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"Benevolent dictator for life" trashes on OS makers and hardware partners alike while celebrating Linux's glory.

Linux’s “benevolent dictator” Linux Torvalds can be a bit of an opinionated chap at times.  From sounding off about Android smartphones to commenting on patent disputes, Mr. Torvalds’ opinion carries a fair bit of weight as one of the elder statesmen of the tech community.

I. Torvalds Calls NVIDIA Worst Hardware Company He's Dealt With

Surprisingly, Mr. Torvalds used his bully pulpit on Thursday, June 14 at a conference talk at the Aalto Center for Entrepreneurship (ACE) in Espoo, Finland to abuse NVIDIA Corp. (NVDA) – seemingly a strong hardware supporter of the Linux movement.

Despite its prominent role as a system-on-a-chip developer (via its Tegra line) for Android, and despite the fact that its personal computer (PC) driver support is generally regarded as much superior to rival Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (AMD), Mr. Torvalds calls out the chipmaker for what he views as inadequate efforts.

He rages, "NVIDIA has been one of the worse trouble spot we've had with hardware manufacturers.  And that is really sad because NVIDIA tries to sell chips, a lot of chips into the Android market.  And NVIDIA has been the single worst company we've ever dealt with.  So NVIDIA f—k you!"

At this point in his talk Mr. Torvalds does his best Eminem impression and raises his middle finger in insult at NVIDIA.

Linus Torvalds uncensored
Linus Torvalds' message to NVIDIA [Image Source: YouTube]

Apparently Mr. Torvalds' "beef" with NVIDIA stems from the fact that the Optimus power saving technology for laptops and certain other specialty features were late coming to Linux's git repository, versus Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) and Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) operating systems.

Further NVIDIA has apparently expressed that some minor features may not make it to the Linux driver releases at all.

II. Torvalds: Microsoft is "Full of S--t", Apple and Microsoft are inferior to Linux

"I use strong language on the internet to the point where some people feel offended.  And that's their problem." Mr. Torvalds comments in defense of his profane tirades, "... I actually believe that when you work with a lot of people it's better to be really open with your feelings so you don't by mistake have people who misread you."

Mr. Torvalds also flung some hate Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) and Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) way earlier (around the 40 min mark), criticizing their lack of a unified kernel.  He comments, "We do fairly well in cell phones and that multi-core in cell phones is actually important now and we're really good at it was an accidental result of the fact that we happened to do supercomputers 10 years ago... That's been a huge success of Linux.  And I think that's interesting from a technical standpoint how important it has been for Linux to have one single kernel for every single device out there... If you look at every single other operating system out there ever nobody has ever done that before.

Look at Apple they have separate operating systems for their low-end and their high-end devices.  Look at Microsoft, same thing.  They're claiming that they're trying to merge them in Windows 8.  They're lying. They're not.  They're full of s--t." 


Mr. Torvalds claims Microsoft is "lying" to customers regarding the Windows 8 kernel.
[Image Source: Lenovo]

Trashing the world's largest operating maker and insulting one of your biggest hardware partners requires either a great deal of boldness or a fair bit of insanity.  Mr. Torvalds, undoubtly a great tech luminary, likely has a bit of both, and he's eager to speak his mind, that's for sure.

Watch the rest of his Q&A/talk/rant here:

Source: YouTube



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What magical Linux build does he use?
By StanO360 on 6/18/2012 12:37:04 PM , Rating: 3
All the ones I've installed and used are inferior to Windows7 (not too say their bad, but just not better). I guess all computer buyers are irrational idiots, buying inferior products at higher prices, because people do that all the time . . . oh wait, no they don't.




RE: What magical Linux build does he use?
By ShaolinSoccer on 6/18/2012 12:50:10 PM , Rating: 2
What do you mean by "inferior"? If all you're talking about is for gaming then ya, it is. But lots of companies, especially in Europe, use Linux and the fact that it's free saves them tons of money. Imagine how much money Google has saved. And that's just ONE company.


By SPOOFE on 6/18/2012 1:25:08 PM , Rating: 4
Ah, so Linux is only worth a damn in certain situations, just like most tools. If you need to unscrew a bolt, a hammer is kinda worthless.


By XZerg on 6/19/2012 9:51:52 AM , Rating: 2
you are an iDiot if you think a lot of companies use Linux for free. Most companies use Linux due to stability and server grade software, not because it is free. Most companies pay considerable figure to a vendor to support any OS that's used on their systems, including Linux.

Just to get you to understand what I said - the default SSH server in linux build is free and open however corporates will pay $$$ to a vendor to support it to ensure that there is little downtime. The fact that it is open is also sometimes a concern for many.


RE: What magical Linux build does he use?
By Bateluer on 6/18/2012 10:10:53 PM , Rating: 1
Popular distros, Ubuntu, Mint, and Fedora, will do 99.99% of what people want their PC to do. And are usually just as easy to install and use.


By steven975 on 6/19/2012 9:11:51 AM , Rating: 2
until you need to do something that isn't.

Installing flash plugins on Ubuntu is hardly automatic. I had to invoke Sudo to do that.


Wow
By MarioJP on 6/18/2012 1:26:38 PM , Rating: 2
Now it all makes sense. If the creator himself trash talk with cursing.Wonder what kind of impact this is going to have. Nvidia could simply drop support if they were to see this video. Ouch Not cool at all.

With that being said I played with Google chrome and immediately uninstalled that POS. I don't care how many generation it has been. It is not the same where as Nvidia Apple and MS brings products that people actually enjoy. When i installed ubuntu on my laptop i felt discouraged to ever turning it on. And now with this trash talk.. It made my decision much easier. *wipes ubuntu and puts windows 7 back on again*




RE: Wow
By RazelDazel2 on 6/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: Wow
By jwcalla on 6/18/2012 3:47:07 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure what you're referring to. NVIDIA provides by and far the best video drivers on Linux.


RE: Wow
By JKflipflop98 on 6/18/2012 5:26:49 PM , Rating: 2
Nvidia pulling their support would be a major blow to linux.


RE: Wow
By Lugaidster on 6/19/2012 6:22:20 PM , Rating: 2
About the only usable GPUs on a linux desktop come from Nvidia. They couldn't care less about open-source, but they have the best GPU drivers available today, and I kinda hate them because of it, as I really miss optimus when using Linux on a laptop, great way to burn your lap and battery on the go.


In today's news
By Argon18 on 6/19/2012 10:44:58 AM , Rating: 2
The new IBM Sequoia is the fastest supercomputer in the world . (All over the news today, but I guess DT is slow on reporting it)

It doesn't use x86 processors, or run Windows.

It uses IBM POWER6 processors and runs Red Hat Enterprise Linux .

'nuff said.




RE: In today's news
By Boze on 6/19/2012 5:03:53 PM , Rating: 2
Cool. Too bad I can't run my games and most of the programs I actually use on a day-to-day basis on Linux.


RE: In today's news
By stardude692001 on 6/20/2012 12:44:31 AM , Rating: 2
yeah games porn and a web browser are what I want.
Linex may do super computers but they suck at desktops.
Talking about linex in anything other than a business or scientific way is like talking about NASA as compared American Airlines when choosing how to fly to Orlando.


RE: In today's news
By Lugaidster on 6/19/2012 6:24:38 PM , Rating: 2
I wasn't aware that supercomputers were desktop computers.


BRAVO!
By kattanna on 6/18/2012 12:24:56 PM , Rating: 3
nice way to take the high ground and present yourself in a rational manor

;>)




RE: BRAVO!
By FITCamaro on 6/18/2012 12:44:16 PM , Rating: 2
manner.


RE: BRAVO!
By rabbitslayer21 on 6/18/2012 12:58:22 PM , Rating: 2
Mr. Torvalds holds millions of dollars in tech stock. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to find him ruling a sizable estate, logical or otherwise.


meh
By jwcalla on 6/18/2012 1:04:34 PM , Rating: 5
I'm a fan of Linux but IMO this kind of stuff is just embarrassing. I was hoping Linux was finally moving away from this sort of offputting nonsense talk and embracing third-party commercial entities.

Linux does have a wide variety of success in certain sectors, but that's mostly due to its cost effectiveness.

Linus bragging about "one kernel for all devices" is kind of confusing to me. To criticize other companies for not following that philosophy seems pretty silly. There's no evidence that the one path is superior to the other.




RE: meh
By Ringold on 6/18/2012 4:51:31 PM , Rating: 2
This will be like politics and, to a certain extent, some areas of science. A new breed of more rational folk wont be able to take hold without forcing the old guard out (which is socially very hard to do), or they retire, or finally end up six feet under. Open-source extremists aren't any more likely to open up then Occupy Wall Streeters are likely to vote for Romney.


I would Be LOLin
By MarioJP on 6/18/2012 7:34:19 PM , Rating: 2
If Windows 8 takes marketshare because people are only complaining about the U.I (skin) but still works the same under the hood. After experimentation with Win 8 release candidate. Just like Windows 7 it still works. This whole "metro" debate is nothing more than a cosmetic argument and i do admit its a big change in the windows platform. But like i stated before under the hood is where it counts. I was at least able to get around and mess with the settings much more efficiently than ubuntu and google chrome OS combined. And that right there is whats going to be funny.

No offense to those that say "Linux is much friendlier than Windows" Oh really?? who are you kidding..Yourself?? Let see try running real game application without using wine and see how far that gets you. Even if they were to port a game to Linux you still have to fiddle around the "kernel" to get it going.

All this Ubuntu software center is just a band aid. As long as you rely on that for the application you should be fine. But the problem is what if you want to keep the installers and files for offline use. Such as installing adobe flash. Messing with those tar.gz files. Yea ok. While Apple And MS you can use the store if you like or you can just download the file and install. How hard is that to do without fiddling around with "Mr.Sudo" over here. Really??

And the fact that most users keeps saying its "more friendlier than windows" is the reason why Linux will never thrive on the desktop. This is 2012 and so many chances it had especially with vista (which by the way i was the few that had 0 issues with) but nope.. Like Steve Jobs would say..

You blew it lol.




RE: I would Be LOLin
By freeman70 on 6/18/2012 10:10:30 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously, you don't really understand how linux works. Most distributions have an apt-cache of the latest install of many applications. If I reinstall the same version of an app, it doesn't need to download it, it just uses this cache. Secondly, with most distributions, you can download .deb, .rpm, etc. files and install them like you would an .exe or .msi from windows. Linux IS easier if your hardware is supported. Before you start, don't give me any bs about hardware support on Windows. They took their sweet time with drivers for Vista and some perfectly good peripherals are still unusable on Win 7 because they never rewrote drivers for it. An old USB 1.1 webcam I needed in a pinch worked with linux but didn't in Win 7. Strangely enough, USB Internet sharing of my HTC smartphone 3G connection was automatically recognized by Ubuntu but not Win 7. This is weird because the HTC settings only have two options, one for windows and one for OS X. I started using the internet with Ubuntu as soon as I plugged it in but Windows wanted a driver which I couldn't supply because I wasn't connected to the Internet.

Just because you are unfamiliar with Linux doesn't mean it's bad. Tar files are not much different than zip, rar, or pkzip.

Linux is easier. Updates for system security and all your applications are done automatically. There isn't much need for resource-hog anti-virus software. You don't have to defrag your hard drive all the time. Also, it rarely needs to reboot after system updates.

I contend that if you just do a little word processing, surf the web, view photos, Linux is the way to go. If you set it up right, you will have a lot less hassle managing the system. If you want to play the latest games, then use Windows.


Wow, another tech nutjob
By morphologia on 6/19/2012 8:50:53 AM , Rating: 4
Good companies and organizations are going south with really nutty leaders. Linus is rapidly becoming a weird hybrid of Steve Jobs and Charlie Sheen, with a bit of Kim Jong Il mixed in.




good.
By Pessimism on 6/18/2012 12:33:55 PM , Rating: 1
NVIDIA deserves this after bumpgate.




RE: good.
By geddarkstorm on 6/18/2012 1:19:16 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone who's tried to get Optimus to work right with linux probably shares at least a small degree of Linus's frustration. NVIDIA does some bizarre stuff with their decision making. It's kinda just something one has to expect from them.


Small Hands
By Autisticgramma on 6/18/2012 5:24:21 PM , Rating: 3
Any one else think "omg its littlefinger" when you saw the first picture?




Linux
By Ristogod on 6/18/2012 12:28:17 PM , Rating: 2
Another reason I couldn't give a shit about Linux....




By vailr on 6/18/2012 2:43:10 PM , Rating: 2
Linus Torvalds was named joint winner of the 2012 Millennium Technology Prize. Torvalds will take home over $750,000 as his part of the prize money.
http://www.hardocp.com/news/2012/06/13/linus_torva...

Maybe: Mr. Torvalds was a little gleeful from having just won $750,000?




Still?
By The Insolent One on 6/18/2012 3:54:20 PM , Rating: 2
People are still fighting over operating systems? Really?

Hopefully one of these days people will treat them the same as their toaster. They power it up... get what they want and turn it off.




Torvalds is very WRONG!!!
By tecknurd on 6/18/2012 6:03:14 PM , Rating: 2
Geeks loves being in control. What provides them this control is information. Source code is information to geeks too, so they want all the source code of every device to be in control. Linus Torvalds probably is saying "F*** YOU!" because nVidia is not willing to provide the source code of their hardware. I do not blame nVidia because they code their drivers down to the nitty-gritty of the hardware compared to AMD graphics. If nVidia does give out the source code of the graphics, they will be exploit their property to their competitors and their competitors will monopolized the market since there will be no competition. I have used nVidia graphic cards since 2004 and about the time I switched to Linux and use it on a daily basis. nVidia does support their hardware in Linux including when the kernel has never ending changes that are completely different than previous versions, so Torvalds is wrong. Actually nVidia supports their hardware more than Intel and AMD Graphics combine. Gamers are told to use nVidia if they want to play games in Linux. I do believe seeing Linux drivers on a CD that came with nVidia graphics card, so saying that nVidia does not support Linux is just "WRONG!" Another thing Torvalds is also wrong that nVidia does not play well with YouTube which is wrong. YouTube requires Flash and this means it is Adobe is at fault. Hardware acceleration for Flash has never worked in Linux on any of my graphics cards from ATI, AMD Graphics, and nVidia.

Lately, I have been having trouble with VDPAU, but to me it seems VDPAU is trying to be compatible with the bad coding structure of Flash that accesses VDPAU. Because of VDPAU trying to be compatible with Flash, Mplayer does not work reliable with VDPAU like it did before. Luckily, Mplayer supports multi-threading, so decoding H.264 and MPEG-4 does not take to much a toll on my computer.

AMD Graphics may seem they are providing documentation and open source code of their hardware, but it is basically closed sourced. AtomBIOS keeps their or AMD graphics property behind closed doors, so they may seem to support open source community in their own way of course. AMD does tell open source developers to not use a certain decompiler because it will exploit their hardware.

I have no problems having a mixture of open source and closed source because it provides the best of both worlds. Most geeks do not see it this way.




UNIX
By TBK0000 on 6/18/2012 6:42:15 PM , Rating: 2
Back to the roots....

IllumOS (Solaris) all the way, go home gazillion Linux distros.

There is no reason to use an imitation when you can get the real deal.




I would Be LOLin
By MarioJP on 6/18/2012 7:33:38 PM , Rating: 2
If Windows 8 takes marketshare because people are only complaining about the U.I (skin) but still works the same under the hood. After experimentation with Win 8 release candidate. Just like Windows 7 it still works. This whole "metro" debate is nothing more than a cosmetic argument and i do admit its a big change in the windows platform. But like i stated before under the hood is where it counts. I was at least able to get around and mess with the settings much more efficiently than ubuntu and google chrome OS combined. And that right there is whats going to be funny.

No offense to those that say "Linux is much friendlier than Windows" Oh really?? who are you kidding..Yourself?? Let see try running real game application without using wine and see how far that gets you. Even if they were to port a game to Linux you still have to fiddle around the "kernel" to get it going.

All this Ubuntu software center is just a band aid. As long as you rely on that for the application you should be fine. But the problem is what if you want to keep the installers and files for offline use. Such as installing adobe flash. Messing with those tar.gz files. Yea ok. While Apple And MS you can use the store if you like or you can just download the file and install. How hard is that to do without fiddling around with "Mr.Sudo" over here. Really??

And the fact that most users keeps saying its "more friendlier than windows" is the reason why Linux will never thrive on the desktop. This is 2012 and so many chances it had especially with vista (which by the way i was the few that had 0 issues with) but nope.. Like Steve Jobs would say..

You blew it lol.




1st sentence typos.
By highlander2107 on 6/18/2012 9:55:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Linux’s “benevolent dictator” Linux Torvalds can be a bit of an opinionated chap at times.


Typos.




He's so classy
By overlandpark4me on 6/19/2012 2:13:42 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe I should give him the address of the nearest WalMart for him to hang out at.




Linux vs Windows
By JackNSally on 6/19/2012 4:25:32 AM , Rating: 2
Apples and oranges.
Linux is great if your hardware is supported and is cool for programmers and cheap OS for "internets browsing".

Linus shouldn't be so arrogant.
Have you ever seen Bill Gates or Steve Jobs tell ANY company "F&#K YOU!"? Or say Linus is "Full of s#$t!"? Real mature and good way to push the popularity of your OS.




Meh...
By Belard on 6/19/2012 7:57:09 AM , Rating: 2
Amiga blows them all away.




Yawn
By B3an on 6/19/2012 1:20:02 PM , Rating: 2
Linux is ****. End of discussion.

But articles like this always seem to get all 0.1% of Linux users flocking to them.




oh look
By shin0bi272 on 6/19/2012 1:43:33 PM , Rating: 2
Douchebag who thought everyone would love unix on the pc was wrong again and now hes pissed. Hey Linus, fuck you and fuck linux!




the facts
By ashreyn on 6/18/2012 10:42:03 PM , Rating: 1
XP/Vista/W7 and now, W8. To keep someone updated this means he/she needs to buy 4 Op.Systems to Microsof. That's a lot of money... and counting.
Not everybody play games and only professionals need photoshop.
Linux and open source software provide most tasks needed by average home users, for free ...and without the need of a powerful PC.
If Linux has 1% market share it only means that's the quota of smart PC users.




Hahaha, finnaly !
By greylica on 6/18/12, Rating: 0
This
By Argon18 on 6/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: This
By ShaolinSoccer on 6/18/2012 12:47:12 PM , Rating: 5
Linux is awesome but if you want to play the latest/greatest games, Windows is really your only choice...


RE: This
By jnemesh on 6/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: This
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/18/2012 1:18:17 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Microsoft is quickly becoming an anachronism...unneeded, unwanted, and unloved.

Okay that's a bit delusional...

Windows has 84+ percent of the global market share:
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-mar...
http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_sha...

Sounds really "unwanted", "unloved", right? /sarcasm


RE: This
By Bubbacub on 6/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: This
By Autisticgramma on 6/18/2012 5:30:47 PM , Rating: 4
Really!?

The xBox?

That's like building another box, to run you're nes emulator.

Next you'll be telling me you actually get work done on your Ipad.

-9 geek points. You get 1 for installing wine and using it.

Yes, for this PC fanboi it is the end of the world.

Gramma.


RE: This
By JediJeb on 6/18/2012 6:26:53 PM , Rating: 2
I use Linux Mint also, it is a very good distro I believe. If only the hardware manufacturers would get on board and write native drivers. I believe lack of high quality drivers which only the hardware manufacturers can write due to their closed system of proprietary coding for their firmware is what really keeps Linux from becoming a more serious competitor. MicroSoft got a taste of that when they released Vista without a full inventory of working drivers for the hardware it would be installed on. Heck my parents even bought a bundled HP system when Vista first came out and the printer was always having trouble with its driver. The average user just does not want to have to fool with tweaking to make something work as it should.

Linux is now stable enough to be used every day, and with the Mint distro you don't even worry about updates because it sends them down just like you get for Windows with their Auto Update. Plus it doesn't do things like auto reboot your system during the night like Windows can if it needs a restart for an update, Mint waits until you OK it to install the new updates.


RE: This
By leviathan05 on 6/18/2012 1:22:50 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Microsoft is quickly becoming an anachronism


to .1% of the population


RE: This
By elleehswon on 6/18/2012 3:31:35 PM , Rating: 1
Referring to enterprise use, not desktop.


RE: This
By steven975 on 6/18/2012 2:01:14 PM , Rating: 2
It's gaining some traction. The Ubuntu software center, for example, has made it so that HumbleBundle games can be installed easily. In Linux, even installing a flash player plugin isn't what I would call easy.

I can't wait for Steam to come on, and with that would almost certainly come Valve games. I'm sure it'll be mostly indies, but if iD allows SteamPlay on Linux for the versions of their games that had Linux support it'll catch on more.

The fact that I would have something to actually DO on Linux has made it so that I will use it semi-regularly. I used it on my PS3, but there was never really that much support, as almost nothing was out for PPC. I run it in VMWare Player on 7 x64 now.


RE: This
By tecknurd on 6/18/2012 4:33:05 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Linux is awesome but if you want to play the latest/greatest games, Windows is really your only choice...

The only reason why Windows provides support for games is the early on approach during Windows 95 days. Serria On-line and Microsoft worked together to develop an API for game developers that is easier than game developers writing their own API that kinda works in Windows. The project is named DirectX. Linux does not have a concrete API like DirectX. Linux have something similar, but there are separate projects that did not work or game developers did not like because project A did not have something that other projects had and the other projects did not have the project A has.


RE: This
By SPOOFE on 6/18/2012 6:18:06 PM , Rating: 5
The "only reason" is that Microsoft saw the writing on the wall and moved to take advantage of it, whereas the Linux platform still hasn't?

... That's something to brag about? Confused.


RE: This
By shiftypy on 6/19/2012 8:13:31 AM , Rating: 2
X11 is to this day dragging Linux down. If not for this backward compatibility outdated clusterf... Linux would be much more flexible for accepting new gaming interfaces. And have a better desktop performance


RE: This
By greylica on 6/18/2012 10:11:25 PM , Rating: 1
Why most of the Games are written for Windows ?
Only because of the Graphic card makers that limit their OpenGL performance or lack of command list (read bad drivers), not because of Linux...


RE: This
By ShieTar on 6/19/2012 3:23:42 AM , Rating: 2
I think you got that backwards, OpenGL was being dropped by the game developers a while before the graphics chip developers started ignoring it. I assume one reason for this was just the fact that DirectX offers more than just Direct3D, i.e. input methods and sound support.

Also, even before Win95 came out, there were significantly more games for DOS than for Linux. It's just because Linux started as a UNIX replace, so it was meant for scientific & engineering work, not primarily as a entertainment environment.


RE: This
By Jeffk464 on 6/19/2012 12:02:47 AM , Rating: 2
unfortunately gaming seems to be moving over to consules.


RE: This
By jRaskell on 6/19/2012 9:52:18 AM , Rating: 2
People have been saying that for decades.


RE: This
By gladiatorua on 6/19/2012 5:38:36 PM , Rating: 2
Fortunately consoles are old and unforgivably outdated. Graphics look horrible. And more people started to notice.
There is a movement back to PC.
Yeah, some people can't afford PC and are butthurt(I hope Apple fanboys did not patent this argument). And I don't mean $1k+ ones. Much cheaper ones can run circles around consoles even in terms of gaming.
And it looks like there will be no nextgen consoles for 2 years. So the gap will be even wider. More people will understand that they are paying more money for an inferior product when choosing consoles.


RE: This
By Belard on 6/19/2012 7:39:05 AM , Rating: 2
And what games are you talking about? AAA games goes to the consoles... other than WOW and a bunch of crappy MMO games, what is out there that is specifically PC? Games are made for console then ported to PC... with all the low-res textures to go with it.

Oh yeah, Rage was the last PC only game I can think off... how well did it do?

Oops, nevermind. Rage is available on MAC, 360 and PS3.

So other than MS-Office (which is on Mac and browser-365) and Adobe CS (also on Mac).... why the hell does anyone NEED MS-Windows for?

Write a letter to mom... nope. Look at photos, easy stuff. Listen to music... again, nothing special.


RE: This
By Boze on 6/19/2012 2:21:47 PM , Rating: 2
I'll switch to Linux when there's a native League of Legends client. Until then, Linux is still a joke OS as far as I'm concerned.

I don't care that it runs half the world's smartphones. I don't care that it runs servers and supercomputers. Until it fits the everyday consumer's needs, its still a joke.


RE: This
By JediJeb on 6/19/2012 2:53:09 PM , Rating: 2
What is League of Legends?

I'm an everyday consumer and Linux fits my needs, well except for the above listed program I never heard of.


RE: This
By Belard on 6/19/2012 3:19:39 PM , Rating: 2
What is League of Legends?

Linux already fits the everyday consumer needs. Its a multi-billion dollar business.


RE: This
By Boze on 6/19/2012 5:11:49 PM , Rating: 3
Why isn't the everyday consumer using it then?

Oh yeah, because Windows 7 is faster, easier, runs almost every piece of software out there on the market, is constantly being developed for, and has much better support.

Linux is a multi-billion dollar business in the server, scientific, and some niche areas of the academic world, and that's it.

Also, you've just illustrated exactly why gamers will never move to Linux. The largest MMO game on the planet, with more than twice the players of WOW, and you've never heard of it.

Keep on dreaming, bud. Same response to the guy who posted above this guy. Apple fans have unicorn dust, Linux fans have soldering dust. And you guys are both snorting it.


RE: This
By Ringold on 6/19/2012 6:42:24 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
So other than MS-Office (which is on Mac and browser-365) and Adobe CS (also on Mac).... why the hell does anyone NEED MS-Windows for?


What a tool. Yeah, asides from the top productivity software in the world and some AAA games and extremely popular MMO's that go to PC, Mac and consoles but not always linux, yeah, not missing a darn thing!

But hey, I can e-mail my mommy to ask whats for dinner from our basement just fine!


RE: This
By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2012 1:46:26 PM , Rating: 5
LMAO yes Linux, the OS for hippies! No evil corporations or quarterly profits man *hits bowl*

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154845/lazy-...


RE: This
By maugrimtr on 6/19/2012 8:35:42 AM , Rating: 2
FYI - My company makes quite a decent profit and contributing to OS (i.e. the tools/frameworks I use daily) is a large part of that. OS is built on the back of programmers investing their own time and sweat - being a hippie is hardly necessary.


RE: This
By stm1185 on 6/18/2012 2:01:48 PM , Rating: 2
The only version of linux that lives up to your fanboy ravings of "spread into so many different devices, machines, and industries." is Android, and Google is all about release schedules and quarterly profits.

In fact Google has made more out of Linux with Android in a few years with business in mind then sad sap Linus ever has or will.

And lol at "the pure power of creativity", how much did you smoke this morning?


RE: This
By Ringold on 6/18/2012 4:44:04 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
And lol at "the pure power of creativity", how much did you smoke this morning?


I know, right? Just compare the quality of vile, wicked, profit-driven corporate products and these wonderfully creative hippy ones. Office vs. OpenOffice/Libre Office. Photoshop vs. GIMP. Pidgin looks like its from 1999. The list goes on.

Not far off from a USSR vs. US comparison. Sure, the USSR had an analogue for everything the US had, but it was spartan and lacking asides from the occasional gem.


RE: This
By SPOOFE on 6/18/2012 6:20:06 PM , Rating: 3
OpenOffice is an alright word processor; though I haven't used its other features, I hear they're not nearly as good.

The GIMP has been a disappointment, though. After all this time I would've expected a lot more.


RE: This
By Jeffk464 on 6/19/2012 12:10:48 AM , Rating: 1
I use open office exclusively because I'm not a student or an office worker. Why pay big money for a program that I use only once in a while?


RE: This
By Belard on 6/19/2012 7:45:39 AM , Rating: 2
On your next upgrade... go to Libre Office.

Open Office is dead.


RE: This
By JediJeb on 6/19/2012 2:57:20 PM , Rating: 2
This is why I use Libre office. I can't justify spending hundreds of dollars for MS Office since it doesn't offer anything at all that I need over Libre office.


RE: This
By someguy123 on 6/18/2012 7:52:28 PM , Rating: 4
open/libre/gimp aren't better alternatives....they're simply usable, free alternatives.

I would love a true alternative to adobe's bloatware, but gimp isn't it, though sometimes someone implements something interesting that adobe eventually copies, like content aware fill.


RE: This
By JKflipflop98 on 6/18/2012 5:23:08 PM , Rating: 5
Honestly, Linux sucks. Anything it does, Windows does faster and easier.

Over 80% of Planet Earth uses Windows. Linux literally can't give their product away with <2% of the market.


RE: This
By SkullOne on 6/18/2012 6:03:27 PM , Rating: 3
Windows rules the world, but it certainly isn't the best at everything.


RE: This
By freeman70 on 6/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: This
By JackNSally on 6/19/2012 4:15:05 AM , Rating: 2
"Please pray tell, what does Windows do that is faster and easier?"

Uhh, gaming?

Gaming in linux: install wine, install game, hope game works.

Gaming in windows: install game, hope game works. If said game works the performance is the same or waaayyyy better than linux+wine (or cedega or gametree developer program).


RE: This
By Belard on 6/19/2012 7:50:13 AM , Rating: 2
Not all of my OLD games work on Windows7... 32 or 64bit.

And what NEW games are you talking about? Consoles own the games, what little that comes to PC... are console ports.

By all means, go to Walmart, Target, GameStop (or any real game shop) and check out the HUGE selection of AA+ titles games available for PC to the top 3 consoles.

Mario Galaxy is not for the PC... :P


RE: This
By Lugaidster on 6/19/2012 6:19:07 PM , Rating: 2
Talk to me the next time you can play Diablo, LoL, WoW or Starcraft II on a console.

Couldn't care less for that next CoD or BF3. But even then, BF3 for PC kicks the crap out of anything BF in a console. And let's not even start talking about controls. FPS shooting on a console is about as confortable as FPS shooting on a touchscreen.

Worst part of all of this is that these naysayers will never stop giving crap to PCs. It's about as sad as those saying that consoles are dying thanks to portable smartphones and tablets.

To you I say this, keyboard and mouse are not on a console and don't belong on the living room. As long as that's true, PC gamers will exist. As long as gamepads exist, tablets won't rule over consoles either.


RE: This
By Paj on 6/19/2012 7:34:04 AM , Rating: 2
You dont need to defrag Windows anymore.


RE: This
By Belard on 6/19/2012 7:48:24 AM , Rating: 2
Uh... unless you are using a SSD... Win7, Win8 will still be defragging... either manually or automaticly.


RE: This
By Ringold on 6/19/2012 6:50:30 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I ran handbrake to encode video on the same quad core dual boot system and it encoded it twice as fast.


Twice as fast? Not possible from just an OS switch, but nice try.

And congrats on that USB3 support, but last I heard god help you with wifi, as certain vendors are still hard to support. And you're stuffing your post like a teen girl stuffs her bra; you had to DL printer drivers? Probably not necessarily, but if you want to use a printers full functionality then yes, that's the case no matter the OS.


RE: This
By Jeffk464 on 6/18/2012 11:52:38 PM , Rating: 2
Well in his defense I do think the major players have fought to keep linux from taking off.


No surprise...Linux fanboys are typically douches...
By Arsynic on 6/18/12, Rating: -1
By FITCamaro on 6/18/2012 12:46:01 PM , Rating: 2
The only time I ever reboot Windows on my work laptop is when an update requires it. And even Linux can have to reboot for that.


By Guspaz on 6/18/2012 2:52:58 PM , Rating: 1
Technically not, you can even do kernel updates without rebooting via ksplice, but that's a commercial service owned by Oracle, so in practice, yeah, gotta reboot Linux.


By Chapbass on 6/18/2012 12:54:10 PM , Rating: 5
Douchebag count: +1!

Thanks for proving his point :\


By bah12 on 6/18/2012 1:12:55 PM , Rating: 3
Judging by the sarcastic tone toward MS in his post, it would be hard for one to take it as hyperbole.


By SPOOFE on 6/18/2012 1:22:51 PM , Rating: 2
It becomes very difficult to tell the difference between true fanaticism and a parody of that fanaticism.


By retrospooty on 6/18/2012 1:30:56 PM , Rating: 5
"If you don't understand how computers work, just stick to your cute little Microsoft ecosystem. Reboot twice each day and watch out for viruses"

Talk about proving the point that you are replying too... "Linux fanboys have an air of arrogance about them that's off-putting". Yup, nail on the head. Not only that, but the "windows" you are referring to is an 11 year old OS named WinXP. Give it a rest already. Win7 has been out for years already and is fast, stable, and safe, and unlike Linux, is compatible with the rest of planet Earth. Maybe you should educate yourself before posting asinine comments like that.


By retrospooty on 6/18/2012 1:46:39 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe somethings wrong with your machine. I manage over 400 of them at work and don't have any issues with updates, ever.


By Camikazi on 6/18/2012 2:14:13 PM , Rating: 2
Umm you are looking the wrong way there, it was an Apple update the screwed up your comp not a Windows one :)


By SPOOFE on 6/18/2012 6:25:52 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Secondly, if you think Windows is compatible with "the rest of planet earth", you have a very shallow understanding of computing.

Or maybe you don't understand this "sarcasm" thing as well as you thought you do.

The fact is that for most users, Windows' compatibility is ridiculously more expansive than Linux.

quote:
Windows is compatible only with itself. Nothing else.

Nothing else... except an incredibly robust range of hardware and software available for consumers and IT pros alike. Now who has a very shallow understanding of computing? Hint: His moniker begins with "A" and ends with "rgon18"!


By retrospooty on 6/19/2012 8:51:24 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly. Linux is cool and I love the concept but take Linux into the office and try to get some work done and the weakness shows. It's not that it isnt capable, but there isnt any enterprise software for it period.


By MarioJP on 6/18/2012 8:04:39 PM , Rating: 2
and 2 Windows does let you tinker stuff. You be surprise how much Knowledge MS puts out You can customize windows anyway you want before installing by using WAIK (Windows Automatic Installation Kit). clearly shows he's been out of touch lol.


By Arsynic on 6/18/2012 2:00:22 PM , Rating: 2
I have a B.S. in Computer Science, multiple professional certifications and have 10 years experience in IT. Yeah, I think I know a little bit about computers...

I work for a real company and most of our systems are Windows so I don't have the time to become a Linux expert. I can go to a MS discussion board, ask a question or bounce ideas off of other pros and I'm treated like a professional. On a Linux board, I'm just another dumbass "n00b" who dares to try and tread on holy ground with the gods.


By elleehswon on 6/18/2012 2:57:55 PM , Rating: 2
Members on linux forums assume you've already done some googling( otherwise you are wasting time). I've had nothing but positive experiences with them. Also, judging by you're posting how qualified you are to be on the internet before anything else, you're probably that douche.


By MrBlastman on 6/18/2012 4:40:49 PM , Rating: 2
I don't have a BS in CS, don't have any IT/Tech certs and yet somehow managed to run the whole technology end of a .com for four years. I self-taught myself lets see... Linux (various flavors), UNIX (Tru 64), Solaris, AIX and BSD including Kernel modification etc. I coincidentally first used the internet through a Solaris shell portal years ago before even the WWW became known as what it is now(lynx wasn't so bad back then :) Remember gopher?). I also taught myself to code in several languages on top of that in conjunction with coding systems automation/remote interaction/communication/AI Chaining/monitoring and more... and what little help I sought from the community... was readily given to me from highly intelligent individuals.

I never had a problem getting a question answered provided I asked it in an intelligent and thorough way. Maybe things have changed since then, I don't know, it has been almost a decade but not quite. Back then though, the Linux/Unix community was very helpful and compared with how it is now, things were /very/ cryptic back then.

With that said... Linux isn't necessarily better for everything. It is better for certain things. Linux/Unix/AIX/BSD etc. are extremely great at doing some niche things--and they do them very, very well for far more reasons than I care to delve into here. They aren't and have never been though, user-friendly. Ever. Even when X11 (X Windows) was becoming more popular, still, to the average schmoe things were a bit harder. Even after RPM came along things looked up but to your typical user, it was harder.

So, for certain things these OSs are awesome. For your average user who just wants to boot up a browser, download some pr0n and check sports scores... not so much. On portable devices though, Linus does have a point--if the user isn't expected to set things up or manage anything and just "use" the device, well, Linux absolutely could excel at it and on multiple platforms all at the same time. Linux is very good at minimizing resources and energy needed to do things on a small device. I purposefully bought my router at home for its hardware alone and nothing else... only to hack it immediately and throw Tomato USB on it.

For everything else though, there is Windows or Apple OS both with their assorted advantages and issues. They do the job for what they are made for every well, though (I'll admit I can't stand Apple's GUI one bit though and loathe the butcher job they did to BSD on the back end). Hence, I run Windows on my desktop.


By kmmatney on 6/18/2012 2:08:33 PM , Rating: 3
Exactly - anyone using an OS that they didn't compile themselves shouldn't be using a computer!


By kmmatney on 6/18/2012 2:11:58 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously I'm joking, but I have met people with that exact opinion...


By kleinma on 6/18/2012 2:55:11 PM , Rating: 1
Guess the OP is right, this certainly sounds like a douche wrote it to me... I bet you enjoy smelling your own farts don't you?


By Samus on 6/18/2012 3:44:26 PM , Rating: 2
Android, Apple OSX, most of iOS, all linux based.


By jwcalla on 6/18/2012 3:53:55 PM , Rating: 2
OS X and iOS don't using the Linux kernel at all. Those OSes are based on UNIX and BSD.


By dsx724 on 6/18/2012 12:58:10 PM , Rating: 2
They expect you to do the basic research yourself. Linux isn't for the light of heart. If all you want is a desktop GUI to do email, calendar etc etc, stick to windows/mac. If you are serious about development and system optimization, linux is the de-facto choice. Linux, distributions, and package managers make them really fast to deploy, maintain and use,for any type of role a computer needs. Yes the desktop is less refined but thats more of a hardware vendor problem than a Linux problem.


By bah12 on 6/18/2012 1:11:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes the desktop is less refined but thats more of a hardware vendor problem than a Linux problem.
Actually per the article seems that is a result of having a douchebag child spearheading your OS. He's lucky he has any hardware vendor support. If this is how he talks to his "best" hardware vendor imagine how he treats those that don't support him yet.


By Ringold on 6/18/2012 4:33:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Is that something a huge corporation like nvidia wants?


Yes. There's something called cost-benefit analysis. Nvidia looks at your market share, realizes its small and consists of lower end machines probably moreso then Windows and OSX ones, and makes the very simple calculation that supporting it would cost more then it is worth.

Look at AMD's approach lately, with enthusiasts second, OEMs first. Why? That's where the money is, and enthusiasts overall represent a much larger market then linux.

This is almost a symptom of immaturity. The world and its commercial markets dont revolve around you and your hobbyist desktop OS. If server farms needed it or other commercial interests did, and it would make them money, then they'd make the drivers. Simple.


By Guspaz on 6/18/2012 3:06:42 PM , Rating: 2
Well, you might want to qualify "nobody uses [Linux]", since it currently dominates the smartphone market with the largest marketshare, outpacing Apple or RIM. Google is up to almost one million new Linux-based phones activated per day now. And nVidia does provide one of the more popular lines of SoCs for those.

You're specifically referring to Linux on the desktop, and yes, in the grand scheme of things virtually nobody uses it. Linux is pretty dominant (or at least successful) everywhere but the desktop. It's dominant in the embedded market, the server market, the supercomputer market (virtually owns it), the smartphone market, the tablet market (not dominating, but successful), etc. It's just the desktop (and by that I include notebooks and ultrabooks) that Linux has utterly failed.


By elleehswon on 6/18/2012 6:08:10 PM , Rating: 2
beat me to it. I'd like to mention that fragmentation isn't an issue with linux as kernels and source are readily available. (run what you want if someone else compiled their own and you like the functionality or build your own kernel).


By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2012 6:21:24 PM , Rating: 2
If by beating you to it you mean repeating well-known bits of info, then yes, I suppose he did.

I stand by my post. It's obvious Linus is frustrated and why.

And calling Android "Linux" is like calling a pond the ocean.


By SPOOFE on 6/18/2012 6:30:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Google is up to almost one million new Linux-based phones activated per day now.

Attributable to Google, not Linux. If Linux were so great, it would have been doing great for a long time now, instead of suddenly rocketing ahead and outclassing its entire history of accomplishment in just a couple years.


By elleehswon on 6/19/2012 8:26:56 AM , Rating: 2
Linux has been doing great. It's design intention, originally, wasn't a replacement for a windows desktop. it was designed as an enterprise level replacement. It has filled that position quite well. also, linux is at the heart of many things from appliances(refrigerators, ovens, washing machines) to some 98% of the top 500 fastest supercomputers in the world. a good chunk of the internet runs off of linux. With ubuntu picking up pace, it's becoming much more of a viable desktop solution.(ubuntu is crazy easy to install/operate with no linux knowledge(and it's not nearly as succeptible to malware as windows machines are.))


By Reclaimer77 on 6/19/2012 1:21:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
linux is at the heart of many things from appliances(refrigerators, ovens, washing machines) to some 98% of the top 500 fastest supercomputers in the world.


That's really only because it's free. Not that it's some miraculous OS.


By elleehswon on 6/19/2012 3:56:41 PM , Rating: 2
Not free. Someone had to have written the modules, compiled, etc(speaking in regards to appliances). Linux is light and very adaptable. That's why its everywhere.


By kamiller422 on 6/18/2012 1:43:41 PM , Rating: 5
As someone who left Windows behind and went Ubuntu almost a year ago, I find your comments about Linux fanboys and arrogance to be incorrect. Ubuntu is a user friendly OS, and the Ubuntu forums have many helpful, friendly people.

In regards to nVidia, Linus is correct to a large extent. nVidia has given Linux users the finger for Optimus support. (Thanks to a community effort, Bumblebee does the job nVidia should be doing.) Currently, nVidia's latest drivers are causing havoc for many Linux distros using the X server, the UI engine. It's causing forced logoffs or to a lesser extent, crashes.

Linus' complaint is nVidia is profiting nicely from the Linux world via workstations and Android, while providing marginal driver support. This makes things difficult for developers of the OS nVidia is reaping rewards from.

nVidia, don't be a part of the problem. Be a part of the solution! Make your joining the Linux Foundation mean something.
https://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/030912-nvid...


By Camikazi on 6/18/2012 2:22:11 PM , Rating: 2
Ubuntu is not like the rest, it is as simplistic as it can be to make it simple for everyday users, so the forums will have those same everyday users on it so they expect it and are nicer. Go to another distros forum and it usually won't be the same, it will have those people who think that if you can't compile the kernel and every single program yourself then you are beneath them and not worth their time. That is what turned me off to Linux for a long time, I was new and I did read up but still needed some help and got nothing but rude replies and insults cause I was a n00b.

That is a major problem with Linux, a lot of the power users think they are elite for some reason and can't be bothered by new users turning those new users away or turning them into elitist snobs as well. Plus there is the problem of the thousands of distros that will confuse the ever living hell out of any ordinary person who wants to try Linux.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2012 2:28:55 PM , Rating: 1
That's the problem though. Ubuntu might be the best for general use, but even that's not ready for prime-time on anyone's desktop.


By kamiller422 on 6/18/2012 3:10:46 PM , Rating: 1
Ubuntu can be used for any situation you would like. Start with Ubuntu Server if you want to start with pre-configured server services.

How much time have you used Unity, especially in Ubuntu 12.04? Has certainly performed better on newbie tests vs. Windows 8. ("Where did the Start menu go?") My wife, far from a tech head, uses it on her notebook almost every day.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2012 6:41:04 PM , Rating: 2
This has been rehashed a million times. I really hope I live to see the day when everyone will just give it up and agree that Linux is dead on arrival for desktop use.

Actually I think I have lived to see that day. Desktop Linux usage remains at the same stagnant 1% it's been at. And if there was ever an opportunity to change this, Windows Vista was. But that didn't happen, it wasn't capitalized on.

Ubuntu has many fine points. It has truly transformed the Linux experience with it's sleekness and simplicity. It's just not enough, not nearly. Linux isn't the problem in of itself, the problem with Linux is the lack of content compared to Windows. And the culprit is the fragmentation, and the radical ideology of the open-source community.

Basically there ARE ways to make Linux mainstream and truly competitive with Windows and OS X, but the community is diametrically opposed to taking those steps.

Oh and I totally agree with you that Microsoft blew it with Windows 8 in a lot of ways.


By elleehswon on 6/19/2012 8:29:24 AM , Rating: 2
please explain how fragmentation is an issue for linux distributions. You keep mentioning it, though i see no reason why it is valid.


By dsx724 on 6/19/2012 11:07:45 AM , Rating: 2
Lack of content? Are you serious? It just goes to show your ill-conceived notions and lack of experience. The repos have so much more content for doing any which thing you want and are keystrokes away. I always find Windows slow and burdensome when it comes to setup and usage. You have to tediously crawl through the web to download drivers and applications.

Apple isn't the first to come up with an app store. They stole it from linux repositories and slapped a GUI on top.


By Boze on 6/19/2012 10:39:42 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah. Lack of content.

Can I run Adobe Photoshop on Linux? No.
Can I install Steam and play all my games? No.
Can I install Microsoft Office so I can maintain my custom Excel spreadsheets, heavily edited Word documents, and my PowerPoints? No.

Do I honestly need to go on?

I always find non-Windows OSes slow and burdensome when it comes to usage and actually getting my goddamn work done. You have to tediously crawl through shitty open source software that doesn't come close to its commercial competitors.


By elleehswon on 6/19/2012 11:25:30 PM , Rating: 2
funny, but i can run anything i run in windows, in linux. half the time, i'm not even using wine.


By dsx724 on 6/20/2012 2:15:49 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry I don't have an $1000 commercial photo editor installed on my machine. I do have GIMP which is free and includes 95% of the features.

I'm sorry I don't waste my entire life on video games and do more productive things with my times and don't hold an steam account with 1000 games that I bought on special for $2.99 that I never play. I do actually have a windows install specifically for the 2 games that I play once a month. Maybe I'm not hardcore enough of a gamer like 99% of the people on this planet.

I'm sorry that my documents don't have fancy decorations and my spread sheets only have pivots instead of an extensive library of macros that do anything I want. (GTFO and learn a programming language or SQL)

Oh and I'm terribly sorry I don't have to deal with Adobe Reader, Adobe Flash, Java update, Windows update constantly appearing on my screen without notice and interrupting the important work that I was doing to tell me that my computer needs to be restarted.

Honestly do I need to go on? or should I stop because I've swam in both pools extensively and know more about each individually than your comprehension windows? where as I'm speaking from experience and you're speaking from ignorance? The linux community isn't filled with ignorant people, it's filled with people tired of ignorant people.


By Boze on 6/20/2012 3:18:58 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for proving every Windows user's impression of a Linux user accurate.

quote:
my spread sheets only have pivots instead of an extensive library of macros that do anything I want. (GTFO and learn a programming language or SQL)


Microsoft's Office suite allows me to not have to learn another programming language on top of the JavaScript, C++, and HTML5 I already know, in order to do something with a damn spreadsheet.

All those updates you were talking about? They happen automatically for me everyday at 3:00 a.m. When I'm sound asleep in bed. I wake up and my computer is ready to use and updated.

I used Ubuntu for 2 years. I found myself constantly going back to Windows 7 to get my work done. Like I said in my above post.

Windows is superior, and will be, until you can convince developers to start writing actual useful software for it.

Linux also doesn't have a commercial grade video editor worth a damn, which I also need, which also integrates into Adobe Photoshop, so again, that I can get my work done.


By kamiller422 on 6/18/2012 3:06:16 PM , Rating: 1
Ubuntu is user friendly, which is not the same as simplistic. You can get as complicated as you want. It's still the ever capable Linux underneath the friendly smile.

Windows has its unfriendly users too. It depends on which forum you visit. If Ubuntu has the level of friendliness you seek, use Ubuntu.

There are sites to help choose your distro if you want to use something other than the popular Ubuntu. Try distrowatch.com.


By Camikazi on 6/18/2012 4:20:52 PM , Rating: 2
Website or no it is confusing for a normal person, some people get confused with the few versions of Windows there are ATM so the thousands of Linux distros will be so confusing it will turn them off right there. As much as Linux lovers will hate to hear it, in order for Linux to be much more widely used and accepted the number of distors needs to drop, it will never get passed experimentation and fanboy level with so much fragmentation.


By tecknurd on 6/18/2012 3:53:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It starts at the top. Linux fanboys have an air of arrogance about them that's off-putting. Ever tried to get help from a Linux discussion board? They talk to you in cryptic speech and treat you like an idiot when you ask for clarification.

Not all Linux fanboys are like what you said. When I helped people on a Linux discussion board, I simplified the answer. Since Linux has ambiguous problems, the simplified answer makes it too complicated. Eventually it turns into cryptic speech that requires research.

There are a lot of services in Linux that does not have any documentation. The only thing you can do is finding tidbits of information on the Internet or visit to your Linux User Groups.

Unfortunately, Linux is all about reading, reading, reading, and being your own technical support.


By The Raven on 6/18/2012 5:20:27 PM , Rating: 2
Very true. I am a Linux n00b and I have always (knock wood) gotten courteous and actually amazingly detailed help from people on Linux boards. However I have seen where people have run into people who are "less than courteous" to those seeking help. I would say that >75% of the time it is because the person "asking" for help starts out ranting that they have to do more than just a, b or c like they do on Windows.

Couple this with the fact that there are a lot fewer people sharing their share of the load with Linux. And these people are likely helping with other FOSS as well.

I like to picture in my mind that there are a bunch of freedom lovers (to use the term linux fanboy would be incorrect for the most part because it is about freedom and not one particular product or company) at the bottom of the tech world holding it up while the majority of the population is up on top partying with MS (Bartender) and Apple (Stripper). I'm not condoning and certainly not condemning Linus' words, but I totally understand why people on that side of the "world" get frustrated. I am one of them and hate it when people attack people like Linus who is like a freaking Paul Revere of the tech world. lol I may be overstating it, but I hope I conveyed my feeling.

And if someone doesn't like hearing Linus cuss then head back to the insulated inner workings of Apple and MS where they cuss all the time but you just aren't allowed to see their inner workings. Though I don't prefer him to swear, I certainly do not want to curb his enthusiasm. And regarding MS and NV?...they deserve every word that he said IMHO. Anyone is free to disagree.


bummer
By RazelDazel2 on 6/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: bummer
By RazelDazel2 on 6/19/2012 4:02:35 AM , Rating: 1
who is doing these ratings? i am sure you didn't like this.


Talk about a fanboy
By DFranch on 6/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: Talk about a fanboy
By euler007 on 6/18/2012 12:42:01 PM , Rating: 5
Your post defies logic.

Is Bill Gates a Microsoft fanboy?

Was George Steinbrenner a Yankees fanboy?

If Linus Torvalds can't support linux without being called a fanboy, there's a problem.


RE: Talk about a fanboy
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/18/2012 12:54:48 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Is Bill Gates a Microsoft fanboy?

How could you forget Steve Ballmer!?

"I LOVE THIS COMPANY! YEAAASSSS!!!" /wild scream

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc


RE: Talk about a fanboy
By MarioJP on 6/18/2012 7:46:38 PM , Rating: 3
Thats different. he was just being too enthusiastic vs F*** U Nvidia lol.


RE: Talk about a fanboy
By retrospooty on 6/18/2012 12:56:37 PM , Rating: 3
"If Linus Torvalds can't support linux without being called a fanboy, there's a problem."

Of course he should support Linux... I think he was more referring to the fact that he got all upset and started cussing up a storm. It's not at all professional and doesn't lend anything positive to his point. It just makes him come off childish. It's one thing for us anonymous clod's on the internet to get pissed off and cus people out, but someone at Linus's level doing it just shouldn't happen.


RE: Talk about a fanboy
By Uncle on 6/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: Talk about a fanboy
By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2012 1:41:20 PM , Rating: 2
Most of the world doesn't know who he or Linux even is. He didn't do ANYTHING to further his cause or get attention, besides maybe making himself feel better.

And nobody is saying cursing is "immature". It's about the CONTEXT of how he chose to express himself, and who he was cursing about.


RE: Talk about a fanboy
By Boze on 6/19/2012 10:28:21 PM , Rating: 2
You're right R77, but its more a shame on the media and the rest of the planet that everyone doesn't know who he is.

Everyone knows who Steve Jobs was. Everyone knows who Bill Gates is. Everyone should know who the man who made Android possible is.


RE: Talk about a fanboy
By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: Talk about a fanboy
By DFranch on 6/18/2012 3:53:31 PM , Rating: 2
I can't remember the last time Bill Gates stood on a podium and said FU to anybody (George Steinbrenner maybe, but George wasn't exactly a modern tech guru).

I didn't say he doesn't have the right to be a Linux fanboy. I'm just shocked that he's not more mature than that. Way to make friends and influence people.


RE: Talk about a fanboy
By ShaolinSoccer on 6/18/2012 12:43:35 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I guess Linus is just another linux/android fanboy who resorts to cussing to make a point. You'd think he would be more mature, how old is he?


You do know he's the guy that made Linux, right?


RE: Talk about a fanboy
By stm1185 on 6/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: Talk about a fanboy
By DFranch on 6/18/2012 3:57:17 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, I know. For that reason I expect him to conduct himself in a more professional manner. He shouldn't come off like a 13 year old who says FU because somebody else said their iPhone is better than his droid.


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