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George Lucas's latest changes to the Star Wars series may have fans crying that the Blu-Ray release is a trap.

The Yoda puppet is being replaced in all scenes, including the original series, with a CGI version. And Darth Vader now screams "NOOO!!!" when Emperor Palapatine is shocking Luke.  (Source: YouTube)

A recent South Park episode accused George Lucas of "raping" Indiana Jones and other classics.  (Source: South Park Studios/Comedy Central)

In 1988 George Lucas gave an impassioned speech that changing works for profit was barbarism. Today he says he only wants to keep 25 to 30 percent of the original theatrical content in the original Star Wars films.  (Source: The AV Club)
Yoda puppet replaced with CGI, Vader screams "Noo" in final scene, and more

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society.

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.

Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.

-- George Lucas's 1988 speech to the U.S. Congress 
The year was 1988.  Only five years had passed since the release of Star Wars Episode IV: The Return of the Jedi, and the film's iconic director George Lucas was crafting another major hit -- Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.  In an impassioned speech Mr. Lucas urged Congress to commit to the Berne Convention for the issue of Moral Rights -- a European law that would force musicians and filmmakers to preserve works deemed classics, for the public's benefit.  Congress eventually did sign the Berne Treaty into law, but fortuitously it exempted the motion picture industry, complaining movie making was "too complex" for the provisions.

Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Attachment leads to jealously. The shadow of greed, that is.

--Yoda Stars Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith

Fast-forward two decades and Mr. Lucas has fallen to the dark side -- transforming from preservationist to revisionist.  Since 1994 he hasn't published a single original movie, instead opting to create controversial sequels or prequels to his fans' favorite franchises.  The recent Indiana Jones sequel was so divisive South Park parodied [video] that Mr. Lucas and co-director Steven Spielberg were "raping" Indiana Jones.   

But as disturbing as those reimaginings are to some, a far worse fate has befallen the originals.

As video has evolved from VHS tapes to DVDs, Mr. Lucas has made a series of alterations (e.g. the famous "Greedo shoots first" change) that have outraged many fans.  But Mr. Lucas has saved his biggest revisions for the upcoming Blu-Ray nine-disc set, which will be released on Sept. 16.

Unlike the 2006 DVD release, original theatrical versions of the Star Wars series are not included.  There will be no theatrical cuts restored to beautiful Blu-Ray, says Mr. Lucas.  Instead fans get treated to a slew of new edits.

Among the biggest ones, reportedly:
  • The Yoda puppet is replaced in all scenes (including on Dagobah and Yoda's spirit on Endor) with the CGI Yoda scene in the latter two films of the prequel trilogy at least one of the prequel films, with some sources saying the replacement will be applied to the original trilogy as well (unconfirmed). [video]
  • Darth Vader is no longer silent when Emperor Palpatine is electrocuting Luke with force lightning. He gives what at first sounds like a quizzical "Noooo?" and then follows with a louder "NOOOOOO!!!" à la his response when he found out Padmé died in Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (confirmed). [video]
  • Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon howl, which scares off the sand people on Tatooine has been altered, which according to The Superficial "sounds like a pedophile getting his dick caught in a screen door" (unconfirmed). [video]
  • The Han Solo and Greedo shootout has been sped up (Greedo still shoots first, as with the previous edit) (unconfirmed). [video]
  • Wicket the Ewok's eyes are now CGI animated and blink with big "lucious" eyelashes (unconfirmed).
  • Han Solo now emits brilliant CGI lighting effects when he is unfrozen from his carbonite nap (unconfirmed).
  • Jabba the Hutt's palace has a fancy new rendered door (unconfirmed). [video]
  • Extra CGI TIE-Fighters and TIE-Interceptors appear out of nowhere (due to shoddy CGI) in the Death Star II battle (unconfirmed). [video]
  • Lightsaber colors have been fixed to correspond with the original theatrical versions (about the only change that reverts previous ones) (unconfirmed). [video]

    (All of these rumors have been widely reported in multiple sources, including the Associated Press, for a number of the unconfirmed rumors.)
The films also include four documentaries -- A Conversation with the Masters: The Empire Strikes Back 30 Years Later (2010), Star Wars Spoofs (2011) and The Making of Star Wars (1977) -- commentary by Mr. Lucas; concept art footage; costume design footage; deleted, extended, or alternate scenes; and archived interviews with the cast and film crew.

The new Blu-Ray edition has an MSRP of $140 USD and is on pre-order for $90 USD on Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN).  The box set is already off to a torrid start with an average 2/5 star rating on 656 reviews, at last count.

But Mr. Lucas still has yet another opportunity to reduce Star Wars' Amazon.com rating to 1/5 stars.  Rather than work on restoring the original theatrical footage to Blu-Ray, he's devoted his efforts to converting the series to 3-D.  Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace will be the first to sport the new format, with 3-D Gungans invading screens in 2012.  And Mr. Lucas is rumored to be planning more changes in the next versions.

After all, he told MSNBC in 2004, "Well, the [original theatrical releases] only came out to be 25 or 30 percent of what I wanted it to be."

Sounds like he has a few changes left to go, if he's going to cut the original content down to "25 or 30 percent".

Fans can only wait in dread for what changes might be next.  After all, if there's one thing more scary than the Sith for the Star Wars fan, its George Lucas and his increasing lust for revisions and lucrative re-releases.


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Lost his mind
By Reclaimer77 on 9/3/2011 3:47:11 PM , Rating: 5
The man has lost his mind, that's the only explanation. Probably early Alzheimers or some other form of dementia. I don't believe it's possible for someone of sound body and mind to be THIS far disconnected from reality. The prequels were 100% of "what you wanted", and they were a categorical disaster compared to the original trilogy. One of the greatest, if not the greatest, sci-fi epics of all time was only "30 percent" of what you wanted? Then maybe what you want isn't as good, George.

A "special effect is a tool, a means of telling a story. A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing."


George Lucas (before he lost his mind)




RE: Lost his mind
By idiot77 on 9/3/2011 5:02:21 PM , Rating: 5
Well doctor, your diagnosis is inaccurate at best.

He has OCD, he's always had OCD, and he will never stop messing with his films. It is why their initial quality was good, and now he keeps messing with them and causing them to be over shot, and worse as time goes on. Expect this behavior until he's dead. He doesn't know how to move on.


RE: Lost his mind
By Reclaimer77 on 9/3/2011 5:05:57 PM , Rating: 3
Meah, OCD is just another form of crazy. He's nuttier than a fruitcake.

quote:
Expect this behavior until he's dead.


Let's hope that's soon.


RE: Lost his mind
By Mitch101 on 9/3/2011 7:04:15 PM , Rating: 2
I prefer Han shoots first hes supposed to be dark but I wonder how people seeing it for the first time feel or is it only us who saw the originals that actually care about the changes made?

You have to say that the light sabre fights of the prequels are much more intense than the ones we see in the original trilogy.

But I guess its like watching snakes on a plane on cable you know its just wrong.


RE: Lost his mind
By Reclaimer77 on 9/3/2011 7:25:00 PM , Rating: 3
I like the original lightsaber fights better. Especially in Jedi because they are so charged with emotion and meaning. There aren't a bunch of pretty moves that waste energy. Luke becomes so enraged when he finally gives into his emotions that he basically just starts hacking away at Vader and you can really feel his fury and rage. The prequels were just so damn over-choreographed imo. Why would you waste so much energy with saber twirls and behind the back moves and stuff?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRY5dl_oxvo


RE: Lost his mind
By Reclaimer77 on 9/3/2011 7:32:48 PM , Rating: 3
And ok I confess the genius Williams score has much to do with that opinion. It's just so rousing during that battle, especially when Luke shouts "NOoooooo!" and starts physically dominating Vader with no concerned for the niceties of dueling or proper form. You cannot helped but be moved.


RE: Lost his mind
By Reflex on 9/4/2011 2:59:55 PM , Rating: 2
I had this complaint as well. After seeing the prequels my first reaction to the fights was that Lucas re-imagined them from Jedi Knights to Jedi Ninjas. The fighting style was so completely different and flashy as opposed to functional.


RE: Lost his mind
By Reclaimer77 on 9/4/2011 7:42:58 PM , Rating: 1
The prequels ruined the Jedi in all ways. We learn that Jedi aren't special enlightened people, they are chosen by simple random biology via blood "meda-chlorids". All main Jedi in the prequels were also equally adept at Force powers and also master swordsman. They were basically all supermen who were only vulnerable when the plot needed them to be. In other words, none of them were special if ALL of them are.

This made the "epic" fight scenes actually boring with far less meaning than the original. 10 minutes of highly choreographed fighting demonstrating that each opponent was a super space ninja doesn't tell a story and just feels like action for the sake of action.

In the original we got the feeling that Jedi was more important than fighting or Force powers. They they didn't need a Lightsaber to solve EVERY problem.


RE: Lost his mind
By adiposity on 9/7/2011 1:19:05 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, also...

The prequels tried to turn Jedi into a mix of biological freaks and religious zealots. They were basically combination celibate monks and samurai.

The original films allowed the characters to be complex and interesting. The prequels basically had them all following a strict monastic order, and the only one with any complexity was Anakin, who was only different in his arrogance, childishness, and inability to remain celibate.

While Anakin was extremely unlikeable in those films, the whole order was boring and unsympathetic. I came out of each of those films hating Jedi more than the last.

In many ways, the mere existence of those films retroactively ruins the originals.


RE: Lost his mind
By Some1ne on 9/4/2011 7:36:33 AM , Rating: 3
It only makes sense if Han shoots first. Or are we supposed to believe that Greedo shot first and missed from point-blank range?

Although considering the overall accuracy of storm-trooper fire, maybe it's just the case the Star Wars blasters are wildly inaccurate at any range.


RE: Lost his mind
By Steve1981 on 9/4/2011 8:17:01 AM , Rating: 2
Aside from the fact that it builds upon Han's character and that it would make sense for him to shoot first, watching that scene now looks really, really stupid inasmuch as it screams "UUUWHHOOOOOOOOOOOO, I'VE BEEN EDITED........REALLY REALLY BADLY". It's not like the scene got refilmed, where you wouldn't notice the change unless you knew what existed in the first place.


RE: Lost his mind
By Reclaimer77 on 9/4/2011 11:52:28 AM , Rating: 2
Yup and it doesn't even make sense the new way. He's clearly wanting to take Han back alive for the bounty. He has Han dead to rights and starts launching into his monologue, why would he suddenly try a point blank kill shot, and of all things miss?

I wish someone somewhere could explain to me why this was changed! Han isn't some cold blooded serial killer. But he's not about to be taken back to Jabba by a bounty hunter. If fits perfectly with the atmosphere of the place. Hell they barely even noticed or cared that Han shot a bounty hunter, the music only stops for a few seconds while people look, then everyone goes back to their drinks. It's self defense! I guess you might as well edit that and have someone freak out and yell "OH MY GOD, Han shot second and killed someone, call the space police!!!" while you're at it. Friggin Lucas!


RE: Lost his mind
By adiposity on 9/7/2011 1:23:04 PM , Rating: 2
I can only imagine Lucas going to bed at night, wondering whether any of his heroes had a single flaw that might indicate they weren't perfect...and dwelling incessantly on the fact that Han killed someone who didn't absolutely have to die.


RE: Lost his mind
By kyleb2112 on 9/5/2011 6:00:52 AM , Rating: 2
I remember Han Solo blowing that guy away (shooting first) had a huge impact on me at the young age I saw it in the theaters. It contradicted all my social programming up to that point, and introduced me to the concept of an antihero. I think YOUNG George Lucas GOT THAT.


RE: Lost his mind
By FastEddieLB on 9/3/2011 7:44:38 PM , Rating: 2
There's a certain personality type that has this as their default setting: They have a never-ending quest to "perfect" their work, even though it will never be perfect. I have a friend who has obnoxiously re-written a story he, myself and another friend of ours spent years on, to the point where I had to yell at him to stop. He never stopped trying though...


RE: Lost his mind
By inperfectdarkness on 9/5/2011 10:13:12 PM , Rating: 2
so what you're REALLY trying to say is that george lucas is the brett favre of film-making?


RE: Lost his mind
By jeff834 on 9/6/2011 8:14:56 AM , Rating: 2
I prefer to think he just has nothing better to do. He can't come up with any new ideas, he has nothing to work on personally so he does nothing but come up with "fixes" for non-broken films.


RE: Lost his mind
By Ausdrake on 9/3/2011 6:46:11 PM , Rating: 2
If you watch alot of the behind the scenes stuff, you soon realise that most of the people that worked on the original trilogy made the films in SPITE of George. The man didn't even direct most of them, Beardy was responsible for the setting and that's about it, his "vision" when it comes to filmmaking is subpar at best. The responsibility for the quality of the first three rest solely on those who helped him make it (such as the directors, whose names currently escape me).

He deserves credit for crafting an amazing universe, but he receives far too much undeserved credit for the quality of the films.


RE: Lost his mind
By Mitch101 on 9/3/2011 7:09:35 PM , Rating: 4
Not all the changes are bad look at what they did with C360 and R2D2 here
http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/...

Now those are the droids Im looking for.


RE: Lost his mind
By DNAgent on 9/6/2011 2:31:13 PM , Rating: 3
Human-cyborg relations, here I come!


My response
By FITCamaro on 9/4/2011 1:00:12 PM , Rating: 2
I responded by going out and purchasing the 2008 Star Wars trilogy release that had the ORIGINAL films on "bonus" discs.

I am also with those who hope that Lucas' demise comes sooner than later so that hopefully someone down the road will give us the remastered ORIGINAL trilogy in a high definition format we all want. I'm even fine with leaving some of the cleanups they did in the special editions (fixing of black lines in the Battle of Hoth scenes, the cleanups in Mos Eisley, the better explosions of the Death Stars). Just leave the story the way it was for Christ's sake. Hell I didn't even mind the added Jabba scene in the first film because I thought it was well done.




RE: My response
By robinthakur on 9/5/2011 10:46:09 AM , Rating: 2
Both the Han shoots first and the Jobba scene were absolutely shambolic because it looks incredibly fake and jerky where they moved his head to dodge the laser blast or his whole body to tread over Jabba's tail. That and the fact that the Jabba CGI looks nothing like the puppet from ROTJ. IMO it's only a matter of time before the ROTJ puppet is replaced with the CGI one for continuity's sake along with Salacious Crumb, and that will be a sad day.


RE: My response
By deathwombat on 9/9/2011 2:42:35 PM , Rating: 3
The added Jabba scene makes no sense at all. Jabba has put a bounty on Han's head, Han kills one of his bounty hunters, and then Jabba lets him go after Han offers him more money???

Even I know that once the mob has decided to kill you, it's too late to negotiate with them! You can't even stop your bank from foreclosing on your house once they've signed off on it, let alone a murderous crime syndicate, and that's before you've killed one of their employees!

As for Greedo shooting first, it shows that George Lucas fundamentally misunderstands his own character and the moral of his own story. Star Wars is as much about Han Solo's transformation from a scoundrel into a hero as it is about Luke's transformation from a farm boy into a Jedi.


Hmm
By Ranari on 9/3/2011 4:29:06 PM , Rating: 1
It's a no-win situation for Lucas, really. If he hadn't made any changes to Star Wars, then why on Earth would anyone shell out $140.00 for his original work? Because it's in HD?

I welcome the change. If I want to see Star Wars in its original format, I'm sure I can find a DVD or VHS somewhere that has it.




RE: Hmm
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 9/3/2011 11:57:57 PM , Rating: 3
Well the DVD's got released with both the special edition and original theatrical releases in the box. I don't doubt the Blu-Ray will do something similar, include both versions and let people watch the one they wish.

P.S. HAN SHOT FIRST!!!


RE: Hmm
By haplo602 on 9/5/2011 1:32:34 AM , Rating: 2
ME ME ME !!!!!

I wanted to buy the 2006 DVD set, but when I learned about the editions there, I did not. Ultimately I will find it again just for the original footage included in the box.

I would by the BD release just for the HD. Non changes needed. These 3 movies are so famous you possible can't get more. I mean there are maybe 3-4 other films that are higher up the rank.


By BoboGO on 9/4/2011 2:09:06 AM , Rating: 2
The fanedited version Star Wars Revisited by Adywan. Lucas should hire him. If you haven't seen that version yet.... you haven't seen Star Wars! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlYpNo2vRmw&feature...

He's currently wrapping up work on The Empire Strikes Back Revisited.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D0p1bHtIFg

Check them out!!!

I won't even comment on Indiana Jones... but he DID get a$$ raped on a pinball machine!!!!!

:P




By BoboGO on 9/4/2011 3:34:29 AM , Rating: 2
And oh yeah... I found this exclusive new ROTJ ending that was leaked from the 2011 Blu-Ray release.... Talk about Lucas messing things up!! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0EqJjUPbLs&feature...


Not sure I care
By Hlafordlaes on 9/4/11, Rating: 0
RE: Not sure I care
By cmdrdredd on 9/4/2011 9:35:32 AM , Rating: 2
Indiana Jones falls flat in what way? It's still enjoyed by a great many people, myself included. It's a tale about a professor who makes a little cash using his knowledge of history by finding rare artifacts long thought lost forever. Along the way he bumps into rival treasure hunters working for the Nazis before WWII ramped up in Europe. There's a lot of history in the movies. Some based on real facts and some is simply made up for the story.

Star Wars won't die. You ever read the books? The story goes way beyond the movies. The movies are but a glimpse of the Star Wars universe.


RE: Not sure I care
By yxalitis on 9/4/2011 7:34:35 PM , Rating: 2
Obvious troll is obvious


Nooooooooo
By drxploder on 9/3/2011 3:22:15 PM , Rating: 2
I typically don't care, but replacing puppet Yoda in Empire is just absurd. Puppet Yoda was that film's greatest achievement.




RE: Nooooooooo
By carlsagan1977 on 9/3/2011 5:14:36 PM , Rating: 1
They didn't replace the puppet Yoda in Empire OR Jedi. Just The Phantom Menace, and that was only done because Lucas decided that Yoda's appearance should be consistent throughout the prequels. This does not in any way impact the original trilogy. People are reacting to this thing in a ridiculous fashion, since it is all based on a rumored "leak" that's been thrown about on a few message boards.


Just Don't Buy It
By ULTIMA64 on 9/3/2011 11:01:52 PM , Rating: 3
The original trilogy is almost always considered to be way superior to the prequels in spite of the fact that the prequels were much more technologically advanced. Personally I don't care if he messes with episode one's yoda because honestly episode one wasn't that great. Episodes 4-6 however were pretty much the only reasons star wars was a success. They had so much more meaning. It was important that Han Solo shot Greedo first because it showed that Han Solo cared about himself way before anyone else. As others have pointed out it was also an important point that the empire didn't bother to send out very many pilots in episode IV because they were over confident. The story begins to lose meaning when lucas changes these things. Star Wars captivated almost everyone when they first saw it, but this doesn't mean that Star Wars is dead it just means that if you don't want to see these changes don't buy it on blu ray.




Whoaa
By Breathless on 9/3/2011 3:57:56 PM , Rating: 2
I think that is the largest goiter I have ever seen




I think I posted this before
By bug77 on 9/3/2011 4:31:22 PM , Rating: 2
Be thankful as long as they don't turn the fighters into hybrid/electrical vehicles and they don't make Luke gay. Just to keep up with the times.




By smitty3268 on 9/3/2011 4:58:41 PM , Rating: 2
But why not at least offer people the opportunity to view the originals as well?

That would be a great extra to throw in to the bundle, or he could even sell it completely separately.

Instead he seems determined to kill off the original versions entirely.




Boonowa tweepi, Ha, Ha!
By DNAgent on 9/3/2011 7:04:07 PM , Rating: 2
Translation: "Have you now, Ha Ha!"

Anyone notice how much Lucas looks like Jabba in the bottom pic? That neck roll is truly impressive!

Quick, someone Photoshop a Salacious Crumb on to his shoulder!




WEll I Guess...
By Pitbull0669 on 9/3/2011 10:58:46 PM , Rating: 2
I will just have to SLAP THE TURKEY KNECK RIGHT OFF HIS FAT ASS!!!..lol.




By Alchemy69 on 9/3/2011 11:15:47 PM , Rating: 2
So the entire basis of this article is a bunch of internet rumours?

Ohh-kaay.




By riottime on 9/4/2011 1:08:55 AM , Rating: 2
he'll probably change episodes ii and iii to insert 'ahsoka' from the 2008 cgi tv series to make it tie more into the movie versions. ;)

instead of messin' with old movies, why not make episodes vii, viii, and ix? i want to see the skywalker and solo kids grow up to become jedi masters. :)




why?
By cokbun on 9/4/2011 9:07:54 AM , Rating: 2
just let it die already, its been 30 years.




Lucas and CGI
By Pronto on 9/4/2011 9:23:59 AM , Rating: 2
How about Lucas doing doing something about that double chin that he tries to 'hide' with his beard. He needs some CGI on himself.




The solution is simple
By ironwill99 on 9/4/2011 1:15:58 PM , Rating: 2
Stop buying these re-releases so Lucas will go broke and not be able to create more revisionist crap.




Glad I bought the DVDs
By LordConrad on 9/4/2011 1:58:57 PM , Rating: 2
I knew this crap would continue, which is why I bought the 2006 DVD set. We won't see the originals again until George Lucas dies, at which point Fox will probably re-release the originals so they can pull in even more money.




No to ROTJ Noo!
By Lorfa on 9/5/2011 1:20:02 AM , Rating: 2
Disaster on that one. Extremely cheesy and unnecessary.

I was blown away when I was a kid seeing this for the first time. Vader doesn't need to say anything, his action is huge. It was already telegraphed just by the way he was watching luke get lightning'd. Now Lucas telegraphs it further with this? He really has lost his mind :-(




Snore Wars
By ProZach on 9/5/2011 1:42:30 PM , Rating: 2
More modifications != better. The 2006 theatrical releases on bonus DVD are great- no burned-in subtitles and voice overdubs. Would have liked to see them high-def without millions of dollars of CGI junk. Why not add a CGI Fonz to American Graffiti while you're at it, George? j/k :P

/ot thumbs-up for Blade Runner Final Cut too :)




They can enhance SW
By marraco on 9/6/2011 7:26:20 PM , Rating: 2
I would be happy if they digitally erases Jar Jar Binks and all the Ewoks.




Changes that are needed
By Dug on 9/9/2011 2:52:26 PM , Rating: 2
Change all the Ewoks to Wookies.
Remove Jar Jar Binks.

Let some more Jedi's live. They spend their lives living through unbelievable odds, yet they all die from some stormtroopers?

Han shot first!




A couple missing
By overlandpark4me on 9/9/2011 11:04:14 PM , Rating: 2
You forgot:
1- Carrie Fisher nude scene with Jabba.
2- Han and Luke have an awkward moment during the newly added shower scene.




Response
By jouno on 9/4/2011 1:27:25 PM , Rating: 1
I have no idea why people are so outraged at this. It's not like he's going back in time and removing the originals from history. If you don't want to watch the new bluray editions, grab a VHS and watch the originals in their un-altered glory. If you enjoy the creator of Star Wars continuing to revise and create additional content, pop in the bluray!




WRONG!
By carlsagan1977 on 9/3/11, Rating: 0
George Lucas
By mwaldstein on 9/4/11, Rating: 0
Who cares?
By jkostans on 9/3/11, Rating: -1
RE: Who cares?
By mackx on 9/3/2011 4:50:43 PM , Rating: 2
yep. watched the prequels in the cinema at time of release and that's it. don't own any of the dvds and haven't watched them since.

i do find the topic curious though.

question - does this re-release include the 3D makeover as well? if not, imagine what will be done for them!


RE: Who cares?
By Mitch101 on 9/3/2011 7:20:46 PM , Rating: 3
Don't be surprised if he updates the light sabre scenes. A while back he was trying to purchase the actors digital appearance so he could make more movies even when the actor is dead and gone.

Lucas isnt the only guilty one Spielberg modified ET and replaced the guns with walkie talkies.


Ehh,
By Trisped on 9/3/11, Rating: -1
RE: Ehh,
By Reclaimer77 on 9/3/2011 4:03:35 PM , Rating: 5
I think you don't know very much about movies. The Death Star scene wasn't about a bunch of nameless people blowing each other up. A lot was going on. Luke was coming of age and starting to really believe in the Force. Han had a tough decision to make and we discover he's more than just a selfish swindler. And Vader is starting to sense there's more to Luke than he believed. The ultimate symbol of Imperial power is brought down by a few desperate pilots and one rising star, Luke, with the help of his friends. It's not about throwing a bunch of freaking CGI crap on the same frame and emulating a Michael Bay movie!

Yoda puppet looked fake? Umm since there's no such thing as a real life green alien, I'm not sure how you can say that. The puppet was real, the actors had something real to play against and interact with. Lighting and shadows on the puppet were seamless in a way CGI can never be because it's an actual 3D object. The CGI Yoda? I don't know anyone who thought it looked more "real" than the original. CGI isn't good enough yet, CGI Yoda looks like a fake cartoon rendition. And you can obviously tell it's not actually in the frame with the other actors and props during filming. Fake is fake.


RE: Ehh,
By Reclaimer77 on 9/3/2011 4:11:48 PM , Rating: 3
Edit:

The fact that they didn't launch their TIE reserves was another clever bit of storytelling. Through that we see the smugness and overconfidence of the Empire. They never believed, even up to the end, that the Rebellion had a chance against something so powerful only using fighters without a fleet of capital ships to support the attack.


RE: Ehh,
By FITCamaro on 9/4/2011 1:11:36 PM , Rating: 4
Exactly. I mean that was part of the dialog for Christ's sake. Overconfidence. Then when they realized what the Rebellion was aiming for and realized the danger, they were overconfident to the end.

Great storytelling does not need flashy visuals. I still think the space battles of the originals look far better than anything in the more recent movies. Because they used models and it wasn't all about flashy CGI. They had to work to get it right so there was more attention to detail paid.

And someone said the Yoda puppet looked close to death. YODA WAS CLOSE TO DEATH! The puppet looked exactly as it should.

Now as far as the prequels went, I was fine with them for the most part. Yes the first movie was a bit slow and Jar Jar was a creature from hell designed to ruin the movie. But 2 and 3 I liked.

I would love to get a job at Lucasfilm for one day so I could punch Lucas in the face and scream "WTF are you doing? These films were great! You're ruining them!" at him before I was arrested.

Star Wars was the first movies I ever saw. And I love them with a passion. Changing that final scene in RotJ is just unforgivable. It totally changes the whole scene. We don't need him screaming "NOOO!!" like a little girl to get that he's thinking it. They also removed Luke saying "Father....please....".

I have decided I will not be buying this set. As much as I want Star Wars in 1080p, I'm not supporting this shit.


RE: Ehh,
By BSMonitor on 9/6/2011 9:12:03 AM , Rating: 2
As frequently as I disagree with you, you are exactly right here.

Although, minus the dialogue from 2 and 3, I liked them. Without a Han Solo-like character, the first 3 movies are rather dull dialog-wise... I have never heard the word "Democracy" spoken SO many times in any movie of any genre.. Let alone a movie about a vast galactic empire.. Really, Democracy would work with trillions of people across millions of planets?? Seems like that would be a bit difficult to accomplish..

Especially considering the first movie shows two races on just one planet who have some form of a monarch!!! LMAO


RE: Ehh,
By theapparition on 9/6/2011 3:42:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I have decided I will not be buying this set. As much as I want Star Wars in 1080p, I'm not supporting this shit.

Keep in mind, Lucas does have a history of releasing in a new format, and later on re-releasing with the originals. He is the master at getting us losers to poney up for several copies of the same movie.

I'm with you. I won't buy Star Wars in HD until the originals are released.


RE: Ehh,
By JW.C on 9/5/2011 12:59:24 AM , Rating: 2
The problem I have with that entire scene is the fact that they flew down a trench and shot sideway at a target that should have been easier to hit from an angle


RE: Ehh,
By Calin on 9/6/2011 5:19:43 AM , Rating: 2
They flew thru the trench to avoid as many of the "anti fighter" laser turrets as possible (and those they couldn't avoid took a toll).
Or such is my impression


RE: Ehh,
By Rankor on 9/5/2011 2:23:19 AM , Rating: 3
"Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances..."

It is sad to see these movies that I watched when I was a kid changed and re-edited just so they can be more palatable to the times and to possibly appeal to a newer audience.


RE: Ehh,
By aharris on 9/3/2011 6:14:51 PM , Rating: 1
By "yoda puppet looked fake" I think he meant "the yoda puppet looked like something out of scene from Sesame Street." Give me the Yoda from Episode II over IV any day of the week.

Incoming downrate, but eff it: As long as he stays away from Jar Jar and generally associated retardedness, Lucas has every right to update his films. I'm not the only one that thinks they sure as hell needed it, but apparently Obama has you baby-boomers feeling vocal.

Your generation can quit being selfish, buy the old version, and let those of us who enjoy technological progress appreciate it in a scenario where it's used to keep an aging classic modern.

As for CGI not being good enough, I have a friend named Avatar who I'd like to introduce you to.


RE: Ehh,
By aharris on 9/3/2011 6:15:36 PM , Rating: 2
*Episode V, not IV


RE: Ehh,
By Reclaimer77 on 9/3/2011 7:27:10 PM , Rating: 5
"I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that films that I watched when I was young and the films that I watched throughout my life are preserved, so that my children can see them."

-George Lucas-


RE: Ehh,
By Reclaimer77 on 9/3/11, Rating: -1
RE: Ehh,
By Etsp on 9/4/2011 3:54:37 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
By the way I don't have children so I'm not a goddamn "baby boomer", idiot.

Per Wikipedia: "A baby boomer is a person who was born during the demographic Post-World War II baby boom and who grew up during the 1960s and 1970s" It has nothing to do with having children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer


RE: Ehh,
By Trisped on 9/5/2011 2:23:43 AM , Rating: 1
Way to do Reclaimer77. Take an attempt to have a civilized conversation and split into your own personal harp fest. I guess that is why I stopped reading comments on DT.

Anyways, as far as movies go, a movie is the culmination of may things to make a complete idea. For example, in Toy Story 3 they talked about the number of hours it took to design the sign which appears for 2-3 seconds in the initial action sequence. That attention to detail can be seen through the whole movie, and that attention is what Lucas wanted but couldn't afford. As a result he used a cheep plot trick to tweak the Imperials from their normal modus operandi to blind over confidence. Normally the Imperials are over confident because they are bearing down with overwhelming force. Look at Vader's capture of Leah. He doesn't send out two fights to disable her ship and bring her back, he doesn't send out frigates, he brings a Star Destroyer and commands the assault himself. Look at the attempt to destroy the Rebels, the empire doesn't get a squad of Tie Bombers and smash their base. The empire doesn't even a fleet of Star Destroyers together and bomb their base from orbit like they do to Hoth, no they planned on destroying the entire planet. So to claim it was the Empire's fault for being over confident that they sent out fewer Tie Fighters then were needed to take out the Y-Wings and turn off the tower mounted turbo-lasers to avoid friendly fire seems inane. The fact is they should have released about 50 Tie-Fighters, totally crushed the Rebel attach force, then gloated to the Rebels before destroying their planet.
Instead we get what, 3-6 Patrol Tie-Fighters plus Vader's Tie-Advanced and two wing men. It is important to note that at the time X-Wings were favored 4 to 1 vs Tie-Fighters due to their shields, wider and heavier armament vs the more maneuverable and low armored Tie.
It is also important to note that Grand Moff Tarkin was a Grand Moff. As a result, his overconfidence would be the result of not only his commands, but also his Admirals, Generals, and Commanders in charge of the troops. He would have expected his military leaders to realize that the turbo-laser's designed to take out capital ships were not working on the smaller fighters attacking them and to send out the base's Tie-Fighters to crush them.
I have heard many theories as to why more fighters weren't sent out, but it really comes down to budged. When the first Star Wars movie came out it was not expected to do well. As a result certain scenes had to be cut and special effects removed to tell the story. Now that he has the means Lucas is trying to put those missing parts back in.
I understand people's complaints, after all, Lucas is messing with many people fondest childhood memories, and at times making glaring mistakes (like the blue screen top to the capsule in the first retouch). I still think there should be 50-72 Tie-Fighters in the Death Star battle and that Storm Troopers should learn how to shoot straight (and that we should digitally replace the Anakin in Episodes II and III with one who isn't so stupid and whinny). I also think Greedo shouldn't have shot at all, though pulling his gun and pointing it at Han for emphasis or a back story establishing Han as being hunted in a kill or be killed fashion would help us understand him better.


RE: Ehh,
By Trisped on 9/5/2011 3:00:35 AM , Rating: 2
It strikes me I wasn't clear in my original post.

When I ask "What do you guys think?" I am referring to the changes Lucas is making. Which changes do you like vs not like?


RE: Ehh,
By glennc on 9/6/2011 2:42:55 AM , Rating: 2
no they are just obnoxious asses.

i think changing any classic movie is wrong. remake sure, but leave the classics alone. a big part of star wars' charm was the low budget creativity implemented whereas these days they would just throw money at the problem, e.g. more CGI. the prequels never stood a chance.

My problem with CGI is i just can't seem to care about a CGI character as much as even a puppet. man that sounds weird. at least one is physical.

so for me, even mistakes should not be changed.


RE: Ehh,
By Reclaimer77 on 9/5/2011 10:53:50 AM , Rating: 2
How was I not being civilized? And you seem to be applying realism with a tint of hindsight while ignoring the story. Yes, of course, if the Empire did everything right they would have won. But guess what? There would have been no part 3 or 4 then because all the main characters would be dead. Yeah real great idea there.

You are talking about making changes that would radically alter the story and kill of main characters willy-nilly. I really don't understand where you're coming off, and it seems like you don't understand the importance of story telling and plot over graphics and "realism".

quote:
I still think there should be 50-72 Tie-Fighters in the Death Star battle and that Storm Troopers should learn how to shoot straight


lol??? Look what-ifs can be fun. I do it too myself. But statements like yours really undermine the whole point of the Death Star battle scene.

quote:
The fact is they should have released about 50 Tie-Fighters, totally crushed the Rebel attach force, then gloated to the Rebels before destroying their planet.


Again, WRONG. This would have completely changed/ruined the story and plot. We don't WANT the Empire to win anyway, get a clue.


RE: Ehh,
By Reclaimer77 on 9/5/2011 10:58:19 AM , Rating: 2
Edit: part 5 or 6 on third line.


RE: Ehh,
By Trisped on 9/6/2011 6:12:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
How was I not being civilized?
By attacking the comment rather then commenting on the article. In hind site it might not have been as clear as I though, hence the update comment indicating my original intentions.

As for your supposition of my ignoring the story and making changes "...that would radically alter the story" I would point out that wasn't the point and wasn't even slightly possible in the situation described. Is Lucas going to rewrite the whole series to make it more real? I think the idea is so absurd and out of context that I find myself questioning your motives in replying.
I will make one last attempt to make my stance clear.
1. In the story it is made clear that the Imperials favor overwhelming force in all situations possible. This is not evident in the Death Star battle.
2. The Rebel forces sent to attack the Death Star should have been able to stand up to much more.
3. It is clear from Lucas's revisions that he wants more fighters in the Death Star scenes. It is my belief (correct or otherwise) that if he could have put more fighters in he would have, but since he didn't have the budget he didn't.

While we could talk about effect to story and additional effects of destroying the Tie-Fighters, this is not the goal. The goal is to resolve the continuity issue of the Empire only sending out a hand full of fighters when it is extremely uncharacteristic of them.


RE: Ehh,
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2011 7:20:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
1. In the story it is made clear that the Imperials favor overwhelming force in all situations possible. This is not evident in the Death Star battle.


LOL dude, the Death Star IS overwhelming force. It can destroy a planet, no correction, EXPLODE a planet instantly in a single shot. It's the size of a moon! It was only brought down by a billion to one shot by someone using the magical "Force" which the Empire believed at the time that only they had Force sensitives in the first place. And it was just dumb luck that Han showed up when he did or Luke would have been killed by Vader anyway.

It should be noted that once the Empire understood the Death Star design was indeed vulnerable, the second one was protected by a large fleet AND planetary shielding.

So I refute your claims again. Story is the reason there "aren't enough" TIE fighters in the Death Star fight scene. Story story story!

You're arguing for special effects just for the sake of having them.

quote:
2. The Rebel forces sent to attack the Death Star should have been able to stand up to much more.


I'm not sure what you even mean by this. There were hundreds of heavy turbolasers blasting away at their fighters. They were also forced to make bombing runs in the trench where they could not maneuver or cover their rears from Tie fighters. How much more could they plausibly be expected to "stand up to"?

quote:
The goal is to resolve the continuity issue of the Empire only sending out a hand full of fighters when it is extremely uncharacteristic of them.


There are NO continuity issues. They completely destroyed Alderaan, a main planet, without a single shot being fired at them in protest. Why would they expect the attack on Yavin to go any different? They were smug and overconfident. This is an important STORY element!

Governor Tarkin: Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances.

Hello? How much more did they need to spell it out for you? The Rebels are the hopeless underdogs, they are the heroes we love to root for. The Empire doesn't just wage war against them, they view the Rebellion with utter disdain and loathing. Your "fixes" would completely undermine that plot point and change the story.


RE: Ehh,
By robinthakur on 9/5/2011 10:07:02 AM , Rating: 2
You're starting to grow on me now I know you're not all bad (your are a SW fan after al).

The puppet in the Phantom Menace looks simply *atrocious* even compared to the 1980 original, I'm not even sure how that got through screen-testing and editing, the effect is pure hilarity, lacking the effect of the original puppet which conveyed empathy, pathos and sadness easily to the audience. I actually really loved the CGI Yoda, I thought they nailed that (especially in ROTS) but usually, like you, I would prefer physical effects over obnoxiously CGI ones. Sticking with the Phantom Menace, some of the effects look actually quite dated already, with a lot of flat barely textured objects like the droid army and the assault carriers as do some of the other puppets like the trade federation people. I'm sure they will be revisioned as technology improves however...!

The original Trilogy were made in a different era but at the time, the special effects by ILM were the Gold Standard and illicited wows. There was not the same competition for special effects from other movies and nobody like Michael Bay (thank god, based on TF3.) If George Lucas released new Star Wars into that modern marketplace but didn't take it to the next level, then people would have complained, so he's pretty damned either way really! I enjoyed ROTS and AOTC to a lesser extent, but loathed TPM with a passion.


RE: Ehh,
By MrBlastman on 9/3/2011 10:15:43 PM , Rating: 5
What do I think? I saw the Original Episode IV (Star Wars) in a Drive-in movie theater in 1977 when it was first released. I'm that old. Sure, I had to sit on a phone book to see over the dash, but, I was there! :)

I think the first Death Star battle was perfect. Totally perfect. I couldn't have been done any better. Why? Millions--hundreds of millions in dollars in ticket sales and this massive franchise that exists today (even though Lucas is trying to implode it) are because of that movie. That scene is still amazing when you watch it to this day. I for one prefer the models over CGI. I hate CGI. It _always_ looks so fake.

Yoda in Empire, he was perfect. He couldn't have been done any better. Once again, I prefer the real, physical puppet over the CGI. The CGI isn't tangible, it is bits and bytes... it is... fake. Empire was a masterpiece. That movie should live on for centuries as one of the greatest sci-fi films ever made.

Jaba's whole chapter was amazing. I loved it. I was on the edge of my seat when I saw it in the theater when it first was released.

Nothing, I repeat, nothing at all should ever be changed. Especially Han Solo! DO NOT MESS WITH HAN. He shot Greedo first. Rightly so, might I add. It was in Han's personality. The fact that he shot Greedo first is what made Han so special. He was a mercenary. He was filthy. He was a freelancer that went where the coin took him and he had a rotten past. It all added to his character.

It really pisses me off when Lucas messes around with those first three films. Sure, I might be sentimental, but I was there watching them all when they first came out in the 70's and 80's.


RE: Ehh,
By Steve1981 on 9/4/2011 8:33:19 AM , Rating: 2
FWIW:
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

Not bad for a movie that cost $13 million at the time to make, and was hardly expected at the time of production to be a major blockbuster.


RE: Ehh,
By cmdrdredd on 9/4/11, Rating: 0
RE: Ehh,
By Reclaimer77 on 9/4/2011 12:03:42 PM , Rating: 3
Not always. For example the CGI in District 9 is amazingly well done. Hell those 'prawns' could have been guys in really expensive costumes it looked so real. But it also helps tell the story. The problem is CGI is often used in lieu of good story telling and plot development.


RE: Ehh,
By robinthakur on 9/5/2011 10:09:42 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree, I thought the prawns looked pretty cheap and obviously CGI. The spaceships looked very nice though. Neither altered my appreciation of he overall movie though.


RE: Ehh,
By theapparition on 9/6/2011 3:39:13 PM , Rating: 2
CGI isn't the problem, and I don't think many here would argue that. Good CGI (think what WetaDigital did with Lord of the Rings) should be indistinguishable and not detract from the storytelling.

The issue here is going back and changing what was already released. Changing the storyline, dialog, and characters. That's what people are getting riled up over, with good cause.

This isn't about coloring old B&W movies. This is about changing the story, and not giving the people the option for a HD version of the original. That is unforgivable in my book.


RE: Ehh,
By Dug on 9/9/2011 2:44:09 PM , Rating: 2
That's funny. I saw it in a drive in too for the first time. I don't think most people here know what a drive in is.


RE: Ehh,
By EvL OnE on 9/7/2011 7:34:14 PM , Rating: 2
Vader cloned himself and teaches his son to walk the line among Light and Dark Jedi. Only the chosen one will lead both sides of the Force......How Lucas gets to that point is another story.


He's changing with the times
By 91TTZ on 9/3/11, Rating: -1
RE: He's changing with the times
By TEAMSWITCHER on 9/3/2011 9:23:30 PM , Rating: 2
That's total bullshit. Younger audiences are more sophisticated now than when you went to see Star Wars as a kid. Your looking at the past with the rose colored glasses of a child's memory. I hate to break it to you, but George Lucas was never that good. He was lucky, he had people working for him that could deliver. He never even directed Empire and Jedi, that's the reason they were better. Now he's left to tinker and the original films are made to suffer. Watch them you can, but you will destroy all for which they have fought and suffered.....


RE: He's changing with the times
By 91TTZ on 9/4/2011 3:27:02 PM , Rating: 3
Younger audiences are more sophisticated now? Students are dumber now than they were in the past. Students in a given grade level are worse off than they were 20 years ago. Look at the math scores of 8th graders today compared with 20 years ago. Look at the reading scores.

They're certainly dumber.


RE: He's changing with the times
By Warren21 on 9/9/2011 1:57:46 PM , Rating: 2
I think that's more a reflection on the failings of today's education system vs. the system in place 20+ years ago more than the children's potential itself. Our education system is lagging behind the rest of the developped world, it's sad.


The sad part is...
By cmdrdredd on 9/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: The sad part is...
By LordConrad on 9/4/2011 2:03:40 PM , Rating: 2
Wrong.

I will pass on the blu-ray version and continue to watch the original films on my 2006 DVD set.


RE: The sad part is...
By FITCamaro on 9/4/2011 3:08:26 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I waited for the extended edition of the Lord of the Rings movies on Blu-ray before I bought them.

And no I'm not going to buy it. As much as I want to. I refuse to fuel this crap.


RE: The sad part is...
By cmdrdredd on 9/5/2011 10:49:11 AM , Rating: 1
Again you can say that but I know for a fact you'll break down when you see the reviews and realize it's not as bad as the internet rumors say.

It happens with every release. Internet forums blow up with video and screen shots designed to push a single viewpoint that the release is garbage. Then go watch it and realize the supposed smart guy on the forum pointing out all the flaws was wrong because in motion, when you're actually watching it...you don't notice it.


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