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The UK will test 5G beginning next year

If you recently picked up a smartphone like the Samsung Galaxy S3 or iPhone 5 and reveled at the "lightning-fast" 4G LTE network, be prepared -- the next best thing is already on its way.

According to Giga OM, 5G network connectivity will begin testing in the United Kingdom next year. The testing will take place at the University of Surrey's Centre for Communication Systems Research (CCSR) in the UK.

The project is expected to cost around £35 million ($56 million USD), where about £11.6 million will come from the UK government and the other £24 million will be provided by a group of tech companies, including Samsung, Huawei, Fukitsu Laboratories Europe, Rohde-Schwarz, Telefonica Europe and AIRCOM International.

The CCSR has been working on 5G for a few years, but it is just now coming together to work with the other companies to make 5G a reality. According to Professor Rahim Tafazolli, head of CCSR, the new network will be spectrum-efficient and energy-efficient. It will also be faster, with cell speeds bumped up to a capacity of 10Gbps.

"Mobile data traffic is increasing exponentially year-on-year," said Tafazolli. "The amount of spectrum that we have now is not sufficient to carry all the traffic. We are soon going to run out of capacity, even with LTE, unless there is a huge amount of spectrum made available -- and if we are doubling traffic every year, then even twice the spectrum [that is currently available] is not sufficient.

"We have developed many technologies that are suitable for 5G using computer simulation and mathematical analysis and what this test bed allows us is to integrate all these technologies together and optimise them end-to-end and take them to standards afterwards. We are looking at the processors, protocols, algorithms and techniques...we won't try to optimise the hardware implementation -- that is something industry will do. We have developed the know-how."

According to TechWeek Europe, a 200Mbps 5G network trial will begin at CCSR in 2013. The 5G network won't likely be launched to the public for another 10-15 years.

"We're bringing all the major stakeholders together and we are going to decide on the advanced technologies and test them end-to-end. Once we are happy with the set of technologies that we have developed, in terms of performance, then we will push that particular technology towards standardization."

Sources: Giga OM, TechWeek Europe

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So where's the real 4G?
By BugblatterIII on 10/9/2012 12:51:54 AM , Rating: 1
LTE is really 3.9G; some marseketing idiots decided to call it 4G to get everyone to upgrade.

Whatever happened to the real 4G? Is that still going to happen?

RE: So where's the real 4G?
By thesavvymage on 10/9/2012 2:42:23 AM , Rating: 2
define "real" 4g...

RE: So where's the real 4G?
By othercents on 10/9/2012 9:15:52 AM , Rating: 2
4G defined by the International Telecommunications Union-Radio (ITU-R) is 1Gbit/s for low mobility communication. Both WiMAX and LTE support much less than 1Gbit/s peak bit rate and are not fully IMT-Advanced compliant. They shouldn't be labeled 4G, but Beyond-3G.

WiMAX 2 and LTE-A should be available in 2013 and promise to have speeds over 1Gbit/s. They are also backward compatible, so even if you phone doesn't get 1Gbit/s speed you shouldn't be affected by a network that upgrades their technology.

RE: So where's the real 4G?
By theapparition on 10/9/2012 11:24:33 AM , Rating: 3
When are people going to let it go.

The ITU changed their official definition of 4G to any network that provides substantial improvement over 3G.

People can argue all they want over what it's called. But the fact is that the ITU themselves changed the definition. Arguing over a name is pointless at best.

RE: So where's the real 4G?
By augiem on 10/9/2012 2:16:22 PM , Rating: 2
No it isn't when you have companies like Metro POS (PCS) peddling "4G" when their service gets roughly the same speed as 3G from any of the other carriers. I don't even want to think about their 3G service... ugh.

Consumers are dumb. If these terms are regulated somehow, they're meaningless except to snare the uninformed.

RE: So where's the real 4G?
By augiem on 10/9/2012 2:17:06 PM , Rating: 2
If these terms aren't regulated somehow...

RE: So where's the real 4G?
By BugblatterIII on 10/9/2012 8:30:11 PM , Rating: 2
It's about the order in which things happened. The ITU changed the definition after a lot of confusing marketing had already come out calling 3.9G 4G.

The ITU were trying to avoid further confusion because the confusion those marketing arses had already caused was plenty.

The name itself wouldn't matter, except that consumers now seem to think they're getting the 4G they were promised and they're not, and that could slow adoption of 'true' 4G.

RE: So where's the real 4G?
By theapparition on 10/10/2012 11:29:56 AM , Rating: 2
The name itself wouldn't matter, except that consumers now seem to think they're getting the 4G they were promised and they're not

Hogwash. 99.9% of consumers don't even know what the ITU is, let alone know what they were promised or what the actual definition of 4G is.

And you view of the situation is quite different from the truth. The truth is that the ITU was forced to change the definition because their existing definition was untenable. There wasn't enough bandwidth to support true 4G on the current and upcoming technologies. So an agreement was made, the definition changed, and then carriers started to call HSPA+, Wimax and LTE as 4G, while not a single one of those technologies actually supported the old definition.

In the end, you can argue this all you want. It's about as fruitful as arguing whether toilet paper should be hung over or under. While us .1% debate the situation, 99.9% of the world will continue on calling it 4G.

Personally, I didn't agree with the redefinition either, but at a point you have to give in and accept that it's just the way it is. No point fighting a battle that's already over.

RE: So where's the real 4G?
By inperfectdarkness on 10/9/2012 3:12:32 AM , Rating: 1
Heck, for that matter, wtf is the 4g coverage? All theories about bandwidth choking aside, are we just going to leapfrog from 3g to 5g directly and forgo 4g implementation? I mean, I'm ok with that...but I'd rather have saturated coverage than blazing speed in one spot of my neighbor's backyard.

RE: So where's the real 4G?
By darkhawk1980 on 10/9/2012 7:01:20 AM , Rating: 2
I guess you sorta forgot to read the part in the article where they state it will be another 10 to 15 years before this starts to be implemented.....

As far as 4g...even my small little town in the middle of Pennsylvania has 4g....maybe it's time for you to move somewhere with better coverage....

RE: So where's the real 4G?
By Dr of crap on 10/9/2012 8:22:06 AM , Rating: 2
Yea lets move so that we can get faster cell phone speed!!!!!
That's all I need to survive in the world - fast cell phone service.

By inperfectdarkness on 10/10/2012 2:44:21 AM , Rating: 2
the city containing georgia's largest single employer doesn't have 4g coverage--or at least it didn't when i left in february. so's not "everywhere". it's completely arbitrary as to where/when coverage is implemented. i never jumped on board with the evo 4g because of the utter lack of 4g coverage in the area i was living in (again, this is a city where the largest employer in the state is located).

so you can take your "better move" argument and shove it right up your pee-hole.

RE: So where's the real 4G?
By Shadowself on 10/9/2012 9:59:58 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, the ITU initially defined "4G" as having the ability to do a maximum of 1 Gbps under optimal circumstances. Yes, HSPA+, WiMax and LTE do not support that high a maximum rate.

However, the ITU redefined "4G" in December 2010 to allow these technologies to officially be called "4G".

What does that do to WiMax 2 or LTE-A? What will they be called when they are finally rolled out in 2013 through 2016?

It should be interesting to find out what the marketeers use as the name of the class of service for those waveforms and protocols that really do meet the initial "4G" definition. We're already seeing marketing that says "4G" for HSPA+ and "4G LTE" for LTE.

Data cap
By aurareturn on 10/8/2012 10:34:44 PM , Rating: 1
So instead of hitting your data caps in a few minutes, you hit it in 1-2 seconds.

All sad but true jokes aside, when this happens, cloud computing will truly take off. You can basically stream anything from blue ray movies to entire operating systems efficiently.

Plus there's really not much need for capacity on your phone anymore. Just leave everything on Dropbox or Google Drive.

RE: Data cap
By StevoLincolnite on 10/8/2012 11:53:30 PM , Rating: 2
I can already use up my 2gb download cap in about 5 minuets on 4G at a cool 60Mbps... Sometimes Manage 80Mbps on a good day. - One of the few great things about Australian internet is the Wireless speeds, some of the best in the world.

Personally I would rather lower latency and higher download limits than more speed, but that's just me.
Already my 4G Wireless is faster than my home DSL connection by a factor of 10x, DSL's maximum speed decreases the farther you are form the Exchange/RIM/CMUX, which due to distance I get about 5-6Mbps out of a maximum of 24Mbps.
Roll on the National Broadband Network and give me fiber!

RE: Data cap
By timorous1985 on 10/9/2012 2:50:42 AM , Rating: 2
What data cap? I am on three's one plan and they have unlimited data. My bill came through and I used 160GB of data. They do not even throttle and they are fast for 3g, I get between 10-15Mbps downloads. It is faster than my ADSL.

RE: Data cap
By titanmiller on 10/9/2012 9:17:35 PM , Rating: 2
How do you use 160GB of mobile data? Are you tethering to your PC?

RE: Data cap
By Chadder007 on 10/9/2012 9:21:56 AM , Rating: 3
I bet AT&T sets out a new plan that starts you out at 128mb after they roll 5G out.

By btc909 on 10/8/2012 10:38:36 PM , Rating: 2
If data caps can be abolished FiOS via fiber is dead. The rumors are already spreading around the FiOS tech community. Will it be 4G or 5G I don't know. Installation costs is one of the big reasons and other providers have a unspoken monopoly based on various reasons that Verizon can't touch those areas. Verizon wanted to dump DSL & even analog copper lines years ago.

By mcnabney on 10/9/2012 9:51:21 AM , Rating: 2
Data caps will never go away.


There is just not enough wireless spectrum. Allowing unlimited at high speeds will clog it back to 2/3G speeds (like on Sprint).

By augiem on 10/9/2012 4:36:00 PM , Rating: 2
A wifi (or similar) secondary, short-range network needs to be built out to take the load off the limited cell wavelengths and it ideally should all be part of the same data plan. Data caps would not be a absolute necessity this scenario.

By silverblue on 10/9/2012 5:09:49 AM , Rating: 2
Fukitsu Laboratories Europe


RE: Fu-what?
By Spookster on 10/9/2012 11:28:25 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah they are right down the road from Fukitsme University.

Putting the Cart Before the Horse
By KPOM1 on 10/8/2012 10:59:47 PM , Rating: 2
Before the UK starts testing 5G, wouldn't it be nice if they got their 4G networks up and running?

By simsony on 10/9/2012 3:45:41 AM , Rating: 2
The headline is hopelessly misleading. This so called "5G" is just to understand what options to pick for the next standard. It probably won't be ready for another 4 or 5 years. It will have to be standardised, base stations built, optimised, made cost effective for the real world.

This is a research project. It isn't commercially viable or practical by a long shot.

More non-news
By FITCamaro on 10/9/2012 8:13:00 AM , Rating: 2
Hey! Research is happening and you'll see the results in 10-15 years!


RE: More non-news
By Dr of crap on 10/9/2012 8:26:32 AM , Rating: 2
Thats great! LOL.

I agree, it's like you read about the new tech everyday, but these new things won't be ready for years. I guess they don't have any REAL news to write about. So write about the next BIG thing, and then we can wait for year for that thing to hit the shelves!

Imagine the possibilities
By dsquare86 on 10/9/2012 8:26:50 PM , Rating: 2
Super fast facebook browsing... Super fast discovering that I have no money on my mobile banking app. Most of all, super fast porn when I am supposed to be working... Rock on!!

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