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2015 Mercedes-Benz S500 Plug-In Hybrid
Cannon says Tesla wont be alone in the premium EV space forever

Tesla may be a smaller automaker, but the major carmakers out there can’t deny that the EVs Tesla produce are very popular and -- for the moment -- successful. At last week's New York Auto Show, Mercedes U.S. head Steve Cannon criticized Tesla, saying that the EV maker has "no network" and operates "little shops that don’t have service capability."
 
“Folks are buying a Tesla now because they’re kind of cool, but if you’re a Tesla buyer, you have to have multiple cars,” said Cannon. He also indicated that the infrastructure for EVs wouldn't hold up to mass demand.
 
Cannon made the Tesla comments when talk of Mercedes' plans to add more plug-in hybrid cars to its line came up. He also believes that the Mercedes plug-in hybrids will give drivers a more viable option than Tesla.
 
“Tesla is great, but you’ve got plenty of well-established brands that mean luxury, like Porsche or Mercedes-Benz, and how long do you think we’re going to wait and let Tesla be out there alone [selling premium electric cars]?” he said. “So, good job, Tesla, but will they be able to maintain that with the others of us out in the market? That remains to be seen.”
 

Tesla Model S
 
Cannon says that Mercedes is able to cater to luxury buyers with a complete luxury experience when servicing the car, which is something Tesla can’t do. He also touts Mercedes and its multiple powertrain options as something Tesla can’t match.

Mercedes is investing heavily in diesels and plug-in hybrid vehicles for the U.S. market. 

Source: Forbes



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Mercedes speaks out
By hangfirew8 on 4/22/2014 11:12:11 AM , Rating: 5
Point taken- Mercedes is scared of Tesla, intends to compete in their space someday.




RE: Mercedes speaks out
By retrospooty on 4/22/2014 11:13:34 AM , Rating: 3
Exactly.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By atechfan on 4/22/2014 12:08:32 PM , Rating: 3
How is Mercedes scared of Tesla? That would be like saying they are scared of MG or Lotus. Tesla is way too small to be a threat to any of the major automakers.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By retrospooty on 4/22/2014 12:48:37 PM , Rating: 3
Scared may be an overstatement. As any business, they are concerned with a new competitor that appears to be putting things together in a way they have not been able to. The point is they are crapping on it because its competition, not because the outlook is actually "poor".


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By atechfan on 4/22/2014 1:21:23 PM , Rating: 3
The actual vehicle are quite nice, it seems. Just way out of the price range I am willing to pay. But the same is true for pretty much all of Mercedes line-up too.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By Mint on 4/22/2014 5:13:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The point is they are crapping on it because its competition, not because the outlook is actually "poor".
The funny thing is that the Daimler CEO himself has stated the opposite of this chump:
http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/03/daimler-tesla-mot...
quote:
We already worked out strategic issues with Tesla and to do so again in the future. Tesla is one of the best investments we have ever made.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By Nutzo on 4/22/2014 5:27:10 PM , Rating: 3
Not really.
Once electric cars are profitable, all the major car companies will start making them. Right now they are mainly making them to offset mileage requirements and for polutions credits.

If it wasn't for the generous polution credits Tesla got last year, they wouldn't have had a profit.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By Reclaimer77 on 4/22/14, Rating: 0
RE: Mercedes speaks out
By flyingpants1 on 4/23/2014 12:43:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Electric Vehicles are ALWAYS going to be more expensive to manufacture


The only expensive part of an EV is the battery. Since you, Reclaimer77, can't predict the future, you have no way of knowing how much battery prices will drop.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By Reclaimer77 on 4/23/2014 1:33:47 PM , Rating: 2
I was referring to production volumes and how it relates to end cost of products.

But hearing you and Mint talk about producing EV's cars is just almost laughable. Yeah you know you just run down to Radio Shack for your AC motor, grab a battery from Lowes, throw a seat and four tires on it and BOOM!!! You just made an EV! They're cheap to make!!!!

There's basically two EV's on the market. One is sold at a loss, the other is a fortune. Sorry but there's NO proof to your claims that EV's are cheaper to manufacture than comparable ICE vehicles. Because it's a LIE.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By Reclaimer77 on 4/22/14, Rating: 0
RE: Mercedes speaks out
By flyingpants1 on 4/23/2014 1:22:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
This would be like saying Joes Hot Dog stand on the corner is "competing" with Oscar Myer lol. I mean...wtf people. Do you know how big Dailmer is? There's more spare change lost in their couch than Tesla has made in it's entire history.


What if Joes Hot Dog stand has a 99% rating, the highest ratings ever given, by Hot Dog Reports? And they plan to expand to the size of Oscar Myer?

Yes, Tesla is competing with Daimler. They are competing with the Mercedes brand. Mercedes sold 1.5 million cars last year. Tesla wants to sell 1 million cars by ~2020.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By atechfan on 4/24/2014 6:57:54 AM , Rating: 2
Key words here are "wants to". I've seen no indication that they will reach those volumes in that timeframe.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By retrospooty on 4/23/2014 10:23:47 AM , Rating: 2
I am just saying its not out of the ordinary for a huge corporation to "poo poo" the ideas of a small upstart. No one has any of the big Auto makers shaking in their boots here, but they are watching and preparing for a variety of possibilities related to this business model.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By flyingpants1 on 4/23/2014 1:05:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
How is Mercedes scared of Tesla? That would be like saying they are scared of MG or Lotus. Tesla is way too small to be a threat to any of the major automakers.


Are MG or Lotus building a ~$5 billion factory to expand production to 1 million cars/year?


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By atechfan on 4/24/2014 6:59:28 AM , Rating: 2
That is just a battery plant. They've yet to make any moves showing that the rest of the production line will reach those numbers. Seems more likely that Tesla will be selling batteries to other EV makers as well.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By DT_Reader on 4/22/2014 7:30:38 PM , Rating: 2
If Mercedes offered an electric car, and if I could afford it, then I'd still spend that money on a Tesla. The only thing keeping me from driving a Tesla today is my budget.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By KFZ on 4/22/2014 12:22:59 PM , Rating: 2
It wouldn't surprise me if the suppression and opposition is one giant coordinated effort to ruin a company that could up-end establishment and set automakers back playing years of catch-up when they do get in the game.

We've seen this happen before; politics and business are just fronts for establishment criminals.


RE: Mercedes speaks out
By masamasa on 4/22/2014 4:07:33 PM , Rating: 2
Well said and entirely true. When you don't have a competing product the pattern seems to be bash the competition, but all it shows it your own weakness.


By GotThumbs on 4/22/2014 1:09:46 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Mercedes is able to cater to luxury buyers with a complete luxury experience when servicing the car, which is something Tesla can’t do.


Personally, I'd want a car that does NOT need regular servicing. Anyone who values his/her time does NOT want to hang out at a car dealership.

As long at Tesla can maintain a high level of reliability in their vehicles, I think they have Mercedes and the other companies very concerned IMO. Perhaps a loaner service could be offered on any rare occasion of a Tesla requiring service. Time will tell.

How about a loaner are AND a traveling tractor trailer rig that makes those rare trips out to fix any occasional issues.

Time will tell, but I for one, would rather buy from Tesla than any new car dealership. As I can't currently afford a Tesla, I will continue to purchase gently used vehicles from non-dealers. So far 4 vehicles and all have been great deals and reliable purchases.

~Best wishes





By atechfan on 4/22/2014 1:28:49 PM , Rating: 1
I never get my vehicle serviced at dealerships, regardless of what brand I am currently driving. I find the mechanics at local small independent garages are usually more skilled.


By BabelHuber on 4/22/2014 2:30:12 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Anyone who values his/her time does NOT want to hang out at a car dealership.


I just call my BMW dealer when my car says it needs maintenance. Then I tell him when I'm in the home office.

The dealer then picks up my car at my home in the morning, does the maintenance and brings it back in the afternoon.

Zero time wasted. So this is a non-issue for me.

Besides, the Tesla still has limited range. On Friday I'll have to drive more than 500km in one day for a meeting at a customer. If the Autobahn is free I can drive 200 km/h without any problem.

Can I even do this with any Tesla? AFAIK 500km is out of scope for any existing electric vehicle, except if you drive so slow that you are in danger of falling asleep because of boredom.


By SublimeSimplicity on 4/22/2014 4:04:28 PM , Rating: 2
500km is too far for even the 85kWh Model S (likely 400km at a decent speed), but there are already 4 supercharger stations in Germany and more being added. Tesla just installed their 100th station today.

Likely you could make the trip with 1 stop in either the 85 or 60 Model S.

The car makes a lot more sense in Europe, because of the relative size of the countries and the price of fuel.


By BabelHuber on 4/22/2014 4:31:11 PM , Rating: 2
So I would actually have to plan the trip instead of just driving when I see fit.

Honestly, I do not even want to care about recharging a 85KWh battery. I'd have to think about things like:

- Where are the chargers?
- How long do I have to recharge?
- Is the car fully charged when starting the trip?
- How fast can I drive to get the trip done in one day at all?

With a regular car, I just drive where I want. I do not have to plan anything nor do I have to care about the fuel level in my tank - there are enough gas stations everywhere.



By Mint on 4/22/2014 5:26:37 PM , Rating: 3
Good for you. Then don't buy it.

Unlike you, 95% of the world:
A) doesn't have 200km/h autobahns to drive on
B) wants breaks during a 500km trip anyway
C) doesn't want to pay the stealership for service
D) would rather have a car that needs minimal maintenance in the first place
E) thinks waiting 30 min for 40L equivalent of free gas is worth it (in Germany that's effectively getting paid €120/hr for literally doing nothing)


By BabelHuber on 4/23/2014 2:09:54 AM , Rating: 2
First of all I Do not buy the propaganda of Quick electric recharging. Look up Ohm's law and then we ca talk again.

Secondly I value my time! A business trip usually keeps me occupied from 7 in the morning to the evening.

Do you honestly believe I want to aditionally hang around at chargers?

The Tesla is only suited for people who do not drive much. It is for a small niche only.


By SublimeSimplicity on 4/23/2014 9:24:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I Do not buy the propaganda of Quick electric recharging. Look up Ohm's law and then we ca talk again.

Propaganda? They're out there, today, working. 675km/h charge rate. Maybe you need a better understanding of Ohm's law. The 85 would be about 100km short on range for your quoted day trip. So we're talking 10 or 15 minutes of charging. You saved 60 euros on fuel, go get a coffee and check you email.

On your needing to plan. This is the 21st century. You put the address in the car's GPS and the car will tell you if you'll make it and offer to route you to a charge station on the way if you won't. My LEAF does this and the Tesla is way more advanced.


By BabelHuber on 4/24/2014 3:24:55 AM , Rating: 2
Do you drive an average of about 1000km per week with your Leaf?

Sometimes to rural areas where there are no chargers?

Of course if you don't drive much electric cars are an alternative. When you drive as much as I do, they ar not.


By atechfan on 4/24/2014 7:02:04 AM , Rating: 2
I've been saying for a long time that EVs are viable alternatives to city commuter cars. But they are useless to rural people. Unfortunately, the debate seems to be all or nothing. The EV proponents seem to think ICE based cars need to go, and the anti-EV crowd can see nothing good about them. The reality is in the middle. EVs are great in certain markets, but are not for everyone.


By Mint on 4/23/2014 2:53:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Secondly I value my time!
And yet you're here using your time to post comments on DailyTech.

How much do you value it? I have a hard time believing that you earn €240,000/yr, i.e. €120/h*2000h.

10 half-hour supercharger visits will earn you a solid €600 in gas savings. So take a day off work and enjoy your time!


By BabelHuber on 4/24/2014 3:20:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And yet you're here using your time to post comments on DailyTech.


Exactly. I prefer this to hanging around at chargers :-)

quote:
How much do you value it? I have a hard time believing that you earn €240,000/yr, i.e. €120/h*2000h.


I find it amusing that you obviously cannot see through the propaganda of Tesla and take their BS for granted.

My BMW has a 70l Diesel tank. 70l Diesel means an energy of about 677KWh.

Let's assume that the efficency is less than 1/3, so we generously calculate with only 200KWh energy which is available to move the car forward.

The Tesla has 85KWh, so not even half (and the car itself is more expensive)

A standard European socket-outlet has 1.5KW, so with 100% efficency it would take me about 57h to fully load the 85KWh battery when it's completely depleted (Ohm's law!).

OTOH I can fill the tank of my car in a few minutes.

Sure, there are special chargers, but few and far between. A filling station is around every corner - and superiour to any charger anyways.

If you want to live with such side-effects, fine. Buy a Tesla. I don't and hence I won't.


By Dug on 4/25/2014 12:43:18 AM , Rating: 2
Being a minority that wants to travel so much it's understandable that you wouldn't want a car like a Tesla no matter how good it is.

Luckily 99% of us don't have to travel that far for work, and if we do, we move to be closer. No one spends that much time on the road and can be happy.

Maybe you should move. I'm sure you'll say you can't and that's not reasonable. Neither is spending that much time on the road.


By flyingpants1 on 4/23/2014 1:41:11 AM , Rating: 2
There are ~15 million new cars sold in the USA each year. By the time Tesla makes up even 0.03% of the market, these problems will be solved. Don't worry about it.


By syslog2000 on 4/22/2014 6:06:05 PM , Rating: 2
I have owned a BMW and a pair of Mercs. My current car is a Merc. My next car will be a Tesla. Why?

- Looks great and is luxurious.
- Performance. Zero to 60 in <4 seconds on p85 model, instant torque on all models.
- Reliability. It does not need as much service as an ICE car.
- Fits my usage pattern. I don't take unplanned 500km trips.

It may not work for you, but it obviously works for a lot of people.

On a separate note, loved both my mercs. Hated my BMW. It ran great... when it ran. The unreliability coupled with the dark, austere interior turned me off BMWs. The current crop looks better but I would not want to own a BMW out of warranty.


By BabelHuber on 4/23/2014 5:23:56 AM , Rating: 2
Well I need my car for business use. Privately I do not drive much.

So of course a car is leased for 3 years, then i get a new one.

As I said I do not intend to hang around at chargers, further further limiting my free time.

To each its own


All they have is FUD
By mike8675309 on 4/22/2014 11:47:08 AM , Rating: 2
The current automakers can only compete with Tesla using FUD. Tesla could easily be your only car if you are living in the right part of the country.
It has amazing range when compared to every other plug in electric currently available. You get that via the cost allowing for more KWH storage than others and their engineering providing extremely high efficiency. Add in free fast charging at supercharger sites and the Tesla is easily a car that could be the only one you own.




RE: All they have is FUD
By atechfan on 4/22/2014 12:04:03 PM , Rating: 1
Couldn't be my only car. Range is not the issue. Carrying capacity is. Unless Tesla is going to get into the truck and van market, there are millions of people they will never be suitable for.


RE: All they have is FUD
By aliasfox on 4/22/2014 1:11:15 PM , Rating: 2
The Tesla S supposedly carries 7 (two jump seats in the hatch), and the next model is a true 7-8 seat CUV.

No one model car is going to cater to all the people all of the time, but the Tesla S can cater to a very large number of people, most of the time. That's a pretty good start for a company on their first vehicle.


RE: All they have is FUD
By atechfan on 4/22/2014 1:26:28 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I didn't know about the jump seats until I went to the website. That is something I haven't seen in a while. They used to be popular in the domestic road-yacht station wagons when I was a kid. The Model S looks a lot more attractive knowing those are there. To bad it is so expensive.


RE: All they have is FUD
By Spuke on 4/22/2014 5:25:19 PM , Rating: 2
I'm hoping I can pick one up used in about 10 years to use as a commuter (if Tesla is still around). Used 2013 60kWh models are asking $70-$80K (sell price is lower of course) now so they should be plenty cheap by then.


RE: All they have is FUD
By Mint on 4/22/2014 6:00:23 PM , Rating: 2
This is something people overlook with luxury cars.

My first car was 6 years old when I bought it at 1/5th of MSRP. Cars last 15+ years, and even if a plugin is a "toy for the rich" right now, over half its life will be spent as a low-cost-per-mile vehicle for a regular family.


RE: All they have is FUD
By Bubbacub on 4/22/2014 6:57:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah that lithium battery pack is going to be soooo useful in ten years time!

Given the entirely predictable and overall in the scheme of things, fairly rapid loss of battery life I can see second hand prices crashing once the car is more than two or three years old.


RE: All they have is FUD
By Mint on 4/22/2014 7:26:34 PM , Rating: 2
Hey everybody, let's make ignorant statements about topics we don't know jack about!

A study on the Tesla roadster has shown battery life to be 85% after 100,000 miles, and that's with older battery technology. A 200-mile battery will only go through the equivalent of 700 full cycles in 10 years, which is a piece of cake for modern batteries. Panasonic put out a paper showing 2000 half-cycles with 90%+ life remaining for cells with the chemistry as those sold to Tesla.

Even at 50% capacity, a 60kWh Tesla will have more range than a brand new i3, and we won't get to that point until well after 200k miles.

I'll bet anything that a 10-year old Model S will have a lot more value than a 10-year old 7-series that needs $2500/yr in fuel to run and has obscene maintenance costs.


RE: All they have is FUD
By flyingpants1 on 4/23/2014 2:05:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Given the entirely predictable and overall in the scheme of things, fairly rapid loss of battery life I can see second hand prices crashing once the car is more than two or three years old.


Really? It was released in June 2012, so the price is going to crash in 2 months? Lol

Anyway, the guaranteed resale value is 50%.


RE: All they have is FUD
By Nutzo on 4/22/2014 5:17:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It has amazing range when compared to every other plug in electric currently available.


True, but the range is poor compared to most ICE and Hybrids. 90% of the time, even the 80-100 mile range of the Leaf would be ok, the big problem is the other 10%.

Even if the electricity is free, it's alot cheaper to drive my Camry Hybrid. I could buy over 40 years of gas for the difference in price.


Old school thought process
By dsx724 on 4/22/2014 10:00:13 AM , Rating: 2
Teslas don't need as much maintenance so his argument carries little weight. If the vehicle's service interval is 4-5 time longer, there's little need for a dealer every 20 miles. You can have one guy that drives directly to people's homes and perform the service necessary.




RE: Old school thought process
By michael67 on 4/22/2014 12:02:19 PM , Rating: 3
Do you have any idea how big Daimler AG and the other are?

Daimler AG
Revenue €114.297 billion (2012)
Operating income €8.615 billion (2012)
Profit €6.495 billion (2012)
Total assets €162.978 billion (2012)
Total equity €45.51 billion (2012)

VW Group
Total assets €323.4 billion (2013)

Toyota motors
Total assets US$ 377.281 billion

General Motors
Total assets US$ 166.34 billion (2013)

Ford Motor Company
Total assets US$202.02 billion (2013)

Ware all the big boys count there money in billions, Tesla Motors still has to do it in millions.

Tesla Motors
Revenue US$2,013 million (2013)
Operating income US$-61 million (2013)
Net income US$-74 million (2013)
Total assets US$2,417 million (2013)
Total equity US$667 million (2013)

The company has 2.5 in assets, and over a half a billion in debt/invested money, if the big boys really start to move what is Tesla gone do?

Even if they make the perfect lineup of EV's, they just cant produce them, and even if they manage to get enough money to ramp-up production facilities, the organizational nightmare will stop them from growing fast enough.

Yeah but MS, Apple and Google had no suds problems!

First of all a car production plant is not the same as renting more office space, logistics is a bigger nightmare then most people think.

Second designing a good high unit count production line is not something you can do in just a couple of years, you need way more complex automated production lines.
A premium car like the Model S allows for more handwork, as there is a bigger margin, but or normal production cars the marges are to low to do that.
media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2013/04/tesla- factory-model-s-electric-cars-9994.jpg.662x0_q100_c rop-scale.jpg

So yeah i also think that Mr Cannon is right, the big boys are coming, they just need a bid more time then a smal flexible company, but once on a role, there is for Tesla little can do to stop them, from out prizing and out build them, till Tesla margins are so low that Mr Musk has to sell (give) his toy Tesla to one o the big boys, as the brand name it self will have value.

Disclamer: i am a happy owner of a Tesla Model S, as the tax credit and lower import tax here in Norway makes them real good value to buy them.

And a EV for a fast driver like me is a dream to drive, and i hope that Tesla will prosper, i just think they will be steamrolled over by the big boys


Norway with Only 4.5m people is Nr3 of Tesla car owners:
teslamotors.com/it_CH/forum/forums/which-countrie s-do-have-most-reservations-holders-and-buyers-tesl a-roadster-tesla-model

You have to copy/paste the links because of the crappy broken spam-filter let me not post them.


RE: Old school thought process
By 1prophet on 4/22/2014 4:05:16 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry the big boys are not coming because they will have to compete against themselves and the entrenched corporate bureaucracy which requires SERVICE & PARTS after the sale, preferably at the dealer.

It's called disruptive innovation and it has taken down more than one unsinkable ship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disruptive_innovation

quote:
A disruptive innovation is an innovation that helps create a new market and value network, and eventually disrupts an existing market and value network (over a few years or decades), displacing an earlier technology. The term is used in business and technology literature to describe innovations that improve a product or service in ways that the market does not expect, typically first by designing for a different set of consumers in a new market and later by lowering prices in the existing market.


RE: Old school thought process
By ppi on 4/22/2014 5:47:53 PM , Rating: 2
Dealer's profits for post-sale care do not contribute to carmaker's profits.

Carmakers will make whatever they believe will sell well with profit for them. Dealers will then advertise and try to sell what makes most profit for them.

Sure, there *IS* corporate politics involved to a great extent. Part of it is risk management - you do not want to spend ton of R&D money on risky product (in this context unproven track record), unless you are willing to write it off as PR (e.g. for Nissan both Leaf and GT-R kind of serve that purpose).

But I happen to remember all carmakers making EVs on all the shows 2-3 years ago, so it had to have internal support. Now nobody mentions it anymore and the only sensible products coming out of that EV-craze are Tesla S and BMW i3 (no, Nissan Leaf is not sensible product).


RE: Old school thought process
By Mint on 4/23/2014 3:18:29 PM , Rating: 2
Automakers sell parts to dealers, so yes, it does directly automaker profits. Indirectly, dealers prefer to sell higher maintenance cars, and won't point out running costs and downsides of gas cars because that's 99% of their business.

The EVs you speak of at car shows in the past were generally funded by publicity/marketing divisions. They weren't not serious engineering efforts.

I think Tesla will dominate pure EV sales. They have:
-a technology head start
-no entrenched dealer interests
-no internal resistance
-a supercharger network that charges way faster than other standards
-an ultra-high volume battery factory in the works

The big boys will go after PHEV.


Mr Cannon - Do you understand how a Tesla works?
By Dr of crap on 4/22/2014 10:48:54 AM , Rating: 1
They don't NEED maintenance.
Its ALL electric.

They also offer 3 battery options, they do not offer engines.
So what is it you think they should offer??




By atechfan on 4/22/2014 12:01:44 PM , Rating: 2
Don't need maintenance? So electric cars have no tires? No brakes? No struts and springs? Electric motors never break down? There is a lot more to car maintenance than spark plugs and oil changes. Electrics are not immune to it all.


By wordsworm on 4/22/2014 12:13:57 PM , Rating: 2
The things you're bringing up there is infrastructure for already. Tesla does not need to set up shops for tires, brakes, etc. It's the stuff that regular service companies don't carry that would prove to be problematic. I have an old beater Toyota. It doesn't mean I have to go to Toyota to get it fixed. Why would I have to take a Tesla to a Tesla dealer for a fix?


By atechfan on 4/22/2014 1:23:18 PM , Rating: 2
OK, I misunderstood. I thought he was trying to claim that it did not need maintenance. In light of what was said about dealer service shops, it makes more sense.


By wordsworm on 4/23/2014 12:54:42 AM , Rating: 2
There is the undeniable fact that an electric motor is superior to a combustion engine. You won't need to service regular oil changes or have to replace a muffler. After 5-10 years you might want to change the battery, and yes tires and shocks and wiper fluid will still need to be changed, but there are a lot of reasons why it will require less care.


Mercedes maintanace
By siconik on 4/22/2014 10:14:57 AM , Rating: 3
LOL, maybe Mercedes should pick up a few pointers from Tesla on how to make a car that is not cost-prohibitive to maintain off-warranty even for the many rather wealthy people who bought it.




RE: Mercedes maintanace
By Flunk on 4/22/2014 11:06:56 AM , Rating: 2
The day the German car companies learn how to do that is the day the world ends.


RE: Mercedes maintanace
By retrospooty on 4/22/2014 11:13:01 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... But I think "learn" is the wrong word here. It's that way as a conscious choice, not something that happened out of lack of knowledge.


Cannon saya Tesla outlook is poor?
By mnsear on 4/22/2014 12:48:42 PM , Rating: 2
And where in this article does he say that?




By grant3 on 4/22/2014 5:49:32 PM , Rating: 2
Why would Dailytech authors let "facts" get in the way of a fallacious click-bait headline?


By SublimeSimplicity on 4/22/2014 10:25:24 AM , Rating: 2
Mercedes needs multiple powertrain options because in the ICE world you can either have powerful or efficient, but not both. So you need a range of options for people to weigh those two. Tesla can offer both in one option. Price, well... that still needs work.




Sour grape!
By Roy2001 on 4/23/2014 12:23:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
EV maker has "no network" and operates "little shops that don’t have service capability

Oh yeah, Mercedes must maintain the service network, so we can pay more than $100 for just oil change. That's very good customer service.

Wait a seconds, do we need to change oil, maintain transmission with Tesla?




yeah yeah
By zephyrprime on 4/23/2014 2:15:18 PM , Rating: 2
They definitely have a niche among the rich green crowd which is actually a lot of money. If mercedes is worth $25 Billion, then Tesla could be worth some real money. Of course, tesla is already worth $25.6 which is really fricken immature for a company with it's rather meager earnings. The mercedes guy is right that people who buy tesla need multiple cars but those people already had multiple cars anyway long before tesla ever existed.




Blah blah
By Makaveli on 4/23/2014 4:27:13 PM , Rating: 2
Put up or shut up Mercedes.

You have all they money and are huge and now you decide this is an important market. Why were they not on this 5-10 years ago.

Don't complain about someone leading that market when you did nothing about it and just watched.




Tucker or Tesla
By jt2076 on 4/24/2014 5:46:16 PM , Rating: 2
Tesla is the new Tucker.. hopefully it's fate is different.




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