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Some say that Apple is behaving like a patent troll.  (Source: Peter Jackson/New Line Cinema)
One patent just wasn't enough, Netherlands declares U.S. patent garbage

Apple, Inc. (AAPL) has an interesting knack for convincing the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office to grant it patents on relatively obvious GUI actions/animations.  Two famous examples of that are the patented "scroll bounceback" animation that it's using to sue Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (SEO 005930) and the "swipe unlock" gesture/animation, which it is using to sue HTC Corp. (SEO:066570).

Now the kind folks at the USPTO have handed Apple another gift wrapped patent -- a second patent on swipe gesture unlocking.  U.S. Patent No. 8,046,721 redescribes what was already described in U.S. Patent No. 7,890,778, only this time with more words.

Apple delivers 11,700 words -- roughly 17 pages in size 10 Times New Roman font -- to describe what basically equates to "Drag your finger across the screen along the animated track, the touch API responds, recognizes the gesture, animates the slider, and unlocks when the drag is complete."

Apple unlocking patent
Apple is the master of unlocking, having received two patents on the simple gesture.
[Source: USPTO]

Again Apple has claimed ownership of all forms of swipe unlocking -- even the wide vertical drag down bar that HTC implements (which looks little like Apple's iOS tracked slider unlock).

Among those prominently listed on the patent is iOS chief Scott Forstall.  Viewed as a future CEO candidate, Mr. Forstall wears the same outfit to presentations and drives the same car as the late Steve Jobs.  Many describe the ruthless executive as a "mini Steve Jobs" and say he's now assumed Steve's former role of "Apple's chief A-hole."

You can witness late Apple CEO Steven P. Jobs bragging about the feature back in 2007 at the original iPhone's launch:


Mr. Jobs initiated a lawsuit crusade against Android handset makers, which Apple is continuing in his memory.  Mr. Jobs suggested that even if he wasted every bit of money Apple has ever made it would be worth it to destroy Android, commenting, "I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product."

In Mr. Jobs mind Android's "stealing" was wrong, but interestingly he often boasted of his own powers of idea theft.  Indeed he lifted the idea for his successful Mac operating system from Xerox Corp. (XRX)  He once bragged, "Picasso had a saying - 'Good artists copy, great artists steal.' And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."  

You can watch this for yourself here:


However, the USPTO's idea of validity doesn't fly in all countries.  A Dutch judge ruling on Apple's use of U.S. Patent 7,657,849 (the original unlocking patent) to try to ban sales of Samsung smartphones ruled the Apple patent was "obvious" (in Dutch he said it was "lying close at hand" -- literally "for the hand lying") and likely invalid.  He points out that Neonode Inc.'s (NEON) N1m -- launched in 2005 -- had a virtually identical unlocking feature, albeit with a different graphic.  

Neonode n1m
Apple lifted the unlock feature from NeoNode. [Source: FOSS Patents]

He also acknowledged a similar on-off use in Guitar Rig:

Guitar Rig
Guitar Rig -- 2004 [Source: Wikimedia Commons]

...as pointed out by Samsung's attorney's.  The guitar after-effects software was available back in 2004 -- three years before the first iPhone was released.  The judge complained that the Apple work was "not inventive" and suggested that the patent should be invalidated.

Samsung has removed one other minor GUI animation from its smartphones in the Netherlands, escaping a potential sales ban.  However, the threat of a ban in the U.S. where questionable patents hold greater power, still looms.

Source: USPTO



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Patent This
By RicheemxX on 10/26/2011 3:52:16 PM , Rating: 5
I have a finger gesture Apple can patent!!

This is seriously getting ridiculous. I don't necessarily blame Apple and other companies for filling these patents but come on. Its one thing to file something that is totally unique then sue over it. It's another to file a patent for something that is widely used and then stand up and say you magically invented it.

The people at the US patent office need to be fired. 99% off all the patents they've handed out in the past few decades invalidated and a new system put into place!!




RE: Patent This
By JasonMick (blog) on 10/26/2011 4:00:36 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I have a finger gesture Apple can patent!!

This is seriously getting ridiculous. I don't necessarily blame Apple and other companies for filling these patents but come on. Its one thing to file something that is totally unique then sue over it. It's another to file a patent for something that is widely used and then stand up and say you magically invented it.

Two of my personal favorites was IBM's patents on:
1.) Ignoring Lotus Notes (let's admit it, we're almost all in violation of this "invention"...)
2.) More efficient outsourcing.

Then there was the infamous "hot toast" and "swinging on a swing patents"...

Or how Microsoft's CEO is now cofounder of the world's biggest patent troll...
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/epi...

Ah U.S. intellectual property system how I love you.

Don't get me wrong. I think novel, non-obvious intellectual property is absolutely worth patenting. However, these days most are just using the system for their own abusive anticompetitive ends by patenting the obvious and non-novel and the USPTO folks are too clueless to notice and/or paid off in attorney positions when they leave.


RE: Patent This
By JasonMick (blog) on 10/26/2011 4:02:40 PM , Rating: 2
"Microsoft's CEO"-> Microsoft former CTO... gah no edit

(Nathan Myhrvold, is this chap's name for those curious)


RE: Patent This
By Mitch101 on 10/26/2011 5:54:35 PM , Rating: 2
LOL

I dont expect to get an edit button but I have a few Suggestions:

Mark as Spam Button although you manage well
E-mail me when someone responds to my comments
Any way to widen the screen so deep threads can be seen correctly?


RE: Patent This
By jvillaro on 10/26/2011 10:39:57 PM , Rating: 2
If they do that they could be sued for copying those features!


RE: Patent This
By Jaybus on 10/27/2011 7:16:50 AM , Rating: 2
They could also be sued because these replies are indented and organized in a tree structure.


RE: Patent This
By JonB on 10/27/2011 9:26:50 AM , Rating: 3
Can't get an Edit button. Apple owns that patent, too.
Jobs could edit; nobody else.


RE: Patent This
By jvillaro on 10/27/2011 6:07:30 PM , Rating: 2
Jobs didn't edit, he used his magical powers to convince everybody that he was correct


RE: Patent This
By croc on 10/26/2011 5:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
I think, Jason, if you actually read IBM's patent application 'for more efficient outsourcing' you'd change your tune slightly on that patent...

The 'making toast' patent, to me, was a very humorous fellow (bored enough and with enough dosh) taking the mickey out of the USPTO. As such, that patent SHOULD have caused a long overdue overhaul of US patent regulations, or perhaps the office's processes.


RE: Patent This
By Theoz on 10/26/2011 6:04:57 PM , Rating: 2
Should have and did (along with various other patents). See the KSR v. Teleflex decision by the Surpreme Court. The crazy patents simply don't happen as often now.


RE: Patent This
By MartyLK on 10/26/2011 9:44:30 PM , Rating: 3
Long live Apple! May they prosper and continue to be successful!

Umm...ooops...wrong room. Where was the "I'm for Apple" room


RE: Patent This
By priusone on 10/27/2011 1:41:47 PM , Rating: 2
It's actually down the street a bit. Just look for a rectangular building with swipe to unlock keycard access, lots of pictures with Steve teaching Jesus and koolaid fountains.


RE: Patent This
By semo on 10/27/2011 12:45:39 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting read (have no sound at work so had to read the transcript).

I always used to wonder why electric cars have not taken off earlier. I used to believe the conspiracy theories that the oil companies would make the inventors "disappear". I'm now convinced that the reason why we still have to drive stinky vibrating vehicles is because the oil companies own all the relevant patents and refuse to license them!


RE: Patent This
By Theoz on 10/26/2011 4:49:26 PM , Rating: 1
I note that the European patent office granted basically the same claims as the US office did. I think, if anything, this article proves that the USPTO was not that ridiculous in its determination. This is because it took presumably highly paid Samsung lawyers to find the correct invalidating art for Apple's European patent. Note that the Dutch judge did not invalidate the patent based on any printed publications that the patent office would have easy access to. The USPTO is dealing with a limited amount of time to examine each patent, unlike Samsung's lawyers that can spend as much time as Samsung will pay for. The inability of the patent office to find every piece of prior art is why we have courts make the final determination of validity.


RE: Patent This
By BZDTemp on 10/26/11, Rating: -1
RE: Patent This
By Theoz on 10/26/2011 6:26:53 PM , Rating: 5
May have just been trolled, but anyhow:
http://www.epo.org/ The European Patent Office grants patents that then must be validated in individual member countries (Germany, France, etc.) and enforced there. Your ignorance and refusal to google something is astounding.


RE: Patent This
By Strunf on 10/27/2011 7:42:22 AM , Rating: 2
I took them 6 years to have this patent approved, you can't honestly say they didn't have enough time.
I may be wrong but in Europe you can't patent stuff like this, actually I think you can't patent software at all.


RE: Patent This
By sprockkets on 10/26/2011 6:29:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The people at the US patent office need to be fired. 99% off all the patents they've handed out in the past few decades invalidated and a new system put into place!!


After going to this website it may generate in you and others the will to take matters into your own hand.

http://www.patentlyapple.com/

Hey look, it's the old Palm m100!

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2011/1...

Bastards.


RE: Patent This
By Omega215D on 10/27/2011 2:28:20 AM , Rating: 2
RE: Patent This
By semo on 10/27/2011 4:11:30 AM , Rating: 2
Oh it got ridiculous a long time ago. Apparently GM used to own some patents for NiMH car batteries... which they then sold to Texaco... and then all of the sudden the EV1 disappeared from the market.

Yeah, patents really encourage innovation. That is until you are sued for some lame patents by the big corps.


RE: Patent This
By bobsmith1492 on 10/27/2011 8:36:53 AM , Rating: 2
Well that's cool, I'm not sure what you're implying though. Interestingly enough, the EV1 used lead acid batteries and was a worthless piece of junk intended only for demonstration. That's why they scrapped it.


RE: Patent This
By Ytsejamer1 on 10/27/2011 9:36:35 AM , Rating: 2
You don't see the point of an oil company buying battery technology that could be used in automobiles and effectively putting it at the bottom of their portfolio, never to see the light of day? Ummm...ok.

I doubt the people who were bold enough to try the EV1 would agree with your statement that the cars were junk. After all, they never had to get more than a couple tire rotations for the couple years they were on the road.


RE: Patent This
By semo on 10/28/2011 3:53:26 AM , Rating: 2
The later EV1 models used NiMH batteries. The point is, big corps can control the markets and shape them to their advantage thanks to a handful of patents. How does that encourage innovation?

Why does LEGO own patents on various designs of plastic bricks when they only ever use one? If I was to ask you "How can I build a toy house", what brand other than LEGO would you suggest?


RE: Patent This
By dark matter on 10/28/2011 3:35:23 PM , Rating: 1
Funny, as there are loads of companies offering bricks, that actually clip on the same as Lego.

If it were AMERICAN Apple, no doubt they would have been granted an exclusive right for a "extended cube" in a "variety of different colours" and "varying textures suited to construction requirements"

FU America, all you have left is your shitty IP, that wasn't even yours.

The last stand of a failing empire, to claim restrictions on stuff that isn't even yours as a method of propping up you economy that is actually sucking the lifeblood out the average American as it's all funded by a select few bankers and politicians feeding bullshit into the populations minds.

I'd actually care for the Average if they bothered to care about their own history. You guys have the right to bear arms, isn't it time you realised WHY that is the case? It won't be long before you'll give that right up, and then you'll be as fucked as us Brits.


I've said it before....
By quiksilvr on 10/26/2011 3:41:47 PM , Rating: 5
I'll say it again. I had no respect for Steve Jobs when he was alive and that feeling has not changed. It is because of him that technology is a never ending milk fest. We only do good enough or just enough to get people by. And whenever a company tries to push beyond the norm, Apple shuns it, files lawsuits, and squashes its creativity.

Am I saying Apple is the only company that does this? No, of course not. Microsoft did this in the 90s and does this to a certain extent today. But at least they are letting the supposed patent infringements slide with a $10 fee and not crush it into oblivion.

Rot in Pieces, good sir.




RE: I've said it before....
By JasonMick (blog) on 10/26/2011 3:54:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'll say it again. I had no respect for Steve Jobs when he was alive and that feeling has not changed. It is because of him that technology is a never ending milk fest. We only do good enough or just enough to get people by. And whenever a company tries to push beyond the norm, Apple shuns it, files lawsuits, and squashes its creativity.

Watch out or Rupert Murdoch will fire you...
http://gawker.com/5652305/the-price-of-crossing-st...

How am I not surprised that Mr. Murdoch idolized Mr. Jobs dearly?


RE: I've said it before....
By Da W on 10/26/2011 4:21:32 PM , Rating: 2
Problem is that patents should be non-obvious . However, it's up to the court to rule the validity of a patent, meaning the USPTO can just give any patent to everybody, the court system will rule the bad ones out.

Of course this is a system designed by lawyers, meaning in works in dreamland where judges, lawyers and courtroom are in infinite supply and money rains from the sky.


RE: I've said it before....
By Piiman on 10/26/2011 4:50:47 PM , Rating: 4
I guess when you lay a 17 pages of pure gibberish it impresses them so much they just have to give you a patent.


RE: I've said it before....
By Jaybus on 10/27/2011 7:43:19 AM , Rating: 5
Your joke is not far from the truth. It is all about lawyers. By flooding the patent offices of the World with this nonsense, it essentially takes the patent offices out of play by sheer volume. This is what the lawyers want, because it forces all IP issues into court and guarantees an increase in the number of IP disputes. After all, lawyers make much more money going to court than reviewing patent submissions. Large corporations don't mind paying the lawyers, because only other large corporations can afford the lawyers, thus protecting them from the small company / individual inventors.

It creates a tech fuedal system, where rather than land being granted by the king, IP is granted to the feudal lords (Apple, MS, IBM, etc.) by the various governments. The programmers (peasants) who actually create the IP get only the "protection" of their feudal lord.


RE: I've said it before....
By FITCamaro on 10/26/2011 4:51:50 PM , Rating: 4
6

Apple is at the forefront of the idea of holding back innovation today. They don't like it when anyone else innovates. Next they'll patent the idea of actually pushing a button.


RE: I've said it before....
By Jaybus on 10/27/2011 7:48:03 AM , Rating: 2
Too late. Microsoft already got that one. See US Patent 6,727,830 granted in 2004.


RE: I've said it before....
By monitorjbl on 10/27/2011 12:04:07 PM , Rating: 2
For anyone that didn't feel like googling: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PT...


hope
By p05esto on 10/26/2011 5:22:47 PM , Rating: 4
I really hope no one who frequents DT is an Apple consumer, we should be standing for just the opposite of what Apple believes in and stands for. Apple turned into a greedy and nasty ass company over the last decade. Just like I want to slap idiots sitting at Starbucks typing on the MacBooks and drove their in their Pius I want to slap Apple for being lame. I would stand up pround in support of Microsoft a million times before siding with Apple. Companies like Apple have a large chip on their shoulders that doesn't belong there, it's time to knock them down - we ARE the consumers, WE have the power.




RE: hope
By Tony Swash on 10/26/11, Rating: -1
RE: hope
By Reclaimer77 on 10/26/2011 7:24:29 PM , Rating: 4
Apple's actions actually threaten the entire tech community. So I suggest you stop being Apple's little cock whore and open your eyes instead of your mouth.


RE: hope
By Solandri on 10/26/2011 7:44:11 PM , Rating: 5
The language is uncalled for, but this is essentially correct. This is a patent on a very simple gesture. What happens when someone else patents moving your finger up/down the screen to scroll up/down? Or quickly flicking an app up to close it like WebOS? Heck, if this is patentable, then Google should've been able to patent pulling down the notification drawer to expand it, with Apple being in violation.

By definition, anything you do on a touchscreen is a gesture. There are only a finite number of simple gestures, all of them obvious. If they're patentable, that makes touchscreens essentially useless. Eventually, you'd have to pay a license for every gesture used for every function on a touchscreen device.


RE: hope
By Reclaimer77 on 10/26/2011 11:14:55 PM , Rating: 3
In his case? I feel it's called for. Also agree with everything you just said.


RE: hope
By Tony Swash on 10/27/11, Rating: -1
RE: hope
By Pirks on 10/27/2011 12:53:45 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Microsoft created a world of ugly, shabby and third rate software that led to piss poor and disempowering computing experiences for countless millions of ordinary people
Is that why Windows is so dominating "user-friendly" Macs since like 20 years ago? Yeah Tony, you always had problems with logic. It's your main problem on this forum, actually.


RE: hope
By Tony Swash on 10/27/11, Rating: -1
RE: hope
By MechanicalTechie on 10/26/2011 8:11:32 PM , Rating: 2
Serious?!? are you like sponsored by Apple or own their shares... could you be any less of a Apple fan boy? So many times the bleeding oblivious of Apples misconduct, patent trolling, innovation blocking...or whatever and your ALWAYS run to their defence.. i mean why bother? Go back to your little world and be a clone like the rest of the world, I hear tutu's are coming back.. i'm sure you'll jump on that bandwagon too!


RE: hope
By Tony Swash on 10/27/11, Rating: -1
RE: hope
By MechanicalTechie on 10/27/2011 8:24:32 PM , Rating: 2
Wow... your truely deluded.

You seriously love Apple so much you can't even face facts... its quite sad.


RE: hope
By pandemonium on 11/3/2011 3:34:19 AM , Rating: 2
What's more admirable: the pursuit of living honorably happy or the pursuit of happiness driven by apathy?

If someone wants to make it a point to drive others away from purchasing a product from a shady company, then that's their prerogative as much as it is yours to say it's just a waste of their time. At least one of you will be influencing a strong moral code.


RE: hope
By priusone on 10/27/2011 6:33:08 PM , Rating: 2
I am somewhat of the 'tech go to' guy in my group, which is why all my buds either have androids, or are slowly upgrading to them. Sure, I get texts once in a while about 'how do you do this', or 'why is this happening', but nothing major.

About six months ago, I let a retired Marine use my Driod a few times to see what type of smart phone would be best for him (keyboard, no keyboard, form factor, etc). He kept tripping over everything in the OS. So, with a heavy heart, I pointed him towards Verizon and told him his best bet was an iPhone. Sure, I still feel bad for giving Apple one more sheep, but in his case, it was the right dicision.

But... at least Apple isn't letting Verizon polute their product with bloatware. I can't wait to throw ICS into my D3


heh
By TSS on 10/26/2011 4:38:21 PM , Rating: 4
Just posting for my own amusement, english speaking people trying to translate dutch words or grammer is just hilarious as a native to holland :p

quote:
(in Dutch he said it was "lying on the hand" in terms of "not far to seek")


I actually had to think here before i got it. You mean "Voor de hand liggend", which does translate to "obvious" in meaning. But litteral translation would be "For the hand lying". I always say it helps to think of dutch grammar as talking like yoda (saying this with star wars in the background too lol): We don't have Do and Don't. So a sentance "Do you have a flashlight?" becomes "have you a flashlight?" (heb jij een zaklamp).

Funnily enough there is no other contextual meaning as obvious but it has to be used in a sentance like: "it's obvious that" would translate to "het is voor de hand liggend dat" which would translate back, literaly, into: it is for the hand lying that".

Dutch is the hardest language on the planet for a reason. We've got exceptions for everything, even the exceptions!




RE: heh
By JediJeb on 10/26/2011 5:27:10 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds like Dutch is right up there with Russian. After talking to people from Russia online, I worry that I will end up talking in public the same way with the inverted grammar. Maybe the reason I understand them so well is I always liked Yoda :)


RE: heh
By BZDTemp on 10/26/2011 6:16:11 PM , Rating: 2
LOL - good post.

The weird thing that as a Dane knowing of course Danish and then German and English and a bit of a bunch of other languages then Dutch is sort of semi-readable. Understanding it when spoken is however a whole other issue :-)


RE: heh
By Mathos on 10/26/2011 8:28:01 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, english is the hardest language on the planet to learn. It's grammar is backwards compared to almost all of the romantic, or germanic languages. And there are so many words that sound the same but are spelled different, or are spelled similar but sound different. Would, and Wood for example. I actually understand dutch, and german grammar easier than I do english.

"Lying on the hand" to me would mean as obvious as the object in my hand. And that's even before you clarified it.


RE: heh
By sprockkets on 10/26/2011 10:21:19 PM , Rating: 2
Ever tried Russian or Chinese?


RE: heh
By AnnihilatorX on 10/27/2011 7:04:34 AM , Rating: 2
The traditional Chinese (complex stroked characters) + dialects such as Catonese is amongst the hardest language to learn. Chinese is a tonal language where it's not just the basic vowel that matters, but also the tone. A pronounciation can correlate to a dozen of different characters, and a small variation in the tone correlates to some other different characters. It is only clear when characters are doubled up to form simple words (so less chance of collision), and meaning derived in context then you are sure what is being said correlate to which characters.

Cantonese has its pronounciation roots more closely resembling middle Chinese than Mandarin. The former is hard to transliterate into English without grossly distorting the tone. Mandarin has simplified intonation that is kind of easier for foreigners to pronounce. But even so the Simplified Chinese and Mandarin are hard enough already.

An interesting fact is there were a study performed on Chinese people and found there are a higher proportion of people with absolute pitch aka perfect pitch. just because the mother tongue is tonal.


RE: heh
By TSS on 10/27/2011 7:02:38 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
"Lying on the hand" to me would mean as obvious as the object in my hand. And that's even before you clarified it.


But it's not the object in your hand. It's the object lying infront of your hand.

The problem is here you're not only trying to translate dutch words and grammer, but also a saying. "voor the hand liggend" translates to "obvious", but it is to obvious what "piece of cake" is to "easy".

English is the easyest language on the planet, nobody said doing it backwards was the harder thing to do. The point why it's the easyest is because it's largely remembering words. While in dutch it's remembering rules. One of the most difficult things in english is deciding between there, their or they're. And that's made easy by remembering what the 're stats for: are. There means a place, Their means ownership of something and they're means they are, state of multiple persons.

When discussing grammer to any dutchman, mention the Kofschip. They will all laugh. It's the rule that detemines wether a dutch word in past term is written with a T or a D. Fixing and "has fixed" become Maken and Maakte, scratching and "has scratched" become Krabben and Krabde.

Another funny thing is the way we say vowels. In Maken the A sounds the same way it does as the double A in Maakte (that sound doesn't exist in english. closest would be "crate" but saying the A twice). But if we type makken, the A sounds different, much closer to how you english say "aha".

Lets just say by the 2nd year of highschool every single word in an sentance has already been defined and has a reason for being there, even the words you grow up with thinking are simply filler because it sounds better this way. And then we still have 4 years of grammar to go!


RE: heh
By ClownPuncher on 10/27/2011 12:46:48 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently so!


Spoilt brats
By garagetinkerer on 10/26/2011 5:52:39 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly, never have i had been so puzzled and bemused. This company stoops to a new low all the time. Just when you think, "damn, this is a new low...": there will be some simian who'll come forth from the ranks at Apple, and surprise you. I wonder how these people sleep at night.




RE: Spoilt brats
By Tony Swash on 10/26/11, Rating: -1
RE: Spoilt brats
By Dorkyman on 10/27/2011 12:42:24 PM , Rating: 2
Let's talk in a year.


RE: Spoilt brats
By martin5000 on 10/28/2011 5:46:56 AM , Rating: 2
Love how the Apple zombie actually like to show off how much money their overlord company has made by ripping them off. Kind of sad really.

Look how great I am, I'm using windows and microsoft is really rich, that must reflect on me as a person right?


RE: Spoilt brats
By testerguy on 10/31/2011 4:33:35 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Love how the Apple zombie actually like to show off how much money their overlord company has made by ripping them off. Kind of sad really. Look how great I am, I'm using windows and microsoft is really rich, that must reflect on me as a person right?


Money helps to purchase things. Like Siri, which poor little Android users can't use anymore. It also means more money to invest in development, technology, the power to buy rival companies. A successful company is a more sustainable company. All of this is probably why Apple was able to release the fastest smartphone on the market today, and make it the best selling phone of all time. It also probably explains why Apple actually support their devices at least 2 years, unlike poor Nexus One customers, out in the cold already.


Get a grip...
By TEAMSWITCHER on 10/27/2011 9:53:10 AM , Rating: 2
...on reality. If one Patent were as valuable as everyone here seems to think then Microsoft would dominate the cell phone industry with their massive number of patents. Having patents is no guarantee for success. Apple's success stems from brilliant product design, intelligent marketing, and risk-taking leadership. The patent system does not enable any sub-par company to dominate anything - it just doesn't work like that.




RE: Get a grip...
By its tom hanks on 10/28/2011 9:58:17 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Having patents is no guarantee for success. Apple's success stems from brilliant product design, intelligent marketing, and risk-taking leadership.

where the fuck have you been lately? are you that oblivious to apples desperate legal attempt to block ALL competition in order to keep convincing the you's that apple products are worth your bank account and that other products don't exist?


By masamasa on 10/26/2011 5:39:36 PM , Rating: 2
I will no longer support these aggressive, monopolistic firms. In fact, I'm more than happen to tell everyone I know about their unethical tactics to claim marketshare. Good luck Apple. What goes around comes around you pathetic bottom feeders.




Cry havoc!
By bug77 on 10/26/2011 6:00:36 PM , Rating: 2
And let the lidless eye unleash his Nazguls upon those who stole the preciousss (aka infringers, aka everybody).




Patent troll
By thisisaname on 10/26/2011 6:36:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Some say that Apple is behaving like a patent troll


Gee, ya think?




USPTO = Garbage
By KOOLTIME on 10/28/2011 2:12:27 PM , Rating: 2
To sum up what this is all about.

Our USPTO is retarded, and the system is corrupt. People are even stealing old patents, re-wording them as theirs when the original patent holder is long dead so no claims will likely occur on alot of the obscure older items, its a big deal trick now a days.

They cant even manage cross referencing hundreds of millions of patents spewing out to see if one doesn't conflict with another.

The new game they play fancy word tweaking. Tweak descriptive words around to make it seem like they actually designed something new, when its just stolen stuff off and older design. The description words are different, so they cant tell its not conflicting and/or cross referencing some older patent. The smart lawyers and people that submit them know this trick OH SO WELL.




US patent office
By dark matter on 10/28/2011 3:29:16 PM , Rating: 2
Grants all American companies any stupid and pathetic patent.

That's all America has left, IP.

No doubt America will claim, in a last ditch attempt to save it's economy from the greedy bankers, that it actually invented the wheel, and the cog.

STFU America...




patents
By brn1981 on 10/28/2011 4:55:52 PM , Rating: 2
Time to patent general shapes as well, Apple.

Who is in charge of approving these patents anyway?




Using Linux Strategies
By ipay on 10/30/2011 10:54:02 AM , Rating: 2
An advice to device manufacturers that they should build devices that are capable to do such things (GUI, Unlock features etc) but disable it by default and let the users decide what to do.
This would be same as in linux (Ubuntu for eg:)where the operating system is unable to play mp3 ,mp4,due to licensing problems. But it shows the ways for users to download decoders on their own risk and get the job done,quiet easily.
Now Apple can't Sue everyone of us..You can't spit on the same bowl that you take the soup off.




"Third Digit Gesture Already patented"
By ipay on 10/30/2011 2:29:58 PM , Rating: 2
The patent Describes:
A gesture in which the user with five digits(a.k.a: fingers)can use to pass a instruction to the device by allowing only the third digit to stand as is while remaining digits 1,2,4,5 remain folded touching the palm at all times.Digits are counted from left.The set of instruction may be received by optical devices(such as front facing camera), by touch(multi touch interfaces) or by the device itself.

Guess who patented it?




Apple has a new patent!
By masamasa on 10/31/2011 5:01:36 PM , Rating: 2
How to wipe your ass with consumers dollars using your left hand while leaning slightly off the seat. When quoted Steve Jobs said...well, not a whole lot.




Hypocrite
By TermiteX on 10/26/11, Rating: -1
RE: Hypocrite
By messele on 10/27/11, Rating: 0
RE: Hypocrite
By omnicronx on 10/27/2011 5:41:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
One of the graphics that you display isn't from the USPTO, it's from a site called patently apple. You simply cut off their graphics and name to look like you actually did some original work on finding this patent. What a joke.
Funny part is, both of the sketches (i.e the meat of the picture iteslf) within the image in question are very much so USPTO images that patently apple ripped out of the USPTO patent filing documents, slapped another picture of the lockscreen beside it and watermarketed it as their own composition..

As is every single other sketch that they have on their site, and I don't see one mention of where they source their images from.

Jason needs to be more careful, but the fact remains that most likely not a single part of that image aside from the arrangement was a patently apple original. The part that really mattered was sourced from exactly where he stated. Not to mention he did state a source, so its not like he is trying to pretend this is his own work here.

I expect to see flaming responses sent to patently apple based on your comment above. As clearly they are "hack's and thieves" too based on your silly criteria.


RE: Hypocrite
By TermiteX on 11/14/2011 4:13:54 PM , Rating: 1
The image of the slide to lock feature came from Patently Apple and we can see the gray tint around the graphics which proves that this site lifted the graphic instead of obtaining at the USPTO. The USPTO laid it out differently. The point being that this site who is claimiing Apple to be thief is in fact a thief themselves.

Being that you, "omnicronx" are the house bitch with over 6000 comments on this site, let me say that you're mouthing off to defend this site, but honest people call a spade a spade. No fudging, they stole the graphic with no credit to the site who created it. Period.

Secondly, this nonsense of taking a blip out of a full video with Steve Jobs talking about stealing is for morons. I've provided a link below to another report that quotes Steve Jobs position on IP. And the "context is IP. " The video is about stealing ideas in the context of inspiration.

For example: Apple wasn't the first with an MP3 Player. But they created a revolutionary UI for a next generation MP3 player. They created iTunes so users could make playlists. They created the worlds best online Music Store to buy and not steal music and broke the backs of music studios by fairly pricing tunes at 99 cents a pop without having to buy an full album with nothing but filler. Was Apple inspired by the MP3 Player. Yes. But did they "steal" the idea? No. They took what was in the market and reinvented it and that's legal. They didn't step on Sony's IP to create their product. So in the end, the blip of Jobs talking about stealing has to be put into context as it wasn't about IP.

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2011/1...


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