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LulzSec's anti-government efforts continued with the takedown of key Brazilian government sites.  (Source:

Is this "Sabu", LulzSec's ringleader? "LulzSecExposed" claims so. It's been passing information on alleged LulzSec members to the FBI. It suggests that it has a mole inside the group.  (Source: LulzSecExposed)
LulzSec's actions haven't pleased everyone in the hacking community

"Operation AntiSec", Anonymous and LulzSec's war against U.S. and international governments and banking institutions is in full affect [1][2][3.  But the groups are facing increasing pressure from fellow hackers who object to what they're doing.

I. More Attacks

On Tuesday a group calling itself "LulzSecBrazil" wrote:
The greater LulzSec cheered:
Our Brazilian unit is making progress. Well done @LulzSecBrazil, brothers!
The group hinted that it had also penetrated servers of one or more banks and/or government institutions, commenting:
Splendid old chap, yes, yes, quite. In other news, we're loading leak bay #1 with stolen goods. #AntiSec
II. Civil War

As we mentioned in our last post, a group calling themselves "Web Ninjas" has made it its mission to expose LulzSec and see that they are arrested.  To that end it has created a website entitled "LulzSecExposed" which carries leaks from the group.

The first leaks revealed the hacker handles of LulzSec members, including lesser members like "neuron" and "Redacted", and also critical members, such as "Topiary" and "Sabu".

In response, LulzSec lashed back by "doxing" a man they claim to be named Marshal Webb, who they say leaked the logs. "Doxing" is a common type of attack used during inter-hacker warfare that involves one hacker discovering and posting another hacker's real world identity online.

LulzSec wrote [Pastebin] the FBI (who coincidentally they've been recently attacking):
This is Marshal Webb, also known as "[redacted]" in the "#pure-elite" IRC logs you no doubt have enjoyed. He was involved in the hacking of the game "Dues Ex" (sic) and was/is involved in countless other cybercrimes.

Also, he tried to snitch on us. Therefore we just did your job for you with great ease.

This moron is trying to flee the country in order to avoid serious punishment. Hunt him down...
Curiously the "Web Ninjas" also don't seem to be sympathetic towards "Redacted"/Mr. Webb, as they write:
Due to the sensitivity of information, we are directly sending the information to FBI now but still will publish some info on the BLOG

Neuron - Engineering Student, US

Redacted - Engineering Student, US
The Group has also mildly revealed some of the core and peripheral members of LulzSec, writing:
Sabu aka God aka Brazil
Age 34, Leader of the group. Webmaster and Coder

Tflow aka Bottle of Rum aka Tmesis aka Sejus Christ
Possible location - UK, Suspected name - Solomon

Topiary aka T aka WhirlPool
Identified as Daniel Ackerman Sandberg, Old Anon from Sweden. Podcast pro at zelda

Kayla aka LOL aka Parr0t
Kayla was referred as 16 old girl in HBGary hack. Great social engineering skills and troll master. A guy from Canada.

Joepie91 aka Joepie92
Dutch guy, old anon member - owns But active member of Lulzsec.

Possible Location - Spain

Confirmed Location - Florida, US

Pwnsauce aka Pwnage
Confirmed Location - Ireland

Confirmed Location - US

Redacted aka Recursion
Confirmed Location - US
The group also posted a picture Sabu and claims to have "his Name, Address, location and work".

III. First Arrest Rolls in

Yesterday an individual was arrested in the UK, reportedly in connection with the LulzSec attacks.  The group downplayed the event and was quick to deny that the arrested party was a member.  It writes:
Ryan Cleary is not part of LulzSec; we house one of our many legitimate chatrooms on his IRC server, but that's it.

We use Ryan's server, we also use Efnet, 2600, Rizon and AnonOps IRC servers. That doesn't mean they're all part of our group.

Clearly the UK police are so desperate to catch us that they've gone and arrested someone who is, at best, mildly associated with us. Lame.
Still the arrest could impact the group's efforts at secrecy.  Writes "LulzSecExposed":
As media groups think that Ryan is a leader of LulzSec, Sorry guys its not him. Its our Sabu. Ryan was just an IRC operator for them. Well bad news for LulzSec, count your days as we count your heads, How about this for LULZ?
Anyways as Ryan is arrested, your IRC logs are with FBI, SOCA and Interpol. Now we understood why did you DDOS SOCA yesterday. And when Sabu will be arrested no one will be there to DDOS any :p

Sabu, we know you are safe until FBI and their friends reaches your home, you know it takes time to FLY :)
Most recently the site has "doxed" a reportedly skilled and active member of Anonymous "Power2All".

But its highest priority target -- Sabu remains at large.

IV. Hacker Warfare

Ultimately the government hasn't shown great abilities to catch hackers at certain times in the past.  Usually skilled hackers were caught when they personally contact the attacked parties or when one of their colleagues turn on them.  For LulzSec the latter danger seems particularly prevalent.

In fact "LulzSecExposed" comments, "We might be one among you, check your backs LOL."

Aside from that site, the group has also angered a number of hackers weak and strong including th3j35t3r ("The Jester"), fakegregghoush, DustLavaRockSan, b14ck4dd3r, FailSec, awinee, backtracesec, and TeaMp0iSoN (according to "LulzSecExposed").

Eventually LulzSec may sufficiently infuriate enough skilled hackers or one of its own members may turn on his fellow cohorts.  If and when that happens, core members of the group may find themselves in much the same situation as famous arrested hackers of years past.

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false sense of security...
By superPC on 6/22/2011 9:43:15 AM , Rating: 1
with all this hack resulting in lost of user data and difficulty in reaching particular sites how can anyone feel safe? i for one plan on closing my online banking (that includes paypall) and change my credit card (and not use the new one for on line transaction at least until things quiet down).

and this hacker war have innocent casualties just like any other wars. but unlike any other wars this one is global and anyone can be a casualties.

not to mention if government start increasing their online presence. who knows what kind of information they gather?

i know this seems paranoid but hell i'm really afraid right now.

RE: false sense of security...
By jmyers on 6/22/2011 9:55:47 AM , Rating: 5
Not using it online doesn't necessarily help you - your information is stored in a DB somewhere... which means you are vulnerable.

RE: false sense of security...
By maven81 on 6/22/2011 10:08:19 AM , Rating: 2
And not just one either. For example, go here and enter your name. Not all of the information there is correct but it correctly identified my address. And these bastards are just pulling that info from public records.

RE: false sense of security...
By superPC on 6/22/2011 10:13:49 AM , Rating: 2
wait isn't data base server air gap with only periodic uplink and downlink to update data? oh man now i'm thinking about closing all my bank account and store my money the old fashion way: in gold inside a safety deposit box.

RE: false sense of security...
By Alexvrb on 6/22/2011 7:26:56 PM , Rating: 2
You know, I've been doing a similar thing already, only I'm investing in lead. I think it retains its value better, and plus it comes in handy now and then. More fun than gold, too.

RE: false sense of security...
By The Raven on 6/22/2011 10:18:43 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah it is definitely looking into before you pull the plug. Online tools can also help to protect you, like withdrawl notifications via text or email and that sort of thing.

RE: false sense of security...
By GruntboyX on 6/22/2011 6:18:41 PM , Rating: 2
If you own a home, or have any sort of Credit Cards. There is information to mine about you. I looked myself up and it has my home, estimated salary and ect..

Kinda makes me feel silly for not participating in facebook. Everything else is out there about me. I might as well control the conversation.

Besides, that is what Identity theft insurance is for.

By inperfectdarkness on 6/22/2011 9:28:23 PM , Rating: 2
living off the grid means that the terroris....err, hackers win.

conduct yourself responsibily, take appropriate security measures (password changes, etc), and overall, do the best you can.

it's simple. if a thief wants to get into your home; he can. you can't stop him. he can bring a chainsaw, bulletproof armor, etc. if someone is BOUND AND DETERMINED to gain access, he/she will. the trick is to make yourself a less attractive target.

if you live on a street where your house is the only one with bars on the widows, 3 deadbolts on every door, guard-dogs, cctv, and a monitored security system--your house poses the least attractive target.

the same holds true online. unless you want to live like a hermit, you have to accept the rigors of being online--and good security comes with the territory.

RE: false sense of security...
By drycrust3 on 6/22/2011 5:02:58 PM , Rating: 2
Well, if you feel like that, then maybe you should consider ditching Windows in favour of a more secure OS, e.g. one of the Linux distributions. I get nervous everytime I have to login to something on a Windows machine, especially if I have to use IE.
In some ways, your ability to maintain employment and the stability and strength of your national currency are far more important than a spat between hackers.

RE: false sense of security...
By Alexvrb on 6/22/2011 7:23:49 PM , Rating: 5
WOW! I didn't know using Linux on my home PC would protect the databases of banks, government entities, and gaming companies worldwide!

FUTURAMA Thursday, June 23 10/9c
By Mitch101 on 6/22/2011 9:52:20 AM , Rating: 5

RE: FUTURAMA Thursday, June 23 10/9c
By The Raven on 6/22/2011 10:08:34 AM , Rating: 5

Not a problem, because I would need a hacker to hook me up with ill-gotten cable TV. I'm not paying for that crap. But I will rewatch all my old Futurama DVDs until I can buy the new ones. Whoo! (No that wasn't a cheer...that was just the air escaping the folds of my fat!)

RE: FUTURAMA Thursday, June 23 10/9c
By Mitch101 on 6/22/2011 10:21:16 AM , Rating: 2
LOL I got rated down quickly. Looks like we have some Futurama haters.

Now I understand why bender hates humans. Meatbags. :)

Just not a good way to get the word out its back.

RE: FUTURAMA Thursday, June 23 10/9c
By sigmatau on 6/22/2011 1:16:03 PM , Rating: 2
Shut up Zoidberg!

RE: FUTURAMA Thursday, June 23 10/9c
By Mitch101 on 6/22/2011 5:00:43 PM , Rating: 2
Man that's like the ultimate insult. :(

Just hope Im never your doctor.

By The Raven on 6/23/2011 4:21:20 PM , Rating: 2
Just do the apology dance and let it go.

Anarchists leader
By danobrega on 6/22/2011 10:17:23 AM , Rating: 5
Is it just me or it's funny that a group of anarchists have a leader.

RE: Anarchists leader
By TSS on 6/22/2011 11:35:41 AM , Rating: 2
It makes perfect sense. In a world of anarchy you can do anything, so i declade myself leader. Somebody else protests, i kill them without reprocussion. Now everybody who doesn't want to die falls under my command and i can force them to get the rest to fall in line.

Anarchy always leads to dictatorship. Wether it's on the internet or real life doesn't really matter.

Though if they don't have a leader and are truely equal to eachother within their own group, their more like communists then anarchists. Equal to eachother, better then the rest.

If they really where anarchists they wouldn't be a group to begin with.

RE: Anarchists leader
By SPOOFE on 6/22/2011 5:39:21 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, it's not that simple. Outside a social structure, people will gravitate towards the most charismatic or the "wealthiest" (whoever's got the most of "insert desirable item here") or whomever can convincingly project power. If you're just some schlub declaring yourself in charge, and if you lack the Alpha traits that groups of people tend to keep out an eye for, it's just a matter of time before someone with better Politicking Powers ousts ya.

It's not guaranteed that "anarchy" leads to a dictatorship; in fact, there's reason to believe that anarchistic situations can be very fair and just, depending on the particulars.

RE: Anarchists leader
By inperfectdarkness on 6/22/2011 9:36:01 PM , Rating: 2
you clealy need to study human behavior more.

anarchy is naturally devoid of a controlling body/individual. that kind of power vacuum cannot self-sustain in the face of human-nature to usurp power and the desire to control others.

it may manifest in a variety of guises. "protection for the group", "preservation of group dynamic", etc. it's still a power-bid. no system can self-regulate without some level of power being delegated to a regulatory body. disputes WILL arise between individuals. eventually, one of these will demonstrate its inability to be resolved only between involved parties. when this happens, someone or something will have to step in to arbitrate.

you cannot arbitrate without power. anarchy leads to power convergence. ultimately this will lead to some kind of fascism, dictatorship, totalitarianism, or other authoritarian regime.

anarchy > power corruption. every single time.


surprise surprise...
By maven81 on 6/22/2011 9:30:09 AM , Rating: 2
So now there seems to be some evidence that these hackers are all over the world. Can we stop with the US kids in their parents basement meme now?

RE: surprise surprise...
By nafhan on 6/22/2011 9:50:23 AM , Rating: 5
Seriously, people all over the world have had both parents and basements for YEARS.

By michal1980 on 6/22/2011 9:33:14 AM , Rating: 2
internet though guys always in hiding.

RE: hackers
By geddarkstorm on 6/22/2011 1:55:00 PM , Rating: 2
This information being leaked could all be false, to lead the FBI and other authorities astray on purpose. We'll have to see. If it's real though, it shouldn't be too long now before the hammer is brought down.

By The Raven on 6/22/2011 10:15:38 AM , Rating: 2
"[redacted]" = The Plague?
Sabu = Zero Cool?

Who = Acid Burn??? That is the important question!

By maven81 on 6/22/2011 10:22:40 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, and where is that rooftop pool that she could take me to? :)

By R3T4rd on 6/22/2011 11:29:57 AM , Rating: 2
I Lulz so hard...I peed my pants.

By KrayLoN on 6/22/2011 2:42:48 PM , Rating: 2
It's one thing to hack, its another to declare "war" on of all places the U.S. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You guys basically went from being labled "hacktivits" or "hackers" to "Terrorits?" Last time i checked Terrorists don't get trials. They just get taken out... quietly or not so quietly. Is common sense not common anymore? Look everyone has the right to defend their beliefs and protest, but declaring war and compromising the security of innocent people is not the way to do it. There has got to be more productive ways to use all that talent to accomplish the goal without burning down the building. Well its all a mute point now cause what is done is done. When (not if) these guys get caught, I hope for their sake they do get a trial. Unfortunately, I have this ill feeling that their Lulship is going to be floating with Bin Laden.

Sting opp.
By Uncle on 6/22/11, Rating: 0
"I mean, if you wanna break down someone's door, why don't you start with AT&T, for God sakes? They make your amazing phone unusable as a phone!" -- Jon Stewart on Apple and the iPhone

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