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Yes, it finally has Wi-Fi

It's hard to believe that it's been nearly five years since the original Xbox 360 launched. The Xbox 360 hit the market a year ahead of the Nintendo Wii and PlayStation 3 and continues to do quite well in the marketplace. Thanks to a relatively healthy stable library of exclusive games and the second-to-none Xbox Live gaming service, gamers keep coming back for more despite years of RROD issues.

Over the years, the Xbox 360 has gone through a number of hardware changes. Advances in manufacturing technologies for GPU and CPU have resulted in smaller, cooler running chips; and HDMI output has made its way to the console. Storage capacities have been bumped, new colors have been added, and special editions have announced.

However, the basic design of the console has remained the same -- until now. Today at E3, Microsoft unveiled a new look for the Xbox 360.

The new Xbox 360 is smaller, sleeker, quieter and comes with an integrated 250GB hard drive (removable) and five USB ports (two in the front, three in the back). And yes folks, it FINALLY has built-in Wi-Fi (802.11n). It will be priced at $299 and will be in stores later this week.

According to Engadget, the current Xbox 360 Elite will drop down to $249 while the Xbox 360 Arcade will fall to $149.

In other Xbox 360 news, Microsoft today officially announced the Kinect accessory which captures full body motion for immersive gaming.

 





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The real big news...
By Spivonious on 6/14/2010 3:40:25 PM , Rating: 5
...Arcade for $150. That's cheaper than the Wii.




RE: The real big news...
By ET on 6/14/2010 4:23:54 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. At this price it's almost a no brainer. Sure it's nicer to have a hard disk, but with the recent added support for USB storage the Arcade sounds like a very good deal, and worth checking out even for those who aren't sure they need a 360.


RE: The real big news...
By Spivonious on 6/14/2010 5:14:48 PM , Rating: 4
Even as a cheap media center extender, this makes the Arcade very attractive.


RE: The real big news...
By SunAngel on 6/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: The real big news...
By Freezebyte on 6/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: The real big news...
By afkrotch on 6/14/2010 9:04:48 PM , Rating: 5
Except, it's not really all that loud, if you don't use the dvd-rom. Which is fine, since it's a media extender. It's playing media off a server.


RE: The real big news...
By SunAngel on 6/15/10, Rating: 0
RE: The real big news...
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 9:19:01 PM , Rating: 2
Unless you're cramming the console into a tight area, it shouldn't have to ever blast the fans that high.


RE: The real big news...
By cditty on 6/14/2010 9:39:54 PM , Rating: 2
Not really, I use one in that matter and I am hard pressed to hear any fan noise from my entertainment center.

There is never a disc in the drive, as I connect to my media center pc.

The arcade is great for that. My Dish Network remote even has a code for it.


RE: The real big news...
By eskimospy on 6/15/2010 12:14:06 AM , Rating: 4
You must not have a 360. When the DVD drive isn't spinning it's very quiet, perfect for a media extender.


RE: The real big news...
By adiposity on 6/15/2010 1:05:40 PM , Rating: 2
I have a Jasper 360, and have installed all games to the hdd, and it's still pretty loud (i.e., I can hear it). Compared to my Wii and PS3, it's audible while they are not.


RE: The real big news...
By Iridium130m on 6/16/2010 10:37:55 AM , Rating: 2
Everybody is right here, the old units were noisy, the new ones are much better:

My original 360 20GB that I've had for 4 years now gets quite loud using it as a media center and playing HD content (fans ramp to near full within 30 seconds of starting an HD channel or recording, no DVD in drive). I've had to relocated the 360 to muffle the noise. When playing non HD content, i wouldn't exactly call it silent either, but it isn't too noticeable.

My 360 Elite that I purchased later (its maybe a year and a half old) though is much quieter and never ramps up like the original with HD content, so Microsoft recognized the issues and has been working on it.

After watching the unwrapping of the slim on Engadget and hearing the new unit, I think Microsoft has the noise issue completely whipped at this point.


RE: The real big news...
By corduroygt on 6/14/2010 9:24:13 PM , Rating: 2
The WDTV Live is a much better extender than the 360, it has no problems with all kinds of mkv files and it's dead quiet and reliable.


RE: The real big news...
By Alpha4 on 6/15/2010 1:17:12 AM , Rating: 2
Hey corduroygt, I'm curious to know if the WDTV can handle 15+ mbps MKV files. Does it have trouble with high resolution media? Thanks.


RE: The real big news...
By Ananke on 6/15/2010 3:25:38 AM , Rating: 2
It handles high bit-rate mkv just fine :) and yes, it works as media extender with 1080p


RE: The real big news...
By mackx on 6/15/2010 3:30:23 AM , Rating: 2
is this right? they've released an update to handle the matroska container?

last i heard they didn't support this and you had to change the container to a vob/mp4 or some such.


RE: The real big news...
By kalak on 6/15/2010 9:25:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
is this right? they've released an update to handle the matroska container?


Yes, it's right. And there's alternative firmwares too: http://b-rad.cc/wdlxtv-live/


RE: The real big news...
By jonmcc33 on 6/15/2010 4:38:15 PM , Rating: 2
The WDTV has been able to handle MKV from the start. I have had one (non-Live version) since December of last year. It works flawlessly on all media types. Best yet, it is small enough to fit in the palm of your hand.


RE: The real big news...
By noirsoft on 6/15/2010 3:50:16 PM , Rating: 2
I've given up on my WD TV Live since it doesn't handle the soft-subs on MKV files properly. It shows only a default font text stream that appears to have notes from the subbers in there half the time instead of actual subtitles.

It also is nearly impossible to find a Wi-Fi adapter that works with it via USB.

I ended up using spare parts to put a Win 7 PC in its place.


RE: The real big news...
By Spivonious on 6/15/2010 1:38:00 PM , Rating: 2
Except that's just a streamer and not an extender. With the XBox 360 you can access the TV tuners in an media center PC.


RE: The real big news...
By Suntan on 6/15/2010 1:45:51 PM , Rating: 2
It is an extender, but with artificially limited capabilities. There are better options available for people that want an extender box for accessing PC DVR capabilities, as well as native playback of DVD/BR rips.

-Suntan


RE: The real big news...
By Donkeyshins on 6/14/2010 5:16:45 PM , Rating: 2
I picked up two 20GB HDDs for my Arcade for $10. Not a lot of space, but great bang for the buck.


RE: The real big news...
By jjmcubed on 6/14/2010 7:06:08 PM , Rating: 3
With this price point I'm very interested in getting one. The hard drives you mention? Can you use any USB hard drive? I held off on getting one as they didn't support anything but the official X Box 360 one.

Can anyone give me information on if I can use an existing hard drive? Will I have to use a new partition or will I need a hard drive exclusively for the X Box. Any info anyone has to point me in the right direction is appreciated.


RE: The real big news...
By DFranch on 6/14/2010 9:01:55 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure "USB storage" refers to flash, not Hard drives. MS still requires you to buy their hard drives.


RE: The real big news...
By jjmcubed on 6/15/2010 6:16:51 AM , Rating: 2
So if I use a 16gb flash I will be OK? Will it need to be dedicated to the 360, or will I be able to use it for other back ups? Should I just not worry about the arcade and get the new SKU(with the hard drive included)? Hate to not use the hard drives I have on hand. Sorry to intrude, but I have searched and haven't been able to find the best info.


RE: The real big news...
By Freezebyte on 6/15/2010 11:12:09 AM , Rating: 2
It will be easier just to have a dedicated flash drive for the 360 rather then going back and forth. There so dirt cheap nowadays, why not?

You can also pick up a used HDD for a better price then new


RE: The real big news...
By monomer on 6/15/2010 1:04:08 PM , Rating: 2
You can use any type of USB storage device, either flash based or HDD, but the maximum space you can use for any given USB storage is capped at 16 GB.


RE: The real big news...
By Freezebyte on 6/15/2010 1:55:22 PM , Rating: 2
Uh no, you can only used flash based USB storage, hence the 16gig limit as well as not exceeding their own 20gig HDD storage option.


RE: The real big news...
By Klober on 6/15/2010 5:59:47 PM , Rating: 2
Are you sure? That's 400GB for $100 when you can get 2TB for $109 from NewEgg. Cheap? Yes. Great bang for the buck? Not so much ;)


RE: The real big news...
By muhahaaha on 6/14/2010 5:28:14 PM , Rating: 2
sweet... a cheap replacement with HDMI for my original production version 360. I assume I can just plug my current Xbox360 HD into it.

It just RROD'd on me this week.

The funny thing is that it was fine the last time I used it, and then a month later, I went to turn it on and it was dead. Weird, you'd think it would die while *in use*. Maybe it got zapped by a power surge, dunno.


RE: The real big news...
By Akrovah on 6/14/2010 5:38:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I assume I can just plug my current Xbox360 HD into it.


Doubtful, considering the huge diference in size and the use of the word "integrated."

It sounds more like it may finally take a standard 2.5 inch drive without the stupid special housing.


RE: The real big news...
By Aikouka on 6/14/2010 5:56:03 PM , Rating: 2
It could be possible to disassemble the old housing and use the drive.

The only thing is that the capacities will most likely vary to the point where it isn't worthwhile to replace it. I have the old 8GB (I think that's the right size) HDD, and I would very much prefer the 250GB size. I'm a bit of a pack rat, so I don't delete demos very often.

There was a data transfer cable that you could use with a new hard drive. I wonder if that also might be possible to use with this XBOX 360 and your old HDD.


RE: The real big news...
By afkrotch on 6/14/2010 7:14:18 PM , Rating: 2
Except that even if you took apart the special housing, stuck in your own 2.5" hdd, it still didn't work.

MS likes to use portions of the platters to tie only their MS branded hdds to the 360. You could mod a diff hdd to work with it, but only specific hard drives worked with the mod and you were still constrained to the largest size hdd MS was selling. So even if you stuck in a 1 TB 2.5" hdd, you were stuck with only 250 gig useable.

I'm assuming that this won't change. You'll have to buy specific MS hdds.


RE: The real big news...
By Hiawa23 on 6/14/2010 9:26:20 PM , Rating: 2
If you have a transfer cable, it's an easy process to transfer data.


RROD?
By Chadder007 on 6/14/2010 3:19:46 PM , Rating: 5
Will it be RROD free?




RE: RROD?
By MeesterNid on 6/14/2010 3:24:20 PM , Rating: 5
No it'll come with several segments of the ring already pre-"redded" for you convenience.


RE: RROD?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/14/2010 3:30:53 PM , Rating: 2
I sure hope so.


RE: RROD?
By dubldwn on 6/14/2010 3:36:58 PM , Rating: 2
I sure hope they get a better wireless card than us PS3 guys. The one in the PS3 BLOWS.


RE: RROD?
By afkrotch on 6/14/2010 7:15:17 PM , Rating: 4
Mine works fine. It's just not 802.11n.


RE: RROD?
By inperfectdarkness on 6/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: RROD?
By piroroadkill on 6/15/2010 4:21:28 AM , Rating: 1
Look at the pre-production leak boards. It had a retarded huge coolermaster hsf on the SINGLE integrated chip, no longer is it stuck under the DVD drive, getting hotter and hotter.

On the new 360 design, there are a set of massive cooling slots above exactly where this hsf would be.

Direct fresh air intake down onto a large heatsink would almost certainly solve all these problems


RE: RROD?
By Taft12 on 6/15/2010 10:56:17 AM , Rating: 1
Besides the design improvements, the smaller production process compared to early-gen 360's should make RROD a thing of the past (can't believe the RROD cheap shots get rated up so quickly here)


RE: RROD?
By inperfectdarkness on 6/15/2010 12:36:52 PM , Rating: 2
why not? RROD could have been prevented (or at least cut way, way down). comments poking fun of it are no different than comments about yellowing apple screens & overheated macintoshes.

don't let your MS fanboyism blind you to the logic behind popular opinion; if a company screws up something preventable--they deserve ridicule.


RE: RROD?
By larson0699 on 6/16/2010 2:23:39 PM , Rating: 2
It's not fanboyism. It's old news, totally unfunny and uninteresting by now, and it should be downrated the same as anyone still bashing Vista. You don't reward someone for accomplishing nothing, especially considering that their most serious efforts wouldn't be even remotely as functional as the launch 360.

I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, but their quality control issues are no Deepwater Horizon. They eventually came around and I'm thankful for that. If I'm to walk the namedropping tightropes, I'd might as well call you a hypocrite if you drive a Ford truck or a Toyota that was recalled. It doesn't hurt to afford everyone a reasonable margin of error, especially in this instance where the company owned up and absorbed some hefty costs to keep their customers.

Be fair or be quiet.


RE: RROD?
By inperfectdarkness on 6/16/2010 3:28:18 PM , Rating: 2
1. 33%+ failure rate is not an "acceptable margin of error".

2. microsoft's "most serious efforts" should be taken with several lbs of salt before being lauded; after all, we're talking about a company that has significantly more free capital to work with than nintendo. microsoft has proven itself willing to burn money by the bushel in an unrelenting pursuit of whatever operation it wishes to muscle itself into. just look at the marketing surrounding halo 3 vs. the marketing surrounding super mario galaxy 2.

3. owning up and absorbing costs isn't "responsible"; it's mandatory (or at least i consider it to be thus). everything has recalls. my wii had a recall. my car had a transfer case recall. my washing machine had a computer recall. these are normal; acceptable. having a product failure so rampant that vendors refuse to offer ESP's on your product; that's irresponsible.


RE: RROD?
By Newspapercrane on 6/17/2010 5:44:35 AM , Rating: 2
I would be interested in seeing some stats which count only the current iteration of the 360 hardware. I would also be interested in the failure rates of the 360 overall (launch until present.)


RE: RROD?
By chromal on 6/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: RROD?
By DFranch on 6/14/2010 9:08:20 PM , Rating: 2
All Xbox's have green LEDs. The RED LED shows when there is a problem.


RE: RROD?
By brokenaxiom on 6/14/2010 10:00:14 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, the Xbox 360 will no longer have RROD because they completely changed the design of the CPU and GPU. On this machine's new Valhalla chipset, the GPU/CPU have been merged into one chip with a single cooling solution. In 2012, the chip will again receive a die shrink and be ported over to the new Xbox. This means hardware backwards compatibility with the 360 unlike certain other consoles.


RE: RROD?
By afkrotch on 6/14/2010 11:28:37 PM , Rating: 2
You mean like the 360 that doesn't have hardware compatibility with the original Xbox? or the Wii? Or some version of the PS3?


RE: RROD?
By Veerappan on 6/15/2010 9:54:03 AM , Rating: 3
Correction: The Wii is backwards compatible to the Gamecube. I've played several GC games using a Wavebird controller + GC memory card multiple times in the past, and will continue to do so.


RE: RROD?
By adiposity on 6/15/2010 1:10:31 PM , Rating: 3
Correct. The Wii is close to 100% compatible with Gamecube as it is essentially an upgraded gamecube. It even has (two?) ports for the old gamecube controllers. I used it for a while when the Wii first came out, but since there weren't that many good games for Gamecube, nobody really cared.


RE: RROD?
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 9:21:51 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, it's backwards compatible, but it doesn't have the GC innards to do such. It's all software. Just like the 360 for some of their games. PS3 had PS2 innards, til they went to software BC, then just completely got rid of it.


RE: RROD?
By adiposity on 6/15/2010 1:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This means hardware backwards compatibility with the 360 unlike certain other consoles.


The 360 itself is not really backwards compatible. I assume you are trying to take a dig at the PS3 here, but it's kind of pointless to compare a theoretical future spec with a current spec.

There's nothing from stopping the PS3 or Wii from including their chips in the next gen consoles for 100% backwards compatibility. If Sony learned anything from this gen, it's that a minor upgrade is a better idea than an ambitious one, so PS4 may be a 50% better PS3, for all we know. Same goes for next-gen Wii.


RE: RROD?
By brokenaxiom on 6/15/2010 6:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I assume you are trying to take a dig at the PS3 here


To have a console sell over 100 million units and then break backwards compatibility with the next generation is beyond reproach.

quote:
ut it's kind of pointless to compare a theoretical future spec with a current spec.


Actually not in this case because the PS3 will be in market as Sony's primary console until 2015. Thus the next generation Xbox will be competing with the PS3.

quote:
If Sony learned anything from this gen, it's that a minor upgrade is a better idea than an ambitious one, so PS4 may be a 50% better PS3, for all we know. Same goes for next-gen Wii.


This isn't true at all. The current consoles are outclassed by PC graphics at ever single level, which is causing a disconnect between PC developers and console ports. This leads to uncomfortable design decisions for game engines that lead to lower quality graphics and physics.

Sony didn't learn their machine was "too powerful" they learned that it didn't fit the market's balance with its PC counterpart until recently. Now they are making a profit and also won the format war against HD-DVD.

Microsoft- on the other hand- didn't care about the console as much as they correctly cared about the online platform. Xbox live is console independent, which means there isn't any pain in upgrading consoles to the next Xbox. The Valhalla chipset follows the philosophy by ensuring total backwards compatibility without consideration to the new hardware.

Eventually, the rabbit hole leads to their 2012 next gen console having ATI 6000 series graphics paired with some form of eight core processor, and 802.11n Wi-fi. Most likely with two price tiers, one elite model with kinect and one non-kinect model. Expect USB3 as the standard and a SSD.


RE: RROD?
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 9:52:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This isn't true at all. The current consoles are outclassed by PC graphics at ever single level, which is causing a disconnect between PC developers and console ports. This leads to uncomfortable design decisions for game engines that lead to lower quality graphics and physics.


Everyone's designing around consoles nowadays and porting to PCs.

quote:
Sony didn't learn their machine was "too powerful" they learned that it didn't fit the market's balance with its PC counterpart until recently. Now they are making a profit and also won the format war against HD-DVD.


Whe has consoles ever been balanced with their PC counterparts? They were higher spec'd then PCs when they weren't released, then whey they did release, PCs already eclipsed them.

quote:
Microsoft- on the other hand- didn't care about the console as much as they correctly cared about the online platform. Xbox live is console independent, which means there isn't any pain in upgrading consoles to the next Xbox. The Valhalla chipset follows the philosophy by ensuring total backwards compatibility without consideration to the new hardware.


Yes, that's why there was a completely different Xbox Live for the Original Xbox, which has gone offline recently.

Of course Valhalla isn't going to change much. It's just a freaking die shrink and placing the cpu/gpu together. It's not a new upgrade, it's not the next generation Xbox, it's the same exactly crap in different form.

quote:
Eventually, the rabbit hole leads to their 2012 next gen console having ATI 6000 series graphics paired with some form of eight core processor, and 802.11n Wi-fi. Most likely with two price tiers, one elite model with kinect and one non-kinect model. Expect USB3 as the standard and a SSD.


MS is going to be the same as Sony. They are going to milk their console as long as they can. I guarantee you, they'll wait until Sony gives a date for release of a PS4, before we see any kind of new Xbox 720 get announced. Then it'll come out a year before the PS4 gets released.


RE: RROD?
By corduroygt on 6/15/2010 2:24:06 PM , Rating: 2
CPU/GPU/Edram haven't merged into a single chip, that would require costly chip redesign/validation/testing. They just stuck the 3 dies inside the same package.


RE: RROD?
By brokenaxiom on 6/15/2010 6:22:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
CPU/GPU/Edram haven't merged into a single chip, that would require costly chip redesign/validation/testing. They just stuck the 3 dies inside the same package.


This very process is already underway. It's actually much cheaper than you think. The final version of the Xbox 360 will be released in 2011 with the new chip and be similar to the PS2 slim in size. The goal for this cycle was to test the integrated Wi-Fi, the new cooling solution, and handle the kinect transition. The next year goal will be to smooth out any issues with the new-very low cost-chip before it's ported to the 2012 next gen Xbox.


RE: RROD?
By iFX on 6/16/2010 5:30:12 PM , Rating: 2
Doubt it.


Return label
By bobcpg on 6/14/2010 3:36:56 PM , Rating: 5
They should just ship them with 2 UPS return labels included




RE: Return label
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/14/2010 3:39:38 PM , Rating: 4
That's what I needed for my Xbox 360. It RROD'd on me twice. I had to send it for repairs twice. After I got it back the second time, I sold it and bought a PS3 and haven't had a single problem out of it.


RE: Return label
By VahnTitrio on 6/14/2010 4:13:19 PM , Rating: 3
Mine also RRoD'd twice. However, the second time it came back it happened to be a brand new 360. The newer one has been flawless for quite some time. The old one was one of the originals that just flat out had too many problems. Perhaps you just didn't do enough damage to receive a new one.

MS isn't going to take that sort of losses on the warranty again. I guarantee this went through more reliability testing than the original. They've surely had enough returns to have determined all the common failure modes and they would be stupid not to address each of the failure modes in this new design.


RE: Return label
By Phoque on 6/14/2010 7:55:18 PM , Rating: 2
I have a PS3, the 40Gb model. The optical drive failed me after two years. I sent it back for repair at a cost of =~ 150 CAN$. When I received back my unit, it was so offensively noisy that I had to return it a second time. This second one they sent me back was still noisier than my original PS3, but tolerable. They confirmed me over the phone that the initial problem was not heat related, so I wonder why they cranked up the fan in the refurbished units.


RE: Return label
By afkrotch on 6/14/2010 9:06:26 PM , Rating: 1
Wow, 2 years after you bought it. That's pretty amazing. Much better than the 1 month I got out of my 360. Or the 1 month out of my 2nd 360. Or the 3 months out of my 3rd 360. I'm currently on my 4th and 6th 360. I sold off my 5th 360, when I bought a 250 gig FFXIII 360.


RE: Return label
By callmeroy on 6/15/2010 8:36:29 AM , Rating: 2
Wait you are on your 6th (12345...6) 360?

I still only have an original Xbox, I held off for a long time with the 360 because of horror stories (like yours)...I didn't want to deal with the RROD crap - I have very low tolerance for that kind of stuff when I'm dropping several hundreds of dollars on a product.

I don't know whether to admire your disclipline in keeping on MS to constantly repair your 360 or if I should make fun of you for being so obsessed with playing your 360 games that you keep dumping cash on the console that keeps failing you....

Me I would have given up and just sold off my games and washed my hands of it...

I will need to think some more and hear more reviews of the new 360 , but "maybe" I'll grab one...finally...


RE: Return label
By theapparition on 6/15/2010 10:04:01 AM , Rating: 2
No he's on his 4th (if that makes the situation any better).

Apparently he bought anonther (fifth) then sold it to buy his sixth.

FWIW, we have two and never an issue with either. I don't use mine that often, but the kids get plenty of use out of thiers.


RE: Return label
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 9:57:03 PM , Rating: 2
My 4th, 5th, and 6th 360s are based off of Jasper and they seem to be doing well. I got rid of my 5th 360, as I wanted the 250 gig 360. So I'm now running my 4th 360 (Japanese version) and 6th 360 (US version).

Also, I have yet to try to contact MS on repair. I just go out and buy a whole new console. I still have the other 360s, which I'm modding and will be fixing the RROD issue.

My two PS3s from release are humming along fine.


RE: Return label
By JonnyDough on 6/14/10, Rating: 0
Xbox 720
By Lazarus Dark on 6/14/2010 9:42:10 PM , Rating: 2
I want news about the next gen. From all THREE console makers. We're going on five years for the 360 now, it's time to move up. We need full 1080p120hz 3d and hopefully even multimonitor support now. PC graphics can't fully utilize new hardware because the developers are developing for the lowest common denominator. Cmon, 5 years is plenty, we need a new gen next year!




RE: Xbox 720
By Lord 666 on 6/15/2010 9:19:51 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed, I still firmly believe there is a truly new console coming out sooner than later.

November is going to be a huge month for Xbox; Halo Reach, Black Ops, and Natal. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a surpise release of new hardware.


RE: Xbox 720
By Hiawa23 on 6/15/2010 9:28:42 AM , Rating: 3
I want news about the next gen. From all THREE console makers.

Not me, especially in this bad economy. Maybe Nintendo needs to release more powerful hardware but as far as I am concerned, It wouldn't make any sense for Sony or MS to launch new platforms, especially given they probably haven't made much on the current consoles, the enormous amount of capital needed to launch, plus I think both consoles have plenty of life. I own 80 360 games, 15 PS3 games, so I am absolutely loving this gen. Will get the slim this week, so I should be well covered.

If the consoles are not as powerful as you need then maybe the PC might better suit your needs, but for alot of us, console only gamers, the PS3 & 360 are fantastic, 4-5 years into this gen, & the longer this gen goes the better.


RE: Xbox 720
By larson0699 on 6/16/2010 1:31:06 PM , Rating: 2
What?

Actually, the longer this generation runs, the worse for the games (and subsequently us), especially the majority of titles which are developed for the console and ported to PC.

It's not an issue if Microsoft hasn't made much from selling 40 million consoles -- they've profited immensely from software and accessories in the last 4½ years and by this point surpassed sales of original Xbox merch almost twofold. Who says there isn't a place in the market for new hardware?

Since so many others are quick to draw comparison to the slim PS2, I'd started thinking about the recent DSi XL launch -- 5½ years into that platform and Nintendo decided to beef up the screens about a year before the launch of their next-gen handheld. It's strategic. Buy and buy again.

If Microsoft pulled a similar move, I'd expect the next Xbox to be natively compatible with all of the 360's titles and continue LIVE in its current iteration (simply wasn't feasible last time around) and no one would be left in the dark. That Microsoft has reduced their current line to one SKU suggests to me that their production dollars are being diverted elsewhere, and if it means they're once again the first to the punch, it could mean another healthy head start for them and another strong market for us. But I can only speculate.

But new hardware or no, it isn't likely that the 360 will taper off as quickly as the original did. I only wish that they'd designed the Xbox to incorporate into future consoles more easily. I'm only a fan of emulation when a PC is the host.


RE: Xbox 720
By brokenaxiom on 6/16/2010 9:10:37 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft is currently leading the console pack in the online platform sphere and will have total hardware dominance in 2012. Id tech 5 will run on the next Xbox and Doom 4 will be an Xbox exclusive release. Just watch E3 in 2011. We will see an oh so sexy new Xbox sitting up there looking fine.


RE: Xbox 720
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 9:58:48 PM , Rating: 2
Did you just say Id? They are a crap company. Doom 3 and Quake 4 sucked ass and that whole stupid engine failed. Hence why pretty much everything runs off the Unreal Engine.

Hope Carmack gets hit by a car.


RE: Xbox 720
By brokenaxiom on 6/16/2010 10:51:15 PM , Rating: 2
have you seen the specs on Id tech 5?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Tech_5

It's the first in a very new age of FPS engines


RE: Xbox 720
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 11:41:59 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, because reading a spec sheet is going to tell me exactly how awesome a game engine is going to be. Remember the awesome specs of the Crysis engine? How'd that work out?


RE: Xbox 720
By ScotterQX6700 on 6/15/2010 12:12:06 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, multi-monitor(or TV) support, please!


I Thought That
By room200 on 6/14/2010 7:24:40 PM , Rating: 2
as the machine shrunk, costs of making the machine decreased, etc. that prices were supposed to drop on the newer unit? Didn't that happen with the slim version of the Ps2?




RE: I Thought That
By Devo2007 on 6/14/2010 8:17:12 PM , Rating: 2
Considering you are getting built-in Wi-Fi + a 250GB hard drive for the price of the original Elite model, I'd say the price was effectively reduced. The Wi-Fi adapter on its own would add $100 to the price, and the hard drive boost would have added a reasonable amount too (given how much Microsoft gouges on hard drive pricing).


RE: I Thought That
By Taft12 on 6/15/2010 10:59:46 AM , Rating: 1
The price was not effectively reduced.

The Wi-fi and large HDD DO NOT add $99 and $129 to the value of this new unit unless you are a serious drinker of MS Kool-aid :(


RE: I Thought That
By Hiawa23 on 6/15/2010 9:42:09 AM , Rating: 2
as the machine shrunk, costs of making the machine decreased, etc. that prices were supposed to drop on the newer unit? Didn't that happen with the slim version of the Ps2?

Well this is not the PS2, & I am not sure if they added features into the PS2 box like MS did here. Honestly, it really doesn't matter what they did with PS2, either you are like many of us who think this is a good value given what the pieces cost separate or you don't. The price is set & for anyone who doesn't need this but looking for a 360, MS has cut $50 off of existing models, or just the $199 model making it $150. Good deal to me.


RE: I Thought That
By room200 on 6/15/2010 10:33:28 AM , Rating: 2
Calm down. I know what machine this is, and even when "new" features are added to machines the prices continue to drop. This machine is over 5 years old; it would be expected that there would be a lower cost given the fact that Microsoft now knows how to make the machine cheaper.


RE: I Thought That
By larson0699 on 6/16/2010 12:58:28 PM , Rating: 2
Xbox 360 was released at the end of '05 which makes it over four years old, but I'm splitting hairs.

Consider that the original model had a hard drive 12 times smaller and no WiFi, and that retailed for $100 more than this one. The new chassis is a byproduct of R&D, plus the integrated WiFi and larger HDD -- I'd call $300 fair, especially when it still costs about twice as much to build a PC to similar spec.

Or pick up an Arcade for $150 or buy used.


Ports
By Aikouka on 6/14/2010 4:20:18 PM , Rating: 2
What is that port above the Ethernet port? On my current XBOX 360, the port above the Ethernet port is USB, but on this unit, those are to the right. The label beside it looks like it says "AUX".




RE: Ports
By smackababy on 6/14/2010 4:44:05 PM , Rating: 1
1394 port


RE: Ports
By larson0699 on 6/14/2010 4:59:26 PM , Rating: 2
It isn't 1394. See _Kinect_.


RE: Ports
By Devo2007 on 6/14/2010 5:32:42 PM , Rating: 2
It's a custom port to provide data and power to the Kinect peripheral. Users of the Original XBox 360 will have to plug in a USB cable and a separate power adapter.


RE: Ports
By Aikouka on 6/14/2010 5:58:02 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the clarification!

If Kinect is any good, then the new XBOX 360 might have some slight extra value simply for using less cables. I'm still trying to phase out all of my old HD-DVDs so I can unhook the HD-DVD drive.


Damn
By clovell on 6/15/2010 12:20:08 PM , Rating: 2
Now I've a decision to make - my 360 Elite bit the dust on Monday - no video output (runs fine, otherwise...). Had the same problem a couple months back, but I took it apart and reseated the heatsinks with llama's kit. Was planning on replacing it with an Arcade, which is even more attractive at $150, but 45nm design, whisper-quiet, and Wi-Fi are enticing. I really don't care much about the hard drive - 120 GB has suited me fine. But, still... do I spring for the extra $150 and get it? The Wi-Fi is killing me because I know once I move I'll probably need it.




RE: Damn
By Hiawa23 on 6/15/2010 1:03:55 PM , Rating: 2
Was planning on replacing it with an Arcade, which is even more attractive at $150, but 45nm design, whisper-quiet, and Wi-Fi are enticing. I really don't care much about the hard drive - 120 GB has suited me fine. But, still... do I spring for the extra $150 and get it? The Wi-Fi is killing me because I know once I move I'll probably need it.

I agree with you, I was just at Best Buy, & I think I may get the $150 Arcade as that price is lower than a Wii. I already have a 250GB HDD on my launch model but I need HDMI. I may just get the $150 model instead. Do I spend $150 or $300 just for shiny black, don't really need WiFi, as my PS3 & 360 sits next to my PC.


RE: Damn
By Freezebyte on 6/15/2010 1:58:49 PM , Rating: 2
Considering that the 250gig drive alone is $130 and the .11N wireless adpater is $100 as well, that was justification enough for me to trade in my "old" elite for credit for the new model at Gamestop yesterday. Can't wait!


RE: Damn
By clovell on 6/16/2010 6:18:54 PM , Rating: 2
Just an update - I picked up an Arcade at Target last night for $150 --- PLUS I got a $50 Target Gift Card with the purchase. Pretty sweet deal.

I decided against the slim version after I talked to the guy at GameStop and he told me about the demand vs. availability issues.

Considering that I've been thinking hard about getting a second controller, I really got away with a Jasper upgrade/replacement for $50.

Not too shabby.


Gonna laugh
By afkrotch on 6/14/2010 7:20:53 PM , Rating: 1
I'm so going to laugh, if the case shrinks in size, but the power brick doubles in size also.

Where's the pics of the stupid gigantic power brick? Did that get any smaller?




RE: Gonna laugh
By afkrotch on 6/14/2010 9:07:42 PM , Rating: 2
I just saw a pic of the power brick. Looks to be 1/2 the size now. That's nice, but still big for my tastes. Could it not shrink it down further, to like the size of a laptop style power brick.


RE: Gonna laugh
By Freezebyte on 6/14/2010 9:39:28 PM , Rating: 3
A console designed around home gaming for $300 is gonna use alot more power then a slim, portable laptop that costs $600+, thats just a fact of technology and use differences


RE: Gonna laugh
By afkrotch on 6/14/2010 11:26:45 PM , Rating: 1
Remember the days of desktop P4s in a laptop chassis. Those still had smaller power bricks and those things sucked a lot of juice.


My "old" Elite 360
By Freezebyte on 6/14/2010 3:50:57 PM , Rating: 1
Is gonna be traded into Gamestop today as we speak for this. I want it, now!!!




RE: My "old" Elite 360
By Freezebyte on 6/14/2010 6:41:32 PM , Rating: 2
Just got back from trading in my elite and I got $140 store credit plus an extra $25 for reserving my new 360 system, woo!! And it comes out before my birthday also! I'm having a great geek day along with all the other E3 news!


RE: My "old" Elite 360
By afkrotch on 6/14/10, Rating: -1
RE: My "old" Elite 360
By Freezebyte on 6/14/2010 9:05:10 PM , Rating: 2
Meh, I have no patience and god knows how long it woulda taken to sell on Ebay anyway.

Life short, play hard.


RE: My "old" Elite 360
By afkrotch on 6/14/2010 9:57:10 PM , Rating: 2
Gamestop is a horrible place to trade in anything, they rip off ppl so much. I'm surprised ppl still bother. You get better money at some pawn shops.


Data transfer
By Freezebyte on 6/14/2010 3:54:53 PM , Rating: 2
Can you move your data from the "old" 360 to this new one? I've got a 120gig elite that has got alot of stuff I don't wanna have to redownload.




RE: Data transfer
By Smilin on 6/14/2010 4:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
Check XBL forums. I thought there was a post about how to do this.


RE: Data transfer
By umop apisdn on 6/15/2010 7:41:36 AM , Rating: 2
Yes you can. You need the transfer cable however. It is NOT included in the box. The software is built into one of the latest dash updates, so the DVD is unnecessary.


New Specs.......
By jahwarrior on 6/14/2010 5:16:28 PM , Rating: 2
Hoorah a black shiny case for $299!, how about a new Xbox with better specs?, it seems Microsoft is learning a thing or two from apple..




RE: New Specs.......
By ClownPuncher on 6/14/2010 7:10:06 PM , Rating: 2
If they improved performance specs, rendering frames with less of an upscale...people would realize just how underperforming and bad current gen consoles really are. PC sales would spike.


RE: New Specs.......
By Taft12 on 6/15/2010 11:03:02 AM , Rating: 2
They did improve the specs:
-Integrated Wifi
-larger HD
-smaller footprint
-smaller power brick
-quieter cooling fans (hallelujah!)


Free Wi-Fi
By phatboye on 6/14/2010 5:46:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And yes folks, it FINALLY has built-in Wi-Fi.

802.11g or 802.11n?




RE: Free Wi-Fi
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/14/2010 5:48:30 PM , Rating: 3
802.11n


Oh, thank heavens.
By larson0699 on 6/14/2010 5:20:34 PM , Rating: 2
It isn't mentioned above, but this revision includes the unified CPU/GPU previously referred to on the roadmap as "Valhalla". Might there be a small improvement in latency, or is there still a bus between the two?

As with Jasper, I expect AT will run an article to outline the less obvious differences -- I'm personally interested in the power figures.




RE: Oh, thank heavens.
By brokenaxiom on 6/16/2010 9:17:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It isn't mentioned above, but this revision includes the unified CPU/GPU previously referred to on the roadmap as "Valhalla". Might there be a small improvement in latency, or is there still a bus between the two?


You are correct in your assumption that this release is the famed Valhalla model. And yes there is still a bus between all three chips. This iteration simply unifies the cooling solution to solve RROD caused by the bad solder and substantially reduce noise. The next model will actually be a single chip solution fabbed on IBM's 45nm process- similar to the Power7 series. With the much lower power consumption, expect an integrated power supply and an even smaller case.


ugly as hell
By hexxthalion on 6/15/2010 8:41:31 AM , Rating: 2
that's really really ugly console - wouldn't like to have it in my living room




RE: ugly as hell
By larson0699 on 6/16/2010 1:48:16 PM , Rating: 2
Then don't buy it.

Most of us aren't looking at our consoles while playing games. We sometimes put things away when we're done with them (kids anyone?) or simply don't pay mind to the appearance of our CE (aside from phones, since it's a law that they have to look cooler than they function).

Seriously. I've got a big(ger-than-HTPC) ugly cable box on top of an even uglier 1987 cabinet TV, but that doesn't mean I'm embarrassed to view it. It works like new in all its coaxial/480i glory.

If I really cared enough about this design to want to change it, I'd probably sand off the gloss, but I'll be too busy with more pressing matters. Take it or leave it.


Updated info
By Freezebyte on 6/14/2010 9:36:09 PM , Rating: 3
Thanks to engadget hands on unboxing we have more info:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/14/xbox-360-250gb-...

1. No HDMI cable included *lame MS*
2. HDD transfer cable WILL WORK with new HDD
3. HDD transfer cable available for retail sale for $20




lost hand?
By LivingDedBoy on 6/14/2010 3:35:37 PM , Rating: 2
Is it just me or does it look like someone lost their hand in the first pic?




ugh.
By NuclearDelta on 6/14/2010 4:33:34 PM , Rating: 2
I hope the person that suggested shiny black should be on every other piece of electronic device is hung over a cliff edge by their eye lashes.

:P




Ugly
By deeznuts on 6/14/2010 6:26:51 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like a shrunken alienware case or something. I'll stick with my elite for now.




I love it!!!!
By Hiawa23 on 6/14/2010 9:24:57 PM , Rating: 2
I got a 11/2/05 launch model with a 250 GB HDD, but I am getting me a slim this week. Been waiting to see it, & I am impressed. Sad my launch model doesn't have HDMI which is what I need, so I am sold.




They did good
By Jeff7181 on 6/15/2010 9:47:39 AM , Rating: 2
I was expecting to hear the wireless adapter was 802.11g... I saw 802.11n and thought wow, they did good! I really wish they had modified it so you could use any 2.5 inch hard drive, that would have been a good "we're not a greedy monopolistic company" gesture.




Meh...
By cyyc009 on 6/15/2010 2:47:45 PM , Rating: 2
I wont be buying it. Ive already sold the 360 i already had, and honestly it is just the same thing with only new stuff that it should have had the first time it released. Personally i am looking forward to onlivw.com this might change the gameing industry now that high performance PC's are not required. Who knows maybe onlive will have virtual console games and only a USB controller will be required?




By callmeroy on 6/16/2010 1:17:38 PM , Rating: 2
(btw I forget if I made this post here already or not, so if I did just ignore it -- I'm going insane)

Well i've never had a 360 , the issues with the RROD turned me off for a while...but this unit might have removed all excuses for me not to get one now.

So my question to you xbox 360 gamers....what are some "must have" titles for the 360, if I get it I'd like to pick up at least 2 games with it.

If you need to know what kinds of games I like -- sports (baseball, hockey, football only though), driving games and shooters mainly....I like RPG games but I don't think Xbox has any good ones.




360 - still eats DISCS when moved
By Belard on 6/16/2010 3:54:27 PM , Rating: 2
There are already videos on the net, moving the new 360 - even for a second or so will cause the system to destroy the spinning disc.

Of course... DON'T MOVE the console.

PS3 = not a problem as are most other players... That 25cents MS saves means you could lose $50~200 in damaged discs.




looks sleek
By tdktank59 on 6/14/10, Rating: 0
“Then they pop up and say ‘Hello, surprise! Give us your money or we will shut you down!' Screw them. Seriously, screw them. You can quote me on that.” -- Newegg Chief Legal Officer Lee Cheng referencing patent trolls













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