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Microsoft's Zune HD steps into the limelight

It appears that all the rumors and pictures from the last month regarding the Zune HD were right. Microsoft last night announced its next generation Zune and it appears that the boys from Redmond are finally ready to start taking the fight to Apple's iPod touch.

The angular device packs a 3.3" 16:9 OLED display with a resolution of just 480 x 272. Thankfully, the touchscreen includes multi-touch which currently resides on such devices as the Apple iPhone, iPod touch, and Palm Pre. The Zune HD also brings with it HD radio and is capable of 720p video-out via HDMI with a docking station.

The only other hardware detail that Microsoft announced was the inclusion of Wi-Fi which has always been a Zune staple. In this case, however, a full-screen multi-touch web browser will also be included (and hopefully an email client and various other internet-based utilities).

Microsoft didn't divulge any information on storage capacities for the new Zune HD, but earlier reports pegged the devices launching in 16GB and 32GB capacities. Hopefully, this isn't the case as Apple is near certain to release its next generation iPod touch early this fall in capacities of up to 64GB which would leave the Zune HD trailing behind.

"The Zune music player is an integral part of the overall Zune experience, and we're proud to be growing and extending our offering beyond the device," said Enrique Rodriguez, corporate vice president of the Microsoft TV, Video and Music Business Group. "Delivering on Microsoft's connected entertainment vision, this news marks a turning point for Zune as it brings cross-platform experiences and premium video content to living rooms around the world."

Microsoft's first and second attempts at taking on Apple with its Zune range didn't do much to challenge the iPod's dominance of the marketplace. However, Microsoft appears to have a real chance of scoring some major points with consumers with the Zune HD -- that is if they can manage to keep storage capacities at a lofty level.

The Zune HD will launch this fall.



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If only
By FITCamaro on 5/27/2009 7:30:53 AM , Rating: 2
They'd make it a phone too.




RE: If only
By vapore0n on 5/27/2009 7:57:13 AM , Rating: 3
well they make the OS for them.

I think they would be better off just selling licenses to multiple companies. Increases their market presence.


RE: If only
By thekdub on 5/27/2009 8:01:32 AM , Rating: 2
I remember seeing a rumor that MS is interested in developing a Zune service for phones, but not necessarily its own hardware. I forget where I saw that though, so take those words with a grain of salt.


RE: If only
By Totally on 5/27/2009 8:08:00 AM , Rating: 3
They'd step on a lot of toes if they did that.

and I think their number one rule is - Don't rock the boat.


RE: If only
By omnicronx on 5/27/2009 8:30:17 AM , Rating: 2
The word on the street is they will, most likely only through a third party such as HTC, but it will be an MS controlled phone. (search for 'Microsoft Pink')

This is the best and only way for them to really enter the market. They need to get right into the CDMA and GSM market right away, and not have to focus on the hardware supporting it.


RE: If only
By omnicronx on 5/27/2009 8:31:22 AM , Rating: 1
Forgot to mention: No carrier support = no phone.. so this is nothing but a rumor until that happens.


RE: If only
By Bender 123 on 5/27/2009 8:47:57 AM , Rating: 3
WinMo is on every network and Microsoft carries a big stick...Don't expect that this wont be anywhere and everywhere by the end of the year. Consider the Zune HD as Microsoft's iPod touch, a platform that parallels the phones, without contract costs and service. The only difference, compared to Apple, is that MS is licensing the OS to OEMs to build the phones and keeping the Zune as a striped down "light" version of the Zune phone OS, in house.

Something tells me this is only the first of a few "big" announcements from MS, in the mobile realm.


RE: If only
By croc on 5/27/2009 6:29:28 PM , Rating: 1
CDMA??? Carriers still use this outdated tech??? Must be some 3rd world backwater...


RE: If only
By Aloonatic on 5/27/2009 9:07:30 AM , Rating: 2
Well, it has wi-fi, so maybe a skype/VOIP type service is not out of the question? Not sure if a mic is included or a head set could be used of course, and it wouldn't work in all that many places but wi-fi hot spots are everywhere these days and in your home too....

It would be great if they could make a cell/mobile phone version.


With an App Store?
By ltcommanderdata on 5/27/2009 7:15:30 AM , Rating: 3
So did they mention anything about an App Store like Apple since that is really a feature more critical than the HD moniker?

And any idea what OS it'll be running. I thought it was mentioned somewhere that it might be a Windows CE variant. Hopefully it'll be much improved.

In any case, Zune HD will be competing against 3rd gen iPod Touch and iPhone OS 3.0, so things might get interesting. The next iPod Touch seems to be focused more on video with an integrated camera and video editing features rather than "HD"-ness.




RE: With an App Store?
By psychobriggsy on 5/27/2009 7:28:04 AM , Rating: 2
So this will be available to buy in the Autumn? September? October? Talk about blowing your load early. At least Apple announce devices that you can go out and buy within a short period.

Still, it means that Apple can't not use OLED in their June/July refresh this year, and that's what competition is all about. I also hope that Apple will sort out the video output from the iPhone/Touch to have more than 480i output - 720p would be good. The new SoC in the iPhone is meant to use a faster Cortex A8 CPU and more RAM, so maybe the integrated graphics are upgraded to support HD resolutions.

So that leaves the digital radio feature as the unique selling point - and in Europe it would have to be DAB or nobody will be interested.


RE: With an App Store?
By omnicronx on 5/27/2009 8:35:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
So that leaves the digital radio feature as the unique selling point
What about wireless sync out of the box? I like the fact that the ipod/iphone has tons of accessories but I can't live without wireless sync. I have a smoke before I go to work in the morning and sync straight from my car.


RE: With an App Store?
By jelifah on 5/27/2009 8:55:59 AM , Rating: 2
++ to Wireless sync.

When the Zune was originally announced I was VERY excited to hear about Wireless sync. But, after seeing the execution was still tied to a computer, ended up being disappointed. In fact I've been itching to get an iPhone/iTouch primarily because of this feature, when my cell contract ends. If the Zune HD can truly deliver on wireless sync they may get my money instead.


RE: With an App Store?
By omnicronx on 5/27/2009 11:22:55 AM , Rating: 2
If you listen to a lot of podcasts like I do, the zune software downloads these automatically and adds them to your queue. So every morning I have something new to listen too without any intervention whatsoever.


RE: With an App Store?
By Natfly on 5/27/2009 11:10:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And any idea what OS it'll be running. I thought it was mentioned somewhere that it might be a Windows CE variant. Hopefully it'll be much improved.


Here's an article from CNet that that says it'll be running a version of Windows CE with a special touch version of IE.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10249364-56.html


Lossless playback
By LRonaldHubbs on 5/27/2009 8:54:28 AM , Rating: 2
I wonder if this generation will actually be able to play WMA Lossless as advertised. The original Zune did, but the last generation (with the squircle touchpad) could not without serious performance issues -- skipping and delayed playback. I returned my Zune120 after a couple days of owning it because of that. With HD in the name, one would hope they've increased the processing power, but I guess we'll find out soon enough.




RE: Lossless playback
By jabber on 5/27/2009 4:14:43 PM , Rating: 2
Hmmmm havent heard of anyone else having issues with lossless on the 80/120's.

Bizarre.

I'm just hoping the new Zune concentrates further on audio quality then useless features I'll never need..like a spirit level?? I hate it when kit is designed to make sure it doesnt look bad on a comparison chart which dilutes and weakens its primary purpose.

Some if us just want a quality, mature and well built music player. Sorry but the iPod and a lot of the others dont fit that bill for me.


RE: Lossless playback
By Jackattak on 5/27/2009 5:46:08 PM , Rating: 2
+1.

My wife has the Zune120 and we use WMA Lossless and she's never had a problem that I know of. Think I'll ask her tonight just to be sure, though.


RE: Lossless playback
By nycromes on 5/28/2009 12:43:34 PM , Rating: 2
I have had no issues with WMA Lossless on my Zune, which is a 120.


RE: Lossless playback
By LRonaldHubbs on 5/28/2009 3:11:41 PM , Rating: 2
I looked into it pretty extensively at the time and did find other users who experienced the same problem with Zune 80s and 120s. Here's one place that I found people talking about it:
http://forum.xcpus.com/ask-gurus/14285-zune-help.h...

It's a matter of bitrate. The player supports WMA lossless, but the manual specs it up to 940kbps. Unfortunately, most of my songs (rock and metal) come out over 1mbps, which is above what the Zune can handle, thus the playback stutters. And really, to say it supports lossless and then to give a max bitrate is a contradiction in itself.

The reason I say it doesn't perform as advertised is because that bit about 940kbps max is only in the manual, not in the same marketing materials/specs that say it supports lossless. And if you check out the Apple support forums, they have similar issues with AAC lossless on the iPods.


No FLAC = No purchase
By ggordonliddy on 5/27/2009 6:06:57 PM , Rating: 2
The Zune team should be put into plastic shredders. They expect us to buy this crap without FLAC support? It wouldn't cost them a penny other than maybe a few days of Dev time, and it would get them a lot more buyers.




RE: No FLAC = No purchase
By Smilin on 5/28/2009 9:19:39 AM , Rating: 2
LOL at joo!

I had to lookup FLAC to even know what you are talking about. "a lot more buyers" indeed hehe. The world doesn't need another (power to the people it's free!) codec.

Yes, put the Zune team in the shredders for not having YAFLC (yet another fvkcing lossless compression) either!


RE: No FLAC = No purchase
By erple2 on 5/28/2009 11:19:33 AM , Rating: 2
Say what you like, but FLAC (and OGG-Vorbis) are the only 2 open source, royalty-free codecs that I know of.

A Lot includes the Linux crowd. Which is how large a percentage of the market?

I suppose you could say that WMA and AAC was more or less yet another codec that we didn't need...


RE: No FLAC = No purchase
By Smilin on 5/28/09, Rating: 0
RE: No FLAC = No purchase
By ggordonliddy on 5/28/2009 8:55:46 PM , Rating: 1
Your ignorance, foolishness, and stupidity are astounding. I'm guessing you are a product of public education. Please cut off your sack and put it in the garbage disposal, then try to grab it and watch as your hand is twisted free from your bloody stump in a poetic finale to your ill-advised state of mind.

You think you have any business commenting in any way on a music player when you don't even know what FLAC is?!!

I fart in your general direction, sir.


RE: No FLAC = No purchase
By ggordonliddy on 5/28/2009 8:59:54 PM , Rating: 1
> Why FLAC when we have OGG-Vorbis?

You must have dementia. Why should I have to reencode all my music? I won't do it, and so MS has lost me as a potential customer. Go away, you horrid pile of poo.


RE: No FLAC = No purchase
By myocardia on 6/2/2009 5:59:05 PM , Rating: 2
I absolutely love how the person who loses an argument is always the one who starts calling names, just like it was in the 3rd grade. BTW, you're the type of customer that the majority of companies on Earth go out of their way to avoid, so I'm sure that MS is rejoicing, not crying, over the loss.


Needs to be cheap
By nafhan on 5/27/2009 8:48:40 AM , Rating: 3
Similar features + same price as ipod = poor sales.

This thing needs to be priced well below that of ipod's of similar capacity to sell well (or have an incredible must have feature that's absent from the ipod).
However, I have a feeling that they will sell it for the same price and be surprised when sales aren't all that great.




RE: Needs to be cheap
By Mitch101 on 5/27/2009 10:15:04 AM , Rating: 2
There is a rumor that the X-Box wireless controllers can be used on the Zune device and that the Zune will work with X-Box Live for downloadable games. Again Rumor but could be interesting if true.


RE: Needs to be cheap
By clovell on 5/27/2009 4:27:40 PM , Rating: 2
Have you seen the Zune marketplace alongside iTunes? If you count that as a 'feature', then it gets some more traction.

Still, this will need to be more affordable than an iPod Touch to really takeoff.


RE: Needs to be cheap
By Smilin on 5/28/2009 9:15:13 AM , Rating: 2
Zune marketplace rocks. You can tell which company writes software and which one makes color coordinated tech accessories.

I don't care if they are priced the same. The Zune is better and this new one especially. What reason do I have to buy an iPod other than so I can have white earbuds like everyone else?

Tagging of HD radio directly on the device will be nice. I hope they add back the EQ too.


am i the only one...
By vulcanproject on 5/27/2009 8:33:28 AM , Rating: 2
...who prefers integration? i want most of this junk on a phone. i gotta carry a phone everywhere anyway, so rather be a fully loaded one than a couple other devices rattling about my pockets. 48GB storage? 64 max? roll on N97...




RE: am i the only one...
By Smilin on 5/27/2009 2:52:24 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not really concerned about integration you usually have to make some sacrifice to get it: less memory, shorter battery, added weight, reduced simplicity, some jackass 3G provider etc.

I don't fault those that prefer it though. It's just not for me.


Here's a thought...
By EnzoFX on 5/27/2009 6:21:32 PM , Rating: 2
DON'T put all your music on it...
Sure, there's no such thing as too much space, but this thing is mobile, do you really think there will ever be a mobile device to carry all your stuff? I'm speaking of course to those that are always complaining, I mean, e.g. you will never fit all your videos...

Regardless, these things are easy to sync. Sync it with what your listening to NOW, you are no way listening to all your music at any given time... Same thing goes for videos... If you really want to carry everything you have, then you must always be on the go, in which case, a laptop would prob be more suitable...

Is the concept of current playlists lost on you?




RE: Here's a thought...
By erple2 on 5/28/2009 11:23:06 AM , Rating: 2
The problem is that making these playlists is hard. And exponentially harder as you fill up more and more music.

Ultimately, however, you're right. Who listens to all of their music any more? I have CD's that I haven't listened to for more than 5 years. I'll probably never listen to them again, other than to muse about how many unlistened to music I have.


Good looking.
By Smilin on 5/27/2009 1:49:43 PM , Rating: 3
It's pretty good looking. I'll give it that.




Xbox Live too
By BPB on 5/27/2009 9:23:30 AM , Rating: 2
Zune Service Expands to New Platform

Zune will be a premium partner in the Xbox LIVE Video Marketplace, bringing an exciting catalog of TV and film to the platform. Zune will occupy the first slot within the Xbox user interface in the Xbox LIVE Video Marketplace, exposing the Zune brand experience to millions of new consumers for the first time. At the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) next week, attendees will see firsthand how Zune integrates into Xbox LIVE to create a game-changing entertainment experience.

Introducing Zune HD

Zune HD is the next iteration of the Zune device family and brings a new level of listening and viewing experiences to the portable media player category.

. Zune HD comes with a built-in HD Radio receiver so users can listen to higher-quality sound than traditional radio on the go. Users also will have access to the additional song and artist data broadcast by HD Radio stations as well as additional channels from their favorite stations multicasting in HD. If you don’t like the song playing on your station’s HD channel, switch to its HD2 or HD3 channels for additional programming.
. The bright OLED touch screen interface allows users to flip through music, movies and other content with ease, and the 16:9 widescreen format display (480x272 resolution) offers a premium viewing experience on the go.
. The HD-compatible output lets Zune HD customers playback supported HD video files from the device through a premium high-definition multimedia interface (HDMI) audiovisual docking station (sold separately) direct to an HD TV in 720p.*
. Zune HD will include a full-screen Internet browser optimized for multitouch functionality.
. Zune HD is Wi-Fi enabled, allowing for instant streaming to the device from the more than 5 million-track Zune music store.

More information on Zune and related images is available at http://www.zune.net/press and http://www.zune.net/ZuneHD




Its not really HD though is it?
By jabber on 5/30/2009 6:43:01 AM , Rating: 2
I wonder if they are on thin ice here.

The screen isnt HD.

The HD radio isnt really high definition. DAB here in the UK is considered low-fi. Plus the hardware is crap and sucks battery life.

It wont do HD video out of the box as it will need a docker (that I'll have to buy separately I assume).

Is it really a good idea to mainly label a product HD when it is only slightly HD when the wind is blowing in the right direction?

I'm a Zune owner and fan but this just seems wrong to me.




ZUNE HD
By ZUNOT on 5/30/2009 7:50:22 PM , Rating: 2
Let's jus hope that it will work fine...zune 120gb is getting a lot of trouble man,! the capacity is to high for the harddrive to hold that resulting to corrupted files...




I want 240GB+ capacities
By segerstein on 5/27/09, Rating: -1
RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By FITCamaro on 5/27/09, Rating: 0
RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By segerstein on 5/27/2009 7:32:32 AM , Rating: 2
You can also use it as a portable disk, to offload pics from your camera, to store&watch videos...


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By thartist on 5/27/2009 6:39:16 PM , Rating: 3
2 things:

you can, but you shouldn't expect it to be a massive storage portable device. it's a portable media player so think of it and use it as such, and after that, use the extra space.

it's much nicer than the photo leaks.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 5/27/2009 7:37:40 AM , Rating: 2
He could have a ton of movies on it too -- I use my iPod touch to watch movies on long plane rides.

However, I couldn't possibly listen to that much music. I've got 222 albums taking up 19.4GB on my 32GB iPod touch 2G and that seems pretty excessive to me :)

It's also why I'm holding out on a 32GB iPhone next month so I'll have room for my music and some videos -- and then be able to go down from two devices (cell phone + iPod touch) to just one.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By TejTrescent on 5/27/2009 7:44:09 AM , Rating: 3
That's my second biggest complaint--if these max out at 32GB, I'll probably just get a Zune 120 instead. I love my Zune 30, but to get my music to fit on it I have to put it on the device at 96kbps tops.

And that leaves enough room to put barely two movies, as well.

My largest complaint is I seem to be the only person who likes physical buttons on devices anymore, sigh. Maybe it's too much to ask to be able to change the song and volume without looking.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By Bender 123 on 5/27/2009 7:56:48 AM , Rating: 3
I think you miss the point with this type of player. I have a Zune 80 and a Touch 16. I actually use them for completely different things. The Zune is great for a media player and portable library of music, the Touch replaces the Lappy 486 for short trips to the folks house or starbucks...It plays media, but I almost treat it more like a small "internet lite" device. The eventual apps and browser will make or break this thing...Same goes for the Zune phones that will be coming.

If these devices have browsers as crappy as WinMo, they will fail...hard...If they have a decent browser and app support, they just might make people pay attention to Zune. I cant wait to see what they offer.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By omnicronx on 5/27/2009 8:41:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If these devices have browsers as crappy as WinMo, they will fail...hard...
Yawn.. While I don't use it yet as it is not quite ready for primetime, PIE 6.0 from Windows Mobile 6.5 RC is looking REALLY good... It already supports flash and other plugins, and has the potential to be quite good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H5yT_PSrpY


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By Mitch101 on 5/27/2009 9:41:08 AM , Rating: 2
I have a Zune 30 and a Sandisk and like you use them for different tasks.

The Sandisk I use for the gym. Its small and has an arm strap. The music on my Sandisk doesn't change that often. I maybe plug it in to add or remove a few songs once a month.

The Zune 30 I do a lot of PodCasts and listen to them when I am at work or in the car. If needed I can put a few movies on it and let the kids use it on longer trips and output the video through the DVD player in the van on the AUX input. But this is standard definition stuff. Between Music, Pictures, Digital Cam Movies, Movies, Podcasts I only use about 20gig.

I guess if your going to do 720P content you need something more than 32gig. I would go for a 64gig unit myself.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By Locutus465 on 5/27/2009 5:08:17 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not so sure I would use it for this purpose, I mean I already have a smart phone for that. But it would be admitingly nice to have a nifty multi-touch gadget like this compatible with my Zune service. So I would have a Zune 8 for the gym (currently owned) then perhaps maybe this gadget just so I can have a meatier zune with nifty capabilities.

Though I do wish they'd offer a version with HDD and higher capacities.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By PrezWeezy on 5/27/2009 7:06:54 PM , Rating: 2
I think it would be good if they put a volume pad like they do on the T-Mobile Dash. Or even a scroll wheel like on some WinMo phones. I agree that physical buttons are awesome and I hate the iPhone/Touch for that exact reason. I want a keyboard with buttons. I have fat fingers with which the iPhone never can seem to understand which letter I'm attempting to type.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By CZroe on 5/28/2009 2:54:03 AM , Rating: 3
Then what you should be demanding is A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile AKA "Stereo Bluetooth") with AVRCP (Audio Video Remote Control Profile). The second-generation iPod touch has it and it will be opened up with the iPhone OS 3.0 software they will be releasing this summer. Honestly, WiFi should have come AFTER A2DP/AVRCP and I was complaining about that when the first Zune launched.

As for higher capacities, we should all be demanding expandable memory. Apple won't do it because fixed capacities and non-serviceable batteries enforce their upgrade cycle.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By smegz on 5/27/2009 1:17:35 PM , Rating: 2
I got my eye on a 32GB iPhone next month too. Like you I got a full 32GB iPod Touch and just can't see myself going backwards in capacity. Be nice if they bumped it to 64GB, but based on their track record, iPod touch will get that bump before the iPhone does.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 5/27/2009 7:22:48 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, I see this happening:

32GB, 16GB iPhone (same price point as current 16GB and 8GB models)
64GB, 32GB, 16GB iPod touch (same price point as current 32GB, 16GB, and 8GB models)


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By StevoLincolnite on 5/27/2009 7:41:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
How does one possibly have that much music unless you have lossless rips direct from CDs.


There are those who have used the 'net since Windows 95 and have been downloading music at a constant steady rate since that time, for instance a friend of mine has over 30 thousand songs which he collected during over a decade, however it's hardly legal.

Plus you can use the devices to store video, or just as a back-up medium like a flash disk.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By franglais on 5/27/2009 7:54:31 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, I too have "a friend" who has about the same amount of music, most likely gotten via the same means ;-)


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By callmeroy on 5/27/2009 12:06:08 PM , Rating: 2
While my "friend" has been using the internet since before the WWW came out, you know just file sharing through BBS systems and FTP. I haven't, I mean my "friend" hasn't collected quite as much but....yeah "he" did store up a lot of "stuff" in that time period.......


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By Leomania on 5/27/2009 1:04:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes, I too have "a friend" who has about the same amount of music, most likely gotten via the same means ;-)
My 80GB player is almost full, and it's not from "that" source. It's a combination of my own CD rips and Rhapsody, which for my monthly subscription payment allows me to keep a variety of material I don't own, but simply license. I couldn't possibly afford owning the amount of music that Rhapsody gives me access to. Between my ~400 CDs ripped to VBR Mp3 and the Rhapsody material in WMA, it adds up.

Admittedly, doubling the amount of music I have on the player would be a bit over the top. But then again I would have thought 80GB would be insane just a couple of years ago.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By LRonaldHubbs on 5/27/2009 8:47:31 AM , Rating: 5
Avast, matey! Yer answer lies right before ye! Are not the intarwebz a glorious source 'o booty? Yo-ho-ho!


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By FITCamaro on 5/27/2009 12:27:34 PM , Rating: 2
Talking like a pirate always makes me smile.

Saw a great little tourist piece of crap over the weekend that you could hang on your door that said, "All who enter must surrender their booty". Would go great on my bedroom door.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By amanojaku on 5/27/09, Rating: 0
RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By adiposity on 5/27/2009 10:54:36 AM , Rating: 5
Hmm, I calculate that you can fit ~1075 CDs (650MB) on 700GB without compression. If you can only fit 10% on there, you must have 10,750 CDs. If you used monkeys audio (lossless audio compression), you could fit 21,500 CDs on there.

quote:
So, yeah, even with lossy compression it's VERY easy to exceed the capacity of today's mobile devices.


If you are using compressing, at 320kbps, you could compress to 20% the size. That means you could fit ~53,750 CDs on your NAS.

Do you have 53,750 CDs? Or is your math really fuzzy?

-Dan


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By adiposity on 5/27/2009 10:55:49 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry, you could fit 5,375 compressed CDs. If that is 10% of your collection, you must have 50,375 CDs.

-Dan


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By Smilin on 5/27/2009 1:45:04 PM , Rating: 2
Which, if you assume 72min CDs and 8 hours a day to sleep means you would have to do nothing but listen to music for 10.35 years continusouly. Assuming 5min to burn a CD would also work out to another 262 days.

What's that smell?

Smell's like shenanigans to me.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By adiposity on 5/27/2009 2:13:17 PM , Rating: 3
Some math corrections...

21,500 should read "2150".
~53,750 should read "~5375".

But if you could fit 2150 or 5375, and only 10% of your collection fits, it means you have 21,500 or 53,750 CDs, approximately.

And this assumes that your CDs are filled to the brim. Most CDs are not 650MB, they are 400 or so. In reality the numbers are probably 30% higher than those I've posted.

Now I ask again, do you really have updwards of 10K CDs are are not compressing at all? Or do you have 50K+ CDs and are compressing at 320kbps?

If you do have 50K+ CDs, do you really consider it "easy" to reach that level of CDs? That's probably half a million dollars at good CD prices!

Even to get ~5000 CDs (about what you can currently fit on your "NAS") would be very expensive ($50k-$100k!). I don't think it's correct to say it's "very easy" to reach this level.

-Dan


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By evalese on 5/27/2009 4:31:59 PM , Rating: 4
If he's recording vinyl, he could have the original recording, cleaned up and split wav files, and mp3s on the same drive. Then you're talking 1GB per album fairly easily. He may be recording in 96KHz or 192KHz. Then you've got huge numbers. You could tear through 700GB quickly.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By omnicronx on 5/27/2009 11:20:24 AM , Rating: 5
Common lets be realistic, it is not VERY easy to do so, it takes years of collecting music in order to come even close to filling a 160GB ipod with compressed music. You say only 10% of your CD's will fit on your 700GB NAS, that means you have ~7000 CD's. How many people fit into that category?

Don't get me wrong, I am also in the thousands when it comes to CD's, but I have been collecting for almost 15 years. The thing is most other people do not fit into this category, you are the minority don't forget that. As a result these kind of products are not going to curtail to you and I, but to the masses.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By callmeroy on 5/27/2009 12:08:34 PM , Rating: 2
Most other people go outside too.... ;)


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By segerstein on 5/27/2009 12:17:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
As a result these kind of products are not going to curtail to you and I, but to the masses.


I use my 160GB iPod as a portable HDD. I even put VMWare's image files on it :-D (2GB split, since 4GB FAT32 limit).

Microsoft should upgrade Zune120 to Zune240. All it takes is to put a different HDD in the case. There are also some people who refurbish iPods to 240GB. But from 160 to 240 is not much of an upgrade.


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By crleap on 5/27/2009 9:19:50 AM , Rating: 1
yeah, some have evolved beyond MP3 lossiness


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By geddarkstorm on 5/27/2009 12:33:42 PM , Rating: 3
Man, think of all the MIDIs I could store...! Coupled with a Yamaha S-YXG50v4 and I'm good to go :D


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By ggordonliddy on 5/27/2009 6:03:28 PM , Rating: 2
What kind of dumb@$$ would not use lossless rips?


RE: I want 240GB+ capacities
By fteoath64 on 5/27/2009 7:44:06 AM , Rating: 2
Toshiba has a 240GB 1.8inch hdd. I would like it to have SDHC slot and USB host port. Forget camera, my digicam takes very nice 720p HD clips, thank you.


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