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The original NES sold 62 million units.  (Source: Nintendo)

One of the $12 "TV computers" -- basically an NES clone -- plugged into graduate student Derek Lomas' TV. He plans to use the design to create an internet-ready OLPC competitor.  (Source: Derek Lomas)

An Indian retailer proudly displays the NES knockoff.  (Source: Derek Lomas )
Students are convinced they can beat the OLPC product with a modified version of the original Nintendo console that is internet ready

The One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project has yielded a mix of success and failure.  On the positive side, it has managed to put together a relatively low cost, fully functional laptop; the XO.  On the downside many features were left out, including the sometimes criticized, sometimes praised idea of crank power generation.  Also on the not-so-good front, the laptop, which was supposed to be a $100 laptop, ballooned to a cost of $188.  Other bad news came when chipmaker Intel pulled out of the project, launching a potential competitor -- a second generation Classmate notebook.

Now a group of MIT students look to add to OLPC's woes by offering up a functional computer at a far lower price -- around $15 to $20 USD.  American graduate student Derek Lomas was inspired on how to design the device when he came across a "TV" computer selling for $12 USD in India.  The computer was nothing more than a clone/rip-off of the original Nintendo Entertainment System (NES), with more functionality added.  The device was so similar it accepted NES cartridges.

The computer features the same technology as the NES -- a muscular 1.78-MHz 8-bit processor, a gargantuan 2k of video memory and the ability to display 256-by-240 pixels in 25 colors.  Originally launching in 1985 in the U.S., the console went on to sell 62 million units worldwide, and was a runaway success that remained a culture icon into the 1990s.  Its games still sell through the Nintendo Wii's Virtual Console legacy system.

The popularity led to many knockoff models, such as the Victor-70 that Mr. Lomas encountered.  Many of these models were unlicensed machines manufactured in China.  Mr. Lomas states, "A lot of the Srishti Design students who saw me playing with this used to have one themselves, several years ago. Back then, this cost nearly 3,000 rupees [$75 U.S.]."

Unlike the NES, though, all the hardware including the memory, processor and cartridge case are not contained in a plastic housing, but rather inside a large keyboard.  Game controllers and a mouse can also attach to the keyboard, which plugs directly into the television.  Online retailers in India sell the Victor-70 for a slightly higher price of $23.99.  The product may actually be legal as in the U.S. patents expire after 20 years. 

One potential benefit of a modified Victor-70 is it would feature the Basic programming language, to make programming easy for new users.  At the Development Design Summit held at MIT yearly, Mr. Lomas plans on presenting his findings.  He and a group of other international graduate students and designers hope to transform the Victor-70 into a modern computer.  They are confident they can add internet access and other perks while keeping the price low.

Another alternative to the Victor-70 is a laptop Mr. Lomas encountered in Indian markets which retails for $15 USD, and comes with a blank and white LCD screen.

Whichever the team chooses, if they are able to keep costs beneath $20, they may have a hit on their hands.  Despite the lower capabilities and the inability to use a modern OS, you could buy 9-10 units of their device for the cost of one OLPC, given these prices.  The OLPC may be more powerful, but the MIT team's computer may prove more practical.

The OLPC project was actually founded at MIT, in a slight irony of history.





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Misguided?
By drebo on 8/8/2008 10:43:17 AM , Rating: 5
I'm not entirely sure what the point of this whole initiative is. We're trying to put computers on the desks of every child, including those in the third world? Ok. I understand this is some kind of philanthropic gesture, but I'm pretty sure most of them would rather have a bowl of rice and a glass of water than an Internet-ready computer they can plug in to...oh wait.

Our priorities are way screwed up.




RE: Misguided?
By Polynikes on 8/8/2008 10:50:07 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah... This OLPC thing is pretty pointless, if you ask me.


RE: Misguided?
By Nik00117 on 8/8/2008 1:33:39 PM , Rating: 5
Differnet poeple speacilize in different areas. Let the farmers of America find a way to feed the poor children of Africa, let the IT professionals find a way to get those kids cheap computers so they can better explore the world around them.

The idea is to expand, give them something some relief bring them up to date. So many poeple sya "get them rice" blah blah blah. Give a man a fish you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, feed his family for life. We aren't giving them the here and now, we are giving them the then and tomorrow hwihc is far more important.


RE: Misguided?
By mcmilljb on 8/8/2008 5:10:25 PM , Rating: 5
Give them a school, and they can learn whatever they want there! Students should have a computer lab at their school, it's more cost effective this way. We don't have the best tools to make computer learning effective, so it should only be used as an extra tool in the classroom. Doing math problems on paper is more effective than just plugging into the calculator on the computer. They need more teachers like everyone else, so they can provide more individualized attention to students.

more better teachers >>>>>>> cheap laptops


RE: Misguided?
By mino on 8/9/2008 12:59:42 PM , Rating: 1
Do You realize that the OLPC, in essence, is an EXTREMELY CHEAP alternative to good teachers ?

Given the current political situation (especially in Africa), it is more-less impossible to build and fund a good educational system in those countries.

If corectly executed, PC can give them the knowledge and hope they learn it up themselves.
... for maybe 1/100 the price of building a system to teache them the same knowledge...

You have to think outside the box to get the point of this kind of projects.


RE: Misguided?
By freaqie on 8/11/2008 5:24:34 AM , Rating: 4
Do You realize that the OLPC, in essence, is an EXTREMELY CHEAP alternative to good teachers ?

not with 3 world wages they aren't

teachers are better in every way.
and if we spend money on these country's
why not do it on something like,

giving them better agricultural machinery.

or techniques so they can fight locust swarms or droughts.

something they actually benefit from.


RE: Misguided?
By johnadams on 8/11/2008 11:24:08 AM , Rating: 2
Not to mention the miriad of things a real-life teacher can teach that a dead junk OLPC simply can't; Discipline, empathy, kindness, wisdom, honor, respect, etc... No, "Video Classroom" software does not teach the above as effective as a real human being. And c'mon they're just kids, keep it real y'all.

Also, even at USD 30, OLPCs still cost an arm to some 3rd world countries. Dump site scavengers in parts of Africa earn less than USD 1 for a full day's work and they often return home with nothing! Divide USD 1 with the average number of children in the household. Get the picture?

The powers that be should be giving that OLPC junk away for free, and package it nicely in a hamper full of food, daily necessities, and clothes.

Come to think of it, I don't even think they'd be able to power those OLPC laptops since infrastructure is so bad in some areas. I'm sure some day some "non-profit" organization would ask donors to buy an OLPC for children in Africa, keep 50% of the money as "administrative costs", and deliver OLPC bricks to most of the villages with no electricity. Then, they pick one or two villagers who are clueless as to what is going on, put them in a posh crib, bribe them with Snicker bars and get them to smile on camera showing a thumb up whilst holding an OLPC.


RE: Misguided?
By Adonlude on 8/8/2008 5:18:42 PM , Rating: 2
Excuse me, your age is showing. BUMBLEBEE TUNA... bumblebee tuna.


RE: Misguided?
By CascadingDarkness on 8/8/2008 5:52:38 PM , Rating: 5
Sorry, the farmers of America are busy deciding whether or not to convert their food stuffs to Ethanol. Free market doesn't necessarily mean everyone gets feed if it's not cost effective.


RE: Misguided?
By GaryJohnson on 8/10/2008 1:23:56 AM , Rating: 3
Unless you believe ethanol subsidies are to blame for artificially inflating ethanol demand. Subsidies are a symptom of a very much un-free market.


RE: Misguided?
By MrAlnut on 8/9/2008 1:34:45 AM , Rating: 4
Modern day equivalent: Give a man a fish, feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day.


RE: Misguided?
By Polynikes on 8/14/2008 7:40:21 PM , Rating: 2
Well when they can't afford fishing equipment, or they're suffering from a debilitating disease, all the knowledge in the world isn't going to help.

Their priorities do not include computers.


RE: Misguided?
By OrSin on 8/8/2008 2:05:30 PM , Rating: 5
Why do everyone think all third world countries people are staving and sleeping on rock piles. This is for those area where the childern eat every day and go to school every day. The schools are sometimes 1 room school house and dont offer a great deal of knowledge, but they are still schools. Most third world area are like 1880-1900 rural America. Small towns, home grown food, grazing live stock, and poorly run schools and government. Understand thier is a middle ground bewteen fat spoiled Americans and starving homeless childern.


RE: Misguided?
By AnnihilatorX on 8/8/2008 10:50:58 AM , Rating: 5
You are missing the big picture here. It's not about priorities.

OLPC is meant for education purpose. In the third world printed textbooks are simply out of reach to most children. We all understand how education is important in improving living standard. Feeding a child for life until they reach adulthood is not a solution, as it is a cycle that repeats. Their next generations would not have their living standard improved and thereafter. That's why even thrid world parents are sending kids to school whenever they can afford them. I believe OLPC can make education more accessable.


RE: Misguided?
By therealnickdanger on 8/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: Misguided?
By lightfoot on 8/8/2008 1:02:33 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
So what is little Zubunta to do...

At a $20 price you can have the PC and the AK-47, it's no longer a choice between survival or education - now you can have both.

Starvation in the modern age is mostly related to war, not due to lack of food.


RE: Misguided?
By taber on 8/8/2008 1:36:29 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that there are some areas where this wouldn't make sense, but I could see OLPC having some worthwhile markets. If you're just sending text a 14.4k modem for a village would provide a wealth of information. With ad-hoc networks they turn in their paper by emailing it to their local instructor (or elsewhere if they have that 14.4k connection). Computers from 20 years ago were useful to us, it's not like everybody needs to start with a modern computer.

There's no guarantee that giving an individual knowledge to solve their problems will help, but I think it would help occasionally. What's wrong with giving them an opportunity to leave their village and work abroad? If someone is successful elsewhere there's always a chance they'll try to bring that success home or at least send part of their earnings home.


RE: Misguided?
By mabright on 8/8/2008 11:16:10 AM , Rating: 3
If the point is to supply paperless textbooks to third world children, then why aren't we sending them Amazon Kindles?


RE: Misguided?
By joemoedee on 8/8/2008 11:32:44 AM , Rating: 2
It's to get them the vast information, mostly misinformation, available on the Internet.

Personally, I don't see the worth in the project.

However, if one was to do it, I don't see limiting it to NES power. There's plenty of more powerful CPUs out there with similar or lower pricing.


RE: Misguided?
By StevoLincolnite on 8/8/2008 1:07:13 PM , Rating: 2
Why doesn't Commodore re-release the Commodore 64 in mass production for these places but significantly souped up?
Would be a better way for them to regain there foot hold once again in the tech arena by giving them the necessary funds.

Plus you can also code in Basic (Beginners All Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code) - Heck I learnt how to code in Basic when I was a kid on that machine.
Plus there is also an already large established software base also.


RE: Misguided?
By mabright on 8/8/2008 1:26:55 PM , Rating: 2
I started with the TI 99-4a...Literally a keyboard computer with no storage that had Basic and hooked to the TV. It was $200 in the early '80s, how much could it possibly cost now?


RE: Misguided?
By StevoLincolnite on 8/8/2008 4:06:17 PM , Rating: 2
Possibly classed as an Antique in this Day and Age, but the thing this system they are showing though is a lack of a printer, where the Commodore 64's had the Dot Matrix Printer. (WHOA!)

Personally, I see so many Pentium 166's to Pentium 3's 1.4ghz thrown out at the dump it's not funny, Perhaps the "Recycling" programs that companies like Dell runs could be repaired and given to the less fortunate?


RE: Misguided?
By drebo on 8/8/2008 4:13:11 PM , Rating: 5
It used to be that when a corporation was replacing its computers, it would give the old computers to public schools. Now-adays, public schools won't accept anything that's not brand new.

Remember the old saying that "beggars can't be choosers"? It seems that our society has thrown it out the window. I heard an advertisement on the radio for a Salvation Army clothing drive. They explicitly stated that any donations had to be brand new, with receipt. In my mind, someone who doesn't have the wherewithall to purchase their own brand new clothes should be happy to get anything that fits and isn't falling apart, whether it's new or used. Same thing should apply to electronic donations.

Unfortunately, our society, in the mighty image of Karl Marx, believes that everyone is entitled to the same standard of living as everyone else, regardless of effort put in.


RE: Misguided?
By Penti on 8/9/2008 1:54:11 AM , Rating: 2
There are plenty of newer computers being thrown away (think P4).

However because software licensing problems it's not really a matter of just refurbish the hardware. You won't have the original OEM media, so you can't reinstall windows and it would be in the wrong language anyway, what you're saying works in North Korea, where they just pirate an english Windows version. But not any where else really, countries where piracy is legal (Iran for example) wouldn't even buy those refurbished computers with pirated software. They are those who sell refurbished computers in say latin america anyway, but it's really just an expensive way of getting a used computer there. It would really need to be run with cooperation from Microsoft and with no cost to the recipient. But both the refurbers and microsoft wants money. Even stone poor North Korea pays for there used computers without windows licenses.

I don't think it's really worth it selling those systems. It should be done on an all volunteer basis, but that means pirated software in todays world. It doesn't really matter if the OEMs do it them selfs they would still need to license software for a second time. Schools would need more then just Windows anyway. Microsoft do have licensing models for refurbished computers but it still costs money. It's not worth it buying used refurbished computers, they are overpriced, and they could have bought like atom-laptops instead, or for stationary computers those cheap mini ITX-boards with Atom and Celeron 220 (Conroe-L based 1.2GHz singlecore). The Atom 230-boards should even be able to do x86-64 and they just cost $80 US dollars, (i know dollars has lost it value, it looks much cheaper here). Pop in a DDR2 stick, get a case and powersupply and some storage and your good to go. Of course a normal m-ATX board with integrated graphics and a cpu wouldn't cost much more. A problem though is that the license cost almost as much as the computer. Effectively almost doubling the price. Of course they need all the peripherals too.


RE: Misguided?
By Alexstarfire on 8/10/2008 7:33:58 AM , Rating: 3
Ummmm, and what about using Linux?


RE: Misguided?
By DASQ on 8/11/2008 11:35:21 AM , Rating: 2
Shipping hundreds of thousands of kilograms of old junky computers overseas is NOT worth the cost. Even if those computers were FREE, the shipping cost if a gigantic AT tower with a 14" CRT is probably approaching the cost of many of these 'OLPC' programs. They might as well just give them a semi-modern system.


RE: Misguided?
By FITCamaro on 8/8/2008 11:49:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
In the third world printed textbooks are simply out of reach to most children.


But a laptop which requires power is within reach? Or this new device that not only requires power but also a working television?

Last I checked, laptops can break and aren't that durable. A book doesn't break.


RE: Misguided?
By tastyratz on 8/8/2008 1:07:16 PM , Rating: 2
A book doesn't break?
Please show me to the rip proof, stain proof, book you have that is not comprised of fragile paper only thousandths of an inch thick. I am sure I will need guidance getting through the mansion of the guy who invested it.

An electronic device can last many years if built properly - even longer without moving parts. How many Nintendo's still function after production so many years ago? How many school books are still in circulation from then? How many of those books are still accurate?

Information is always changing. If their schools could afford to buy them books they wouldn't be able to afford to keep up with them. The amount of information available through 1 internet connection far surpasses all the books any of those schools could ever afford in their lifetime. The information they could reach is endless - not just a few hundred pages.

I think this is an important project for all the areas - war torn or not. If they don't educate their children with the tools they may need to survive there is nothing stopping them from growing up to being a guerrilla. That situation is self perpetuating and to break it they need education.

Look at all the outsourcing being done in other countries. They may not have a word processor and printer available in all areas- but foreign countries do. This will give them the potential workforce to develop an economy and drag them out of poverty even if only a little.


RE: Misguided?
By lightfoot on 8/8/2008 1:11:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Last I checked, laptops can break and aren't that durable. A book doesn't break.

But a laptop can provide thousands of books worth of information for the price of a few textbooks. Memory and bandwidth are a fair amount cheaper than paper, printing and shipping. Also if you generate your own power (say by winding it up or using a pullstring) you don't need a larger power grid.


RE: Misguided?
By freaqie on 8/11/2008 5:31:36 AM , Rating: 2
true but if it breaks after let say 5 years...
books can last foor 20 years easily.
and math etc does not cheange that much over the years...
so that should be in a book.
geography and language however...


RE: Misguided?
By drebo on 8/8/2008 12:05:04 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Feeding a child for life until they reach adulthood is not a solution


Isn't that what my parents, what your parents, did to us until we were old enough to feed ourselves?

The internet has spoiled us. I never had the internet in school (until way later). My text books still had the USSR on the map in the mid-to-late 90's. If 10-year-old, outdated text books are good enough for our own people, why aren't they good enough for the third world?

The only people who can improve their standard of living are themselves. A computer is a luxury item, not a necessity. The internet is not a necessity. It seems to me that primary needs should be taken care of (food, shelter, water) before we go wasting all kinds of our own money on something they can't even really use and probably don't care about.

I'm all for developing the third world and improving quality of life, but giving them a computer isn't going to do that any better than giving them a luxury SUV. We need to start at the bottom. Build better dwelling units, improve infrastructure, modernize their farming, and democratize their governments. Do this, give them an exportable resource, and the rest of the problems will fix themselves.


RE: Misguided?
By BZDTemp on 8/8/2008 2:01:41 PM , Rating: 2
I think you have misunderstood the OLPC program.

The OLPC project is of course not about bringing computers to those with no food it is about bringing computers to those which have just what they need. They idea is that education makes people smart and more education make people ever smarter. Those smart people may perhaps see ways to improve there life and the life of those around them. OLPC is perhaps a way to let some people go quickly from a situation where they may just be able to write their name to a situation that let them do so much more.

My favorite charity is UNICEF. Not because they bring food and vaccinations to children but because they also bring pencils and paper and books to children. It's third world aid not only for the hand-to-mouth problems but also for the long run. In a sense helping those children having a better chance of aiding them self someday AND perhaps also helping the people around them.


RE: Misguided?
By drebo on 8/8/2008 4:07:26 PM , Rating: 4
If it's true that this is only about education, then we should be shipping all of our old text books to them. Solve the disposal problem as well as further their educations.

A computer and the internet are not needs. One can get just as good an education without a computer as one could with a computer. Some people might even argue that the education is better.

To me, this entire initiative is nothing more than a big, political, public image-driven circle-jerk. There's no money to be made in it, it serves no greater good or purpose (more than, say, actually going over and teaching or sending food and water and clothing), and it's not even practical.


RE: Misguided?
By Carter642 on 8/8/2008 4:31:51 PM , Rating: 2
The problem with shipping textbooks is printing and more significantly distribution. You can send out as many copies of a text file as you want for the same amount of money rather than paying by the ton to ship them if you can even locate who you're trying to ship it to.

Super cheap computers with network access can take the place of a whole library. Personally though I'd rather see them make an e-ink based device with say a spine with wifi and a very simple interface just for reading books. We need to make libraries easy to access and view, not so much facebook and IM.


RE: Misguided?
By drebo on 8/8/2008 8:07:45 PM , Rating: 1
Computers generally weigh a heck of a lot more than books do. Books are far easier to ship, too. Much less environmentally sensitive. Not as much padding.

In the bulk shipping industry, you pay a LOT more for volume than you do for weight.

Shipping argument doesn't fly. It's no more economical to ship 40 computers than it is to ship a classroom set of books.


RE: Misguided?
By jeff834 on 8/9/2008 11:47:55 PM , Rating: 2
Your mistake is comparing 1 textbook to 1 computer. Where in actuality 1 computer equals 100, 1000, or 10000 textbooks. Both computers and textbooks can make a difference but ultimately a very inexpensive computer is much more cost effective than 100 textbooks.


RE: Misguided?
By BZDTemp on 8/9/2008 8:26:59 AM , Rating: 2
EH - and how much good would your old text books do? It may come as a surprise to you but English is not the language used in every country in the world (far from actually - by example English is my third language).

And why should the developing nations have to settle for old used text books. What good does it to have them learn outdated stuff when there is a way to supply them current knowledge? Plus they surely need to learn other things not covered in western text books.

It seems to me that you have not realized what this is about. It is about bringing the basic education in struggling countries closer to our standard. Maybe it was no so when you was in school or when I was in school but these days kids in our schools get their own laptops. And there are computers all over the place - in fact that is the very infrastructure which lets us have this exchange of views across the globe.

Bringing better education to developing nations mean they will eventually be able to do better. Why is that wrong?


RE: Misguided?
By JustTom on 8/10/2008 12:05:18 AM , Rating: 2
So we ship books written in American English to people speaking Swahili....


RE: Misguided?
By Baked on 8/8/2008 1:37:01 PM , Rating: 2
They don't even have electricity... sometimes the smartest people are the dumbest when it comes to common sense.


RE: Misguided?
By BZDTemp on 8/9/2008 8:33:00 AM , Rating: 2
And you know this how?

For example cell phones are used as a tool to transfer money over distances in many African countries. How do you think they power those phones?

Sure there are many places without power but it is not like nobody has power.


RE: Misguided?
By stonemetal on 8/8/2008 7:43:23 PM , Rating: 5
Haven't you heard the old adage give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, give a man a $12 computer and you can farm IT work out to him for pennies a day.


RE: Misguided?
By wordsworm on 8/13/2008 9:10:25 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I understand this is some kind of philanthropic gesture, but I'm pretty sure most of them would rather have a bowl of rice and a glass of water than an Internet-ready computer they can plug in to...oh wait.


Yeah, that's right. Knowledge has never contributed to growing food or getting water. Education isn't the key to getting out of poverty. I'm sure glad you're not the one calling the shots. I think you've got your priority way screwed up. Bravo to the folks who're bringing means of education to the less fortunate.

And for those of you who suggest that books are better... a single textbook of decent quality goes for about $100+. If they can get a computer into their hands for less than the cost of a book, which can provide for them an endless bounty of knowledge, and potentially a source of income. Of course, they might end up taking American jobs, and that's the true issue here: fear. Fear of the poor guy taking some money from the rich guy. Well, good luck to them. Really, if they make $5 per day, they'd have all the wealth they'd need to buy a bowl of rice for themselves and everyone else in their family.


I don't get it
By stlrenegade on 8/8/2008 10:57:28 AM , Rating: 5
This MIT grad student developed a computer based off a NES. But he did this because he saw one being sold in India. Doesn't this mean that it has already been developed, in India? Isn't he basically copying what someone else has already done?

The article sounds like some grad student came up with a way to make a PC out of an NES for $12, when we dig a bit deeper and find out it's already been done for $15 in India. Wow.




RE: I don't get it
By joemoedee on 8/8/2008 11:23:57 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The article sounds like some grad student came up with a way to make a PC out of an NES for $12, when we dig a bit deeper and find out it's already been done for $15 in India. Wow.


Agreed, the product is already out there. He didn't come up with anything.


RE: I don't get it
By bety on 8/8/2008 3:32:25 PM , Rating: 2
Stupid haters! Didnt you read? If you don't like his invention, there is also a black and white laptop he can copy! He is the Edison of our time. He deserves a PHD NOW for bringing us the wonders of the Chinese black market! Shame on all of you!


RE: I don't get it
By bety on 8/8/2008 3:34:42 PM , Rating: 2
He knows where to find products to copy/"invent". If his copies don't work well, then he can be the next Bill Gates!
Haters!!!


RE: I don't get it
By FITCamaro on 8/8/2008 11:50:44 AM , Rating: 2
I think he's adding functionality to it. Don't believe it has an ethernet port right now. Or a web browser.


RE: I don't get it
By mabright on 8/8/2008 12:58:34 PM , Rating: 2
WebTV anybody?


RE: I don't get it
By StevoLincolnite on 8/8/2008 4:10:40 PM , Rating: 2
In 25 colors?


RE: I don't get it
By johnsonx on 8/8/2008 7:38:30 PM , Rating: 5
It's yet another Jason Mick article. You must get over any expectation that the content of the article will match the title.

The article title should be "MIT student gets an idea for a low cost computer from another low cost computer already being sold; he hasn't really done anything yet, but since I'm Jason Mick I'll make it sound really sensational".

There, all fixed.


Price...
By DragonMaster0 on 8/8/2008 11:20:12 AM , Rating: 3
One problem : at $12, you still need Wi-Fi(cable mess otherwise), a monitor, a power supply (individual power adapters or what? It also means you need electricity)




RE: Price...
By omnicronx on 8/8/2008 1:02:09 PM , Rating: 2
I really doubt it will have wifi.. but.. it the power supply seems to come with it, so its already included in that 15$ price, an internal Ethernet card could be had for a few dollars, and as the article states, it connects to a TV with RCA cables. And old CRT tube monitor can be had for 10-20 bucks if you know where to look.. and it doubles as a TV ;).. that is if you don't already own one.


RE: Price...
By ajdavis on 8/10/2008 11:21:07 PM , Rating: 2
Let's just hop on down to the nearest Walmart and pick up an NES Ethernet card.

Oh wait, they don't make those.


RE: Price...
By Mitch101 on 8/8/2008 1:05:14 PM , Rating: 2
I think some of you might be too young to remember the Atari 800xl, Commodore 64, or TI99-4A. Plenty practical in their day. Plenty more I just kept it to the popular few.

Insert your old jokes here.


How long do these consoles last?
By VoodooChicken on 8/8/2008 10:49:15 AM , Rating: 2
We haven't been able to get our old NES up and running correctly in over 10 years. There's been only a couple games that were even playable onscreen, even after the "tried & true" method of blowing and rubbing the cartridges. We're pretty sure it's the console and not so much the games we put in. I'm pretty sure it would cost more than $20 plus a "close enough to infinite" more knowledge than I have to fix what's been collecting dust in a desk drawer.




By DragonMaster0 on 8/8/2008 11:13:00 AM , Rating: 2
Fixing your NES:
Get a DeoxIT and DeoxIT Gold can, follow the instructions, spray some on your carts and NES connector, your NES is working.

Both cans together cost $30 and you will have enough spare liquid to fix TONS of other poor connections.


RE: How long do these consoles last?
By Some1ne on 8/8/2008 8:46:35 PM , Rating: 2
Your old NES uses parts that were made in the 1980's. These new knockoff systems use clones of the old parts, made much more recently, on a much more modern manufacturing process. I don't think the reliability between the two is directly comparable. It seems highly likely that the modern variants will prove to be far more robust than the chips from the 1980's.


By Alexstarfire on 8/10/2008 7:40:38 AM , Rating: 2
That is true, but a lot of it came down to design flaws in the original NES. If you've ever seen or read about the version 2 NES then you'd know it's a lot more reliable that the original version.


1000 times slower than today
By Visual on 8/8/2008 11:25:04 AM , Rating: 2
I honestly doubt a 1.78MHz CPU can be enough for anything useful... hell, that's 5 times slower than even my 286, the first IBM compatible PC I had...
Granted, it is similar to the Apple II clone that started my interest in computers 20 years ago... and back then it did seem good enough to me. But it just can't be enough by today's standards...

Even games were severely limited those systems - anything that required scrolling of a substantial portion of the screen was considered revolutionally and high-tech, redrawing the screen completely each frame was probably impossible.

How would that thing decompress a GIF or JPEG for a web-page? Or how would it display it on a 200 pixel resolution?

And what about storage? NES didn't have any, did it?




RE: 1000 times slower than today
By BZDTemp on 8/8/2008 12:29:51 PM , Rating: 2
I earned my first money in the computer business creating a small database program which let sports clubs keep member lists and print out simple letters for them. That was on a 1 Mhz system with 5 KB ram and a cassette recorder for storage.

Sure functionality is limited with a slow CPU and little memory but if you consider non-graphic webpages, usenet and simple office applications it is all possible.

And as for games. Check out Angband and maybe Empire (if there is a little server somewhere). One is a RPG kindda like Diablo and Empire is like Civilization multiplayer - both of course with "graphics" done using just ascii characters and maybe colours. Anyway both are pretty good fun. Think of games like that as reading a book while the current one are like Hollywood action movies.


By StevoLincolnite on 8/8/2008 4:15:52 PM , Rating: 2
Storage can be done several ways, Flash memory in carts, or by storing them online.

The thing is though is that the primary language used is BASIC - Which is, well... Basic. - Thus there is no software bloat in the middle and is highly optimized for the given platform, and because it can support Carts it is highly expandable from a performance perspective, you can add memory, Co-Processors anything in a cart to improve performance.


RE: 1000 times slower than today
By ajdavis on 8/10/2008 11:22:49 PM , Rating: 2
My smartphone has a 320x240 pixel screen and it displays lots of things just fine.


What the-- ?
By BadAcid on 8/8/2008 11:39:51 AM , Rating: 2
Is it just me, or does it look like the retailer has a handgun boxed next to that keyboard?

"Have fun trying to get it to work, but if all else fails..."




RE: What the-- ?
By nugundam93 on 8/10/2008 9:10:15 PM , Rating: 2
you guys remember "duck hunt" on the NES? that's what that light gun is for. man i recall i had a couple of duck hunt versions, my favorite of which had unlimited bullets set on full automatic fire. LOL!

and yeah, that kind of NES clone/keyboard is pretty old stuff. had one way back in the mid-90's but didn't get to use it much since i was so engrossed with the mechwarrior 2 series on the PC. but hey, that keyboard could run BASIC. :)


Give them a school and books!
By mcmilljb on 8/8/2008 5:02:18 PM , Rating: 2
If you give them books, pencils and paper, they can do plenty of work at home. They don't need a computer that won't have the Internet available. The lack of local, educated teachers and decent schools is holding them back far more than the lack of computers.

The people running these programs don't know anything about educating a underdeveloped country becaused they were taught in a developed country. You can't shove a computer infront of them and expect them to know how to use it yet. Give them a school with educated teachers and *gasp* a computer lab. That would be more cost effectively.




RE: Give them a school and books!
By Penti on 8/9/2008 2:46:57 AM , Rating: 2
The people who are running the OLPCs do have internet (at school at least).

Dude they even complain that it isn't a full feature computer that can watchs videos on youtube and other flash videos and apps that don't work because of the slow hardware and lack of Adobe Flash player. There are no underdeveloped countries in that sense anymore, except like Afghanistan. Developing countries do have access to technology. The second world is the first world now, many of the former third world states are now first world, countries like Afghanistan has newer reached third world status, they are still in the former forth world category.

However this stuff this dude does isn't serious and is totally worthless, if they want to run basic-programs I can send them my old TI-83 Plus calculator. OLPC misses the mark because students (as always, even in the 80's) want full featured computers. It works as a textbook, but it should be much more then a textbook you can surf with. An Atom or some underclocked A64 (I'm sure Chartered can fab it if AMD in Germany doesn't want too) would be much better. It can still run Linux in my book, but it need to be able to run Adobe Flash and videos (meaning proprietary codecs) and a full featured window manager (not matchbox).

The only serious digital textbook program I've seen that's around is the South Korean one, that uses Fujitsu Pentium-M tablet pcs. (and newer i guess)


Inaccurate
By Some1ne on 8/8/2008 3:41:21 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Now a group of MIT students look to add to OLPC's woes by offering up a functional computer at a far lower price -- around $15 to $20 USD.


They're not offering up a "functional computer" for $15 to $20, as their setup does not include the display. You have to hook it up to your home TV, and if you don't have one (which you may well not, if you seriously need to consider buying a $15 laptop/PC), or if you don't want to sacrifice your primary TV as an OLPC monitor, then you have to buy one of those seperately. Getting a halfway decent TV to use with the system can easily push the total cost at least to the $80 to $100 range.

And of course, TV's aren't the most easily portable things in the world, either (especially considering that most of the cheaper/more affordable models still use CRT's), so the system completely fails at being a legitimate competitor to any system that is intended to be used as a "laptop". I would bet that most webpages are completely unusable at 256x256 pixels, as well. Though I guess with that "blank and white LCD screen" on the Victor-70, the pitiful resolution would be the least of your concerns.

These devices are good for novelty value, and I'm glad to see the old-school videogame hardware getting some new life, but that's about it.




I've got an idea!!
By jevans64 on 8/9/2008 1:31:50 AM , Rating: 1
Why don't we just f*** all these third-world countries and worry about all of OUR ( the USA's ) problems FIRST before wasting resources on folks that will just use them against us later? You know MOST of those OLPCs are going to end up serving up scam-spam and phishing spam to our mailboxes.




RE: I've got an idea!!
By Chocobollz on 8/9/2008 2:19:14 AM , Rating: 2
<sarcasm>
Yeah, you f*** them up and then they f*** your mum. Is that what you want?
</sarcasm>

:)


Nick Negroponte called...
By mattclary on 8/8/2008 3:33:09 PM , Rating: 2
he would like his fail back.




By madoka on 8/9/2008 3:37:31 AM , Rating: 2
"blank and white LCD screen"

Well, if it is the same computer that DT writers use, then that explains all the typos in their articles.




DISHONEST HEADLINE
By androticus on 8/10/2008 7:16:28 PM , Rating: 2
Daily Tech might like to consider choosing objective reputable headlines if they want anyone to view it as a news site, not an entertainment or parody site. When people get together to propose to do something, you are obliged to speak in a prospective tense. These students have not developed a $12 computer, they are merely proposing to do so. And if I can say, the notion of ressurecting an ancient computer chip design is a preposterous way to do it, since they'd have to pay for all the design and fabbing cost, rather than just using a production design.




books?
By rodrigu3 on 8/11/2008 7:48:28 AM , Rating: 2
How about we focus on getting them books first and getting these kids literate - then we can focus on computers.




Power
By deeznuts on 8/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: Power
By Carl B on 8/8/2008 6:17:04 PM , Rating: 2
Uh... it's literally as powerful as a NES, so I don't even see the point of your comment - and I get the joke - since the actual Nintendo system it resembles is obviated in the article.

Now, if you want to say that the Wii is no more powerful than the NES, I'm sure you'll agree that's a level of BS even you're not willing to go to in making your point.


RE: Power
By DASQ on 8/11/2008 11:36:07 AM , Rating: 1
I'm sure the Wii sensor bar is faster than this thing.


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