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The iPhone is now America's best selling phone, becoming the first smart phone to top the list. It knocked off Motorola's Razr, which held the top spot for three straight years (12 quarters).  (Source: MSNBC)
The trendy iPhone continues to surpass sales expectations despite its share of problems

Love it or hate it, it’s hard to deny that Apple is the king of brand image.  As the days of the classic iPod wane, the iPhone is quickly assuming its place atop the Apple product line as the king of trendy.

Since its inception, the device has met with mostly rave reviews.  While it frustratingly lacks many seemingly easy-to-implement features, the overall package was and still is, to a large extent, arguably ahead of its competitors in several key categories including the user interface.  The perks led TIME magazine to name it the invention of the year for 2007.

Apple CEO Steve Jobs, who is listed on the iPhone patent as one of the device's inventors, has been thrilled with sales.  He and his company were pleased that the reception for the latest iteration of the device, the iPhone 3G, remained warm despite a number of various problems, including reception issues.

Now the Mr. Jobs has something else to gloat about -- his device has become the best selling phone in America

Days ago, the iPhone passed an important metric, knocking Blackberry off as the top smart phone in terms of customer satisfaction among business users.  Now the phone as achieved an even loftier accolade, dethroning Motorola's Razr as the best-selling phone in America for Q3 2008.

The new data, coming from NPD (the leading wireless research firm), represents the first time in 3 years that the best-selling Razr failed to top the list.

The NPD reports that overall, cell phone sales are down 15 percent.  Despite this and a sagging economy, the iPhone was able to seize the lead.  This also comes despite the fact that the overall iPhone price with the service plan factored in was raised with the release of the iPhone 3G.

Obviously, love it or hate it, the chic iPhone is king of the smartphone jungle for the time being.  RIM, Google and others may try to knock it off, but in the end it is Apple that did what these competitors could not -- make the first smartphone to become the best selling cell phone in America.



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but..
By omnicronx on 11/10/2008 3:44:18 PM , Rating: 5
Apple only has 1 phone.. Their Marketshare is still only 2.3% worldwide for sales during Q3.. I understand this is big news that the iPhone is now the number one seller, but you should have also pointed out that these numbers are skewed by the fact that every other manufacturer has more than one phone for sale.. Nokia is still dominating the market with 40% marketshare, which includes a bunch of smartphones. Also One would have to imagine that RIM would does not follow closely behind Apple when you add up all their sales.

In fact every single major player in the phone industry has at least 3 times the marketshare that Apple has. This news is just as important as the 'Apple is now second in laptop sales', even though their marketshare is still tiny compared to PC.




RE: but..
By xti on 11/10/2008 3:57:25 PM , Rating: 2
yeah..but can the nokia make lightsaber sounds when you wave it around??


RE: but..
By omnicronx on 11/10/2008 4:00:48 PM , Rating: 5
RE: but..
By StevoLincolnite on 11/10/2008 4:40:54 PM , Rating: 3
My old Nokia 3220 could make light saber sounds also, plus you could also do "Wave Messaging" - Where you move the phone in the air to display a message in the air.


RE: but..
By paulovix on 11/10/08, Rating: -1
RE: but..
By omnicronx on 11/10/2008 4:46:51 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
You're missing the point.
Obviously you are missing my point, I think its great that the iPhone has sold this well, it has forced other cell phone companies into action, and we will have better phones because of this.

But Mick never mentioned what you are saying in the article, he is going off on a rant of how the iphone is the smartphone king, when in reality, both Nokia, RIM, and all WinMo phones together, all have a higher marketshare than Apples, they just have more than one phone.

I think the iPhones success is great, but this article makes it out as though they are dominating world sales, which in reality they are not, they are the best selling phone, not brand.


RE: but..
By othercents on 11/10/2008 5:49:07 PM , Rating: 1
No they are not dominating all phones sold, but hell how can you compete with all those 80+ year old people who purchased phones 5 years ago and still use them today? BTW. they are all Nokia.

However the number of phones sold and them being able to be on the top of the market with only ATT selling the phone is surprising. I saw many people say that the iPhone wouldn't sell that well because no one wanted to use ATT. I guess more than a few people didn't care if it was ATT and only wanted the phone.

Other


RE: but..
By Targon on 11/11/2008 8:51:02 AM , Rating: 3
When you compare sales to sales, you CAN compare. The sales figures do not take the existing phones into account.

Motorolla and LG really are showing up out there a LOT these days, Nokia is also there but isn't nearly as dominant as they once were.

Now, there is always the "cool" factor, but if you look at the competition, it won't be long before there is a product that will beat the iPhone. It is even possible that an Android based phone will really make a big splash, or even a Palm phone once NOVA comes out.


RE: but..
By Quiescent on 11/12/2008 3:38:50 AM , Rating: 3
Pffft. Screw that, I'm getting a G1. I have been waiting for this badboy! And no, not people 80+ years old are buying Nokia phones anyways. They usually just get the freebies. While young, fresh, and hippidy hoppidy people, who are smart, are getting phones that may not be popular but functionality is what they're looking for, and they know that by going with Nokia, they don't have to worry whether Steve Jobs thinks the software they want isn't what they really want.


RE: but..
By tdawg on 11/10/2008 5:49:23 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't the argument that the iPhone is the #1 selling smartphone, not that Apple is the #1 smartphone supplier? The iPhone can very well be the #1 selling smartphone, but RIM may have sold more total smartphones, none of which individually sold better than the iPhone.

The title alone clarifies that we are discussing the sales of an individual phone, not a companies entire line of phones.


RE: but..
By michael2k on 11/10/2008 6:09:12 PM , Rating: 1
Except they are!

Worldwide the iPhone outsells all RIM, WinMo, Palm, and HTC smartphones: http://blogs.zdnet.com/cell-phones/?p=229

1: Nokia at 38%
2: Apple at 17%
3: RIM at 15%
4: Motorola and HTC with a little less than 6% each

I've read also this means is that Apple has moved past WinMo, as well!


RE: but..
By omnicronx on 11/10/2008 11:44:43 PM , Rating: 2
Those are smartphone sales, we all know you are an Apple fan michael, no need to preach...

quote:
Apple took 2.3 per cent of the market during Q3 2008 - not bad for a company that wasn't even a player in this arena 18 months ago. That put it in sixth place, behind LG (7.6 per cent), Motorola (8.4 per cent), Sony Ericsson (8.5 per cent), Samsung (17.1 per cent) and Nokia (38.9 per cent).


RE: but..
By michael2k on 11/10/2008 6:04:29 PM , Rating: 2
Like to like:
Nokia has slightly less than 40% marketshare in the last quarter and Applie has slightly more than 17% marketshare when you look only at smartphones:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/cell-phones/?p=229

In the same article, RIM only has 15.2%

That is only counting smartphones since Apple doesn't make "normal" phones.

And... Apple marketshare is no longer tiny compared to PC. In the US at least they are just about 10%, 3rd behind Dell and HP. Worldwide it may take then a couple more years before this is also true, but there is no reason to expect them not to.


RE: but..
By retrospooty on 11/11/2008 8:38:15 AM , Rating: 2
"Apple marketshare is no longer tiny compared to PC. In the US at least they are just about 10%, 3rd behind Dell and HP. Worldwide it may take then a couple more years before this is also true, but there is no reason to expect them not to. "

Actually all the much hyped growth in the past 2 years has bought them from 5% to about 8%.


RE: but..
By michael2k on 11/11/2008 11:50:29 AM , Rating: 2
Um, Gartner says 9.5%: http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=777613

IDC says 9.1%, though I can't find a publication on their site, both are higher than 8% you refer to but don't cite, and significantly closer to 10% than you might like :)


RE: but..
By retrospooty on 11/11/2008 4:26:37 PM , Rating: 2
Based on what? Percentage of computers used, or percentage of computers sold in that quarter? There is a difference.

Either way, point taken. Apple is slowly increasing marketshare... Which is a good thing for both Apple and PC users.


RE: but..
By michael2k on 11/12/2008 12:22:09 PM , Rating: 2
Percentage of computers sold in that quarter. I would be seriously surprised if Apple could top 10% without lowering prices however.


Overated IPwn
By SR81 on 11/10/2008 6:55:52 PM , Rating: 2
HTC Touch Pro > IPwn

I've mostly seen the ladies sporting them. Like most Apple products they're more like fashion accesories.




RE: Overated IPwn
By michael2k on 11/10/2008 7:06:36 PM , Rating: 2
It better be greater than an iPhone... it was released a year and a half later! It would be very disappointing if it was merely as good as an iPhone.

Of course, it still doesn't sport built in storage the way an iPhone does (16GB max vs 512MB).


RE: Overated IPwn
By spartan014 on 11/11/2008 2:55:19 AM , Rating: 3
And what does that storage amount to other than only to be used with iTunes? With any other phone, you can expand the memory to your liking and use it for storing any type of data you want..


RE: Overated IPwn
By michael2k on 11/11/2008 11:43:06 AM , Rating: 2
Um, how about movies, photos, and music you own, outside of iTunes? Or Apps downloaded from iTunes? Email attachments and documents? Ringtones, Etc?

The storage amount is crucial to the purpose of the device. It defines a minimum capability available to all iPhones, and therefore the uses of all iPhones.

With any other phone, because storage is not guaranteed, built in, nor designed for, the included music, movie, data, and photo applications tend to be of reduced quality because they aren't designed to handle 160GB of data (which was the largest iPod ever offered).


RE: Overated IPwn
By robinthakur on 11/11/08, Rating: -1
RE: Overated IPwn
By Enoch2001 on 11/11/2008 4:28:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
..even watching somebody on the train the other day painfully using his stylus to try and use a touch pro, I was amazed that anyone still buys them.


Yikes - people still use a stylus? Are they from the past?


By mondo1234 on 11/10/2008 3:46:20 PM , Rating: 1
By omnicronx on 11/10/2008 3:59:32 PM , Rating: 5
Pfft, that comparison is stupid, they compare failure rates over 2 years for every other phone, but 1 year for the iPhone.

Sometimes I wonder how much these people (including JD) are paid off, or if they think people just won't notice. I mean this is a reliability test, in which the timeframe for the test results is probably one of the most important pieces of this kind of study. Are they stupid?

Statistical data is pretty much useless unless they are going to measure with the same time frame. And to make matters worse, it is pretty obvious Apples numbers are bound to get worse, as the battery is not removable, and it has the largest touch screen in the industry.

If I wanted an article that uses 'speculated numbers' I would go find an engaget or inquirer article on the subject.
Or perhaps every hardware vendor should start copying this model, how about 'speculated reliability numbers' before the product even comes out!.. which is just about as useful as this article..


By dflynchimp on 11/10/2008 9:44:59 PM , Rating: 2
It's called PR, it's always a case of money-making trumphing truth, or in layman's term, the truthiness is what matters.


Does ATT push advertising on thier network?
By mondo1234 on 11/10/2008 3:42:36 PM , Rating: 2
I guess I didn't realize that the Google phone was going to do that. Even worse, MS is bargaining with VZ to push the advertising on Verizons Network. The only thing worse than getting advertising for free is having to pay for it. If ATT doesn't push advertising, I might as well just move over from Verizon. My contract is almost up.




By AlexWade on 11/10/2008 4:44:09 PM , Rating: 2
AT&T will deliver free text to try to get you to subscribe to certain features from time to time. They haven't done this in a long time, so it is very rare.


Way to go iPhone
By theapparition on 11/10/2008 3:38:02 PM , Rating: 2
You've now passed the sales in Q3 against a 3-4year old design.
Woot!

/sarcasm

Anyone ever hear of market saturation? The iPod has pretty much hit that status and current sales have really stagnated. So too is the Razr. They've sold so many of those things, no wonder sales have dropped off. It's by far been the most popular and best selling phone model. It's rapid drop off the top phone list only confirms that.




Changing The Subject Slightly...
By xphile on 11/10/2008 6:20:39 PM , Rating: 2
Look at that main picture - hasnt that gotta be the world's best "Look What I Just Pulled Out Of My Ass" grin lol.




Tempted but..
By xeroshadow on 11/10/2008 7:39:13 PM , Rating: 2
I could never justify purchasing the data package in addition to the phone. Not to mention I do not want another contract. I get enough access at work and home. Controlling ITunes via the IPhone was a cool feature, just not $40/month(or whatever it costs) cool.




RE: Tempted but..
By michael2k on 11/10/08, Rating: 0
Meet my new attitude....
By marvdmartian on 11/12/2008 10:12:49 AM , Rating: 2
about anything Apple related........the iDon'tgiveacrap!!




Of course it does.
By SiliconAddict on 11/10/2008 10:38:11 PM , Rating: 1
All you need to do to make a prod sell is put an Apple on it. Doesn't matter if its a buggy POS or not. Its teh trendy so it will sell.
Personally I don't give a shit. I want to do things with my smartphone, not look trendy and get bogged down by Apple restrictions. Think different my ass. Today's motto for Apple is Think Conformist.




How the...
By LorKha on 11/10/08, Rating: -1
RE: How the...
By Spivonious on 11/10/08, Rating: -1
RE: How the...
By theapparition on 11/10/2008 3:56:21 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Yeah, I've heard the "RAZR" is a pretty bad phone.

And I've heard that Vista sucks, that a Chrysler can't go 10 miles without replacing a transmission, that global warming will turn Antartica into a tropical paradise, and that Obama is a muslim and McCain is just the same as Bush.

Doesn't mean any of that is true.

My wife has a Razr (pink of course), its been the best phone by far that she's owned. Is it the best phone out there, how the hell would I know........, but from personal experience, it's not a bad phone by any stretch of the imagination.


RE: How the...
By Spivonious on 11/10/08, Rating: 0
RE: How the...
By UppityMatt on 11/10/2008 4:48:05 PM , Rating: 5
well i have also "heard" that 80% of all statistics are made up.


RE: How the...
By BruceLeet on 11/10/2008 5:04:17 PM , Rating: 3
Ive heard my share of irony for the day


RE: How the...
By quiksilvr on 11/10/2008 8:25:07 PM , Rating: 2
RANDOM FACT 1259: No one cares if your experience was different, it doesn't make it a legitimate counter argument!


RE: How the...
By omnicronx on 11/10/2008 4:51:00 PM , Rating: 5
.. you know someone is making up a figure when they use a fraction like 5/10.... I can pretty much guarantee you that 1/2 RAZR's are not returned.


RE: How the...
By Diesel Donkey on 11/10/2008 5:20:52 PM , Rating: 2
I believe the ratio 5/10 was something used to make it easier to visualize. For example, you wouldn't usually say that 1 out of 2 people were dissatisfied. You might be more likely to say that 5 out of every 10 people were dissatisfied. In this case, though, I think that 5/10 is a bit silly since most people can visualize 1/2 pretty easily.


RE: How the...
By gochichi on 11/10/2008 7:51:02 PM , Rating: 3
Haha! Well said.

I had a RAZR that I lost, it was a very good PHONE. It was supposed to be "fancy" at the time I got it but it was really just a good basic phone (it had the fundamentals done well, and it looked and felt good in your pocket). Using it was like using a land line... it was just good as a PHONE. Not a PDA, not as a calculator, or as an internet device. It was a good phone.

I've noticed that "smart" phones have really taken over the market. I have noticed this much more so than the iPhone per say being the number one phone. When the Razor was king it was obvious, everyone had one, I mean everyone. With so many smart phones out there it's not so surprising that the iPhone is tops because it is relatively unique.

I mean, my T-Mobile Shadow (which I like for the most part, it certainly fits my needs better than an iPhone would) is a Windows Mobile phone, not too different to the Dash, the Wing, and the other 15 windows smart phones out there. So I am sure that Windows Mobile phones are up there in numbers, it's just a lot easier to taylor fit them to your needs. I for one, wouldn't want a full blown stylus and keyboard style phone. If getting a Windows Mobile phone was as cutthroat as the iPhone's one size fits all, then I think they would have the king of the hill.

If the iPhone makes you happy, then good for you. I personally can't stand it, I can't stand the brand actually (bad experiences, and bad attitudes abound in Apple-land). I need something that can be worked fully with one hand, and to me the touch screen business is a fake holy grail.

You can really see how gimmicky touch screens are when you look at the iPhone wannabes. Phones should have buttons IMHO.... and few of them.

I bet MacBooks are probably some of the top selling notebook models, but again, you run into the situation that I can buy two 13" laptops from Dell alone, not to mention the bevy of 13" models from Sony, HP, Lenovo, and so on. Oh the irony, you actually get something that's not at all unique with Apple... it's this one authoritarian choice. Like it or leave it (I chose leave it these days).


RE: How the...
By robinthakur on 11/11/2008 8:58:06 AM , Rating: 2
LOL I remember when the RAZR was a prestige phone when it first came out. The OS was hideous but you are absolutely right about the calls, it was at least reliable. Re smartphones, even MS people I've spoken to don't like using WiMo and freely admit that the iPhone is revolutionary in its UI. Before I used the iPhone I would agree with you on the touch screen, but the type of touch used is very different to that used on Wimo phones from HTC/rebranded HTC as they are capacitive Touch screens and far more sensitive/precise/practical. I can't imagine having no butons on a Wimo device, it would just be a tortuous exercise trying to use it (especially with a finger lol) but despite my initial lack of faith, the iPhone works well, (to the disappointment of some people) and has been very successful because of this. With my last Wimo phone, quite often, you wanted to scream into a pillow, it was so frustrating to use. Wifi was hit and miss, 3G disconnected most calls within 2 mins (it made revision 1 of the iPhone 3G seem really decent by comparison!), the menu system was too fiddly to use reliably as the touch screen varied in sensitivity and the build quality left alot to be desired. I had two WiMo's and neither really seemed to reach the potential which their specs and the reviews claimed they did. Say what you will about Apple, but they got the phone right pretty much first time, when how long has it taken MS to attempt to fix their OS?

WiMo could have been very successful, but I think the window has passed now where it is rapidly getting outpaced by things like Android and the iPhone OSX, and MS don't seem to want to fix it to something decent since Crossbow came out. Look at the latest Xperia SE phone for more evidence of this decline.


RE: How the...
By Oregonian2 on 11/11/2008 10:50:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I've noticed that "smart" phones have really taken over the market.


Have they really? Are more smart phones sold than non-smart phones? I'd be surprised that low-cost didn't win out over features.

Do things like Kindles count as smart phones or dumb phones? It has a EVDO data phone in it and many if not most buyers don't even know it's a phone at all (no microphone at all), it's just Amazon's "WhisperNet". More hidden because there is no contract, no payment at all to Sprint (network being used). There may be others like this I just don't know about (mother bought a Kindle for my birthday early last week). It's a secret as to how many sold, but apparently quite a few since Oprah gave it her blessing.


RE: How the...
By Entropy42 on 11/10/2008 6:23:37 PM , Rating: 2
I have a RAZR V3XX and it is a fantastic phone. I've read about complaints and problems with earlier versions of the phone, but Moto seems to have fixed a lot of that with this version. Some people complain about the battery life of the V3XX, but for my usage (and given the size of the display vs size of the phone) I find it perfectly reasonable. I can see how someone who uses the web browser a lot, etc, could have battery issues. But there is only so much you can expect from a phone with those specs and dimensions.


RE: How the...
By Omega215D on 11/10/2008 8:14:02 PM , Rating: 2
One thing to remember is to take your phone to the carrier's store to see if your phone needs a software update. I've had my Razr update a couple of times and it's been reliable and trouble free for a couple of years now.


RE: How the...
By mmntech on 11/10/2008 3:35:33 PM , Rating: 3
The Razor was trendy with a lot of young women for a while. Seemed like every girl I knew in uni had one. I have an iPhone through Rogers/Fido. It's a pretty solid phone when it comes to web features. The phone part though... it keeps dropping calls. I suspect its an issue with Fido's service though and not the phone itself. Of course you can never get a hold of them to find out.


RE: How the...
By MarcLeFou on 11/10/2008 3:42:49 PM , Rating: 2
Fido/Rogers have horrible cell coverage.

You're much better off with Bell or Telus.


RE: How the...
By omnicronx on 11/10/2008 3:47:59 PM , Rating: 2
Its probably the phone.. Bell has better national coverage, but rogers is better in all urban areas. I used to get full signal with rogers in places that bell got little to none.
My guess is his problems are due to the 3G coverage, and the iPhones sub par reception.

I'm on Bell now by the way..


RE: How the...
By Tsuwamono on 11/10/2008 10:56:55 PM , Rating: 2
I love telus. 4 years so far and i have never once called and had bad customer service. yet i had to call for my friend who had rogers because he was too pissed off to talk to them and i called and waited on hold for an hour until they hung up, called again, got hung up on, called again got transfered to 5 different people and was put on hold for 20 minutes at a time(one was like 40 min actually) and then finally got someone who preceeded to call me an idiot. I called back a final time and finally got a Chris guy who was absolutely a god send. I asked for the manager and praised him up and down but told them id cancel my contract if the other guy wasnt fired aswell as the 3 other people in my family(actually my friends family but at this point im pretending to be my friend)

As for bell... Well i have had them swear up and down that everything is my fault for internet, phone, cellphone, TV etc. and only once was it actually on my end...

for me my loyalties are:

Cable: Videotron(in quebec)
Internet: www.b2b2c.ca(awesome tech support.. amazing prices)
Phone: Telus
Home Phone: Videotron


RE: How the...
By vapore0n on 11/10/2008 3:39:18 PM , Rating: 2
Reason why the RAZR was #1 was because no other manufacturer put out a sleek, slim, light weight phone like motorolla did. Back then (5 yrs ago) it was a very nice phone.

Apple just did the same with the iphone. Its sleek, its handsome, its trendy. Fits their image too.


RE: How the...
By amanojaku on 11/10/2008 3:50:29 PM , Rating: 2
That, and the fact that the RAZR was/is available from every carrier, whereas most phones are locked into one. I would have an iPhone, despite the fact that it's overrated, if it was available from T-Mobile. All the current phones T-Mobile has sucks compared to my long lost, completely non-stylish, but functional and long-lasting Sony Ericsson T610. Since I can't get an iPhone I'm looking at the G1.


RE: How the...
By silversound on 11/10/2008 5:33:57 PM , Rating: 2
nokia phones are nice and drop proof, but they are kinda ugly. sony ericsson phone are better than samsungs...
iPhone is a pure invention from all other phone companines, now they all try to copy


RE: How the...
By Chocobollz on 11/12/2008 1:07:39 AM , Rating: 2
Drop proof? LOL! Now you made my laugh! Most of the Nokias I've ever seen are getting scratches all over their casing.. And no, I think it isn't Nokia, left alone Sony-Ericsson phones which is the most drop-proof phones, in my personal experiences, it was Siemens phone which have superb build quality. I bought my Siemens CT65 in 2003 for 100 bucks and its still alive and healthy now, despite the facts that I've been drop it for so many times! It even have dropped down the stair once, and yes, it still alive! LOL!

Well, I think that, all mid & low-end models from Nokias are junk ~_~ I have 1 Nokia here (Nokia 2112 CDMA) and I think it's junk too. Nokia cellphones is the worst when it comes to price/features and I think Siemens is the best in that area, followed by Samsung and then Sony-Ericsson.

And for Samsung, I have a Samsung SGH-J200 here and I can tell you that its better than W800 series and K800 series because my friends have it. The Samsung J200 even come close to the W810 sound quality. And for the camera quality, it surely better than the K800 despite its having only 1.3 MPx camera versus the 3.2 MPx camera on the K800. It maybe smaller in resolution but the quality.. when I compare the pics taken from my friend's K800 with the one from my J200, I started to think that the Cybershot brands is utterly BS LOL.


RE: How the...
By Staples on 11/10/2008 5:34:18 PM , Rating: 2
Given that mine was $50 with a plan, that is how. And you are right about it not being a good phone. I liked the Sanyo one I had before this better.


RE: How the...
By DarkElfa on 11/11/2008 2:42:20 PM , Rating: 2
Meet America's best selling operating system.

Windows. ;)


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