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Nexus 5 Line Art  (Source: Phandroid)
No word on when the device will launch her how much it will cost

Some new details on an unannounced LG Nexus 5 smartphone have surfaced via a 281-page service manual for the device that turned up on the web.

Tucked away inside the service manual include details outlining the device’s hardware specifications. The device will have a 4.95-inch full HD resolution display and will come with 32 GB or 16 GB of internal storage.

The smartphone uses a Snapdragon 800 processor running a 2.3GHz and includes 2GB of RAM. The rear camera is an eight-megapixel unit with optical image stabilization, while a 1.3-megapixel camera graces the front of the device.

Other features include a micro SIM card slot, wireless charging capability, Bluetooth 4.0, and NFC technology, 2300 mAh battery, and the ability to operate on UMTS/GSM/CDMA/LTE wireless networks.
If you want to read the service manual yourself, a link to the full manual is available at the source link below.

Source: Phandroid

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By techxx on 10/7/2013 10:05:36 AM , Rating: 2
This device should be announced by the end of October and released in November. Just you all see. :)

RE: November
By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 10:20:43 AM , Rating: 2
Pretty much expected as far as timing. This is the leakiest release in a while... Sort of the "everyone knows every detail prior to release" type of phone...

With that said, its still a great phone. If it keeps the $299 off contract price, or even goes up to $399 its a home run and a half. My guess is the screen is vastly improved, just like the Nexus 7 2013.

RE: November
By Reclaimer77 on 10/7/2013 10:40:49 AM , Rating: 2
Its also pleasing that this Nexus is fully compatible with LTE networks. The last one...not sure what they were thinking.

RE: November
By quiksilvr on 10/7/2013 10:56:26 AM , Rating: 2
I think the biggest issue they had was that they didn't realized the demand and failed miserably to meet quota.

As a result, assholes bought ten of them and sold the other nine online at ludicrous prices.

My hope is that they keep it Limit 2-3 per customer, but I doubt that would stop price gouging assholes from repeating themselves.

RE: November
By hrrmph on 10/7/13, Rating: 0
RE: November
By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 11:40:28 AM , Rating: 2
You dont seem to realize that this isn't an expensive halo phone. It's less than 1/2 the price of other high end phones. Not everyone needs SD. I'ts a nice option for those that do, and its available on plenty models if that is what you need. It's not a requirement for every single phone... In fact most dont have it.

RE: November
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/7/2013 11:51:51 AM , Rating: 1
Google does this on purpose. there are a couple reasons.

When you have a MicroSD slot, you can acquire and install applications from places other than their blessed sources. They do not like situations where they have little control.

Another is that if you have the bottom-end phone and can add another 64GB of usable storage, what is your motivation for customers to pay the big bucks for the upgraded version of the phone. Add in that MicroSD Card they have lying around and bingo! instant upgrade for free.

Google tried to curtail that second issue for its phone makers by removing the ability to store apps on the external MicroSD card in Android 4.0 and later. I know Samsung got a huge amount of heat over that with the SGS4 and later on issued an OTA patch that fixed that problem (at least for Samsung owners). However even today the latest Opensource versions of Android from Cyanogenmod or AOSP (or even the Google Edition version from Samsung) will let you do this.

RE: November
By xdrol on 10/7/2013 3:56:20 PM , Rating: 2
Like having no SD slot prevents anyone from installing programs outside of Google Play..

RE: November
By tim851 on 10/8/2013 8:07:46 AM , Rating: 2
What a load of crap.

MicroSD or not doesn't influence your ability to sideload apps. And what "big bucks upgraded version" of the Nexus 4 do you dream Google wanted to trick you into buying: the 16 gigs one? That still sold for less than any comparable device on the market?

From the outset, the Nexus devices have been designated by Google to be developer phones. Reliable reference AOSP devices.
That's why none of them have been in any way remarkable. Google probably does this on purpose to make them less attractive. The pricing has always appeared to be no-profit, thus Google does not want to sell 10 million of them.

RE: November
By Reclaimer77 on 10/7/2013 5:10:57 PM , Rating: 2
The point of the Nexus line is a phone that you can buy straight out without a contract, that's not absolute trash. Also it gets you the pure Android experience.

You can't have everything under the sun with a Nexus, or it would cost too much.

Google still selling the same old broken Nexus formula.

How do you figure it's "broken"? Come on be serious. There are places for dual-SIM, sure, the Nexus phones aren't one of them.

RE: November
By ritualm on 10/7/2013 7:42:53 PM , Rating: 2
No Micro-SDXC slot and only 32GB?

Google's Nexus line is great for people on tight budgets.
Probably no user removable battery either.

As long as it doesn't require a trip to a service center when the time does come to replace the battery, I don't care that it's not user-removable. In any case this is moot since you're more likely to replace the phone than the battery.
And would mountains have to move for somebody to offer a dual-SIM flagship smartphone in the USA?

And what are the inherent advantages of dual SIM slots, besides having access to more than one phone number on the same phone?
... and this ain't it.

Kindly explain to me how the Nexus 5 competes with the flagship phones from other companies?

RE: November
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/7/2013 9:47:51 PM , Rating: 2
And what are the inherent advantages of dual SIM slots, besides having access to more than one phone number on the same phone?

it appears you are not the sort of person that often leaves the U.S. If you travel to a different country and don't have a sim for service there, you get hit with the ginormous roaming charges from your American phone provider.

Sure you can simply swap sims once you cross the border, but with dual sim slots, you don't have to. The phone would simply connect to the local country's phone provider that you use.

It's a big hit for those that travel from say, the U.S. to China, often. Those folks don't mind paying a bit xtra for this kind of feature. And there are an awful lot of them in the business world.

RE: November
By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 12:19:07 PM , Rating: 2
They probably didn't land a contract with Verizon, or Sprint, therefore why bother. That fact that this does, says most likely it will come on at least one of the two.

RE: November
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/7/2013 12:03:56 PM , Rating: 2
Would have liked to see a bigger battery with that monster SD 800 SoC. 2600-2900 mAH would have been a better choice particularly since you can't swap it easily - the phone will be constantly connected to a charger.

RE: November
By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 12:21:16 PM , Rating: 2
I would like it bigger too, but it should still be as good as any phone today. I have it's cousin the LG G2, and it lasts for freegin ever with 3000ma. I charge it every 2 days just in case something comes up, but I can easily go 4 under normal usage. More than 2/3's of that is still plenty for me.

RE: November
By flyingpants1 on 10/7/2013 7:03:50 PM , Rating: 2
Cell phone battery life is not measured in days. When it's in your pocket, it does not count as using the phone.

Look at screen time under the battery stats.

RE: November
By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 7:30:56 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I wasn't born yesterday, my point is its plenty battery for most people and it stands up well against other smart phones recently released. The G2's battery has been benchmarked all over the place and is by far at the top of the heap by a good margin. The N5 has 75% the battery and a bit smaller screen so it will still be pretty good when compared to its competitors (S4, One, X, Xperia, etc).

RE: November
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/7/2013 9:56:31 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think the small battery use will be a good as the S4. I get usage like your G2 (4-5 days between charges with occasional wifi/LTE use, calls and playing the odd game with the slightly slower SD 600). Of course I am a running Google Edition rom on mine so it doesn't have all the usual Samsung crapware & bloat.

With a processor that size I would expect about 2 - 2 1/2 days on that phone with the same usage.

RE: November
By retrospooty on 10/8/2013 10:47:24 AM , Rating: 2

If true...

16GB: 2300ma battery at $299
32GB: 3000ms battery at $399

I like it. The extra 1000 is well worth it.

RE: November
By retrospooty on 10/8/2013 10:47:44 AM , Rating: 2

RE: November
By bug77 on 10/8/2013 11:04:04 AM , Rating: 2
I'm taking that with a pinch of salt. Nexus devices with on contract prices??? And if these are true, then I'll pass. It would be too expensive for me.

RE: November
By retrospooty on 10/8/2013 11:07:17 AM , Rating: 2
I dont think that part is correct. No ways its $299 and $399 with contract. The Nexus 4 low end was $299 off contract - paid in full. The source said the price is $299 and $399, the article author said "Presumably, both prices are assuming a two-year contract." but that is impossible.

RE: November
By bug77 on 10/7/2013 12:42:43 PM , Rating: 2
Battery life seems to be the biggest unknown at this point. 75% of the capacity of G2 with fewer power saving options could mean this will be its Achilles' heel, just like it was for Nexus 4.

RE: November
By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 1:43:02 PM , Rating: 2
75% of the G2's battery is still better than most phones today.

Plus its a bit smaller screen, so likely 80% as long lasting. Pretty damn good for a $299-$399 phone.

RE: November
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/7/2013 5:39:14 PM , Rating: 2
Let's hope the price tag lands in that ballpark.

RE: November
By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 7:33:20 PM , Rating: 2
I have a feeling it will be more than the previous N4... Just like the N7 went up a bit. Proven not 299 off contract, maybe 349 for 16gb and 399 for 32gb... But that is still good.

RE: November
By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 7:34:12 PM , Rating: 2
Proven= probably , damn spellcheck

RE: November
By bug77 on 10/8/2013 5:40:18 AM , Rating: 2
Most likely, Nexus 5 won't have G2's GRAM, thus it won't be able to shut down its GPU. It will probably miss other power saving tricks, too. Thus, I wouldn't count too much on that slight display decrease (nb, resolution will stay the same).
Also, the reason Google cited for not including LTE in Nexus 4 was that licensing was too expensive. Unless licensing got cheaper in the meantime, we can expect a price hike, too.
This is not going to be a bad phone, by any means. It's just that there are some unknowns at this time, that can make the difference between a top-notch piece and an average one. Personally, I'm ok with average. Phones these day do way more than I need. What I absolutely must have, though, is stellar battery life.

SD Card Slot a thing of the past?
By R3T4rd on 10/7/2013 11:03:40 AM , Rating: 2
What is with no SD Card Slot now? Almost every manufacturer is going this route. Some of us have 20+ GB of music we'd like to put on our phones since Smart Phones have pretty much made carrying a Music Player obsolete. 64GB and 32GB internal storage goes pretty quick especially when you have HD games and apps. As of now, the only solution is Samsung's S3 and S4 phones and perhaps a few others out there. And like everyone else, we hate the bloatware Samsung throws on thier phones unless you root and load custom rom. My Nexus 4 (much better phone than S3 IMO) is as pure of a Android phone as can be. Sad to see my 64GB and 32GB SD Cards sit unused.

And don't even mention the older phones with SD Card Slots. Thats another debate.

I do not get why manufacturers have to be so "fruity".

By ssnova703 on 10/7/2013 11:32:46 AM , Rating: 2

Whenever a phone is released with a micro-sd slot, you have a whole crowd whining that it's useless.

But I'm with ya, there is little reason for them not to include a micro-sdhc, expandable memory, plus flexibility in utility of the device all around.

RE: SD Card Slot a thing of the past?
By bah12 on 10/7/2013 11:36:55 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe it is some ridiculous contract thing with ATT remember the Nexus 4 didn't have one but the ATT one was the only one that did. I there is something holding Google back here, I get that they want to stream it all but still even they must see the value of an SD card.

RE: SD Card Slot a thing of the past?
By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 11:42:47 AM , Rating: 2
"What is with no SD Card Slot now? Almost every manufacturer is going this route. Some of us have 20+ GB of music we'd like to put on our phones since Smart Phones have pretty much made carrying a Music Player obsolete. "

So.... Buy a phone with SD. Problem solved.

Not everyone needs it, if you do there are plenty options.

RE: SD Card Slot a thing of the past?
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/7/2013 11:59:01 AM , Rating: 1

Vote with your wallet.

Just as an FYI: Google will never put out a Nexus series device that has a MicroSD card. MicroSD cards don't fit with Google's vision of having all your stuff on their cloud and control over it.

RE: SD Card Slot a thing of the past?
By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 12:11:46 PM , Rating: 3
I know, it's not part of the Nexus model and never will be. Even the 7 and 10 inch tablets dont have SD.

I would just love to get over the outrage over no SD with every single release. FFS, that is how it is. If you need SD, get something else. There are a TON of options that have it.

RE: SD Card Slot a thing of the past?
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/7/2013 5:36:40 PM , Rating: 2

Unfortunately none of them are this phone's size with that monster system chip -- as if anybody could really make use of a 2.3Ghz quad core processor in a smartphone.

Makes about as much sense as a 64-bit OS in a smartphone today.

By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 9:57:02 PM , Rating: 2
Ya, its definitely overkill. The S800 is way faster then it needs to be, but the good side is its more efficient then the S600, so there is no penalty.

RE: SD Card Slot a thing of the past?
By Samus on 10/7/2013 2:35:39 PM , Rating: 2
I never use mine in my GS3. It seems to drain the battery and is obviously slower than internal memory (especially "wake-up" access time and writes.) Things really hit a wall if you try to load apps onto SD. Android just takes a crap. Microsoft had the same problem with early Windows Phone 7 and eventually axed external storage from the framework. iOS has never supported external storage.

Just seems to be a trend. Besides, the Nexus tablets and phones are more reasonably priced at $50 increments (rather than Apples' $100 increments) for each capacity SKU

By Goty on 10/7/2013 10:28:41 AM , Rating: 2
I wish this had kept the same battery used in the G2. I need those extra minutes of runtime!

RE: Battery
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/7/2013 12:01:24 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. that battery is mighty small for a phone using a Snapdragon 800 SoC.

My SGS4 (Snapdragon 600) has a 2600mAh battery and I find that only marginally sufficient.

RE: Battery
By Doh! on 10/7/2013 8:15:00 PM , Rating: 2
Then get a G2.

RE: Battery
By Omega215D on 10/7/2013 8:21:06 PM , Rating: 2
Not always necessary. Some OEMs can really stretch the life of smaller capacity batteries. Also, 4.3 and beyond are supposed to be pretty efficient as coding improves.

Price will determine success
By Riusaki on 10/7/2013 10:37:46 AM , Rating: 2
The price point needs to stay same or be very close to the Nexus 4. If it retails for the same price as every other phone out now, it is going to bomb hard.

Google cannot justify a $399+ price point with the piss poor tech support the give (if said support exists at all).

RE: Price will determine success
By hrrmph on 10/7/2013 12:12:39 PM , Rating: 2
Dunno about CS, but...

Why is $400 too much for what is essentially a miniaturized PC?

Or, I should say, what SHOULD be considered to be a miniaturized PC, if they would bother to put some expandable storage on it.

$400 is actually mid-range. True flagship spec phones cost around $700, and that is only if you wait a few months for the price to settle down a little. Some, like the GT-I9502 cannot be had for less than $800 or more, even many months after they have been released.

Apparently some people spend that much on a graphics card to play games. So why is it too much to ask $400 for an entire system?


RE: Price will determine success
By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 12:16:21 PM , Rating: 2
I have never seen anyone that needed manufacturer tech support on any mobile phone going back to the Palm Treo days. What on earth do you need to call manufacturing support for?

RE: Price will determine success
By Omega215D on 10/7/2013 8:18:46 PM , Rating: 2
Besides, the people that buy Nexus phones are tech savvy enough to seek support from the likes of Google forums, XdA, android authority, etc. Also, a lot of phones nowadays dont need that extensiv of support.

I like it
By RaistlinZ on 10/7/2013 12:07:26 PM , Rating: 2
My two year contract with Sprint is over in Jan 2014. This might be the phone I upgrade to. Anyone know which carriers will offer it?

RE: I like it
By retrospooty on 10/7/2013 12:23:06 PM , Rating: 2
It should work on all GSM carriers right? There is LTE support, so they must have landed a major contract with one of the big ones (VZW, or Sprint) you would think.

RE: I like it
By hrrmph on 10/7/2013 12:25:57 PM , Rating: 2
Dear Heavens my child, come in from the woods and the snow and sit by the fire and get warm. You have come to just the right place for the answer to that:

It is UNLOCKED just like every phone should be.

Now banish all thoughts of ever buying a phone from a telecom carrier again.

Travel immediately to the store called Amazon and go to the section called 'Amazon Unlocked Cell Phone Store.'

Educate yourself and then tell all that you know that you have been lied to about it being illegal to buy and own an unlocked phone.

Wash your shame away with your generosity of knowledge. Tell them as I do: The road to h--- is paved with locked phones sold by telecoms who will extract easily $1000 or more, maybe even double or triple that from you, if you fall sway to their evil ways.

Now go. May the force of UNLOCKED be with you.


Snapdragon 800, 5" Screen, 2300mAh battery...
By Samus on 10/7/2013 3:24:39 PM , Rating: 2
That's a recipe for battery life disaster... You'd think with the lack of a SD slot and the larger screen they'd have room to increase the battery size closer to that of a Note II than being smaller than most phones with a ~4.5" screen.

By flyingpants1 on 10/7/2013 7:01:32 PM , Rating: 2
Part of the extra space is taken up by wireless charging. Which is really funny, because if your phone actually made it through the day, you wouldn't need to charge it wireless or otherwise..

A woman launcher?
By amanojaku on 10/7/2013 10:54:24 AM , Rating: 2
No word on when the device will launch her how much it will cost
That's gonna trump shark-mounted lasers. Finally, a smartphone with a feature I want!

By YearOfTheDingo on 10/7/2013 12:29:10 PM , Rating: 1
Back in 2009, I put down a good chunk of money for a Nexus 6. The technology was simply amazing, I must say. I really enjoyed owning it. But then a month ago the thing went totally haywire for no particular reason and died. When I looked in the service manual, it says that it's a feature not a defect. WTF?

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