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Some units still available through resellers

Microsoft has been having a rough time with its fledgling Windows RT operating system. Devices using the tablet-centric operating system, have sold poorly since the operating system was introduced last year. The flagship tablet running the operating system from Microsoft, Surface RT, recently received a significant price cut in an effort to spur sales.

Another Windows RT licensee, Lenovo, recently removed the Yoga 11 hybrid tablet that runs Windows RT from its online lineup. Some analysts are seeing Lenovo's move as another sign that computer makers in general are beginning to abandon the Windows RT operating system

Lenovo posted a page on its website that said the Yoga 11 hybrid tablet is no longer available directly from Lenovo, but people interested in the device "may still buy this product from a Lenovo retailer or reseller."


Back in May, a version of the Yoga 11 tablet called the Yoga 11S running an Intel Core processor launched. That version of the tablet runs the full-blown Windows 8 operating system.

Analyst Jack Gold from J. Gold Associates said, "I think you’ll see most vendors of RT tablets move in the same direction as Lenovo. RT tablets have not been selling well at all."

"New Intel chips should help get the battery/power down so vendors can achieve parity with iPads and other ARM tablets," he continued.

Source: PC World





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How About Lowering the Prices First
By Arsynic on 7/18/2013 9:16:57 AM , Rating: 3
You know, just to see what happens.




RE: How About Lowering the Prices First
By jimbo2779 on 7/18/2013 10:03:50 AM , Rating: 5
I agree, I mean the RT was hardly ever a particularly compelling device but as the Windows store matures (as it clearly is) it does become more compelling.

If the prices of these devices were not in the realm of real notebooks they may have sold as the cheap tablets they should have always been. I think the worst offender was the Surface RT, how they though they could sell it for anywhere the price it released at is beyond me.

It always amazed me how the hardware in these RT devices was very similar to cheap android tablets and yet were selling for hundreds more than their competition with less in the way of usable apps, surely the only added cost was $30 for WinRT, take into consideration that Andy tablet makers have to pay royalties to non-Google companies (MS) for using Android and the $30 becomes less still. The premium was never warranted and they should just, as you said, try lowering the prices to what they are worth.


RE: How About Lowering the Prices First
By MaulBall789 on 7/18/2013 10:57:05 AM , Rating: 2
It's likely the profit margins on the RT tabs were already too low for Lenovo to want to move forward with them. With the market for tablets and smartphones getting more saturated they decided to focus on the full Win8 tabs and make better revenue there, and I can't say I blame them.


RE: How About Lowering the Prices First
By annabelle101 on 7/18/13, Rating: -1
By room200 on 7/18/2013 6:21:23 PM , Rating: 4
Your aunt's girlfriend is a slut.


RE: How About Lowering the Prices First
By name99 on 7/18/2013 2:06:08 PM , Rating: 2
You are trying to rationalize the situation here.

There are two ways to view the failure of this entire class of devices.
(a) people don't want win8 RT OR
(b) people don't want a device that is simultaneously a bad tablet and a bad laptop. They'd rather buy both a good laptop and a good tablet.

Personally I think both these statements are true (as evidenced by the lack of great enthusiasm for the x86 versions of these same devices).

But muddying the waters with claims about price are pointless, a way to avoid the truth. The PC market (broadly construed) is one of the most competitive on earth. If NO-ONE can make versions of these devices at prices people want to pay, then going on about how popular they would be at half the price is a waste of time.

The issue is not, has never been "what device would I imagine to be cool, assuming I didn't have to pay for it"; the issue is "what device, in the REAL WORLD, at REAL WORLD PRICES, do MOST PEOPLE want enough that they will pay for it".


By timothyd97402 on 7/18/2013 4:51:13 PM , Rating: 2
Well, you were close. I would say that so far, too many manufacturers are trying to sell hybrids, which frequently aren't very good tablets or laptops, rather than just putting out a great tablet. Even a great tablet at an aggressive price is a tough row to hoe. The Microsoft App Store is lame and the Windows RT user interface still needs work...


RE: How About Lowering the Prices First
By jimbo2779 on 7/19/2013 4:17:30 AM , Rating: 2
Most (maybe all) WinRT tablets are ARM based, are by no means high end ARM tablets and the only extra cost involved in making is the keyboard docks or laptop style cases that some bundle with.

I refuse to believe that a simple keyboard dock can add $100-$200 cost to the tablet. These devices will not sell at a price comparable to iPads even though they already come bundled with full Office.

Also its important to note that most of the worlds population is working as anti-MS propagandists, MS can literally do no good at the moment in the eyes of the public. Its like reverse Apple syndrome


RE: How About Lowering the Prices First
By rountad on 7/19/2013 12:43:59 PM , Rating: 2
I can't speak for everyone, but I WANT to like MS. They don't make it easy.

In a nutshell, they do what they want to do and try to move the market to them. This may work or not, but it leaves a bad taste in your mouth when you are forced into a course of action.

And it's everywhere with them, from Exchange Server to Windows 8 to XB One, etc...

They want to be like Apple, but they don't have the charisma.


By w8gaming on 7/19/2013 8:21:53 PM , Rating: 2
Apple did not succeed due to charisma alone. Their app store is well stocked when they launched iPad and it is the first device that was marketed to the public at this low price point. MS has tried tablet approach before, and it sold in thousands of dollars to the professional market. Apple simply has more market sense than Microsoft, which completely ignored the situation in their own app store, ignored the need of the tablet users (most tablet user care nothing about Office), ignored the market trend to switch to low cost $200 tablet, when they launched Surface RT and priced it at $499. It was exactly the same mistake HP and Blackberry made, which apparently decision makers in Microsoft failed to learn from.


WinRT will fail
By vision33r on 7/18/2013 2:11:02 PM , Rating: 3
It will fail because by designed it must sell at iPad price or above for mfg to profit.

The problem is Intel + Microsoft both charge high license and chip costs and that gets pass down to the consumer.

Compare to Android, Google charges net to nothing and ARM chips are dirt cheap.

You can get 10.1 Android tablets for $350 with similar specs to the WinRT current gen devices last year. No wonder these WinRT devices fails to impress or price competitive.

WinRT will never win this war as long as Android remains free.




RE: WinRT will fail
By Ammohunt on 7/18/2013 3:43:45 PM , Rating: 2
I agree; couple that with an inconsistent Microsoft fiefdom as compared to Apples's Homogenized environment.


RE: WinRT will fail
By jimbo2779 on 7/19/2013 4:24:20 AM , Rating: 2
Everything points to WinRT costing a similar price to Win8Pro so lets say its $30 (probably much cheaper in bulk) and that includes full Office. Android tablet/phone makers pay MS royalties in the region of $10 per device so the difference is $20. Also most of these RT devices have ARM chips in them as if they had Atom or above they would likely be running Win8Pro so the price differential is far more due to the manufacturer than anything to do with MS or Intel.

To shift these items now they should be pointing out the cool things in having full office in a cheap tablet, full web browser and email capability as well as all the cool games/apps in the appstore.

Obviously they don't have the amount of apps that their competition has but realistically the MS app store has most things the huge majority will want and they need to show this otherwise nobody will ever want one.

I probably would have bought one as a toy device had the price not been the same or higher than an iPad with generally better build quality and hardware specs and massive app store for a similar price.


RT sailing to the history bin.
By jmarchel on 7/19/2013 7:20:34 PM , Rating: 2
Windows RT is facing the music. It's Chopin's Sonata #2. As I predicted months ago RT will be first. The Pro will be next. It will just take a little while longer. Microsoft just doesn't get the tablet and is too blinded by get rich quick scheme. What Apple can get away with will never work for Microsoft. Google understood it. Despite popular belief tablet is not a complete PC replacement but a different device with different customer taste and needs. The Metro strategy will only hurt PC sales but will not break Google - Apple duopoly on the mobile market. Microsoft just lacks the know how.




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