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Ferrari looks to take on Porsche, McLaren

It looks like the hybrid supercar wars are on, and Ferrari has fired the latest shot. Porsche revealed the 918 Spyder, McLaren went official with the P1, and now Ferrari has the… LaFerrari.
 
The LaFerrari is the successor to the Enzo and brings with it an 800hp V12 engine that revs to an eye popping 9,000 rpm. Its peak torque of 516 lb-ft is reached at a "lower" 6,750 rpm. In addition to the V12 monster behind the driver, the LaFerrari also features a 163hp (199 lb-ft) electric motor.
 
With all of this power on tap, Ferrari says that the LaFerrari can scoot to 60 mph in less than three seconds and hit 124 mph in under seven seconds. The LaFerrari will keep on accelerating at an astonishing rate (186 mph in 15 seconds) until it reaches a top speed of 217 mph.

 
Not much else is known about this crazy hybrid other than the fact that is has 41/59 (front/rear) weight distribution, 19" wheels up front, and 20" wheels in the back.
 
As we get more info on the LaFerrari, we'll keep you posted.




 

Source: World Car Fans



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"Hybrid" misnomer
By Reclaimer77 on 3/5/2013 9:56:40 AM , Rating: 3
Does it bother anyone else that "hybrid" is being used to describe these systems? Obviously the goal here isn't fuel economy, far from it. They are far more akin to F1 "KERS" systems than hybrid tech.

Just a pet peeve I guess...




RE: "Hybrid" misnomer
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/5/2013 9:59:54 AM , Rating: 2
I was under the impression that these "hybrid" systems don't just give a temporary boost of speed. If you watch the video, the LaFerrari appears to have a pretty beefy battery under the passenger cell.

In addition, both the 918 Spyder and McLaren P1 are able to drive on battery-only power for 5 to 10 miles. I don't think KERS systems can do that, although I could be wrong.


RE: "Hybrid" misnomer
By messele on 3/6/2013 2:18:22 AM , Rating: 2
Your suspicions are correct. Anybody who follows F1 will know that the electric motor in a KERS system transmits power directly through the crank shaft and is therefore simply a supplementary boost for the Engine.

In any F1 car kiinetic energy is harvested through the braking system alone and that energy is used to charge the batteries.

In this road-going Ferrari energy is also collected from braking but also from occasions when the engine has excess torque that needs to be tempered. In this instance the generator partly engages and uses that 'spare' energy to charge the batteries.

The electric motor is most usefully employed at low engine revs but cannot power the car alone, the engine must be running.


RE: "Hybrid" misnomer
By BurnItDwn on 3/5/2013 10:00:28 AM , Rating: 2
Hybrid is technically correct here. It refers to the combination multiple power sources, electric and petrol and it helps the car to accelerate faster.


RE: "Hybrid" misnomer
By Bubbacub on 3/5/2013 12:17:57 PM , Rating: 3
hybrid doesnt mean that it is a fuel sipping crate on pram wheels.

it just means that there is a regenerative braking system

the actual reason for all these stupid hybrid supercars is to get around upcoming EU regulation saying that the average co2 production of the 'entire range' of each manufacturer must be below a certain arbritrary figure.

this isnt a problem for ford, bmw. mercedes etc. it is however a huge problem for the likes of ferrari, aston marton and porsche - the solution - hybrid systems with automatic boxes - they will fly through the co2 measuring system (on battery power). aston martin have resorted to rebranding a toyota aygo and selling a small car with a lawnmower engine - the aston martin cygnet. to prevent ordinary folk from being able to buy it, it is three times the price of a normal aygo and only avilable for purchase after you buy a proper aston martin ;-)


RE: "Hybrid" misnomer
By Reclaimer77 on 3/5/13, Rating: -1
RE: "Hybrid" misnomer
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/5/2013 8:05:21 PM , Rating: 2
Ferbrid


RE: "Hybrid" misnomer
By JediJeb on 3/5/2013 9:04:41 PM , Rating: 2
Hyrerri


RE: "Hybrid" misnomer
By yomamafor1 on 3/6/2013 5:47:34 PM , Rating: 1
That's odd, because when I hear hybrid, I think of Porsche 918 Spyder.

Maybe its just you and your prejudice.


RE: "Hybrid" misnomer
By messele on 3/7/2013 10:29:04 AM , Rating: 2
That's weird cos when I hear the word "Hybrid" I think of Barrack Obama or a Liger.

Now I'm thinking of Barack Obama riding into battle on the back of a Liger.

Awesomeness.


By Crazyeyeskillah on 3/5/2013 9:13:51 AM , Rating: 1
Looks like their best effort yet, I'd like to see how they tie everything together with the hybrid systems (as if they are even warranted on this class of car?)




By Mint on 3/5/2013 9:36:38 AM , Rating: 3
The electric motor makes more sense for a turbo engine car because it makes up for any lag, but most Tesla reviewers say that the the instant response is significant over even naturally aspirated cars, so I guess that's a reason.

I wonder if Ferrari is going to have the electric motor drive the front wheels. The had a really wacky AWD system in the FF, so electric FWD and gas RWD is a real possibility.

I do like that high performance car makers are paying more attention to electric motors, as it'll help high power motors be produced more efficiently. They can approach 5kW/kg, i.e. a 400 hp motor may weigh under 150lbs, and induction motors don't need any rare earths either.


By Crazyeyeskillah on 3/5/2013 9:57:16 AM , Rating: 2
I also want to point out that they keep the visual tech at a conservative minimum for this class of vehicle, no centralized Touchscreen, instead a very pronounced P***y magnet takes it's place. But they do appear to have a very interesting display screen for the actual speeds and monitoring, I wonder what type of tech/panels they use for these? It would probably have to be a custom size/cut for this car.


By theapparition on 3/5/2013 2:40:39 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The electric motor makes more sense for a turbo engine car because it makes up for any lag, but most Tesla reviewers say that the the instant response is significant over even naturally aspirated cars, so I guess that's a reason.

The valvetrain requirements of a typical NA engine change as the RPMs do. The camshaft profile for lower RPM power is quite a bit different than trying to make power at higher RPM.

For example, in the small block V8 world, many people change to a different cam. The more aggressive the cam, the worse the engine performs at low RPM. More power at the top end, but very choppy and laggy at the low end, even when still normally aspirated.

To solve this, some makers use VVT employing several lobe profiles, or even just cam degree'ing.

But, having a low end assist in the form of an electric motor leaves the engine designer to only concentrate on the top end. That's one of the reasons why you see this Ferrari hitting 9000RPM. You don't have to worry about low RPM performance anymore.


By Mint on 3/5/2013 10:22:15 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting. That makes sense.


By johnsmith9875 on 3/6/2013 11:41:22 PM , Rating: 2
Think of the possibilities with electric motors at all 4 wheels. Computers can control all aspects of the drive, making cornering and acceleration a very simple task, no more feathering the throttle to keep from breaking your tyres free, no guessing trying to keep the car from oversteering.


By madtruths on 3/9/2013 1:55:00 PM , Rating: 2
While I understand the sentiment, I think its lame lol. I still prefer to pride myself on actually being able to DRIVE. Having a computer do anything for you kind of takes away from the sport side of things. I dont even like traction control, so I'm kind of a nut I guess. IMO, most people are already horrible drivers, no need to give them less to pay attention to. You know after people get used to it, they will just get careless...


"E" for effort
By Beenthere on 3/5/13, Rating: 0
RE: "E" for effort
By Spuke on 3/5/2013 11:31:49 AM , Rating: 2
When you can afford this kind of car, where it's maintained is irrelevant. These aren't daily drivers. Their owners likely have 15 other cars.


RE: "E" for effort
By theapparition on 3/5/2013 12:50:01 PM , Rating: 2
Yes and no.

What has kept me from Ferrari in the past was the obscene maintenance requirements. One weekend of racing is going to cost me about $10k in brakes alone, not to mention the mandatory (if you want to keep warranty intact) engine tear downs.

Quite simply, they were at b|tch to maintain. New models actually have less service intervals, so that's a plus.

For the guys who buy one to stick in their garage, then yes, not a big deal. But for those of us who actually want to drive them, then it's a HUGE issue.


RE: "E" for effort
By Spuke on 3/5/2013 7:33:33 PM , Rating: 2
I hear this from others too but a car like this isn't generally driven a lot to worry about maintenance costs. Personally, I'd drive the piss out of it if it were mine but I'm weird like that.


RE: "E" for effort
By drlumen on 3/5/2013 1:14:51 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly. This one, including the others, will likely be garage queens being driven once in a blue moon.

I know I will take flak for this but I just don't understand the obsession with Ferrari's.


RE: "E" for effort
By Skywalker123 on 3/6/2013 5:10:04 AM , Rating: 2
This auto isnt aimed at a poorass dumb fooker like u, stay with your Honda


That video...
By Iketh on 3/5/2013 12:46:27 PM , Rating: 3
That video is horrendous. Fire the PR nut that produced it. No talent whatsoever.




RE: That video...
By Totally on 3/6/2013 4:34:21 PM , Rating: 2
It's not like they even needed the PR, since all 499 laFerraris scheduled to be built were sold before Ferrari debuted it. The purpose of the vid was probably to give the owners a glimpse of what they paid for.


Wow
By mars2k on 3/5/2013 9:45:31 AM , Rating: 2
Just what I need to get to the 7 Eleven. Way cool with or without the electrics




It's gonna...
By msheredy on 3/5/2013 11:47:06 AM , Rating: 2
...take me a while to start thinking about liking the this car. Wasn't ever really a fan of the Enzo either but it eventually grew on me. Now the F40 and the 388 GTO are amazing machines from Maranello.




Top Gear UK
By hiscross on 3/5/2013 4:27:39 PM , Rating: 2
I'd like to see the UK test this one.




I looove...
By MrBlastman on 3/5/2013 4:58:38 PM , Rating: 2
The 80's steering wheel. Awesome! I want one.




blah,blah
By dastruch on 3/5/2013 9:39:48 PM , Rating: 2
Super Veyron for me.




Oh WOW! Hello McLaren!
By inperfectdarkness on 3/6/2013 2:42:35 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously, all I can see is McLaren inspired side profile & front-end. Of course that makes it look better than the Enzo.




By heerohawwah on 3/6/2013 8:15:02 PM , Rating: 2
Is it just me or does Top Gear make better promo videos than the car manufactures....




I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By theapparition on 3/5/13, Rating: -1
RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By NullSubroutine on 3/5/2013 10:05:44 AM , Rating: 5
Yeah, really slumming it. I know how you feel 100%. I've been trying to upgrade my fleet of Intergalactic MkIII star ships to the new MkIV, but the never ending hurdles of Federation politics has made it nigh but impossible. I was really looking forward to making the Kessel run in under 5 parsecs, but it appears I'm just gonna have to slum it with 7.


By Amiga500 on 3/5/2013 11:24:47 AM , Rating: 4
Upgrade them yourself.

Mine doesn't look like much, but I've made a few special modifications myself... It'll make .5 past lightspeed.


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By bug77 on 3/5/2013 12:23:25 PM , Rating: 2
Now if only the parsec wasn't measuring distance instead of time...

PS: I'm so smart!


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By NullSubroutine on 3/5/2013 12:30:40 PM , Rating: 2
You know, it sort of ruins the joke when I have to explain it. What I said was the equilvent of saying doing the 1/4 mile (Kessel run) in under 5 seconds (parsecs) instead of 7 seconds (parsecs). It is entirely correct as written and you...nevermind...


By Mitch101 on 3/5/2013 12:39:51 PM , Rating: 2
Get off your Taun Tauns and fight like Jedi. Batha Fodder I tell you.


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By ppardee on 3/5/2013 5:30:04 PM , Rating: 3
Listen here, you scruffy nerf herder, Lucas explained away the quote by saying the Kessel Run was a treacherous stretch of space and Solo did indeed mean 'parsecs' in that he did it in a shorter distance (tighter curves, came closer to the black holes/gravity wells/giant space sarlacc/what-have-you)

PS: I'm so geek!


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By Reclaimer77 on 3/5/2013 5:54:34 PM , Rating: 2
Who's scruffy lookin!?


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By JediJeb on 3/5/2013 8:55:17 PM , Rating: 2
I've got a bad feeling about this!


By johnsmith9875 on 3/6/2013 11:43:32 PM , Rating: 2
And that's no moon....


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By johnnycanadian on 3/5/2013 10:40:56 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah ... you've really been looking. What was that Ferrari model you were checking out? The "456"? Funny that, it's the >> 458 << Italia, the "45" referring to the engine displacement (4.5L) and the "8" indicating that it's a V8.

Kindly keep your fantasies to yourself.


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By theapparition on 3/5/2013 12:00:27 PM , Rating: 1
No tolerance for autocorrect, huh. Don't know why that happened but yes, it's a 458.

Believe what you want. I really don't care and have nothing to prove to you.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/5/2013 12:11:44 PM , Rating: 2
I honestly thought you were talking about the Ferrari 456 (the old 90s model) myself. That seems like a more "attainable" Ferrari for most people here on DT.

I doubt that many DT'ers can afford a $230k Italia ;)


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By theapparition on 3/5/13, Rating: 0
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/5/2013 1:39:57 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not saying that YOU couldn't afford it. I'm just saying that when I saw "456", that seemed like a much more "manageable" purchase for a typical DT'er since they can be had for sub $70,000.


By topkill on 3/5/2013 2:42:17 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, when I saw you put the "456" instead of "458", I just assumed it was a typo.

Nothing more irritable than grammar Nazi's while you're trying to have a discussion. LOL

By the way, Car and Driver did their annual "Lightning Lap" this month and the 458 came in just barely behind the Mosler...very impressive.


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By inighthawki on 3/5/2013 3:45:45 PM , Rating: 2
I'm betting more people simply don't like the show-offy attitude of people who buy cars like this. For the same reason that someone coming in and talking about upgrading their water cooled 3nd place world record OC'd i7, quad-SLI GTX 680's to a slightly faster OC'd i7, and quad SLI GTX titans because it's not fast enough would also probably receive negative criticism (and slight doubt by many as to the truthfulness of the statement).


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By Spuke on 3/5/2013 7:28:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm betting more people simply don't like the show-offy attitude of people who buy cars like this.
What was "show-offy" about what he said? I really wanted to know more about the possible purchase and maybe some other cars he was considering. Not often I get to talk to someone who's in the market for this kind of car. Makes for an interesting conversation IMO. Better than listening to a bunch of losers which, quite frankly, all sound the same to me.


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By inighthawki on 3/5/2013 8:18:16 PM , Rating: 2
Whether or not this was his intention, it's very difficult to talk about "contemplating buying a $1.3 million car" so casually without sounding like you're showing off.


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By Spuke on 3/6/2013 9:40:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Whether or not this was his intention, it's very difficult to talk about "contemplating buying a $1.3 million car" so casually without sounding like you're showing off.
Maybe if you have self esteem issues it might but I don't see it that way at all. I found it refreshing until the anal police showed up. Maybe some other potential owners would've posted too and we could've had an interesting conversation for once. But noooo the losers came in and quickly squashed all that. No wonder these people only hang out with themselves.


By madtruths on 3/9/2013 2:14:00 PM , Rating: 2
I'm with Spuke, I think that would be a good conversation. Apparition, what kind of engineering business do you have?(field wise) I'm going to guess your a mech. engr?


By JediJeb on 3/5/2013 9:00:58 PM , Rating: 2
Darn, I was looking to see a nice custom Offenhauser intake manifold when he said show offy.


RE: I've been looking at buying a Ferrari
By theapparition on 3/6/2013 10:08:04 AM , Rating: 2
I appreciate that. But others are correct. Know your audience. DT is a mix of people, but most are younger techies. When the discussion on cell phones degenerates into an argument over a $600 costing too much, me looking for a 1/4mil car does seem out of place. I get it.

We've had automotive discussions before and I know you appreciate the hobby.

Honestly I was considering the 458 and the McLaren MP4. Both are similarly priced. I've driven the 458, but not the McLaren yet. The Gallardo is in the same price range, but I didn't like it as much as the 458.

But I was way wrong on the LaFerrari. My first info was from a salesman at Ferrari NA who insisted it would be in the $500k range. Now that it's rumored to be over 1mil, that puts me out of the market. Not that I could have gotten my hands on one anyway. Rumor is that they are going to pull another page from the F50 debacle and only offer this car to existing Enzo owners, and only with a lease and non-competition clause.


By Spuke on 3/6/2013 3:35:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I appreciate that. But others are correct. Know your audience. DT is a mix of people, but most are younger techies. When the discussion on cell phones degenerates into an argument over a $600 costing too much, me looking for a 1/4mil car does seem out of place. I get it.
I don't find it out of place, the article is about Ferrari's next top car. I do understand what you're saying though, I just find it annoying.

quote:
Honestly I was considering the 458 and the McLaren MP4. Both are similarly priced. I've driven the 458, but not the McLaren yet.
I haven't driven a Lambo or Ferrari before. They're both way out my price range. Thought about doing one of those driving tour deals just so I could get some seat time. That McLaren sounds very interesting from the videos and articles I've seen on it. Plus it's turbo'd and I love turbo's! I did consider a used Maserati once but I'd have to do most of my own maintenance to make that happen (well to make it happen with the wife:) ) and I really wanted the Cambiocorsa tranny but I was told clutch jobs are in the $3-5k range. No thanks. Could've settled for the standard 6 speed with WAY lower maintenance costs. My latest fascination is a 3.8L 911 swap in a Boxster. This will more than likely happen although it will be a couple of years before I have the space to do that.


By NullSubroutine on 3/5/2013 5:58:20 PM , Rating: 2
I'll trade you one of my MkIII's for a Corvette. Just go ahead and give me the keys/title and I promise to make sure one ship gets dropped off. I'm good for it, ask around.


By Phoque on 3/5/2013 5:22:49 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, it's a nice car. I like it.


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