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Mother and son aren't big Mac fans, same as their Laptop Hunter predecessors, Lauren and Giampaolo.  (Source: YouTube)

A Best Buy employee helps young Jackson explore the Sony Vaio.  (Source: YouTube)

Lisa is really excited to get her extra money.  (Source: YouTube)
This time Microsoft is going for the moms

First there was Lauren, the redhead who picked an HP over a MacBook and stole millions of internet users' hearts.  Then there was Giampaolo, a young engineer who picked an HP over a MacBook Pro due to the high cost.  Together the pair have kicked off Microsoft's new anti-Apple commercial segment, that looks to hit Apple where it hurts -- its high prices.

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer led off the attack several weeks ago blasting Apple, saying that its customers are paying $500 for a logo.  Now Microsoft is airing the third in its popular series of Laptop Hunters commercials -- and this time it's going for the moms.

Crispin Porter+Bogusky hands Lisa $1,500 to find a new computer, searching at their local Best Buy.  She ends up perusing the store with her son Jackson.  She peeks at the Apple computers and while she comments that "they are pretty" her son Jackson is not a big fan, stating that they are "a little small."  Lisa also comments, "These are way more money dude!"

Mother and son also peek at HP computers and others, but surprisingly don't pick an HP, like the previous two Laptop Hunter commercials (so much for brand favoritism theories).  Lisa ends up instead finding a Sony VAIO FW with Blu-Ray and a big screen.  Jackson is content.

Assuming the laptop they picked was the base model Best Buy carries (special options typically require an order), it retails for approximately $899 and has middle-of-the-road specs.  It comes with a middle-of-the-road Intel T6400 Core 2 Duo processor, a relatively underpowered Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD graphics, and 4 GB RAM.  The screen is an XBRITE-HiColor 16.4" 1600 x 900 display.  The whole thing is slightly heavy, weighing in at 6.83 lb.  The battery life is approximately 2 hrs and 45 min, according to reviews.

The mom pockets a couple hundred dollars and the traditional "Congratulations, <insert name> its a PC." rolls. 

In all reception of the new commercial among the tech community seems to be slightly better than the second commercial, though still falling short of the first.  Overall, her computer, like the HPs, is not true 1080p, but it does have the advantage of Blu-Ray (though the processor and graphics are weak).  However, some are calling the Microsoft's attacks increasingly tired and not direct enough.  Writes CrunchGear, "Adding commentary to these things is getting fairly tedious. The Mac attack wasn’t very egregious..."

However, given how long Apple has run its own attack ads, it only seems fair to give Microsoft some time to respond in kind.  Ultimately the commercials prove an amusing distraction, though though the latest two have been overshadowed by the popularity of the initial installment.

You can check out the ad for yourself here.


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AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By Mitch101 on 4/10/2009 9:54:21 AM , Rating: 5
AT&T runs the best Apple commercials. They show you how cool the iPhone is and how easy it is to use. Granted its not as fast ad the commercial implied because time is money but I get it. Its cool. I like it.

Apple's commercials are just smear campaigns calling you stupid for buying a PC but never showing you what makes Apple a better choice over the PC. So to all the Apple fanbois who are angry about the Microsoft PC commercials don't get mad with Microsoft get mad with Apple for not showing People why or what justifies the price of an Apple. This is why the Apple commercials are like watching a dirty politician commercial. All smear no substance.




RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By cmdrdredd on 4/10/2009 10:43:57 AM , Rating: 4
It's true. Apple doesn't know how to advertise to people very well. They have catchy names and shiny boxes but never explain WHY it's better than everything else according to them. They just say things like "think different" "it just works". Well, my PC which I built (can't build a mac, but you can install OSX on a PC which is close since Apple uses all PC parts now) and it just works. Wow... It makes me laugh every time I see some Apple fan telling me how much easier it is to use a Mac. Actually I get MORE IT related questions about MAC OS than I do about Windows. People just seem to get it when it comes to using Windows vs their Mac counterparts.

It's funny, didn't Apple always say that the PPC CPU they used for years was "2x faster than the Intel chip in a PC"? Yet now look at this, they use Intel CPUs.


RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By ebakke on 4/10/2009 11:44:33 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Apple doesn't know how to advertise to people very well.
What rock are you living under? Marketing themselves effectively is what Apple does.


RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By quiksilvr on 4/10/2009 11:49:49 AM , Rating: 5
Apple doesn't know how to advertise to EDUCATED people very well. The general masses are what they are aiming at because there are more non-educated people than educated people in this country and they are taking advantage of that.

IMO, money speaks. If people can simply open their eyes and realize that Apple does deserve to sell at a premium, but not the extent that they've been doing.

It's thanks to commercials like these that show the other side of the table (without being so blatantly bias, they actually complimented Apple on their aesthetic appeal in pretty much all of these commercials). Maybe people will get a clue and boycott Apple so that Apple can bring its prices down, especially during this economy.


RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By SoCalBoomer on 4/10/2009 12:34:14 PM , Rating: 2
It's the educated people who I have a hard time dealing with when they say they want a Mac but the software they want to run is not available on a Mac - not the uneducated or undergrad. . .they just go grab a PC.

And yes, they insist they can run Windows on a Mac and then leave it to me to fight parallels to get their specific software package (like SPSS, which is a pain, btw.) to run correctly on it.


RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By mondo1234 on 4/11/2009 4:28:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's the educated people who I have a hard time dealing with when they say they want a Mac but the software they want to run is not available on a Mac - not the uneducated or undergrad. . .they just go grab a PC.

Its because educated people often make more money than the uneducated and price is not an issue. Most people in here have begun to argue that you cannot compare the mac buyer to the Lexus buyer, but the fact is, people will buy what they can afford. Not too many Doctors buy a Lexus, they buy a Mercedes - because they can afford it.


RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By Cypherdude1 on 4/12/09, Rating: 0
By MrPickins on 4/12/2009 4:17:27 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Apple claims their notebooks can operate for 8 hours straight before requiring a recharge. All Windows-based notebooks only operate for 2.5 hours max.


Apple lies.


RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By snownpaint on 4/10/09, Rating: 0
RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By droplets on 4/10/2009 2:51:13 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Maybe we should Boycott BMW or Mercedes for prices to high.

It is erroneous to compare, say, a Macbook to any of the aforementioned brands. With those, you actually get quality parts in addition to the shiny-ness.
The last Macbook that I bought, and will buy for a while, came with a Fujitsu hard drive, Hynix memory, and a god awful LCD panel. Why can Apple get away with this? Because when your hard drive breaks after a month of use, you can make an appointment at the Genius Bar and get a facial at the mall while you wait.
BTW, they were able to recover my OSX (HFS+?) partition, but wouldn't even attempt to recover my NTFS fusion partition.
And please don't try to say the packaging is worth the premium. 3 months into ownership the keyboard cover was cracking, and I lived in constant fear I would be another victim of the firey AC-DC adapter issue, and these are $80 adapters, mind you.


RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By lemonadesoda on 4/11/2009 5:16:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It is erroneous to compare, say, a Macbook to any of the aforementioned brands. With those, you actually get quality parts in addition to the shiny-ness.
ROFL. You, yourself, have fallen into the marketing/pay premium trap if you believe that! It is exactly a great analogy; you pay 50% more, get some parts that are better, but the majority of parts are not - but you survive on brand value and perception.
Consider yourself lucky not to have owned a recent Mercedes or BMW. You receive only an internet correction to your comment rather than a big $ and big service hole in your pocket.


By droplets on 4/24/2009 11:31:35 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps I shouldn't have spoken about luxury products which I don't own. I can tell you, however, that the repairs to my Buick average about %50-35% of what my brother's Golf does.


RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By gstrickler on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By sinful on 4/10/2009 3:30:11 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
It was, at the time. For instance, my old iBook G4 (single core @ 1.33GHz) is only about 20% slower at video encoding than a Core2 Duo (T7500) Mobile (dual core @ 2.2GHz) with a faster bus and faster RAM (and yes, the encoder is multi-threaded and takes advantage of both cores). Same software running on both machines.


If your single core G4 is anywhere near the speed of your dual core, Core2 Duo, your machine is really, really messed up.
(Or you're using Quicktime, in which case your craptastic performance is because Quicktime on Windows is horrible).

Apple's main push to x86 was *because* their laptops were VASTLY inferior to x86's laptop chips. Not by a little bit, but by a LOT.

The G5 was at least "holding its own" for some time.... Although even then it was because Apple was out there selling Multiple CPU boxes while PC users were still using Single CPU solutions.
Apple loved to compare their dual G5's to single processor P4's, but even they weren't so brave to compare a G4 laptop to Intel's offerings...


RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By gstrickler on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
By sinful on 4/11/2009 1:25:35 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Disagree all you want, unless you've got some benchmarks to back that up (and there aren't any), it's just wishful thinking.


I think you've drank WAY too much kool-aid:

http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2008/06/mac-perform...

To summarize, your Intel mac scores a 2,869 on CPU/memory benchmarks, while your iBook G4 scores a 715.

For the math impaired, that's more than 4x faster.

According to Apple marketing, the Core2 Duo is "Up to 6x faster" than the iBook G4.

In other words, the benchmarks show it being 300% (4x) faster, Apple claims it is 500% faster (6x), and you are claiming it is 20% (0.2x) faster.

Uhhh, right. What to believe, what to believe...?

Of course, don't let common sense smack you in the face - because common sense dictates the Core2Duo is going to be substantially faster than the G4.

You're talking about a chip with a FSB of 800Mhz vs. a chip with a FSB of 133Mhz.
(For those that didn't catch that, the FSB is 500% (6x) faster).

The Pentium III's FSB is more advanced than that of the G4.

And in terms of CPU, you've got 2 x 2.2Ghz vs. 1 x 1.33Ghz.

That's 3x the "Mhz"!

For your statement to be true, you're saying an 800Mhz G4 is faster than a 1.6Ghz Core2Duo - and not just a little, but by a WIDE margiin.

I think it's pretty obvious you either don't know what you're talking about, or you're not even remotely benchmarking CPU performance (i.e. you're benchmarking Disk IO performance or something of that nature).

quote:
The bottom line is that the PPC CPUs are clock for clock much faster than even Intel's latest CPUs. Intel is beating them with clock speed and performance/watt. That's the whole reason for Apple's switch to Intel CPUs.


That may have been the case when Apple initially switched over, but since PPC has stagnated and x86 has seen improvements, PPC has been left behind.

Maybe if there had been a "G6" following the Power4 architecture, your claim would be still true today, but it's not the case anymore.

Keep in mind the G5's "true competitor" of the era was the Pentium4 -- the G5 was faster clock for clock, but the P4 outperformed the G5 by virtue of much higher clock speed.

So, initally your claim was true...

HOWEVER, Everything after the P4 has been steadily eroding any "clock for clock" advantage, and it's not true anymore.
Sorry, the Core Duo and subsequent Core2 Duo dissolved any clock for clock advantage the G4 had.


RE: AT&T runs the best apple commercials.
By tehbiz on 4/10/2009 12:23:03 PM , Rating: 5
what are you talking about every apple computer generation comes with at least 2x more smug than the generation before it. if you cant afford to get a new mac every time a new one is released then you are a poor know-nothing windows fanboy who doesn't like stuff that works. you probably hate kids, dogs, and freedom too.


LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By borowki2 on 4/10/2009 11:26:35 AM , Rating: 5
How fucking dare anyone out there make fun of Apple after all the company has been through?

Their CEO is sick. Their stocks are down. They don't have no fucking netbooks.

Mac fans turn out to be total cheapskates and now the company has to struggle through a recession. And you people care bout is Blu-Ray and getting the best value for your money.

THEY ARE HUMAN! What you don't realize is that Apple is the one making this nerdy industry cool and hip and all you do is make some crappy commercials about them.

LEAVE THEM ALONE!

You know the Apple Campus is on 1 Infinity Loop for a reason, because all you people want is MORE! MORE, MORE, MORE, MORE!

LEAVE APPLE ALONE! You are lucky they even compete with you BASTARDS!

Leave Apple alone...please!
Leave Apple Computer alone! Right now! I mean it!




RE: LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By Whaaambulance on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By tehbiz on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By HaZaRd2K6 on 4/10/2009 2:59:22 PM , Rating: 5
Way to totally miss the joke there, bud.


RE: LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By Whaaambulance on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By mircea on 4/11/2009 4:13:04 AM , Rating: 1
Not every joke is made for laughs. Some are jokes because they are, not because you laugh. And some laugh at stupid things (like your answer) even though it's not a joke. :P


RE: LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By erple2 on 4/10/2009 11:39:44 AM , Rating: 2
I totally modded this one up. But then posted, so my modding was removed. All you need now is a couple of pink sheets to act as a "tent" and a youtube video, and you're all set.


RE: LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By Natfly on 4/10/2009 12:16:49 PM , Rating: 5
Thats great, I really laughed at the no netbooks part.


RE: LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By aftlizard on 4/10/2009 12:34:03 PM , Rating: 3
LOL, I am not sure how many will catch what you did there but I did.


RE: LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By Devo2007 on 4/10/2009 2:50:36 PM , Rating: 3
Same here...... I had the voice in the back of my mind while reading this post. :)


RE: LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By Oregonian2 on 4/10/2009 3:32:34 PM , Rating: 2
ditto -- cracked me up.

LOL


RE: LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By cerx on 4/10/2009 3:52:44 PM , Rating: 3
Hilarious


RE: LEAVE APPLE ALONE!
By akosixiv on 4/10/2009 4:26:15 PM , Rating: 3
deserves a 6

rofl at the no netbooks part.


Gaming - with intel graphics?
By LuxZg on 4/10/2009 10:37:34 AM , Rating: 1
OK, although that laptop is pretty nice and all.. are you sure it's integrated graphics? Kid said it should be a powerfull gaming computer, and they told them "you find it, you keep it".. But I don't see how Intel graphics can be powerfull :/

Before exclaiming BLURAAAAAAAAYYYYYY, they again mention that it will be good for gaming.

Can someone check once more if that's the same laptop this article is talking about?!?!




RE: Gaming - with intel graphics?
By LuxZg on 4/10/2009 10:48:35 AM , Rating: 3
Says on Sony site that it can have ATI HD3650 Mobility.. which is like 5x better
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet...

And since BestBuy lists only one VAIO FW model, and it's 899$ and not 1100$ as you say (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9156... ) I'm guessing they took the ATI graphics option.. (?)

With that, I'd agree it's a pretty fine gaming for a laptop, and BluRay is nice since .. well.. they got it for free anyway :D :P


RE: Gaming - with intel graphics?
By gstrickler on 4/10/2009 12:40:21 PM , Rating: 2
Intel 4500MHD integrated graphics and they include a Blu-Ray Player?

Intel 4500MHD good for gaming?

Someone in this ad doesn't have a clue and/or is doing some serious drugs.


RE: Gaming - with intel graphics?
By TomZ on 4/10/2009 1:40:33 PM , Rating: 2
That chipset provides hardware accelerated decode for video for Blu-ray, so that's okay.

I would say it's "good" for games, but not "great." It's also cheap and doesn't consume much power, so it's not all bad.


RE: Gaming - with intel graphics?
By mondo1234 on 4/11/2009 4:16:18 PM , Rating: 2
Of the current mobile chips, the 4500MHD is second to last, only below it is the X3100 in terms of gaming performance. Gaming with it should be very comparable between the two.


By Dark Legion on 4/10/2009 5:01:59 PM , Rating: 2
The graphics can handle bluray, but not much gaming. Much like Apple, Microsoft is also counting on the fact that most people watching these ads have no idea about computers. Anyone here can tell that this computer is complete garbage for gaming, which is what the kid wants it for.

For example:
1) cheap: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
2) midrange: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
3) exactly what the kid wanted with decent gaming capability: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...


RE: Gaming - with intel graphics?
By Alexstarfire on 4/11/2009 8:52:06 AM , Rating: 2
While I generally agree with your statement..... unless you want to spend over $2k for a laptop it's going to suck at gaming, period.


RE: Gaming - with intel graphics?
By AntiV6 on 4/13/2009 2:39:38 AM , Rating: 2
Not if they know what to look for, I got a M1530 while not amazing at gaming can play most games 1440x900 at medium settings. No AA/AF of course, but still a solid 30-40 FPS aint too bad.

$1539.00
XPS M1530
- 8600M GT
- T9300 @ 2.5Ghz
- 4 Gigs of RAM
- 320 Gig HDD
- Wireless N, camera, fingerprint reader, an extra charger.
- 3 Year accidental warranty
- LED Backlit screen @ 1440x900 resolution

Just because people don't realize there are 20%+ off coupons for some computers online, doesn't mean we all don't. :P


RE: Gaming - with intel graphics?
By AntiV6 on 4/13/2009 2:40:41 AM , Rating: 2
I purchased my laptop about 1 year ago too btw.


PC's are cheaper if my time is worth nothing
By sapiens74 on 4/10/09, Rating: 0
By CrazyBernie on 4/10/2009 5:49:32 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I spent several hours tweaking my Vista to run right on my Sony Vaio


You bought a Sony VAIO... first mistake. Having actually worked as a PC Tech on most of the Major brands out there, I can say that Sony is one of the worst offenders when it comes to loading crapware on their machines.

quote:
My Mac mini worked out of the box.


90% of branded PC's work out of the box, unless you count having to connect COLOR CODED cables. That's a pretty antiquated argument.

quote:
I love my Vista machine but it cost me several hours of tweaking to get it right and I am an MCSE!


Unfortunately, MCSE means nothing theses days... and it shows. Anyone can memorize some answers for a test.

quote:
How many average users would know to disable Superfetch, or Windows Search to speed things up?


The average user isn't going to notice the difference with those features on or off.

quote:
So the average user pays 300-400 hundred dollars more for a MAC, but how much time do they save, say over a three year lifespan?


The average user isn't going to buy a Mac. And I wouldn't be surprised if that dollar figure is a bit on the low side.


By Spivonious on 4/13/2009 9:12:55 AM , Rating: 2
Turning off Superfetch slows things down. And the MCSE cert doesn't exist, and hasn't for a couple of years now.

I've got Superfetch on and 6GB of RAM and after the machine boots, I never see the hard drive moving unless I'm loading a file I haven't used in months.


By Alexstarfire on 4/11/2009 8:57:20 AM , Rating: 2
If you include interest and inflation.... more than $500. I'd venture in actuality that'd be closer to $750 since $300-400 is a bit on the low end.

BTW, why disable superfetch.... granted I can understand why in terms of battery life.


RE: PC's are cheaper if my time is worth nothing
By MrPickins on 4/12/2009 4:41:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
How many average users would know to disable Superfetch , or Windows Search to speed things up?


Why on earth would you do that? In almost all situations superfetch speeds your system up.

BTW, bragging about an MCSE is worse than bragging about a degree from ITT Tech.


By callmeroy on 4/14/2009 1:19:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
BTW, bragging about an MCSE is worse than bragging about a degree from ITT Tech.


How the hell was what he typed bragging? He merely mentioned he was an MCSE as to inform us that he wasn't new to using a PC or in this case a Windows OS.

As for the ITT degree (or fill in any school or educational program you wish) ---- I'd say about 75% of what you get out of any education is up to YOU as the student, not the school or program. If you cheat or cut other corners don't slam the program for the student not being well trained afterwards.

Disclaimer: I didn't go to ITT but I got my MCSE back in the late 90's -- when arguably the cert carried a bit more weight with it.


Crazy
By Sunrise089 on 4/10/2009 10:26:33 AM , Rating: 4
In all reception of the new commercial among the tech community seems to be slightly better than the second commercial, though still falling short of the second .

Impressive how it can be better and worse than the second :)




RE: Crazy
By cerx on 4/10/2009 3:53:39 PM , Rating: 3
I'm glad I wasn't the only one annoyed by that ...


By sapiens74 on 4/10/2009 5:06:07 PM , Rating: 2
I have three laptops at home, one High end Sony that runs Vista well, the other two are mid range dual core with 4gb ram each and they run way slower then a comparable MAC. I compare to my Mac Mini which is running 10.5.6 with 2GB ram and a C2D 2.0 GHZ.

The MAC mini runs circles around the Vista machine with similar specs in boot time, application load time and surf times.

This is with a TWEAKED Vista machine, with services disabled and no startup items.

I love my Sony with Vista, it's my main rig, but honestly it's faster to load my Mini up and check email and surf.




By Alexstarfire on 4/11/2009 8:54:21 AM , Rating: 2
Of course comparing a laptop to a desktop is fair..... and you're comparing different OSes on boot times. Might as well compare it to Linux... which wipes the floor with just about every OS I can think of.


By MrPickins on 4/12/2009 4:35:43 PM , Rating: 2
Considering you are comparing laptops, I'd wager that the hard drive is the bottleneck.


False
By SavagePotato on 4/10/2009 7:42:45 PM , Rating: 2
They are definitely taking a page out of the apple book in false advertising if they are claiming that any vaio is good for playing games.

But as they say, turnabout is fair play so suck it apple.




Attack?
By Oregonian2 on 4/12/2009 2:13:43 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
some are calling the Microsoft's attacks increasingly tired and not direct enough


Ummmm.... maybe because they aren't attack ads? Too radical of an idea?

I've liked the first two ads, and although Apple is mentioned most of the ad's time isn't about Apple, but about PC's, and for that matter multiple PC's. One could just as well say the ads attacked PC's with other PC's.

Uh... maybe the ads are mostly PRO PC's rather than mostly anti-Apple? Too radical of an idea having positive ads about how PC's are better rather than dwelling upon how non-PC's are worse?

I agree that it's probably a poor strategy seeing as how attack ads have been proven to be much more effective (in politics anyway), but they do seem to excessively limit talking about Apple to be a good "attack ad". They're way too positive in nature.




Apple, no people skills
By overlandpark4me on 4/12/2009 8:00:05 PM , Rating: 2
When the leader of your company has the people skills of a 4 year old with Down's syndrome, you know where the dysfunction starts. The stink starts at the head. I'm reminded of the propaganda films from North Korea where that are on their knees shouting, "Great Leader,"Oh Great Leader"......




I think that...
By grandpope on 4/14/2009 11:03:53 AM , Rating: 2
the bottom pic was stolen from a BangBus episode!




Meanwhile...
By Marlonsm on 4/12/2009 12:00:04 PM , Rating: 1
I'm using my Linux computer laughing at all the Windows vs OSX argues.




A good counter ad from Apple
By Whaaambulance on 4/10/09, Rating: 0
BAD Combination
By mkhall7475 on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: BAD Combination
By Proxes on 4/10/2009 10:11:53 AM , Rating: 3
Sounds like you need to expand your network to include some IT contacts if you're going to run your own business.


RE: BAD Combination
By TomZ on 4/10/2009 10:28:29 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed - I would suggest putting ads on Craisglist looking for someone part-time. Hopefully you could find somebody who does that type of work for their day job, and then hire them to do small bits of work for you on the side.

If you're depending on your computer for your business, I also think it is worth it to pay for the next-day, on-site support contracts. Normally I'm against paying for support contracts because they are generally a waste of money, but if you need the computer for business, the cost is usually justified.


RE: BAD Combination
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/10/2009 10:15:24 AM , Rating: 2
I think your router was configured wrong.

I have a Sony Vaio (bought as an open item at BB, ironically) that has had no networking issues. I've used in on a number of different wireless networks and not run into any significant difficulty.

Granted the T8100 and 8400 GS leave something to be desired in terms of gaming, but it still runs Fallout 3, etc. with little problems.

I think overall Vaios are a bit overpriced, but they are pretty well built, have better than average battery life in my experience, as well as having Blu-Ray, which is a perk.

Your first mistake was trusting geeksquad. When I used to get my computer sent out for factory repairs with them, I used to chat hardware with them. Those people knew NOTHING real about hardware and failed to grasp basic concepts like differences between mobile graphics cards. In fact, they were so impressed at my "knowledge", that they told me I should "definitely apply for a job here". Yea right, no way.

As far as factory-installed crap Get Crapcleaner and read some online tutorials about cleaning off factory-installed junkware. It really should only take a couple of hours -- a lot come with direct uninstall options.

Then you could have saved yourself 9 months of hell -- live and learn, I guess.


RE: BAD Combination
By fatedtodie on 4/10/2009 12:08:10 PM , Rating: 2
Are 95% of Fallout 3's problems with the GAME itself? Bad programming etc? I wouldn't use a buggy game as an example of what a computer can run.


RE: BAD Combination
By 7Enigma on 4/15/2009 11:07:21 AM , Rating: 2
If you are going to spend a couple hours removing junk, you would be much better served just reinstalling the OS. No matter what removal attempts you try, there is nothing like a fresh install.


RE: BAD Combination
By kattanna on 4/10/2009 10:41:09 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
I thought - Best Buy, Geek Squad ... all my technical worries are over.


LOL.. now thats the funniest thing i have read all week. thanks my friend for the good chuckle!!


RE: BAD Combination
By adiposity on 4/10/2009 11:27:30 AM , Rating: 2
Man, some bad choices there...Vaios, Best Buy, and Geek squad!!? Hopefully you learned your lesson about BB and GS.

However, although I am no fan of Vaios, I doubt there's one Vaio in 100,000 that doesn't automatically connect to a properly configured network. They have standard network ports/wireless ports and drivers. There's nothing very different from what you'd find on a Lenovo or an HP.

If you are running your own business, and can't handle one PC, you probably need to pay someone to help you (to at least configure it). Lenovo business laptops don't have crapware installed, if that's an issue.

-Dan


RE: BAD Combination
By jimbojimbo on 4/10/2009 12:15:21 PM , Rating: 2
Complaing that you can't get things working is like some idiot buying the top of the line model stove and complaining why it can't cook him great food.

If you've read any posts here at all you'd know that depending on the Geek squad is the dumbest thing you could do.


RE: BAD Combination
By SavagePotato on 4/11/2009 4:09:03 PM , Rating: 2
This is so indicative of the typical "Business Owner"

Doing tech support for an internet provider I think one of the most common calls was joe user dropping the "I'm running a business" bomb indignantly, as if somehow that gives you admittance into a secret club where they really fix your problems not just give you the runaround. Incidentally EVERYONE seems to be running a business, (despite being on the lowest possible residential high speed package money can buy of course...)

I have really learned to hate anyone that points out how they are running a business to validate their position as somehow having more weight than others.

If you are running a business you need to take your head out of your ass because your business is going to be epic fail if you can't manage simple concepts like hiring an IT consultant to do the things you are incapable of.

I have taken so so many calls from small business owners that think it's anyone but THEIR responsibility that their network runs properly.

So so many annoying tards that expect their internet provider is going to provide endless free tech support for their royally screwed up internal network that they randomly go on a cable swapping spree on from time to time because their limewire didn't work fast enough and now nothing works.

So yeah, Business owner OP... Your business is your responsibility and whether you have a mac, or a pc, you still are going to be too incompetent to keep it running, so pay a damn technician to do what you can't, have a coke and a smile and stfu, oh and stop expecting that the tech world somehow exists to make you a success when you can't do it yourself.


RE: BAD Combination
By Etern205 on 4/11/2009 6:42:49 PM , Rating: 2
The brains of typical business owners and their stupid employees...

-Never backups data. Uses that "I got x years of data" bs.
-Makes stupid mistakes and never admits it.
-Can't tell the difference between shutdown and restart
-Thinks they're smart just because they know how to use Word, Excel, and browse the Internet.
-Blames everything on the IT personal.

e.g. System does not turn on, PSU died, change PSU and system is back up and running. A few minutes later then come to you saying everything does not work and it's all your fault. Well how the fuck can an IT person predict that changing a PSU will lead to other problems if the system won't even turn on in the first place?!


RE: BAD Combination
By Etern205 on 4/11/2009 6:44:26 PM , Rating: 2
Why does my comment start out with a 1 rating?
Did DT change their rating system?


RE: BAD Combination
By SavagePotato on 4/11/2009 8:51:52 PM , Rating: 2
Funny, this reminds me of a situation a year or two ago where I was at this place and I was about to move their company file to a small samba server and put the latest simply accounting on their systems.

I ask the lady there, when was the last backup done? She is like oh just at the end of last month. So I'm thinking okay that's not that bad. So I'm like okay, do you have it handy, she walks out of the room and comes back with a Rolodex of like 70 floppy disks and says here it is...

I stood there kind of in disbelief for a moment (this was like 2007). Fortunately their "backup" wasn't needed and the server had offsite backup from there on, because yes their "backup" was corrupted on the second disk. (I checked just for my own amusement.)

This same lady called about a year later saying she couldn't access the company file, when I looked at it it went from 70 meg's down to 1.5 and was useless, I don't know what the heck she did, nor did I care, but it was sure a damn good thing they had the offsite backup then.


RE: BAD Combination
By sinful on 4/10/2009 3:42:13 PM , Rating: 1
You should have just found a 13 year old kid, tell them you want to run some games on it, and let them go at it.

In no time, the PC would be free of crapware and it'd be on the network with a super fast ping.
LOL


RE: BAD Combination
By lightfoot on 4/10/2009 4:11:21 PM , Rating: 1
I'm not sure I see how an Apple would have been any better...

They don't have all the junk installed - but they still charge you a premium for that "privlege."

So far as the network is concerned, they would have sold you a wireless router and told you to run it with all the security and encryption turned off.

It still wouldn't have worked so they would recommend going to Starbucks with your laptop and buying a latte everytime you need the internet - this seems to be the only way that Macbooks connect to the internet... at least from what I've seen.


RE: BAD Combination
By TomZ on 4/10/2009 4:14:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They don't have all the junk installed
Wrong, they just have "Apple" junk installed, that's all. Lots of little apps and applets that are nice if you use them, but junk if you don't want them.


RE: BAD Combination
By INeedCache on 4/10/2009 4:29:14 PM , Rating: 2
Most Windows-based computers sold by major companies do have lots of junk installed, and that is bad. But why do poeple, particularly the Apple crowd, blame that on Microsoft? Imagine the uproar if Microsoft tried to add a "no junk software to be pre-installed with Windows" clause to its licensing agreement.


RE: BAD Combination
By Belard on 4/10/2009 5:54:24 PM , Rating: 2
Apple isn't actually blaming MS for the added 3rd party bloatware... but "PC" in general.

About the only computers without bloat are expensive game PCs and business computers like ThinkPad and ThinkCenteres.


How is this news?
By fishman882 on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: How is this news?
By TomZ on 4/10/2009 9:51:40 AM , Rating: 5
I'm not sure whether this is newsworthy or not, but the fact is that you saw the title of the article and clicked in anyway. So at some level, you must have thought it was potentially interesting.


RE: How is this news?
By Doormat on 4/10/2009 10:29:49 AM , Rating: 2
Because the last two threads on the commercials generated 100s of comments? So DT might as well keep posting about it if it gets the community gets up in arms.


RE: How is this news?
By G2cool on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
Mac users are superior.
By reader1 on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Mac users are superior.
By retrospooty on 4/10/2009 9:26:14 AM , Rating: 2
Who told you that... The Tooth fairy?


RE: Mac users are superior.
By Captain828 on 4/10/2009 9:43:39 AM , Rating: 5
Well... he is right! Mac users don't care about computers or technology, they care about their shiny Apple logo.

Also, Mac users are indeed more educated and affluent than Windows users when it comes to fanboyism. We should also add their high loyalty to 'The Apple' and over-zealous nature of guarding 'Their Precious'.

I beg you, please stop bashing Mac users!! and think for a second what superior creatures they are to us Windows users!!

Just imagine for a second how empty the world would be without Apple fanboys... sure, we would still have the ATi, AMD, Intel, BMW, Volkswagen, SE, Nokia fanboys left, but they are not as "educated" as the Apple disciples!


RE: Mac users are superior.
By retrospooty on 4/10/2009 11:53:45 AM , Rating: 2
LOL, you're right. We should be thanking them =)


RE: Mac users are superior.
By SavagePotato on 4/11/2009 3:54:13 PM , Rating: 1
I think this really points out why mac users are so annoying.

To me a mac user is someone that never grew up mentally past a high school level and is deathly afraid of being a geek. So they refuse to learn anything about computers, and they need one that they can feel as though they are somehow cool using it because it is not a geek computer. It's a suave status symbol for people who like to bask in their ignorance toward technology as if it was a badge of honor.

Yes, that is why I pity typical mac users. Because apple products are the epitome of blissful ignorance come to life as an entity of it's own. It's kind of like celebratory stupidity, and nothing makes me shake my head more than that.

I have seen so much of it in my years in technical support. People that not only are stupid, but WANT to be stupid. They go out of their way to point out and preface any conversation with how computer illiterate they are because technology flat out makes them mad. They want to rebel against it by refusing to learn about it, "Screw that someone else can do it for me because that shit is for nerds, I'm too cool to take responsibility for my own learning process."

Apple has come to personify this, computers for the indignant technophobe that cannot lower him or herself to the level of a pc geek.


RE: Mac users are superior.
By BioRebel on 4/10/2009 9:27:19 AM , Rating: 2
Mac users are more less affluent and less educated. They think they know about computers or technology. Which is why everyone hate them.
Fix'd ;)


RE: Mac users are superior.
By reader1 on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Mac users are superior.
By Steve1981 on 4/10/2009 9:41:54 AM , Rating: 3
Dare I ask how Microsoft prohibits you from using a Mac?


RE: Mac users are superior.
By reader1 on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Mac users are superior.
By TomZ on 4/10/2009 9:52:58 AM , Rating: 4
Wow, you're going a great job proving the "better educated" part. You debate like a 5-year old child.


RE: Mac users are superior.
By BioRebel on 4/10/2009 9:55:32 AM , Rating: 3
I applaud you internet troll, for your sad attempts brighten my day.


RE: Mac users are superior.
By callmeroy on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Mac users are superior.
By TomZ on 4/10/2009 10:29:37 AM , Rating: 2
Nah, they just run up their credit card balances more.


RE: Mac users are superior.
By an0dize on 4/10/09, Rating: 0
RE: Mac users are superior.
By intokkabire on 4/10/2009 11:00:45 AM , Rating: 2
Is this a serious comment?
A Mac is not immune to viruses and malware - nor is Apple's OS, OSX. Just as Linux is not immune to viruses and malware.

It's simply that the install base is minuscule compared to Windows machines. The payoff just doesn't exist yet.


RE: Mac users are superior.
By phatboye on 4/10/2009 5:26:57 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure this this guys was being sarcastic. No one could really be dumb enough to believe a statement like that.


RE: Mac users are superior.
By Whaaambulance on 4/10/2009 11:28:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Mac users are more affluent and better educated


http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ma...

'Ever notice how most Mac users are skinny? It's because of all the calories they burn because they can't shut the fuck up about how great their Macs are. What is it about Apple that makes its users unable to shut their mouths? Everywhere I go, there's another asshole with a Mac preaching about how much better Macs are than PCs. They regurgitate lines directly from Apple's marketing campaign, like "it just works."'


RE: Mac users are superior.
By reader1 on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Mac users are superior.
By Whaaambulance on 4/10/2009 12:17:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Mac users rarely discuss their computers because they don't care


If you are representing Mac users, you have shown quite the opposite. You haven't shut the fuck up since this story was posted.

The fact that you need to go on and on about Macs, proves you have an insecurity issue. Therefore I am superior.

PS - I also use a Mac and know when to STFU.


RE: Mac users are superior.
By TomZ on 4/10/2009 1:43:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
On the contrary, Mac users rarely discuss their computers because they don't care.
More like they don't discuss them because they realize they paid too much and got duped. Nobody is proud for paying too much for something.

On the other hand, if someone asks about my Core i7 machine that I built without spending much, I'm happy to talk about it.


RE: Mac users are superior.
By INeedCache on 4/10/2009 4:23:34 PM , Rating: 2
They MAY be better EDUCATED, but if they were truly smarter, they wouldn't be paying $$$$ for the Mac logo.


MicroTards Unite!
By Willymac1 on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: MicroTards Unite!
By TheDoc9 on 4/10/2009 10:59:40 AM , Rating: 3
I think whats really going on here is, after that 90% of users have visited xxx sites for 6 months and gotten the viruses and spyware/malware.

After which you call one of us snotty tech guys over to clean up your (mess) computer for the 50th time and not get paid for taking time out of our day and lives, showing us how much respect you have for us and expecting us to drop what we're doing even at work and take your stupid tech calls.

After we tell you every time what to do and how to do it and even go so far as to give you instruction on actually scanning occasionally, defraging and restarting the computer sometimes, and even turning on the firewall and not allowing everything - so you might miss belladonna's latest anal squirting antics.

We don't feel like being friendly and nice after all of that typically, you won't listen anyway. You'll still be complaining and expecting us to take care of you.


RE: MicroTards Unite!
By homerdog on 4/10/2009 11:47:17 AM , Rating: 1
I'm no fortune teller but I see an Apple red post in your future.


Mac and Microsoft adds
By Tuck on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Mac and Microsoft adds
By TomZ on 4/10/2009 11:37:18 AM , Rating: 3
Nah, the Mac ads were full of exaggeration and lies.


RE: Mac and Microsoft adds
By Whaaambulance on 4/10/2009 11:41:03 AM , Rating: 2
How does the Koolaid taste?


RE: Mac and Microsoft adds
By Motoman on 4/10/2009 12:39:32 PM , Rating: 3
Unfortunately, not like almonds...evidently.


RE: Mac and Microsoft adds
By 7Enigma on 4/15/2009 11:09:26 AM , Rating: 2
zing!


RE: Mac and Microsoft adds
By erple2 on 4/10/2009 11:43:18 AM , Rating: 2
All I got out of the mac ads were that Microsoft was having problems, and the macs could run iLife. I never got the impression that the Mac didn't have those problems.


RE: Mac and Microsoft adds
By cerx on 4/10/09, Rating: 0
RE: Mac and Microsoft adds
By Pirks on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Mac and Microsoft adds
By TomZ on 4/11/2009 12:19:33 AM , Rating: 2
Only an Apple zealot like you would use such demented logic to attribute Windows 7's early success to Jobs, LOL.


RE: Mac and Microsoft adds
By Pirks on 4/11/09, Rating: -1
RE: Mac and Microsoft adds
By TomZ on 4/11/2009 10:51:51 AM , Rating: 3
In your reply, you always change the subject.


RE: Mac and Microsoft adds
By Pirks on 4/11/09, Rating: -1
RE: Mac and Microsoft adds
By Whaaambulance on 4/11/2009 4:54:05 AM , Rating: 1
Apparently they also downrate for not laughing at stupid jokes... like the 'leave apple alone' thing... lol.


Now...
By WoWCow on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Now...
By xti on 4/10/2009 10:36:32 AM , Rating: 3
id go to newegg, spend 800 bucks on a laptop, non-mac, buy a mac sticker, some ipod headphones, and then spend about 2000 bucks on booze.


RE: Now...
By DFranch on 4/10/2009 12:25:22 PM , Rating: 2
You forgot hookers and blow!


RE: Now...
By Whaaambulance on 4/10/2009 12:25:56 PM , Rating: 5
I would totally snort coke off of a hookers ass with the money I would save.


RE: Now...
By ezodagrom on 4/10/2009 2:23:59 PM , Rating: 2
If MS would give me $3000 no way I would buy a notebook. I would buy a good pc (core i7, HD4890 or gtx275/285) and spend the remaining in a netbook (or a cheap 13" or 14" laptop).


You get what you pay for with PC's
By sapiens74 on 4/10/09, Rating: -1
By CrazyBernie on 4/10/2009 5:37:39 PM , Rating: 5
Actually with the money I saved on my PC I took your mom on a nice cruise to the Bahamas.

Unfortunately she enjoyed it much more than I did. >.>


By Spivonious on 4/13/2009 9:14:51 AM , Rating: 2
Who pays for AV?


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