Sources: CNET, Richmond Times-Dispatch
quote: I'm totally fine with the government putting such folks in jail. If the word of such folks is true, if I "got in their way," then they would end me. I don't want them walking the streets.
quote: If someone is willing to give up their life to take an action, there is literally NOTHING you can do to stop them, short of putting a bullet in them first
quote: US Military persons do not have traditional rights of citizens. That includes Freedom of Speech. He broke his oath to the United States Marine Corps, and fully knowing the penalty, should accept the consequences.
quote: You'd rather see me in the penThen me and Lorenzo rollin in the B3nzoBeat tha police outta shapeAnd when I'm finished, bring the yellow tapeTo tape off the scene of the slaugherStill can't swallow bread and waterI don't know if they f--s or whatSearch a n---- down and grabbin his n---And on the other hand, without a g-- they can't get noneBut don't let it be a black and a white oneCuz they slam ya down to the street topBlack police showin out for the white cop
quote: I don't think that's a fair comparison. You're qualifying it by saying you will do so in self defense. The person in the article threatened to kill anyone that pulled him over. Mick is saying it was a vague threat but that second line isn't all that vague.
quote: Remember Body Count?
quote: Pull up on your b--ch, bet she gonna likeSosa b--ch, yeah, I done gon' hypePistol toting and I'm shooting on sightA snitch n---a, that's that s--t I don't likeYour b--ch want do the team bet she won't fightB--ch, we GBE -- f--k who don't likeAnd we ain't gon' fight, our guns gon' fight
quote: I actually enjoy rap because I feel educated/enlightened folks that have studied history recognize that in nearly all cases violence only begets violence, and hence do not feel personally instigated to violence by it and can accept it simply as a cultural/artistic statement.
quote: Rap is a form of entertainment.
quote: "[T]he constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."
quote: In other words, unless specific, immediate violence is promised, you're free to make statements of protest against the government -- even violent ones.
quote: A critical example Germany's 1933 decision to suspend "the Fundamental Rights" in its Articles of Government if "if public safety and order in the German Reich are considerably disturbed or endangered". The Third Reich seized the opportunity by staging a fire at the Reichstag building, which they then blamed on protesters/terrorists, leading to a blanket suspension of protest speech against the ruling regime. That censorship proved critical to the atrocities and oppression that ensued, as the Reich was able to send anyone who spoke out against its policies to prisons or concentration camps.
quote: Saying "[you'll] kill whoever [you] deem to be in the way" is also kinda questionable speech. There are other uglier things out there, though, but I personally can't say if that's covered under free speech or not. Better to err on the side of "yes" than "no", always; but I am left kinda wondering about that guy's mental soundness.
quote: “Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants."
quote: It is a criminal offense. You are pledging (informally) to kill someone. That shows criminal intent. If you are so out of control that you do not realize you are threatening to kill someone then you are out of control enough to actually do it....As for "Why not prosecute people for actual actions" the fact is that speech is an action, one that often leads to more physical recognizable actions.
quote: What you propose would lead to filling our prisons with people who just happened to be pissed off and said something stupid. Fantastic plan.
quote: But that's a little different than saying you're going to kill people whom you deem as in the way of humanity's harmony, whatever that even means.
quote: 1. You can't yell fire! in a crowded theatre
quote: 2. While wearing a uniform you are subject to UCMJ.
quote: The government sounds clearly wrong in the Marine's case. He like any of us has every right to rail against the government as much as he wants. The first guy you could make an argument he's threatening to kill people arbitrarily, even if it is vague, but the Marine? It is a dangerous trend, and things like "free speech zones" need to be stopped, as they clearly violate the Constitution.
quote: Who's yelling fire?
quote: Are you referring to the marine?? He was honorably discharged. He was no longer in service when he exercised his free speech online to protest the government. If you're suggesting that his protest speech should be permanently censored for the rest of his life because he at one time served our country, I would argue you are badly misguided. I think we should honor our men and women who serve, not punish them.
quote: Just illustrating a limit on free speech like it or not.
quote: A death threat has to be against a specific person, I think, to count.
quote: War is near. Anarchy and justice will be sought...I'll kill whoever I deem to be in the way of harmony to the human race...BE WARNED IF U PULL ME OVER!!"