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Lenovo IdeaCenter K210  (Source: Lenovo)
New Lenovo IdeaCenter K210 desktop comptuer is aimed at consumers

Lenovo is known outside of China for its business-oriented laptop and desktop computer systems. Inside China, however, Lenovo has been selling consumer-oriented systems as well as business systems for a while. Today Lenovo has announced its first consumer aimed desktop computer for markets other than China.

The desktop is called the IdeaCenter K210 and has some interesting features not found on other desktop computers at this time. One of the unique features is Bright Vision capability. This feature can automatically adjust the brightness of the display depending on how far from the screen the user is for ideal visibility and less eye strain.

The keyboard of a shared computer can be one of the biggest sources of germs in a home. The K210 features an antibacterial keyboard that helps to avoid the spread of germs. Lenovo also uses VeriFace facial recognition technology in the K210, which allows the user to log in to the system without typing or swiping a finger. An attached webcam recognizes the users face and logs in to the system.

The K210 is available in several different configurations with CPUs up to Intel Core 2 Quad, the OS is Windows Vista, standard graphics come via the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100, and storage is up to 500 GB.

The system can be optioned with up to 4GB of RAM and all K210’s feature a 16-in-1 media reader -- a Blu-ray drive is optional. Gamers can opt to upgrade graphics to ATI Radeon 2600 XT, not that that card will actually do much gaming. The base price for the K210 is $379 after a mail-in rebate.

Lenovo also has a pair of LCDs intended to be paired with the K210. The 19-inch L195W retails for $229 and a 22-inch L222W is priced at $299. Both LCD prices are after mail-in rebates.

Lenovo’s most recent offering was the 11.1-inch U110 ultra-portable notebook, which DailyTech covered in April of 2008.

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Vista lockdown
By Screwballl on 6/30/08, Rating: 0
RE: Vista lockdown
By Screwballl on 6/30/2008 12:03:30 PM , Rating: 1
small edit I forgot to add...
this may be fine for some people, but for the rest of us that may want to keep XP or use linux, better to build our own or buy another non-locked OEM system.

RE: Vista lockdown
By RjBass on 6/30/2008 12:19:26 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting, up untill just today I have been purchasing Lenovo laptops for my customers with XP Pro installed from Lenovo. Of course the customers had to pay a bit more, but for those still wanting XP Pro it was worth it.

Now I have to wonder why you can't install another OS on a new Lenovo (as of today) as I have been able to get most Lenovos to install just about any OS I have wanted to put on them minus OSX. I am thinking you just need a bit more practice at driver searching sir.

RE: Vista lockdown
By Screwballl on 7/1/2008 11:29:34 AM , Rating: 2
installed from Lenovo

The very heart of the matter right there... installed from Lenovo. Older systems or modified systems from Lenovo WILL allow other OS to be installed if you opt for the XP upgrade, which means they remove the lockout. Get a Vista only machine and you are locked down.

RE: Vista lockdown
By Penti on 6/30/2008 12:23:08 PM , Rating: 2
Why don't you just buy one with Vista business (or Ultimate) and downgrade to Xp? It's really the only way of running XP legal except buying a retail license anyway.

RE: Vista lockdown
By strikeback03 on 6/30/2008 12:56:43 PM , Rating: 2
This a BIOS issue? Or just a matter of replacing the hard drive?

RE: Vista lockdown
By lagitup on 6/30/2008 1:50:30 PM , Rating: 5
I think its more of a user failure than anything else...

RE: Vista lockdown
By borismkv on 6/30/2008 8:16:18 PM , Rating: 3
I'm guessing one of those fabled ID10T errors.

RE: Vista lockdown
By Screwballl on 7/1/08, Rating: 0
RE: Vista lockdown
By TomZ on 6/30/2008 2:13:38 PM , Rating: 2
no Linux, no XP, nothing but the Vista OS that came with the system

That seems like an idiotic statement - how could they prevent you from loading a different OS? Any Vista-capable machine should run XP or Linux just fine.

RE: Vista lockdown
By stmok on 6/30/2008 5:37:36 PM , Rating: 2
They're talking about the OS being bundled (pre-installed) with the system.

There is no option offered for OSs other than Vista. (eg: WinXP or SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED)). SLED is used in some ThinkPads as an alternative, so there's some sort of tech support infrastructure there.

If it was like ASUS's EeePC, MSI's WindPC, HP's MiniNote, etc that offered Linux, WinXP or Vista as options, then the original post won't complain about it.

The point is this: people are being "encouraged" into something they may not necessarily want.

RE: Vista lockdown
By LordNorthmore on 6/30/2008 7:39:34 PM , Rating: 2
... it will prevent anything else from even installing. You will be locked into Vista.

He flat out stated that you can't install another operating system. I don't know if my experience is a fluke or because the C200 and N100 are so similar, but my sister got a 3000 C200 which comes loaded with Vista Home Premium and I, at her request, formatted the disk and installed XP (can't remember if it was Home or Pro... something I had lying around) on it successfully with approved drivers downloaded from the Lenovo website.

I don't have any other experience doing this on Lenovo machines, but since you said that you're in the business market and my sister purchased from their consumer line they might have different lock down standards on your systems than what I dealt with (which was none).

RE: Vista lockdown
By Samus on 6/30/2008 8:25:24 PM , Rating: 2
I've retrofitted a dozen Lenovo ThinkCenter M57's with XP Professional from their out-of-the-box Vista Business installation flawlessly.

You put in an XP CD, and use the Vista Business product key.

Lenovo offers XP drivers for all their systems, INCLUDING the K210:


RE: Vista lockdown
By Screwballl on 7/1/2008 11:48:46 AM , Rating: 1
This is a hard coded BIOS lockdown. Only if you contact Lenovo, you can send the machine to them so they flash the BIOS with the unlocked version, but they refuse to send it out via email. But this becomes cost prohibitive on large numbers of computers.
It all depends on the system and the lines of the purchase. If you do not specify the need to use anything but Vista on business-class machines then they send most of them locked down. If you DO specify that the systems will be run with XP or linux when they arrive, each system will have the unlocked BIOS which is likely why you got it to work flawlessly and also why they offer the drivers on their website.

Also remember that you can order consumer line systems (no lockdown) with Vista business... then install XP without a problem.

RE: Vista lockdown
By borismkv on 6/30/2008 8:15:22 PM , Rating: 3
That's just complete BS. The company I work for brings in nothing but Lenovo laptops, and every one of them works just fine with XP Pro.

GMA X3100
By rudolphna on 6/30/2008 11:35:13 AM , Rating: 3
For an otherwise great PC, the Intel GMA Graphics are kind of a dealbreaker. But i guess at $70-$80 the Radeon 2600XT or 3650 isnt a bad deal to stick in there. :) The Veriface thing is really cool, if it really works.

RE: GMA X3100
By rudolphna on 6/30/2008 11:38:28 AM , Rating: 2
Oh im sorry.. You can upgrade. Hey shane, have you ever owned a 2600XT? I bet not. I do, and am using it right now. It has great performance for its price (mine awas $70) It plays WoW, FEAR, Bioshock, Crysis(yes crysis) and oblivion, at decent settings. everything but Crysis i can run at 1280x1024 with high settings. I wish people would stop bashing AMD for the sake of it. For a gamer on a budget, the 2600XT is a fantastic card.

RE: GMA X3100
By ajfink on 6/30/2008 11:55:44 AM , Rating: 3
No one is bashing AMD for the sake of it.

The 2600XT simply isn't very powerful compared to the tons of far more powerful sub-$150 cards out there, even others from AMD.

Yes, it can run many games at midrange settings, allows for hardware acceleration of video, etc., so it is a useful card, but it's not exactly a gamer's first choice.

RE: GMA X3100
By murphyslabrat on 6/30/2008 11:56:24 AM , Rating: 4
I wish people would stop bashing AMD for the sake of it.

I wish people would stop defending AMD when no one is assaulting them. The 2600 xt is a crappy card, just like the 3650, and 8600GT. They can play games, which means you can play with friends. I would be happy with a 2600XT in a laptop, but it it's a desktop there is no excuse to not pay a little more for a decent card.

Yes, you can game on a 2600XT, and they are pretty cheap. For upgrading a computer, it makes sense. However, with the total purchase price of around $600, why not pay 13% more to get a decent card?

RE: GMA X3100
By rudolphna on 6/30/2008 12:01:52 PM , Rating: 2
yeah, thats exactly what i did. I was on a budget. I must be paranoid, i apologize. I run a 3 year old gateway, with a 3Ghz Pentium 4 Prescott. I had a geforce 6600GT (can anyone say crappy for gaming?) and i needed something with a lot more kick. So i spent the money, and got a Sapphire 2600XT 512. Runs great. For most hard core gamers, a 2600xt will not do. but most of those people will be building their own systems anyway. For the vast majority of the population, a 2600XT will be more than sufficient. Especially when you think about the fact that many "higher end" PCs from Best buy come with a 2400pro or a geforce 8400gs.

RE: GMA X3100
By Chaser on 6/30/2008 1:21:56 PM , Rating: 3
A 2600XT is at the top end of the lower end. Sorry. "better than adequate" would be more than accurate.

It might be very suitable for the "vast majority of people" that just buy a computer but don't research video performance. But you don't have to be a "hard core gamer" to get a much better value, especially today.

Facial Recognition?
By StraightPipe on 6/30/2008 12:29:33 PM , Rating: 5
Can I just print out a 8.5"x11" photo of the administrator and use it to login?

RE: Facial Recognition?
By SilthDraeth on 6/30/2008 1:38:39 PM , Rating: 2
Probably. Assuming the Administrator uses his mug to log in.

RE: Facial Recognition?
By lagitup on 6/30/2008 1:53:37 PM , Rating: 2
I have facial recognition on my asus laptop and its really crappy...have to register my face in all the places i want to use facial login because its so dependent on lighting. Not that that would be a problem on a desktop, but it would kind of rain on your printing out a picture parade.

You could always do what they did in the Da Vinci Code (or was it angels and demons?) and kill the admin for his face...

RE: Facial Recognition?
By stmok on 6/30/2008 5:21:26 PM , Rating: 2
That will not work. The software is made quite well, and it will identify a photo vs a real face.

Hell, if you grab a photo, cut out the eyeholes and face the camera, the software will know.

I've tried it with a relative's IdeaPad. (has the same software).

Another feature it will do, is take a picture of the person who tried (and failed) to access your system.

I guess the only way around it is to get a professional makeup person who's very experienced in prosthetic makeup, etc.

New login error
By amanojaku on 6/30/2008 1:01:08 PM , Rating: 5
Lenovo also uses VeriFace facial recognition technology in the K210, which allows the user to log in to the system without typing or swiping a finger.

Invalid username or unrecognizable face. Please loose weight and try again.

RE: New login error
By dickeywang on 6/30/2008 1:29:35 PM , Rating: 3
<scan> Invalid username or unrecognizable face. Please loose weight and try again.

LOL, man you have made my day. :D

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