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New tightly-integrated approach offers mobility gains, but closes the door to tinkering

Windows RT  -- the branded name for Windows on ARM architecture chips -- is bad news for some Windows enthusiasts.  The critical release marks the first major personal computer Windows release in which Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) has turned away from a direct-sales model, and thus in a sense marks the first time Microsoft has killed users' ability to "tinker" with their system and install their own operating system.

I. Long Live the Battery -- Or So Microsoft Claims

Writes Microsoft VP Mike Aguilo in the Building Windows blog, "PC makers will provide Windows RT PCs as integrated, end-to-end products that include hardware, firmware, and Windows RT software. Windows RT software will not be sold or distributed independent of a new Windows RT PC, just as you would expect from a consumer electronics device that relies on unique and integrated pairings of hardware and software."

In other words, your Windows laptop or tablet is about to become more like a smartphone, and less like a custom-built piece of hardware -- well, if you buy a Windows RT device, at least.  No longer will you be able to buy and install the operating system yourself -- your device maker will do that for you.

But for most consumers that should be a good thing.  Among the benefits of its new tightly-integrated approach, Microsoft is claiming to offer up to 13 hours of HD video playback (at 60 frames per second) with a 42 watt-hour battery powering a Windows RT notebook and 10.1" screen.  


Windows RT devices like the Surface by Microsoft will offer up to 13 hours of HD video playback.
[Image Source: Microsoft]

To put that in context, an 11-inch MacBook Air (35 watt-hour) from Apple, Inc. (AAPL) gets around 4-5 hours [source] of battery life.  Or alternatively, Microsoft's partners can now vie with Apple, whose iPad (third generation) offers 11-hours of HD video playback [source].  Microsoft estimates up to 409 hours of standby life for its RT devices.

Of course, those are Microsoft's numbers, so take them with a grain of salt.

On the dimensions side, Microsoft promises tablets and ARM laptops as thin as 8.3 mm (roughly 12 percent thinner than the iPad), weighing as little as 520 grams (about 20 percent lighter than the iPad).

But unlike the iPad, Windows RT devices will come packing a host of high-speed USB ports (though Microsoft won't commit to USB 3.0 capable Windows RT devices quite yet).  Microsoft says its RT computers will also pack tap-to-share near-field communications capabilities, similar to those in Research in Motion, Ltd.'s (TSE:RIM) latest PlayBook operating system update.

II. Big Support From Hardware Makers, But Not Many Apps -- Yet

Microsoft highlights the key gestures of the multi-touch-centric devices, include two finger slide (scrolling), pinch (zoom), and edge swipe (page-flipping, etc.).
Windows RT gestures
[Image Source: Microsoft]

In April, the Windows Store only had 99 Metro apps [source].  By August that number has risen to 450 apps [source].  Of these, Microsoft promises "over 90%" support Windows RT, meaning there's already a few hundred compatible apps.  That's still a far cry from the hundreds of thousands of apps in Apple's App Store or in Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android Play store.  But you have to start somewhere, as they say.
Windows Store
The Windows Store had only 99 apps in April. [Image Source: Forbes]

Among the major players to commit to Windows RT include Dell Inc. (DELL) (the world's second largest PC maker), Lenovo Group Ltd. (HKG:0992) (the world's fastest growing PC maker), and Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) (the world's largest smartphone maker).

Of these, Samsung is rumored to be prepping an RT device for Windows 8's October launch, in time for the holidays.

And then there's Microsoft's own Surface tablet/laptop hybrid, which will first launch on October 26 as an RT device.  Surface uses a Tegra 3 system-on-a-chip (SoC) from NVIDIA Corp. (NVDA).

But other RT devices will also use chips from ARM Holdings plc. (LON:ARM) licensees Qualcomm, Inc. (QCOM) (makers of the Snapdragon 4) and Texas Instruments Inc. (TXN) (makers of the OMAP 4 SoC series).  Noticably absent was any mention of Samsung's proprietary Exynos series or Marvell Technology Group Ltd. (FRA:MVL).  It's unclear whether these ARM chipmakers will be privvy to the RT party.

III. Windows RT Well Positioned Among Anemic Tablet Competition

Windows RT
A Windows RT prototype device (left) versus Microsoft's latest test build (right).
[Image Source: Microsoft]

Many questions -- most notably what independent benchmarks show -- remain, but at present it's clear that Microsoft is gunning for aggressive battery life and form factors with Windows RT.  It is also clear that it plans to have multiple RT devices ready for the holiday season.

That should make for an intriguing battle with Apple, who will be on somewhat unfamiliar territory of being unable to sue its foe, due to their cross-licensing pact.  Between that legal immunity and Microsoft's ambitious spec push, Windows RT could gain ground in the tablet space, an arena where Google's Android has largely failed (unless you count the quasi-Android Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN) Kindle Fire).

Source: Microsoft



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I'll believe it when I see it
By tayb on 8/14/2012 9:46:18 PM , Rating: 1
I take a skeptics point of view with battery life claims to begin with but especially so when it involves Windows.

With Windows it has usually been performance, form factor, or battery life... pick any two. We know surface ticks the "form factor" box... here's betting MS achieves the 13 hours via piss poor performance.




RE: I'll believe it when I see it
By Arsynic on 8/15/2012 9:51:28 AM , Rating: 4
Windows was never a closed ecosystem like Windows RT is, so while skepticism is always warranted, at least acknowledge the reasons why they can make the claim.


RE: I'll believe it when I see it
By kmmatney on 8/15/12, Rating: 0
RE: I'll believe it when I see it
By Rukkian on 8/15/2012 11:39:01 AM , Rating: 2
One of the main reasons I do not go apple is because I don't want anybody telling what I can install, or what I can do with my device.

I do not want this from Apple, Microsoft, or anybody.


RE: I'll believe it when I see it
By tayb on 8/15/2012 11:56:11 AM , Rating: 1
What does a closed app ecosystem have to do with system overhead and hardware requirements?


No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Pirks on 8/14/12, Rating: -1
By vignyan on 8/14/2012 7:37:40 PM , Rating: 4
Apple will not sue Microsoft, rather - Apple can not sue Microsoft.


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Mitch101 on 8/14/2012 7:45:17 PM , Rating: 2
Ballmer says it must suck to be you.

Microsoft Surface for Windows RT tablet coming October 26th for $199?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/14/microsoft-surfa...

Im only disappointed I cant pre-order one now.


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Pirks on 8/14/12, Rating: -1
RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Mitch101 on 8/14/2012 8:17:34 PM , Rating: 2
It worked for the X-Box and they make a profit on them now.

I really think Apple makes a good product but its not evolving and youve woken a sleeping Giant. Its only a matter of time and Microsoft is just beginning to fire on all Cylinders.

Microsoft SmartGlass
Windows Phone 8
Window OS 8
SharePoint 15/2013
Windows Server 2012
Microsoft Office 15/2013
Microsoft SQL server 2012

Apple is already starting to lose the iPhone war to Android and if you Google around you'll find Apple is starting to lose Market share in some countries.

Apple tablets have Nexus 7, Kindle, Nook, and soon Both the Windows Tablets (ARM and X86) to deal with.

Finally Steve Cook is no Steve Jobs. Await the Newton 2.


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By TakinYourPoints on 8/14/12, Rating: -1
RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Mitch101 on 8/14/2012 10:15:06 PM , Rating: 5
Microsoft makes money in Office, Server Apps, Windows, Entertainment, and support services. Online services loses money. Mobile division is losing money but not forever.

Microsoft's Xbox 360 Division Sees $1.32 Billion Profit For Fiscal Year 2011
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/36011/Microsoft...

They lost 211 million I think so far in 2012 but when you add Live subscriptions which grew 5 million to over 40 million people into the mix they are making money.

Skype also has increased 40% since Microsoft's purchase.

Nintendo is bleeding heavily.
http://www.ingame.msnbc.msn.com/technology/ingame/

Sony's Credit and Debt Ratings Downgraded
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1218351p1.html
The company just posted a $2 billion loss last quarter

Cant argue Apple is doing well but Apples dominance is being threatened by Google and Soon Microsoft might just take some more of them. I know several companies just waiting for Microsoft Tablets to arrive.


By french toast on 8/15/2012 6:02:54 PM , Rating: 3
Link? As I understand it untill recently...the entertainment division was making billions...Xbox live alone was raking it in
..isn't wp7 in the entertainment division? If so that will have ate into it...I know at the start of Xbox 360 they were a few billion down...and had to write off another 1 billion for the red rings of death...however the last 3 years has seen them rake it in....the attatch rate for games and subscriptions and movies is significantly higher for Xbox 360 than for others...also Xbox has been making a hardware profit longer than Sony.


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By french toast on 8/15/2012 6:06:29 PM , Rating: 2
Link? As I understand it untill recently...the entertainment division was making billions...Xbox live alone was raking it in
..isn't wp7 in the entertainment division? If so that will have ate into it...I know at the start of Xbox 360 they were a few billion down...and had to write off another 1 billion for the red rings of death...however the last 3 years has seen them rake it in....the attatch rate for games and subscriptions and movies is significantly higher for Xbox 360 than for others...also Xbox has been making a hardware profit longer than Sony.


By TakinYourPoints on 8/16/2012 11:13:40 PM , Rating: 2
Entertainment in the spring quarter was down 16% YoY. You can Google it yourself, it'll make a couple hundred million in profit one quarter, give it back the following quarter. It isn't really a moneymaker, billions spent over the last decade to maybe make a few hundred million total, depending on the quarter. It is a loss leader that Windows and Office are paying for.


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By elleehswon on 8/15/2012 8:38:43 AM , Rating: 2
Nintendo and Apple both do well off selling old/crappy hardware at a record profit.(case in point, the wii's hardware specs, and apple's macbook line)


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By french toast on 8/15/2012 6:11:40 PM , Rating: 2
An iPad doesn't out run Any android tablet at all...for a start it hasn't even got the same capabilities...although to be fair at least until jelly bean it is 'smoother'.

IPad 3 is less performant than an iPad 2 playing the same game.


By TakinYourPoints on 8/16/2012 11:10:23 PM , Rating: 2
Well, an iPad is far more capable than an Android tablet given that it has a tablet app selection and developer community that is many times larger than the one developing for Android tablets. Then there is the accessory market (huge like it is for the iPhone) and things like whole house control, home theater control, etc. I don't understand why you'd bring capabilities into the conversation when you're trying to make a point against the iPad.

As for game performance, it is about a wash with the iPad 2, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, but extremely close in both cases. It is a silly argument since it comes down to you being against higher resolution and pixel density. The tradeoff for a practically imperceptible difference in framerate is completely worth the increase in resolution.

It is like someone getting angry about the move from a GTX 660 on a 1080p display to a GTX 670 on a 1440p display, nonsense.


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Pirks on 8/14/12, Rating: -1
RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Tony Swash on 8/15/12, Rating: -1
By kleinma on 8/15/2012 12:35:59 PM , Rating: 3
Considering HP can't make a computer worth a shit, and can't make a tablet that worth a shittier shit, this is a good thing. Tony what are you doing here anyway? Aren't there Apple articles that need tending to?


By Pirks on 8/15/2012 2:05:56 PM , Rating: 2
After their piece of ugly stink named TouchPad I can't tell you Tony how happy I am HP will NOT ruin the launch of Win RT with their TouchPad 2 or whatever


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By sprockkets on 8/14/2012 7:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
If that's the case none of their OEM partners will make money and just like the zune, will again be back stabbed.

Sorry, but after using the Asus Transformer Infinity + dock, OEMs can make a good tablet. And with a picture posted a few days ago I can tell the only diff btw the Android transformer series and that one, is the OS loaded on it and the Metro logo.

MS didn't need to make their own tablet. They could have just did what Google did with Asus.


By Mitch101 on 8/14/2012 8:55:44 PM , Rating: 1
And we got 1000 other really bad Android tablets too and less than a handful of ones worth owning like the Asus Transformer.

If anything Microsoft is doing them a favor as none of the hardware manufacturers seem to be able to make a healthy profit on tablets. Even the ones that make good Tablets sales of them have not been great.

Its not like Microsoft got into the Tablet market and is now competing with Dell, HP, LENOVO tablets as none of them had a successful tablet market to begin with.

If Microsoft got into the PC and Server Market then that's going into their bread and butter.

I might also point out Dell, HP, Lenovo none of them make a game console so when Microsoft manufactured the X-Box wouldn't that be the same as leaving out the OEMs.

If your a smart OEM let Microsoft take all the risk on a tablet and if/when there is market share and worth it then OEM's should look to license the software if they can do a better tablet for profit. But let Microsoft do the risk of the initial ecosystem.

Right now both Google and Microsoft have to sell Tablets with minimal profit to a loss to build their Eco systems.

The real money is not in the tablet but in the Marketplace.


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Samus on 8/15/2012 1:31:33 AM , Rating: 1
Not to sound like an Apple fanboy (because I am certainly not) but my wife's Macbook runs under OSX twice as long on battery power as it does under Windows 7. TWICE as long. I'm talking 6 hours opposed to 3. Same power settings, same surfing activities (Amazon, pinterest, facebook, etc.)

I find it hard to believe Apple crippled bootcamp somehow, and rather think the Linux-based kernel of OSX is far superior in resource usage than the NT kernel.

So unless Microsoft is going the Apple route with Windows 8/RT, and copying Linux for all its got, I find it hard to believe they'll better then in battery life, regardless of OSX or iOS.


By StevoLincolnite on 8/15/2012 4:27:22 AM , Rating: 2
When I turned my old laptop into a hackintosh last year, Windows 7 would get 3 hours, MacOSX would get 3 hours and 15 minuits.

So I would hazard a guess divers and the underlying hardware played a big part in that.


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Helbore on 8/15/2012 7:24:04 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, it is well-known that this is down to Apple writing poor Windows drivers for bootcamp.

There are already ultrabooks running Windows 7 that beat similarly-specced Apple products (MacBook Air) in battery life. Have a look at the Samsung series 9. I believe the battery life is nearly double that of the Air.

Apple definitely do cripple Windows battery life on Macs.


By testerguy on 8/15/2012 9:59:13 AM , Rating: 2
I run Windows 7 on my Macbook Air and it gets excellent battery life (> 6 hours).

I very much doubt the Samsung series 9 beats that with my usage pattern in the real world. The Samsung series 9 also loses out in the performance department.


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By bety on 8/15/2012 8:32:19 AM , Rating: 2
Mitch101! YAY....the same dufus who proclaimed up and down, on every tech website his predictions that windows phone 7 was going to destroy ios and android. LOL!


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Mitch101 on 8/15/2012 9:57:02 AM , Rating: 2
I never said it would destroy iOS or Android in fact I praise both of them when they are done right. I give a lot of street cred to the Samsung Galaxy S3 its finally a real Android device unlike a lot of previous Androids. Still I question OS updates 6-12 months from now.

I certainly think Windows Phone is as good if not better than iOS/Android. Its certainly proven to be stable and robust and certainly worth looking at. I have far fewer problems than the people around me with iPhones and Androids so Im defending my device because there are a lot of FUD spreaders who you can tell never used a Windows Phone who seem to think they know the device.

Why will Windows Phone grow you have to look at the eco system as a whole. Microsoft Integration with Office, Sharepoint, Exchange, X-Box, Server Administration in the end you will have a deeper integration with a Windows Phone device than any other.

All that separates these devices from one another is the OS. Its like comparing a PS3 to an X-Box and the game is something from EA. Same game both systems neither is really better than the other on the console. Somehow though if its on a Windows Device people claim there is something wrong. Thats just stupid fanboism. What makes the X-Box version a step ahead is the eco system like Live is better than Sony's gaming network. Now you have your advantage from Microsoft because of the eco system.

Microsoft just redid the Marketplace.
Microsoft just launched Outlook.com much better than Gmail
Microsoft just redid Skydrive
Microsoft AeroGlass
Microsoft Music Subscription is the best deal by far.
Windows Home Server Integration - unlimited personal storage
X-Box Live

Microosoft has an awesome eco system. Better than anything from Google or Apple and they are finally starting to leverage it.

If all you want is a Phone they are pretty much equals you will be happy with any. If you want an eco system Microsoft will be the premier game in town.


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Pirks on 8/15/2012 2:22:02 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Microsoft Integration
Oh yeah, I've seen how MS "Integration" really works. When I'll be able to watch MKV movies on my Windows Phone over WiFi from my Windows file share - wake me up. Android does this integration 100% while Windows Phone is a sad joke that can't do anything remotely similar to this. This "Integration" is pure marketing bullshit and doesn't exist in real life usage scenarios. Stupid Windows Phone CAN'T EVEN DOWNLOAD AND STORE MUSIC FROM ITS OWN SKYDRIVE!!! Man fuck this shit. If this is what you call "Integration" than MS is doooomed (C) Tony Swash
quote:
Microsoft AeroGlass
Aero Glass interface is DEAD buddy, it's officially dead in Win8 because according to MS it was eating too much battery, so they killed it and replaced with Metro that is much more frugal with battery. You have to read some basic facts about MS tech from their own blogs before starting trolling here or you'll look double stupid.
quote:
Windows Home Server
Where have you been sleeping past few months man??? Home Server is dead too. Welcome to the REAL world kiddo, go and read some recent MS blogs about WHS being discontinued and EOL, you sound even more delusional than Tony now :))) What the fuck is wrong with you?


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Mitch101 on 8/15/2012 5:42:41 PM , Rating: 2
Never tried playing an MKV through my phone will have to try that since it works fine from my PC to X-box and media players. Probably just need to find an app or use VLC. But since I can sync media center with my Windows Phone I dont have a real need to play MKV's yet. When I get the tablet maybe. Lets see what happens when Windows Phone 8 comes along and you might have that as a win for Android.

I Meant to say Microsoft Smartglass. My fault there.

Home server where it archives all my recorded media from Windows Media center and audio with unlimited upload/download and remote administration. The functionality is moving into Server 2012 and Windows 8 which makes more sense Ill just upgrade then. Not sure why that upsets you.

The nice part about DT is in 10 minutes I wont have to read any of your posts they will be -1 soon enough but Id much prefer a block user button.


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Pirks on 8/15/2012 5:55:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Probably just need to find an app
Yeah, good luck "finding an app" when MS prohibited WP7 native development and proper video codec support from the start :))) LOOOL he wants to "find an app" ahahaha, clearly has not a SLIGHTEST idea about how WP7 apps are developed and what dumb limitations MS put on them. Welcome to the real world kiddo.
quote:
any of your posts they will be -1
Keep dreamin' kiddo :)))


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Mitch101 on 8/15/2012 6:22:33 PM , Rating: 2
And they changed that.

Windows Phone 8 adds DirectX, native development , easier app porting
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/20/3095150/microsof...


By Pirks on 8/15/2012 9:16:40 PM , Rating: 2
Ya, once they also add some MKV playing software, Windows file share accessing software, some decent games like ShadowGun and most important decent LARGE screens like in my Galaxy Note - then I start thinking about coming back from crapdroid :P I don't expect this happening for another year though, MS is notoriously slow with software updates.


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Camikazi on 8/14/2012 7:57:36 PM , Rating: 3
Have you noticed how MS is pretty much the only company that Apple has not sued? It's not because Apple feels sorry for MS it's cause Apple and MS cross license patents that each needs and Apple suing MS could lead to MS suing back and doing a lot of damage. No matter what you think MS is a HUGE sleeping monster that no one wants to wake up, when it comes to dangerous companies to mess with MS and Intel are two of the meanest. Those are two who are rather slow to move but once you wake them you are screwed and no one really wants to take them on not even Apple.


By Helbore on 8/15/2012 7:29:02 AM , Rating: 2
If Apple were to sue Microsoft, all MS would have to do is stop licensing EAS to them and bang goes all Apple products in business.

Cut off the iPad and iPhone from being able to connect to Exchange servers and it would be game over for them.


By TakinYourPoints on 8/14/2012 8:02:49 PM , Rating: 2
Cross-licensing agreements dude, they both pay each other licensing fees.


By LieutenantCrunch on 8/14/2012 8:03:49 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone else smell a troll?


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Pirks on 8/14/12, Rating: 0
RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/14/2012 10:36:38 PM , Rating: 4
That's the shit on your upper lip....


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By Pirks on 8/15/2012 2:31:13 PM , Rating: 2
Stay away from me please, I don't like the stinky stuff you spit around, especially when some of it lands on me


RE: No need for Apple to sue poor failing MS
By twhittet on 8/15/2012 5:45:49 PM , Rating: 2
Stop talking to yourself then.


By Pirks on 8/15/2012 6:19:54 PM , Rating: 2
After you stop talking to yourself


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