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In one new commercial, Mac gets the girl -- Megan -- while the PCs, including Jon Hodgeman, get rejected.  (Source: Apple)

Another new commercial sees PC doubling as a DJ, but rejecting callers who have computer problems.  (Source: Apple)
Megan gets the Mac, PC misses out because of all its "viruses" and "crashes"

Ad wars are in full swing.  First there was Microsoft's "Laptop Hunters", with Lauren, Giampaolo, Lisa, and more.  Then there was rival Apple's irate response, followed quickly by a new round of "Get a Mac" commercials.  Next, Microsoft lobbed back equating the iPod's cost of ownership (with enough music downloaded to fill it) to $30,000.  Now the two are back at it again, with three new "Get a Mac" commercials which seem to obviously poke fun at "Laptop Hunters".

First up is "Customer Care", which sees PC (Jon Hodgeman) reminiscing with Mac (Justin Long) about his past customer support call antics.  This ad again, reiterates the same old "Get a Mac" theme -- PCs are buggy, virus-laden, and crash all the time.  It's more of the same with "PC Choice Chat", which has PC moonlight as a radio DJ.  He begins to take calls, only to have to hang up on customers irate with their PC problems.  Mac looks on awkwardly.

The last commercial is drawing the most attention, though.  With Microsoft stealing internet geeks' hearts worldwide with its Laptop Hunter Lauren, Apple tries to do the same with Megan.  Megan debuts in the commercial "Elimination".

She begins by saying she's looking for a PC.  PC has brought along a long row of guys -- "PCs" -- and offers to find the right one for her.  She first says that she wants a large screen; a bunch of PCs leave.  Next she says wants a fast processor; more leave.  Finally, she says she wants a computer "… without crashing, viruses or a ton of headaches."  At this point the rest of the PC guys leave, and Jon Hodgeman begrudgingly tells Mac "she's all yours." 

Megan walks over to Mac, and he delivers his catch phrase "Hi I'm a Mac."  She wittily responds "I'm a Megan."  Cue fireworks.

For TV watchers these commercials, like Laptop Hunters, are best viewed as entertainment.  While some come with grains of truth -- PCs are cheap and have more memory, Macs while expensive, do tend to have high quality screens -- they ultimately devolve into the commercial version of name-calling.  The Microsoft spots feature vague aspersions about Macs, while the Apple commercials go even farther, making PCs out to be a crippled platform, which is obviously far from the truth.

It'd be good to see commercials which focus on the real advantages of each platform, including some that haven't been mentioned much in the commercials -- battery life (Mac) and graphics/gaming (PC) (Disclaimer: Laptop Hunters does mention gaming, but the models shown have low end graphics -- not exactly the best PCs have to offer).  Until that happens, though, we'll have to sit back and enjoy the ad wars between "Laptop Hunters" and "Get a Mac".



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Poor Apple...
By iFX on 5/13/2009 9:38:21 AM , Rating: 5
The best they can come up with these days is "PC BAD!!! MAC GOOD!!!" What is this, the stone age?

I think these ads say a lot about what Apple perceives the average intelligence level of their customers to be - meaning, 70 or below.




RE: Poor Apple...
By Belard on 5/13/09, Rating: -1
RE: Poor Apple...
By FITCamaro on 5/13/2009 10:08:53 AM , Rating: 4
Well the big thing is that the vast majority of Mac commercials say absolutely nothing about Macs. They just bash Microsoft.

Microsoft's commercials at least highlight the benefits of a Windows PC.


RE: Poor Apple...
By iFX on 5/13/2009 10:21:21 AM , Rating: 3
They even highlight the benefits of the Mac (as well as the cons) - something Apple has yet to do.


RE: Poor Apple...
By Lightnix on 5/13/2009 10:37:39 AM , Rating: 3
No, wait, in one Apple advert I distinctly remember they could use Microsoft office, too. I mean that's a benefit right? Being able to do something that your competitor is providing for you?


RE: Poor Apple...
By iFX on 5/13/2009 10:45:09 AM , Rating: 1
Hardly, not when you degrade the platform itself as being inadequate. If you took Apple's view of the PC platform why would you think they meant that Office running on a Mac would be a beneficial thing?


RE: Poor Apple...
By Belard on 5/13/09, Rating: -1
RE: Poor Apple...
By FITCamaro on 5/13/2009 12:06:32 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Both Mac and PCs have notebooks with 14 / 15 and 17" screens, USB ports, keyboards, touch pads, intel Core2Duo CPUs, ATi or Nvidia graphics chips, hard-drives.... not rocket science.


Good point. They both have the same stuff. Yet the Mac costs $300-500 more.


RE: Poor Apple...
By Tsuwamono on 5/13/2009 12:56:57 PM , Rating: 4
300$ to 500$ more? Shit where did you get such a good deal?

Every one i have seen for the same thing its a good 600$ difference MINIMUM... most are like 1000$ difference.


RE: Poor Apple...
By Belard on 5/14/2009 1:23:52 AM , Rating: 2
Okay. I priced two high end notebooks. An Apple Mac Pro 17" with 2.9Ghz Core2Duo 4gb / 320GB HD vs. Thinkpad 17" with 2.8Ghz Core2Dup 4GB / 320GB HD. Botth have wireless and bluetooth.

Thinkpad W = $2380
Mac Pro 17 = $3150

Thinkpad W with WACOM Digitizer = $2500.

Thats a good $800~700 price difference.


RE: Poor Apple...
By FaceMaster on 5/17/2009 2:45:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Okay. I priced two high end notebooks. An Apple Mac Pro 17" with 2.9Ghz Core2Duo 4gb / 320GB HD vs. Thinkpad 17" with 2.8Ghz Core2Dup 4GB / 320GB HD. Botth have wireless and bluetooth. Thinkpad W = $2380 Mac Pro 17 = $3150 Thinkpad W with WACOM Digitizer = $2500. Thats a good $800~700 price difference.


What are you talking about? With the Apple you get an extra 100 Mhz! Ignore the $800 price premium, the way you can't play the latest games and the fact that you look a douche for buying an Apple in the first place, it's a good deal.


RE: Poor Apple...
By Solandri on 5/13/2009 4:14:49 PM , Rating: 5
As a Unix nut, I just enjoy the commercials because it's fun to see Microsoft hoisted by their own petard. For decades Microsoft dominated the market with inferior technology but better marketing. Now Apple, though not significantly denting their market yet, is one-upping them in the marketing.

Marketing isn't rational. Believe me, I made pretty much every rational argument there is about why the technology in Windows sucked for a decade (up until Win2k, when it started to not suck). Yeah the Mac costs more for the same stuff. It doesn't matter. The Mac is cooler, and that's what the commercials are about - solidifying that image of coolness in people's minds. Outside of the business market, coolness sells better than practicality. That's the bottom line - how well do the ads help sales? Not, which ads make the better argument?


RE: Poor Apple...
By afkrotch on 5/14/2009 3:13:18 AM , Rating: 2
I think they started to not suck at WinNT. Win2k started to add in more for user experience. I'd still be on Win2k, if it weren't for the fact that some games only load on WinXP or higher.

I agree that coolness factor is a huge selling point. Why things like Gucci, Louis Vitton, Ferraris, and so on are expensive.


RE: Poor Apple...
By Oregonian2 on 5/14/2009 4:46:41 PM , Rating: 2
Well, Microsoft tried to sell Unix a long time ago but the attempt flopped. Market said "no".


RE: Poor Apple...
By JKflipflop98 on 5/13/2009 5:46:21 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, microsoft hired Seinfeld to come up with "some really, really smart rebuttal to the Mac ads". As it turns out he came up with a series that was so smart indeed, that 90% of the people that see it have no f'n clue what it's about.


RE: Poor Apple...
By Belard on 5/14/2009 12:47:47 AM , Rating: 2
Which was.....?

They said nothing about MS, Windows, Vista or anything. Just a couple of very rich guys doing boring things... oh, that PC is boring?


RE: Poor Apple...
By JKflipflop98 on 5/14/2009 6:33:08 AM , Rating: 3
Obviously, you reside in the 90%.


RE: Poor Apple...
By Belard on 5/15/2009 4:56:47 PM , Rating: 2
Because it was a stupid and boring 1-3 minute AD doesn't make it "intelligent and witty". And where do you get this 90% figure from? MS quickly made the new "I'm a PC" AD with people all over the world which was easily a better AD while at the same time, did't really have anything to say about MS or Vista.

Most likely, only the people who worked on the Senfield AD and agency like it, nowhere near the 10% "positive" you're talking about. We talked about it on this site. Maybe 1% thought it was okay at best.


RE: Poor Apple...
By dr4gon on 5/13/2009 12:14:08 PM , Rating: 3
And to think I thought this one had substance in it based on legitimate disqualifications.


RE: Poor Apple...
By invidious on 5/13/2009 10:20:55 AM , Rating: 5
At the risk of sounding fanboyish, PC adds appeal to reason and pacticality while MAC adds appeal to style and image. There is a big difference.

Not saying one is better than the other, different target markets.


RE: Poor Apple...
By munky on 5/13/09, Rating: 0
RE: Poor Apple...
By Devil07 on 5/13/09, Rating: 0
RE: Poor Apple...
By sbtech on 5/14/2009 8:05:53 AM , Rating: 2
So does people in graphics industry. I really dont know, but Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Premier, they are all available on PC. Dont really know the details as I am not in the industry.


RE: Poor Apple...
By christojojo on 5/13/2009 2:56:05 PM , Rating: 3
Not that this will quantify that sentiment, but I my buddy at school last year bought a Mac because as he said, "it was a good deal and nothing runs like a Mac." It ssure looked pretty at his house as he played COD4 on his game console. 3 grand for a, an MS Office, email and web browser machine. He could have bought a clery 500 from the flea market to do those things and saved a bunch.

Note: Yes, he has a roomba, ipod, iphone, etc. (definitely a brand wh0re.)


RE: Poor Apple...
By jonmcc33 on 5/13/09, Rating: 0
RE: Poor Apple...
By adiposity on 5/13/2009 12:19:32 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Macs are white and show off dirt and scratches easily.


When is the last time you saw a Mac? They aren't all white...especially the laptops.


RE: Poor Apple...
By sbtech on 5/14/2009 8:09:24 AM , Rating: 2
But nothing like the business understatement of the Thinkpads, originally designed by Richard Sapper in 1992.


RE: Poor Apple...
By Motoman on 5/13/2009 12:26:54 PM , Rating: 5
...Macs apparently appeal to people in the same way Bose and MonsterCable do. And for the same reasons.


RE: Poor Apple...
By superflex on 5/13/2009 12:51:32 PM , Rating: 5
+6


RE: Poor Apple...
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 5/13/2009 2:59:08 PM , Rating: 2
In a nutshell!


RE: Poor Apple...
By an0dize on 5/13/09, Rating: -1
RE: Poor Apple...
By Parhel on 5/14/2009 12:28:24 AM , Rating: 1
Bose and Monster Cable just appeal to suckers. Macs on the other hand seem to appeal primarily to homosexual men. I swear I can't walk into a book store or coffee shop without seeing at least one blatantly homosexual man using a Mac. It's like the rainbow flag has been replaced by the Apple.

Let's see . . . maybe 5 - 10% of the population is gay, and maybe 3 - 4% of the population uses Macs. I think I'm on to something here . . .


RE: Poor Apple...
By robinthakur on 5/14/2009 10:11:51 AM , Rating: 3
The connection between gays and Macs is there but isn't what you think it is. While we love stylish, beautifully packaged products, on the one hand, on the other we (generally) have no kids, earn more and aren't limited in what we can buy by our partners, who tend to encourage the purchase of ever shinier gadgets, more expensive clothes, phones, real-estate, holidays... (you get the idea)

Therefore its more about Macs not seeming as expensive to us, because we have more disposable income and gays don't do second hand or budget. Some might, but nobody I know. There. Demystified for you. Once you take price out of the equation, Macs are pretty unbeatable.

I assume you go to Starbucks primarily for the hot coffee and not the hot men with the sexy laptops, right?


RE: Poor Apple...
By Oregonian2 on 5/14/2009 4:51:20 PM , Rating: 2
I'd agree about Monstercable pretty much, but Bose only partly. Monstercable does in fact make good stuff that's very expensive and sells karma as much as anything, even if the overengineered results make no difference. With Bose, one may also be paying a great deal for Karma, but for perhaps lousier performance (obviously I'm not a fan of Bose regardless of their pricing).


RE: Poor Apple...
By Screwballl on 5/13/2009 10:52:07 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Use to be, the videos would PLAY in Opera / IE... now they demand Quicktime to be installed. Argh!


Look for "Quicktime Alternative". All the benefits of watching quicktime videos online without the need junk like the full Quicktime suite to be installed.

as for these videos... its all marketing hype... but as I deal with customers, I tend to find more aggravated Mac customers than Windows customers, mostly due to the software incompatibilities. These are also the best customers to get them to try Ubuntu (which works on all PCs, not just Windows or Mac based).

The best use for a Mac is when it has Linux installed on it.


RE: Poor Apple...
By sprockkets on 5/14/2009 7:51:36 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, but besides Apple.com, who needs quicktime anymore, and thank god that is the case!


RE: Poor Apple...
By Pirks on 5/14/2009 8:34:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
who needs quicktime anymore
A lot of digital cameras (like my 2008 Lumix) that record movies in MOV format that only QuickTime can play.


RE: Poor Apple...
By RubberJohnny on 5/14/2009 11:10:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
A lot of digital cameras (like my 2008 Lumix) that record movies in MOV format that only QuickTime can play.

Wrong. Try VLC www.videolan.org/vlc/ it even lets you play your .mov in fullscreen without paying apple...gasp!


RE: Poor Apple...
By Scabies on 5/13/2009 7:27:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
MS's Lauren still looks like a bang-bus girl when they hand her cash.


Ouch. Straw man much?


RE: Poor Apple...
By Belard on 5/14/2009 12:45:36 AM , Rating: 1
Funny how the post gets rated down by showing facts about the market share of Windows.


RE: Poor Apple...
By Bender 123 on 5/13/2009 9:56:50 AM , Rating: 2
I agree...I am a PC user and a Mac user. This ad campaign is getting to be a "yo mama" match. They used to be clever and edgy, but, just like the "yo mama" jokes, are now petty and unfunny at every level.

Yes, the PC needs anti virus software and system updates, but its not like the Mac is problem free or never needs patching.

The laptop hunter ads distinctly told a story of "this is what I am looking for and how much I can spend." The Apple ads are basically saying you are stupid if you buy only what you need...Just tired of it, thats all.


RE: Poor Apple...
By Hiawa23 on 5/13/2009 2:33:09 PM , Rating: 2
These back & forth commercials are hilarious, especially the ads with the mother & son or daughter that appears to be in a Best Buy where they are looking for a PC, & they end with I am a PC. I don't know anything about Mac as I have always owned a PC, & really haven't had any issues other than normal upgrades, or replacement, but this commercial takes the cake. Seems like two kids going back & forth comercial to commercial, with these..


RE: Poor Apple...
By StraightPipe on 5/13/2009 2:47:42 PM , Rating: 2
I'm just glad MS is finally participating in the advertising campaign. It pains me to see the blatant slander from these mac comercials and MS do nothing about it (lawsuit please).

I'm also happy to see MS not stooping to their level and dishing insults.

Basically: Macs are great machines, with pretty decent hardware. They ahve serious software limitation because they dont run windows apps, so they miss out on about 90% of the software (GAMES and more).

PC's are nice too, but they run the full range of hardware, so most people are trying to sell uber cheap $400-600 machines now. At least they run most of the software on the market, so you can get really good general purpose machines for a low price. I'd rather spend more and get a hardcore workstation (that costs almost as much as a mac)

If you get identical hardware a Mac is a bit more expensive, but has many more limitations.

Linux is nice too, but has many of the same limitations as OSX.

I personally choose to build my own PC. I can save a little more over buying an OEM machine and I get to choose all my parts and plan my own upgrade path.


RE: Poor Apple...
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 5/13/2009 3:03:24 PM , Rating: 2
See, that is the very point as to why PC's need security patches and Macs don't. Nothing runs on a Mac - including viruses. Why target a non-market if you are a hacker. Like the recent virus ("Please forward to a Mac user if you are not a Mac user." How desperate is that?) Security by obscurity. Put your head back in the sand, Apple dude (in the commercial.)


RE: Poor Apple...
By xmichaelx on 5/14/2009 3:57:33 PM , Rating: 2
The beauty of DVR is that I never, ever see any of these commercials.


RE: Poor Apple...
By Regs on 5/18/2009 1:13:15 AM , Rating: 2
Im going to make a PC and OS and I'm only going to sell it to X. Windows is going to make a OS for every PC so that PC can sell it to X,Y, and Z. Basically Apple is saying that Y and Z should hop on board the bandwagon with X even though they know the law of economics its practically impossible that people are not going to buy it!


Megan makes more money than I do
By Bateluer on 5/13/2009 9:43:29 AM , Rating: 5
Because I cannot afford to drop 3k on a laptop with an old CPU and slow IGP, even if it has a nice screen and looks stylish. Not when I can get a PC laptop for less than half the cost, with better specs, which, incidentally, you could also install OSX on.




RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By iFX on 5/13/2009 9:48:07 AM , Rating: 5
Logic and reason have no place in the Mac buyer's decision process!


By rburnham on 5/13/2009 9:59:10 AM , Rating: 5
You fool! You'll spoil everything for Apple!


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/13/09, Rating: 0
RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By stromgald30 on 5/13/2009 7:16:11 PM , Rating: 3
Eh? Do you even know which processor or IGP is in MacBook Pros these days? The IGP is 9400M or 9600M GT . . . . which are two generations old. These chips were introduced well over a year ago. However, I'll give Apple credit for keeping the processors fairly current.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/13/09, Rating: -1
RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By themaster08 on 5/13/2009 8:38:50 PM , Rating: 4
Exactly, in midrange notbooks, not high-end $3000 notebooks!

There's absolutely no justification for the extortionately higher price due to a few hours extra battery life and the multi-touch pad which you never shut up about.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/13/2009 9:21:09 PM , Rating: 2
People with low income complain about exactly the same things in Lexus: "WHAT?? Such a HUGE price difference for a different leather on seats and sound deadening which Lexus owners never shut up about??"

Same thing over and over again, and it's everywhere, not only in the computer world.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By themaster08 on 5/13/2009 9:44:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Same thing over and over again, and it's everywhere, not only in the computer world.

Just because it happens in other markets, that doesn't justify it. No amount of analogies will alter that.

The hardware in MacBooks is mid-range at best, but none of that seems to matter in the world of Pirks. As long as it has better battery life than it's competitors and has a multi-touch pad then that justifys the premium price tag.
No thanks, I'd rather leave my laptop permanently plugged in than pay out on a limb for a few hours extra battery life.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/14/2009 1:25:13 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'd rather leave my laptop permanently plugged in than pay out on a limb for a few hours extra battery life
Would you say the same if you were rich and money were not an issue?


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By themaster08 on 5/14/2009 6:53:17 AM , Rating: 2
Yes I would.

Having money doesn't mean you have to waste it.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/14/2009 12:28:08 PM , Rating: 2
Why do you consider additional comfort a waste?


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By stromgald30 on 5/14/2009 1:16:36 PM , Rating: 2
Because we can survive without it. If I win the lottery, I wouldn't buy a 10 bedroom house would I? It's called being sensible and not spending money on things you don't need. Like an 8 hour vs. 4 hour battery life.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/14/2009 2:22:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If I win the lottery, I wouldn't buy a 10 bedroom house
But will you buy a better/higher quality apartment in a nicer neighborhood for example?


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By themaster08 on 5/14/2009 1:50:04 PM , Rating: 2
Also because I'd suffer the discomfort of using mediocre hardware.

I'd rather use high-end hardware for a short amount of time than mediocre hardware for a long time.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/14/2009 2:26:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'd rather use high-end hardware for a short amount of time than mediocre hardware for a long time
What if you find out that it's not mediocre at all? Will you change your mind then?


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By themaster08 on 5/14/2009 2:31:27 PM , Rating: 2
Possibly, but there's no doubting that compared to similar priced laptops, the hardware is quite mediocre indeed.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/14/2009 2:43:50 PM , Rating: 2
How do you know if its mediocre when you never tried it?


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By stromgald30 on 5/14/2009 2:51:44 PM , Rating: 2
You can tell hardware is mediocre from the specs and previous online reviews . . .

I can see your argument for OS X if people haven't tried it, but hardware is more quantifiable.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/14/2009 2:56:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You can tell hardware is mediocre from the specs
Why are you ignoring size, thickness, weight, keyboard backlight, multitouch touchpad and battery efficiency (minutes of work time per battery WHr)?


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By stromgald30 on 5/14/2009 3:09:07 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not, you can get a similarly sized (weight, thickness, etc) and similarly powered (new mid-range Core2Duo + 9600M GT graphics) laptop as a Macbook Pro, and it would still be much cheaper. Keyboard backlight is also not a Mac-only thing (I've seen it on several new Dells).

The only thing the Macbook has is battery life and the multi-touch pad (wasn't this mentioned earlier in the thread?). Unfortunately, that's generally not enough to offset the limitations of working with OS X. You can complain about how it's not Apple's fault, etc, but the limited number of apps and $750+ price difference more than offsets a nice touch pad, extended battery life for most people.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/14/2009 3:12:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you can get a similarly sized and similarly powered laptop as a Macbook Pro, and it would still be much cheaper
Example please?


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By stromgald30 on 5/14/2009 3:51:54 PM , Rating: 2
Price out a Studio XPS 16 from Dell. Same processor, bigger hard drive, same amount of RAM, same max screen resolution, same 2 yr warranty, same optical drive, better graphics card . . . total: $1923. It even comes in 0.2 lbs less than the 17" Macbook Pro.

I know you'll point out that it's only a 16" laptop, but going to a 17" one put is 0.8 lb heavier than the Macbook Pro. So, it's a tradeoff of screen size (not resolution) and weight. To be honest, it's a comparable laptop at 2/3 the price of the macbook pro.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/14/2009 5:02:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Price out a Studio XPS 16
Nah, 16" is still different, I'd love to see exact clone of MBP 17 but for lower price. What I've seen so far were PC laptops that were priced cheaper because they had worse specs, usually thickness, weight, battery life and other ergonomic features like backlight and such. Any way I tried to cut it I found out that MBP 17 is pretty unique beast and there's nothing in PC world that blends various features (I mean overall features, NOT ONLY the CPU/GPU/etc specs) the way MBP 17 does, hence its price. I don't think any PC company can do a clone of MBP because it'll cost as much if not more, and for some reason PC makers are only after specs and they don't care about battery life, case material (unibody metal instead of plastic) and stuff like that. They just don't do any real polish, which is why their prices are so low. Bare specs are not enough these days and Apple's great margins prove it again and again and again...


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By stromgald30 on 5/14/2009 5:17:25 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody makes clones of other machines. I don't see Apple, Sony, Toshiba, or Lenovo cloning Dell laptops. And it's not because it's not as 'good' as the MacBook Pro, it's because it's not their style. Everything is unique.

So you're weighing unibody metal construction, battery life, multi-touch touchpad, +1" larger screen for what, $1000? The issue isn't whether it will cost PC makers the same or more to produce the same thing. It's that any sensible buyer won't pay that extra cost because it's not worth it FOR THE CONSUMER. PC makers know that and don't add all those features.

The only reason that Macs are growing in sales is because they've successfully achieved a label as being part of the 'in' crowd. It's popular and stylish, rather than functional and economical.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/14/2009 6:25:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's popular and stylish
Why PC makers can't make as popular and stylish products as Apple does? Why they can only focus on price?


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Andrwken on 5/17/2009 8:40:22 AM , Rating: 2
I will agree. I only paid 1700 for a dell latitude 6500. very nice aesthetically (much better than the old latitudes), excellent screen (led backlight), core2duo t9500 2gigs ram xp, nvidia quadro, backlit keyboard. The battery life on it has been quite exemplary over previous laptops I have owned. I can't see spending 3 grand to get the same specs with less software compatibility. But you could thank Apple for the better looking dell's and hp's I have seen as of late.

P.S. I work with industrial PLC software and that means that windows XP must be used. Apple is not even a consideration in this market.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By jido on 5/18/2009 11:16:34 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
P.S. I work with industrial PLC software and that means that windows XP must be used. Apple is not even a consideration in this market.

Why though?

I understand you need to run Windows for your work, but what harm does it do if you use MacOS X beside it? If you have a Mac you can do that.


By wErkingman on 6/1/2009 8:22:57 AM , Rating: 2
For an alternate view of your computer: Here is one CNET review, of the few I looked at, this express the overall review sentiment the best. Battery life on this was another complaint.

My point? Always interesting to hear from the PC fanboy too. Personally I'm an Apple user, I would rather spend $1500 on a macbook and use a quality product with the same specs and better battery life.

Spent $3G on this computer

... Despite metal hinges and blah blah it still feels very plasticy. When I first got the computer the left mouse button was stuck down and didn't bounce back up for a day.
Also a screw was missing from the DVD bay (i.e. if you go against my advice make sure you check your computer for missing parts because Dell certainly won't)
I've had previous Dell laptops - latitudes, inspirons etc. in comparison the Touch pad is not as good in terms of sensitivity to prior models, touch pad control software doesn't help increase the speed and responsiveness of the touchpad.
I installed 64 bit vista. I learnt after reinstalling my operating system 3times that this model doesn't support 64 bit VISTA. I only found this out from a friend, not from Dell themselves. Note: (32 bit vista and XP can only support 3.6Gig of RAM yet the laptop can support 8Gig of RAM on it..)
If you do install 64 bit be prepared for driver conflicts every windows update.
....all in all if you're paying this money buy a Mac instead or at least go for an XPS (my friends are happy with their XPS), I'm sorely wishing I did either of the two.

* Good: Good set of specs
* Bad: Poor sound (speakers are no good)
Expensive
Doesn't support 64 bit Vista (i.e. getting over 3.6G of Ram is pointless)
Dell support (The usual little man in India who has no idea). Dell will only help you if you threaten to return the laptop.
Paying top dollar and only getting DDR2 RAM.
Average speed considering the money you're paying


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By themaster08 on 5/14/2009 3:17:38 PM , Rating: 2
Because when most people look at specs, the first things they look at, particularly more advanced users, are CPU, RAM, GPU and HDD. All of which seem to have been sacrificed somewhat in the MacBook to make way for the points you listed.
With that said, I would argue that with the exception of the multi-touch pad and battery life, there are PC laptops in the same price range that also have what you listed, with better hardware specs and all.
Heck even the battery life becomes a moot point if you include a second battery in some laptops, albeit weight will be sacrificed.

I personally would look at the former specs first, others the latter. Each to their own.


RE: Megan makes more money than I do
By Pirks on 5/14/2009 3:24:21 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, but far from all people are interested _ONLY_ in specs, that's why Apple products market share keeps growing. You have to keep the right balance between price, specs and comfort. Judging by how Apple business runs these years they are number one in this area. I'm not saying that they will capture majority market share everywhere, this is not directly connected to striking a right balance as above. However this seems to be directly connected to profitability, and they kill other hardware makers with regard to this. But... the problem is - those hardware guys are MS partners, and hence this hurts MS too. So the ad wars start and such... anyway, that's my general rant for today :)


By themaster08 on 5/14/2009 3:38:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You have to keep the right balance between price, specs and comfort.

I do agree with this statement somewhat. With the limited types of MacBook available I think it's right that they try to accomodate this balance.
But that's where the problem lies. Say for example someone was looking for a laptop with a backlit keyboard, and this was the selling point for them. Sure the MacBook has a backlit keyboard, but there could be another laptop which has a backlit keyboard and is £500 cheaper.

Due to the countless types of PC laptops, You can buy one with a similar sort-of balance to the MacBook, or you can buy one that is suited to your needs, and the cost is driven down when other specs which you don't really care about are less appealing.

But as I said, each to their own.


Wrong Megan
By Lord 666 on 5/13/2009 9:41:50 AM , Rating: 5
If that were Megan FOX, it would be impressive.




RE: Wrong Megan
By callmeroy on 5/13/2009 9:45:17 AM , Rating: 2
lol....if swearing off PC's for a Mac would grant me Megan Fox as my girl --- i'd switch teams in a heartbeat....;)


RE: Wrong Megan
By acase on 5/13/2009 10:04:17 AM , Rating: 5
I believe switching teams would make you no longer interested in Megan Fox...unless of course you are gay now?


RE: Wrong Megan
By JasonMick (blog) on 5/13/2009 10:54:16 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
lol....if swearing off PC's for a Mac would grant me Megan Fox as my girl --- i'd switch teams in a heartbeat....;)
quote:
I believe switching teams would make you no longer interested in Megan Fox...unless of course you are gay now?


Unless it's a female poster -- then the comment would make perfect sense...


RE: Wrong Megan
By acase on 5/13/2009 11:01:39 AM , Rating: 5
A female named Roy? That's worse then a boy named Sue!


RE: Wrong Megan
By stirfry213 on 5/13/2009 12:44:47 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you for the laugh! lol


RE: Wrong Megan
By DeepBlue1975 on 5/13/2009 3:59:24 PM , Rating: 2
A boy named Sue Mee Would be even worse.


RE: Wrong Megan
By Lord 666 on 5/13/2009 11:55:23 AM , Rating: 2
Megan Fox is on record saying she has interest in both teams... so it would be a win-win for Apple's marketing covering both demographics.


RE: Wrong Megan
By callmeroy on 5/13/2009 12:17:44 PM , Rating: 2
....yea yea....ba da bum.....

You know I guess I asked for it --- I honestly was thinking that joke was coming after I hit submit but a side of me said "nah they should understand what I meant they can't all be that juvenile..."........I meant teams as in the PC vs. Mac crowd...lol.....


RE: Wrong Megan
By RagingDragon on 5/13/2009 9:44:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
[...] a side of me said "nah they should understand what I meant


I'm sure everyone understood what you meant. They just willfully misinterpreted it to make a joke.

quote:
they can't all be that juvenile


Not all, just most :)


RE: Wrong Megan
By nikon133 on 5/13/2009 9:00:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
lol....if swearing off PC's for a Mac would grant me Megan Fox as my girl --- i'd switch teams in a heartbeat....;)


You'd have to switch from PC and Mac to Ferrari Enzo, change your name to Peter Jackson and promise her a role in a "Hobbit" movie.

(She'd make a great Elf lass, though)


RE: Wrong Megan
By GWD5318 on 5/13/2009 10:52:09 AM , Rating: 3
If that were Megan Fox, I wouldn't touch a PC or Mac. I'd be too busy doing "other" stuff.


RE: Wrong Megan
By FITCamaro on 5/13/09, Rating: 0
RE: Wrong Megan
By RagingDragon on 5/13/2009 9:46:13 PM , Rating: 1
I guess everyone is otherwise occupied...


RE: Wrong Megan
By QueBert on 5/14/2009 12:42:59 AM , Rating: 3
Washing and disinfecting your junk I hope. Nothing against her but the word is she really gets around. From how she acts/talks in interviews I believe this is probably accurate. So I personally wouldn't exactly be very hopeful that her stuff is grade A when it comes to cleanness. Hot or not, I wouldn't poke her with your Penis. But that's just me, I know a lot of men don't mind sloppy 2nds, or 3rds, or 10ths.

Whatever floats your boat.


By sapiens74 on 5/13/2009 12:18:26 PM , Rating: 2
I do

And MY MAC has been on for 60 days straight and runs as if I first started it. My PC, well needless to say I've rebooted it everyday in the same period

The MAC boots faster, is less of a memory hog, and does not Crash PERIOD.

My PC doesn't crash very often but applications do crash and frequently enough to frustrate me and I am an IT guy and only use WHQL drivers and applications from MS, HP or cisco to do my job.




By manoj252 on 5/13/2009 1:17:33 PM , Rating: 3
I'll bite :) Why does your PC need restarting everyday?

Your anecdotal evidence can be easily countered by many people, including me. I have an HTPC/gaming PC which is also my web/ftp/file server that is running 24/7. I've had to restart for Windows updates but very very little else. Poorly written applications can crash on any OS, the key measure should be how much of the OS they take down with them.

Applications crash on Mac OS X too and the infamous SBBoD, kernel panics and gray screens are not things I've made up ;) Try letting your Mac go into sleep/hibernation mode and have fun connecting to the same network when it wakes up. Check out macfixit.com. I've even read that 10.5.6 and 10.5.7 updates have had their share of troubles including a boot loop for 10.5.6. This happens despite OS X running on only a handful of hardware platforms! It'd be interesting to see how Apple would fare in "stability" if it had to contend with the plethora of hardware (and sometimes ancient hardware) that Windows supports.


By sapiens74 on 5/13/2009 1:43:00 PM , Rating: 2
The plethora of hardware is partly what hurts windows

But honestly, all 5 of my servers running anything from Windows 2003 to Windows 2008 with R2 Extensions never crash either. One server has been up for over a year!

However Windows workstations do crash and I wouldn't have a job even they didn't. They crash and crash hard. Even with top Vendors like HP and MS helping shape our software environment they still crash.

Honestly, to do work I grab my Windows laptop, i love it for what I do.

For anything else like fun (excluding gaming) I use the MAC, it never disappoints me.


By robinthakur on 5/14/2009 11:47:42 AM , Rating: 2
Amusingly, I am in the same boat where my self built uber-pc just crashes every time I wake it up (Vista) and I have to reboot. I think its the wifi USB stick, (avoid Belkins!) but can't be assed to fix/replace it (I have an MCSE so its not exactly a stretch). The macbook still works without a hitch, as it always has done, so not using my pc much at the mo :( Don't you love pointless anecdotes?


By MadMan007 on 5/14/2009 12:49:06 PM , Rating: 3
Are you really too lazy to unplug a USB device to assess whether it's causing your problem?


By robinthakur on 5/14/2009 12:23:40 PM , Rating: 2
Anecdotally, I've never seen a mac have an issue connecting to a network on wake. In fact that is one of the best things about the macbook, it connects onto my wifi network quicker than my vista desktop and laptops on wake by a fair margin. Whilst I have experienced kernel panics, or attempts to reconnect to network paths which don't exist and are not a common occurence.

You get them in windows too, but they aren't called Kernel Panics. My Vista Ultimate main system takes so long from boot to actually being usable, its getting a tad annoying now (literally about 5 mins for a reboot cycle after defragging and deleting the superfetch and startup programs) And then you have to take out the wifi usb key then replace it to get that bit to work. Honestly, never buy anything made by Belkin. At least I know its not MS to blame for it tho.


By Inkjammer on 5/13/2009 1:40:11 PM , Rating: 2
My Vista machine has been online and running since December. My other machine can go months/weeks at a time, but I tend to install a lot more, and reboot about once every week or two.

PCs don't have to suck.


By Donkeyshins on 5/13/2009 2:19:36 PM , Rating: 2
Huh...my primary work machine has Windows 7 Beta on it and I've only rebooted it twice since I installed the Beta. When I was running Vista, it was up for months at a time without a reboot (usually reboots were caused by video driver installs - damn you NVidia).


By Inkjammer on 5/13/2009 3:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
My machine that's been up almost five months is an art machine. It's not connected to the internet (hence no need for patching). And it's performance? Rock solid. Never had a single issue in all that time.


By tmouse on 5/13/2009 2:28:19 PM , Rating: 2
I do not really know what to say, your an IT professional and you HAVE to reboot your PC every day! Ever think you have a defective startup application running? I simply cannot see any computer REQUIRING a reboot daily without a fundamental problem in hardware like a defective memory module or a drive that's getting ready to give up the ghost or a defective startup application that's not releasing memory . I have dozens of workstations (2k up to Vista 32 and 64 bit versions) that have been running 24/7 without any need for a reboot except when a system upgrade requires it (and Macs also require a reboot in these cases, heck ALL OS's would). I have 3 old NT workstations that are not networked and have been up for close to 8 years. Macs run well and so do properly configured PC's, its not magic. I get a lot more Mac calls when they have to work with some of the AV presentation equipment we have. The problems with the Pc's are mostly thermal in the dell boxes and most of the recent software hangs are relate to flash or java apps.


By StraightPipe on 5/13/2009 2:40:43 PM , Rating: 2
My PC's all run 24/7 (I have several at home and 30 at the office).

I do recommend users reboot at night when they go home, but that's just so i can avoid stupid helpdesk questions (laziness on my part). You see: rebooting flushes the memory and forces bad apps to start fresh each day. This makes sure they dont run into problems, and I get a lot less calls.

My gaming rig at home (Vista64) runs for months without reboots. It's got a ton of apps on it and runs pretty intense software (like games and HD video). but it is solid as a rock.


By SoCalBoomer on 5/13/2009 2:42:48 PM , Rating: 2
Here we go!

A: I run multiple labs with both Macs and PCs. We are on a large scale network with a tiered network - and we house a residential network (student body) as well as academic and administrative networks (labs, offices, classrooms, etc.) I have both Mac and PC on my desk.

B: My Mac has just about as many troubles as my PC. Part of it is that I use my Mac for disc restores and other diagnostic crap - just as I do my PC. To be fair, my PC has a TON more crap on it (all sorts of stuff that I try out for the lab. . .looking at config stuff. Yeah, I know I should sandbox it - I'm rotating my workstation anyway so who cares! LOL) so it SHOULD be more unstable. . . only thing that hurts it is Flash (which is evil itself. . .) and all I have to do is restart FF/Pandora and that is fine. It gets rebooted once/week MAX. Mac - about the same. Honestly. Typically it won't wake up, or it hangs on one of the disc utilities. . . oh, and don't get me started on the recent number of "Install and Restart" updates. . .or on having to input my password to do them (instead of just clicking "OK").

C: Going through an authenticated server is HELL on a Mac. Printing through an authenticated server from a PC is as easy as Start-Run-\\server\printer - enter your context\username,password (hashed) - no huhu. From a Mac, well you have to go through CUPS, enter your context\username and password (in PLAINTEXT, thank you) and download/install the PPD and then you're mostly good to go.

D: Issue with network drives is maddening with Macs - Again, with PCs it's Start-Run-\\server\share - enter context\username and password. It's close to the same with Macs - cmd-k-smb://server/share - context, username, password. But if the computer is bound to a domain, after a few weeks you have to be an admin to do it. . .which is not cool. Shouldn't have to be an admin to map a drive.

So Macs are NOT without issue. They work GREAT when they're in their own environment - but connect them to a true Kerberos LDAP environment and issues seem to crop up.


By FITCamaro on 5/13/2009 2:45:42 PM , Rating: 2
When I was encoding a lot of video, I had my video server running 24/7 on XP Pro for 4-5 months.

And given Vista's default setting that makes the computer sleep when you press the "power" button on the start menu, I'd make a bet that many Vista PCs don't shut down that much.


By CrazyBernie on 5/13/2009 4:38:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My PC doesn't crash very often but applications do crash and frequently enough to frustrate me and I am an IT guy and only use WHQL drivers and applications from MS, HP or cisco to do my job.

quote:
However Windows workstations do crash and I wouldn't have a job even they didn't. They crash and crash hard. Even with top Vendors like HP and MS helping shape our software environment they still crash.


I'm an "IT guy," and the last thing I'd be doing is going on about how my PC crashes and that I need to keep rebooting it. I'm pretty sure that would be more detrimental to my job security.

That being said, people who's PC's keep crashing generally have a problem that's not being addressed... or is being ignored in favor of complaining about the problem.


By borowki2 on 5/13/2009 7:33:32 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I run Windows XP in Parellel on my Mac, and I can't recall a single time when either one crashed.


By croc on 5/13/2009 8:51:53 PM , Rating: 2
My workstation has been running for almost a year now, due to the building losing power...

I have a unix box that has an uptime of 3126 days. My cube-neighbour has a MAC, he needs to reboot it every few days due to a memory leak in an application...


By greylica on 5/13/2009 10:50:53 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry for your IT Guy, and for your WHQL, but look at the cooler, memory, contacts, thermal, and you´re done...

After a good maintenance, and a clean install, If your computer crash, then again it´s your IT Guy fault, he don´t have a clue of what he is doing...


But isn't Mac gay?
By Belard on 5/13/2009 9:40:01 AM , Rating: 5
I just watched "Zach and Miri Make a Porno" and the MAC guy is a gay porno star... he loves it hard core.

Funny to watch... kinda scary. I'd repeat some lines here.

SPOILER Alert below!

Zach: I've not seen you videos
Gay Mac: You're not in my demographics.
Zach: What demographic is that?
Gay Mac: Do you like pussy?
Zach: HELL YEAH!!
Gay Mac: Not THAT demographic...




RE: But isn't Mac gay?
By callmeroy on 5/13/2009 9:47:08 AM , Rating: 2
"that Mac" guy in real life went out with Drew Barrymore and supposedly had a short 2-3 month fling with Reese Witherspoon as well....


RE: But isn't Mac gay?
By therealnickdanger on 5/13/2009 10:14:37 AM , Rating: 3
So you're saying he's into fat chicks?

But seriously, I like that actor, he's better than most. I thought he would ruin Die Hard 4, but I actually didn't mind his presence.


RE: But isn't Mac gay?
By callmeroy on 5/13/2009 12:20:44 PM , Rating: 2
Fat chicks? Drew and Reese -- when the hell did this happen? When I saw them last in photos (granted it wasn't within the last few months) they both had smoking bodies....

As for your thoughts about Justin Long (I *think* that's the Mac dude's real name, I could be wrong) -- I rolled my eyes a bit when I saw Die Hard 4 for the first time with him, but he surprised me...he wasn't too bad in that movie.


RE: But isn't Mac gay?
By Chernobyl68 on 5/13/2009 1:00:06 PM , Rating: 2
don't know what Ryan Phillippe was thinking breaking up with Reese...she's a catch.


RE: But isn't Mac gay?
By ClownPuncher on 5/13/2009 1:24:14 PM , Rating: 5
And her chin doubles as a chisel.


RE: But isn't Mac gay?
By Belard on 5/14/2009 1:28:04 AM , Rating: 2
Imagine if PC-Guy was in Diehard 4 instead.


RE: But isn't Mac gay?
By arazok on 5/13/2009 9:50:41 AM , Rating: 2
OMG, I never realized that was the Mac guy! Ahhhhhhahahahah!


RE: But isn't Mac gay?
By Belard on 5/13/2009 10:08:16 AM , Rating: 4
Keep in mind... he later pull out an iPhone and shows a video on it... ;)

Mac is fruity.


RE: But isn't Mac gay?
By Belard on 5/13/2009 10:05:15 AM , Rating: 3
Oops... had to put in the DVD again. Far more accurate below.

SPOILER Alert below with Zach & Miri!

Zack: All male casts? Like "Glengarry Glen Ross", like that?
Gay Mac: Like "Glen and Gary Suck Ross's Meaty Co*k and Drop Their Hairy Nuts in His Eager Mouth".
Zack: [thinking eyes closed] Is that like a sequel?
Gay Mac: Sort of. It's a reimagining.
Zack: Oh, like "The Wiz".
Gay Mac: More erotic. And with less women. No women, to be exact.
Zack: apologize in advance if I am outta line here, but are you in gay porn?
Gay Mac: [smiles] Guilty as charged. [raises a hand]

Gay Mac: I thought you recognized me at first thats why... but you're not my demographic so I'm not insulted.
Zack: Not really, who's your demographic?
Gay Mac: Do you love pussy?
Zack: I do!! [big smile]
Gay Mac: Then NOT you!
Zack: oh, okay.


RE: But isn't Mac gay?
By xti on 5/13/2009 11:13:51 AM , Rating: 2
the movie is f'n hilarious. Justin's short part in it made me colaoutofnose.

too bad apple makes him look like an idiot.


Big misunderstanding about reality.
By fatedtodie on 5/13/2009 10:05:48 AM , Rating: 4
The problem with all these "PCs crash all the time" ads is they don't.

My mom has used the same computer for 7 years never crashed. She is not a IT person and she uses it for every day use. She ALSO has another computer that she uses to teach at an online college, and it has never crashed.

My computer only crashes when I try to test new software and only on my backup system. I have only had 1 unintentional crash in the past 10 years.

While this is just 2 cases, I know from my customers I had when I was tech support, and in the Air Force, and other places the stuff I have seen crashing PCs would crash anything.

Macs crash, PCs crash, heck microwaves can crash if yours is fancy enough, it is the nature of electronics...

To say that PCs crash more than Macs is retarded and misleading.




RE: Big misunderstanding about reality.
By inperfectdarkness on 5/13/2009 10:35:51 AM , Rating: 2
not only that...but seeing has how MS has 10x the market share of apple...i'd expect at least 10x more "horror stories" about pc's than macs.

i can pretty much guarantee that if apple doubled their pc market-share--they truth would quickly spring to light; macs are horridly overpriced platforms that lack more than a modicum of compatibility.


RE: Big misunderstanding about reality.
By Belard on 5/13/2009 10:58:09 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft has 88%+ market share (not sure of that includes pirated systems)

Apple has about 4.5% world-wide market share, almost 7% in the USA... so even if/when Apple doubles it shares, that would be under 15%.

Actually, it would be GOOD for Apple to have more market share, then MS would actually try to make their products better. more competition. Under normal circumstances, MS should have DIED by 1990 with their crappy MS-DOS while modern 16bit computers were using GUI, had graphics and audio. (Mac, Amiga and Atari) But lucky/smart for MS & Bill Gates, IBM dropped the ball on their IP which is what happens when you build a crappy computer with off-the-shelf parts.

MS has the best legal and business team, no bones about that.

For the most part, if all a person does is do stuff on the internet... how many of us really need a PC? (Especially with PC gaming going into the toilet) A PS3/360 for gaming while even a $350 netbook can get you onto the internet and allow you to print to a wireless printer.


By Fenixgoon on 5/13/2009 11:03:34 AM , Rating: 5
Perhaps you'd like to come out with a better OS product that will satisfy 90% of the computer market while maintaining a significant degree of backwards compatibility?

Apple has the luxury of a very small userbase. MS does not.


By acase on 5/13/2009 11:07:05 AM , Rating: 2
They are close enough already...the next gen playstation and/or xbox will probably be no different than a pc


By Digimonkey on 5/13/2009 11:22:29 AM , Rating: 2
Windows was around before 1990, and 3.0 came out in 1990. Don't get me wrong though, I still used MS-DOS to get stuff done, as a gui at that time just made sense for people who couldn't be bothered to learn a few commands.


By inperfectdarkness on 5/13/2009 4:01:51 PM , Rating: 2
well then i'll interject that this is MS's comeuppance for their XBOX.

MS's entire XBOX sales strategy has revolved around sacrificing PC gaming, sales, and support in order to push their console. In doing so, they've unwittingly hoisted themselves on their own petard by nearly eliminating the one truly significant bastion of advantage their OS had over Apple's; gaming compatibility.

So yes, MS won console fans. The cost of $$$ that they're saving on a 360 over a ps3 is nearly enough to cover the cost of buying a mac instead of a PC. Incidentally, i have several friends who are die-hard 360 lovers who are all party-line apple fanatics (macbook, iphone, etc). frankly, this surprises me...because the very things that make a PC "
unattractive" (according to mac ads) are the very things that also seem to plague the xbox--namely, reliability. I'd have pegged mac users for more of the ps3 type (elitist) or wii type (universal acceptance).

Well done, microshaft! Rather than focusing on software (your only redeeming grace) you opted to muscle your way into a market that didn't need you--and you're paying the piper because of it.

FPS PC gaming isn't the only thing that MS has FUBAR'd.


RE: Big misunderstanding about reality.
By ZachDontScare on 5/13/2009 2:27:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
To say that PCs crash more than Macs is retarded and misleading.


Thats the thing, isnt it? The Apple fanboys get into a snit about MS's so-called 'lies' in their ads, yet the Apple ads are blatant lies about the stability of windows.

Since I got XP back in, what 2001, XP an has not 'crashed' once on me during normal use. Same with Vista since 2007. A few times *I* crashed them doing something funky with video memory (I'm a graphics programmer), and a few times I got BSOD's when physical components went bad (ie, bad RAM). But otherwise they've been rock solid.

They have their flaws, sure, but stability isnt one of them.


By robinthakur on 5/14/2009 12:14:25 PM , Rating: 1
At least the Apple ads have humour. Its plain parody. Why people take them seriously is beyond me, given that its just PR and none of the terms are legally actionable...Pc is a very wide terminology, and for the purposes of this just means anything not a Mac.

I was literally shocked when I met some MS guys and gals recently and realized that they take these ads VERY seriously and seemed extremely defensive bordering on paranoid about their own products. One of them (the head of one of their successful server platforms in the UK) said that when he meets new people outside of work he never tells them he works at MS anymore because he gets so much flac for it. They brushed aside the expensive Seinfeld adverts disaster (never even aired in the UK) as being a sleeper campaign and seemed more proud of the "I'm a PC". I think Apple's blatant showdown & throwdown mentality has left those in Redmond scratching their heads a bit, which seems strange as they are at least usually perceived as being the bully in the 200lb Gorilla by most...I sensed a great many at MS feel a bit lost and worried about job cuts etc. currently which is worrying.

Seems that manufactured coolness is hard to come by and Apple has taken the lead with the marketing, leaving MS having to respond. The "$35k to fill an iPod" advert is a really stupid advert which isn't going to speak to the public at all given that most of them either buy their music through iTunes and can't change or steal it off the internet...Mac's are positioned as being more luxurious and better designed than PC's. Price is the last thing on Mac buyer's minds, they just buy what they want. No amount of underlining the specs, will influence them, because its pretty irrelevent, especially as both machines run different OS's. One machine just has a massive amount of useful PR behind...


What's Next
By Ratinator on 5/13/2009 11:17:48 AM , Rating: 5
Let me guess the next one is the Mac guying nailing some chick while the PC guy is giving to a blow up doll.




RE: What's Next
By LuxFestinus on 5/13/2009 4:36:57 PM , Rating: 2
The new Mac. Now with vibrator mode!

And you wonder why the Mac gets the girl?


RE: What's Next
By Sazar on 5/13/2009 5:56:31 PM , Rating: 2
I thought he got the girl because he technically qualified to be eliminated per every single point he raised (crashes, viruses and so forth) but his reality distortion field prevented logic from entering into HIS equation, which is why he ended up with the girl.

It's like a horror movie where a friend of a protagonist is bitten by some deadly bug but decides not to tell anyone and then ends up infecting everyone else :) That's Apple


OMG... Enough already!
By Tegrat on 5/13/2009 10:54:15 AM , Rating: 2
The first couple of MAC commercials were comical. Now they are "Replace your advertising campaign" boring. At least change the freaking white background or something....

I had some respect for Mac's until these "bashing" commercials came out... I guess if you can't beat'em... Bash'em!

Start spending some advertising money selling YOUR product, not bashing your competition.




RE: OMG... Enough already!
By adiposity on 5/13/2009 12:32:57 PM , Rating: 2
They are still effective at promoting the idea that Macs are more stable. They plant that kernel, and the next time someone sees a bluescreen, it reinforces it. And yes, Vista still bluescreens...

So far my Windows7 machine hasn't had a single problem. But then, my Windows XP machine never did either. As a tech support guy, though, I've seen my share of nasty Windows problems, though...

-Dan


RE: OMG... Enough already!
By Helbore on 5/13/2009 1:27:49 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly, the last blue screen I saw - that wasn't related to faulty hardware or beta-quality drivers - was on Windows ME.

I haven't seen a single application or OS fault cause a blue screen on an NT platform since Windows 2000. Heck, I don't think I ever saw it on NT4, either, but that's too long ago for me to remember. I work in IT, too, so I'm not simply referring to my last 3 PCs.

Anyone have any clue what a Mac does if its memory modules are faulty? Either it has an equivalent to a blue screen or it just freezes up. Either way, the problems that cause blue screens on PCs would have the same effect on a similarly crippled Mac- and please I don't want anyone telling me that Macs never suffer hardware faults, cos I know they do!


RE: OMG... Enough already!
By adiposity on 5/13/2009 4:47:35 PM , Rating: 2
We use a lot of Dell's in my company. Every once in a while, one will bluescreen. Sometimes firmware updates fixes it, sometimes driver updates, sometimes we just ignore them because they only happen every six months.

It's probably a hardware issue. But, it's still an issue for any PC user that runs into it.

Macs obviously have hardware faults. Of course. But it really is an advantage that they have so few hardware configurations. They have fewer drivers to worry about, and they don't have to "support" some third party audio card. If they see hardware failures, there's a better chance they've seen the exact hardware failure before.

Obviously, neither is foolproof.

-Dan


Tired....
By Natfly on 5/13/2009 11:00:37 AM , Rating: 2
It's like a parrot repeating the same thing over and over. "Bugs! Crashes! Restarts! Viruses!" It's sad that this is Apple's only argument (and invalid at that) but even sadder that their marketing actually works on the majority of the public.




RE: Tired....
By PascalT on 5/13/2009 11:11:31 AM , Rating: 5
The Mac ads are similar to Paris Hilton. Pretty on the surface but with no essence whatsoever inside.

I guess the average Joe might think that PCs "crash all the time" and Apple is abusing the population's computer knowledge level. I've been using Vista for 2 years and it has not crashed a single time and I use it everyday. I've also never had any problems with viruses or bugs, not once.

Macs are just PCs with a cute OS and plastic covers. I don't want to pay double the price (or more) for that. Or to look cool.


MIA
By DigitalFreak on 5/13/2009 2:27:36 PM , Rating: 5
Pirks called and said he would have been here to post his usual worthless Apple drivel, but he's having his nose removed from Steve Jobs' ass at the moment.




RE: MIA
By Pirks on 5/13/09, Rating: 0
Bad news for MS and Apple
By amanojaku on 5/13/2009 9:57:43 AM , Rating: 2
I don't like either of their girls, and I don't build my systems because they were recommended by a piece of @$$. If you're going to insult my intelligence and stimulate my wiener, try using a Google or FireFox girl. And remember that I still BUILD MY OWN PC. Which runs Linux.




RE: Bad news for MS and Apple
By adiposity on 5/13/2009 12:29:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And remember that I still BUILD MY OWN PC. Which runs Linux.


Let me guess, you aren't affected by car commercials either, since you only ride bikes that you put together from spare parts?

Seriously, can't you tell these commercials are not aimed at you? They are targeted at the market of casual users who don't know either operating system well enough to be loyal; they just want to read e-mail and surf the internet. If they knew anything (let alone how to put together their own computer and install and use GPL software), they would not be buying Macs or HPs.

So who gives a crap if they insult your intelligence? It's only an insult if you think you are the demographic for ads about whether "PCs" or "Macs" are better.

-Dan


Further and further
By djc208 on 5/13/2009 10:12:34 AM , Rating: 2
Considering I just installed the 64-bit RC of Windows 7 on a system I threw together from old parts (some of which do not technically meet the minimum system requirements for Win 7 x64), and not only did it install, but did so without hickup or complaint, I see these Mac adds as only being further and further from the truth.




RE: Further and further
By Inkjammer on 5/13/2009 11:51:22 AM , Rating: 2
The ads are true, but hold weight for Windows XP primarily. Not so much Vista/Windows 7. I know a lot of people here aren't fans of Vista, but as an IT tech, I've seen next to no reports of Vista malware infections/viruses. I /know/ they happen, but I almost never hear of them coming up. XP? Sure. Especially unpatched XP systems.

Apple's win-bashing holds a lot of truth, it's just a truth that's becoming less relevant. The way Apple makes things out to be you'd think within the first week of owning a PC it'll spontaneously burst into flames (no, that was Windows ME).


Way to advertise
By MrPoletski on 5/13/2009 1:10:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
without crashing, viruses or a ton of headaches."


That's just ASKING for an advertising standards investigation (lobbied for by MS of course).

MACs can give all those things, especially virii. I am suprised they can tacity claim that macs don't get virii and get away with it. The only reason there are not as many on macs is because they are not so widely used.

Bad play, Apple. *thumbs down*




RE: Way to advertise
By tmouse on 5/13/2009 2:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
McFans like to point out how they have very few viruses and leap to the conclusion that the OS MUST be more secure. I have heard this poorly thought out argument from several of the Apple using members of my department. I answer back that is the same line of reasoning as this:

Fact: Fat, Ugly foul smelling people have less STDs than the rest of the population.
Your conclusion: Fat, Ugly foul smelling people are more moral
Real reason: No one want to have sex with them.

There are far less Apple viruses because NO ONE is interested in writing them.


By sapiens74 on 5/13/2009 2:12:00 PM , Rating: 1
Then you can take her to Blizzcon and lather her up with talk about Starcraft 2 and how your new ATI card will play WoW at 900 FPS!


By FITCamaro on 5/13/2009 2:41:51 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah because with a comment like that, you sound like you're a Banana Republic model yourself...


By just4U on 5/13/2009 10:13:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It'd be good to see commercials which focus on the real advantages of each platform


The average computer user that the ads pander to would probably be quite bored by comercials like that. Im a little surprised they talked about ram, hard drives (ect) in the MS comercials but overall it seemed to work out pretty well. If it got to complicated people would likely tune out.

The Mac comercials are really dumbed down for pure entertainment.. and the Windows comercials just sort of hint at technical advantages. I think that's the best your going to see out of a successful computer ad for the masses.




By ThePooBurner on 5/13/2009 11:28:07 AM , Rating: 2
Have a commercial format identical to apple's and have a buff guy that all the ladies think is a hunk and want to have babies with (or the act that makes them anyway) and have him be a patched gaming/multimedia box and insult the macs... "computer-hood" and have him walk away defeated because he can't be upgraded at all and have megan pick the PC because "with the right parts, nothing satisfies more ;)". It could be image/stylish/bashy enough to really hit home with the mac demographic and win users.




FUD
By vulcanproject on 5/13/2009 11:51:31 AM , Rating: 2
i havent seen these commercials on tv, only online as i am from the uk. but the impression i am getting is that apple are using an awful lot of FUD against pc, whereas amazingly microsoft are relying on simple pricing arguments.

call me bias, but i dont like the fact apple are spreading FUD and not making any actual, solid, factual points. whereas microsoft are hammering away at what consumers are really thinking about right now, their wallets.




By omgwtf8888 on 5/13/2009 12:30:55 PM , Rating: 2
A room full full of business men interviewing a young (mac) looking kid. They ask him about his business computer skills. He says I have a really pretty screen and my music sounds awesome. The main interviewer, says "thats real cute sonny and the room full of business men burst into laughter, and point and laugh... the camera pans out to a building then an entire city laughing..

The narrator and text come up and say, "The business world runs on Microsoft"




By Dorkyman on 5/13/2009 12:32:27 PM , Rating: 2
So let me get this straight:

At the end of the commercial the girl goes for the gay guy with no muscle mass whatsoever? Not in my world.

BTW my homebuilt PC runs 24/7, uses Avast Antivirus (free), doubles as a server for my websites, and is an infinitely more flexible platform than anything Apple offers. So there.

Oh, and I used to work for Apple and harbor no ill will towards them. Good company, but bulls**t commercials.




apple.com problems?
By brinox on 5/13/2009 1:11:54 PM , Rating: 2
So i just went to apple.com to watch the new apple ads, but more than half of them were skipping and freezing. i even tried my decently powered workstation just to make sure my notebook wasnt the cause (and it wasnt).

I even tried IE... I dont know the underlying point here, but its quite ironic for me to have PC symptoms on apple.com




Apple Same Pricing Level
By SpaceJumper on 5/13/2009 1:55:57 PM , Rating: 2
I have not thing against Apple. If Apple drops the pricing to the affordable level like any other average PC computers, Apple will get my vote. I am sure if Apple do that Microsoft will be really hurting.




Mac crash indicators
By kyleb2112 on 5/13/2009 5:23:22 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't Apple have a literal bomb icon to depict a system crash? I seem to remember a car crash sound effect, too. Hard to claim your OS never crashes with a history of cutesy crash indicators under your belt. And at least a BSOD never made light of my pain.




Lucky for some...
By Buz on 5/13/2009 6:04:05 PM , Rating: 2
I went to the site, but can't even watch without installing some proprietary software! Based on past experiences with apple software design, there's no way I'm letting this one through.




A girl ?
By greylica on 5/13/2009 10:39:38 PM , Rating: 2
They kidnapped Linux Ideas...
I tough the girls was for Linux comercials only.

Linux connects both worlds and make them very happy...

lol




MAC
By ol1bit on 5/14/2009 10:29:04 AM , Rating: 2
Even though I've never owned a MAC and I've had PCs since the Atari 400 days, I love these commercials.

I also think Macs are better for most people. The number of calls we get for PCs is amazing, this doesn't run, or app a conflicts with app b, which causes strange behavior in app c.

To me it's amazing that a non-pc can even compete. Think about the OS they have to write and then compete with the 900 pound Microsoft.




Finally saw the AD with the girl
By Belard on 5/15/2009 5:00:31 PM , Rating: 2
Pretty good.

PC guys pretty much runs off. Mac guy is getting laid.




By MarioJP on 5/18/2009 2:37:01 AM , Rating: 2
this was a quick release ad. sounds like a quick attack on ms. Looks like ms ads did somehow put a small dent on apple's image lol.




The thing is
By SavagePotato on 5/13/2009 11:09:12 AM , Rating: 1
When you think about it, for the average home user that surfs, reads some email, and types a letter or two ubuntu linux is the better platform than mac os if you get right down to it.

You don't need the expensive hardware, it's more secure, as stable, and free. The only thing it lacks is access to the minute amount of professional software the mac has access to, and for a surf and email user, who cares.

It seems to me that market is exactly who the mac is targeting heavily, the home user who knows nothing and believes that their windows pc is a problem because their kids infected it 57 times by downloading smilies, codecs, and other crapware.

As far as I'm concerned the only validity the mac has in the market is the few people that use and are dependent on the minor amount of professional editing software that is exclusive to it. Which in reality don't need an overpriced mac either, but have just become dependent on those few pieces of software. Ironic isn't it, since that's the very reason so many people bash Microsoft, for locking people into their platform. Yet you can get office for a mac. Hypocrisy at it's finest.




These commercials are silly, but...
By finbarqs on 5/13/09, Rating: -1
"If you look at the last five years, if you look at what major innovations have occurred in computing technology, every single one of them came from AMD. Not a single innovation came from Intel." -- AMD CEO Hector Ruiz in 2007














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