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Both Blu-ray and HD-DVD are su pported here
Company plans to launch dual-format drive at the same time

At CES this week, LG Electronics announced what could become the first of many similar products -- a hybrid Blu-ray and HD-DVD all-in-one player. Called the BH100 and the GGW-H10N, LG establishes the units as part of a line that it refers to as the "Super Multi Blue" line of players. LG said in its original press release that there's great confusion and consumer frustration in the high definition market right now.

Many consumers are definitely applauding the direction that LG is heading in and are hoping that other manufacturers follow suit. Sony’s Blu-ray format has seen a fair share of problems that HD-DVD did not have, making the later a format that was sought after more quickly. According to LG:

LG Electronics offers flexibility to consumers in the next generation in optical disc drives. The GGW-H10N is compatible with both Blu-ray Discs and HD-DVD formats. The Super Multi Blue drive is compatible with Blu-ray Disc, DVD, CD read/write and HD-DVD-ROM (read), offering consumers with the most universal unit available.

Besides a set-top player, LG is also launching a Super Multi Blue drive capable of reading both HD formats. The two products marks first in the industry. The drive will be able to write to recordable Blu-ray discs in both single layer and dual-layer formats, stacking in roughly 25GB and 50GB respectively. The drives are fast too, being able to burn a single 25GB Blu-ray disc in about 25 minutes.

In a statement to the press, Dr. Hee Gook Lee, president and chief technology officer of LG Electronics said, "we’ve developed the Super Multi Blue Player to end the confusion caused by the current competition between Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD. Customers are no longer forced to choose between the two formats."

It took a long time for dual-format DVD-R and DVD+R drives to arrive on the computer market, but thankfully things are speeding along in the Blu-ray and HD-DVD battle. Expect more electronic giants like NEC, Pioneer and Matsushita to announce and launch dual-format readers in the future.

Pricing for the player is said to start at $1,200 USD.

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Nice, but...
By dcalfine on 1/8/2007 6:15:37 PM , Rating: 2
I'm happy that someone finally went out and did this. I know Samsung, as well as others, were planning something like this, but LG actually did it. $1200 is still pretty steep though, and by the time the price lowers and the reliability increases to levels where the average consumer will "consume" products like this, digital distribution will probably be widespread in most areas.

This squabble between Toshiba and Sony is getting out of hand... and into the hands of LG, it seems




RE: Nice, but...
By deeznuts on 1/8/2007 8:40:46 PM , Rating: 2
Technically its a squabble between Toshiba, NEC and a few other companies and:

Board of Directors
Apple
Dell
HP
Hitachi
LG
Mitsubishi Electric
Panasonic
Pioneer
Philips
Samsung
Sharp
Sony
Sun Microsystems
TDK
Thomson
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney
Warner Bros.

That's just the BOD. Check out the full list here:

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/general_information/Sec...


RE: Nice, but...
By zombiexl on 1/8/2007 9:07:21 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't sony own a chunk of those studios?


RE: Nice, but...
By zombiexl on 1/8/2007 9:08:23 PM , Rating: 2
nevermind i didnt read the post fully to see you left out most of the studios..


RE: Nice, but...
By masher2 (blog) on 1/9/2007 8:36:30 AM , Rating: 2
> "That's just the BOD. Check out the full list here..."

While true that many companies have a hand of some sort in Blu Ray, its extremely inaccurate to think that every company on the contributor list (or even on the board of directors) has nearly the stake in (or power over) the format that Sony does.


RE: Nice, but...
By nilepez on 1/9/2007 1:53:50 AM , Rating: 2
Are you kidding me? You're going to opt for a digital download that is lower quality (none are even DVD quality at this point), costs about as much as a DVD and has few, if any, extra features?

The price on this unit is high, but we're still in the first year of the game. At this point in the DVD game, prices were still very high. We'll see sub $400.00 players before the end of the year, which is about where we were a year into DVD.

The bottom line is that prices are falling and the format wars are irrelevant (most players will be Duel Format a year from now), which is long before digital distribution will be a major player.

Let's keep in mind that digital music downloads are still a tiny part of the music industry (the media just can't help talking about it, because it's Apple).


RE: Nice, but...
By othercents on 1/9/2007 10:32:39 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
We'll see sub $400.00 players before the end of the year, which is about where we were a year into DVD.

I doubt that... When there is a format war the pricing won't drop as fast because production won't be able to ramp up because people won't want to buy a product that could end up being the next Betamax. DVD had an advantage because everyone was on board with the technology and the market wasn't as skittish as it is now with the new formats.

Other


RE: Nice, but...
By masher2 (blog) on 1/9/2007 10:38:57 AM , Rating: 2
> "I doubt that..."

Err, given you can ALREADY find a sub-$400 HD-A1 player, you might want to reconsider that opinion. In a year, you'll probably be able to find sub-$300 players.


RE: Nice, but...
By masher2 (blog) on 1/9/2007 8:37:35 AM , Rating: 2
> "$1200 is still pretty steep though..."

That's what I paid for my first DVD player. Of course DVDs were a much larger step up over videotapes than this is over DVD.


Maybe not smart move now.
By hstewarth on 1/8/2007 6:39:14 PM , Rating: 2
With two competing formats, it would better if we only have one format - then letting both survice. It still better than have 2 seperate players out.

But recent release schedules - show that Blu-Ray has 56 up and coming titles, while HD DVD has 13 titles.

The new 2nd generation HDDVD drive that supports 1080p is just as expensive as Blu-Ray and actually cheaper than this drive.

What people want is not more expensive players - but instead lower cost ones. Maybe the first one that supports 1080p by itself and cost around $300 will when.

Steaming of 1080p content is likely years away - think about it 1920x1080x30 bits of information per second is a lot of information. Even with compression it maybe too much band width assumes I have my #'s correct.




RE: Maybe not smart move now.
By rttrek on 1/8/07, Rating: 0
RE: Maybe not smart move now.
By masher2 (blog) on 1/9/2007 8:45:58 AM , Rating: 4
> "First, 1080p is 1920 x 1080 x 60 pixels per second. 1080i would be x 30..."

No, not at all. 1080p does not imply anything whatsoever about the frame rate. You can have a 1080p24, 1080p30, or 1080p60 signal. The highest signal supported for broadcast now is actually 1080p30 (though almost no one uses that high a mode). BD and HD-DVD discs are typically encoded at 1080p24.

As for 1080i, its supported up to 60 fields per second, which is, of course, 30 frames/sec.


RE: Maybe not smart move now.
By CascadingDarkness on 1/9/2007 2:11:06 PM , Rating: 2
Yes 1080p24 seems to make most sense since it is 20% less bandwith than 1080i60 and matches the actual format films are recorded at better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i
Wiki and Google know all =)


RE: Maybe not smart move now.
By masher2 (blog) on 1/9/2007 2:19:51 PM , Rating: 2
> "Yes 1080p24 seems to make most sense since it is 20% less bandwith than 1080i60 and matches the actual format films are recorded at better...."

It makes the most sense for encoding film-print movies, yes...not neccesarily for broadcasting, or even displaying those movies Most display devices tend to run at 30fps or some multiple thereof, which is why 3:2 pulldown is required in the first place.

Also, one point lost to most people is that when you interlace properly-encoded digital material to 1080i60, the resultant signal can be deinterlaced back to 1080p with zero loss of image quality . Which is why "lacking" 1080p for an HD-DVD is really no lack at all.


RE: Maybe not smart move now.
By Reflex on 1/8/2007 9:55:48 PM , Rating: 2
Its really too bad for the Blu-Ray camp that the most popular player(the PS3) for BR completely screwed up by not including a hardware scaler. As a result, a large portion of the HDTV install base is stuck watching their BR movies in 480p. Furthermore, another large portion is stuck watching in 1080i in the case of their HDTV supporting all but 1080p, which admittedly is better than 480p, but not as nice as 720p.

Between that and the poor encode quality of BR movies Sony really screwed up on the whole 'delivering the HD experience' thing they were hyping last year...

Ah well, should be fixed when they finally move to current encoding standards and release a hardware revision for the PS3.


RE: Maybe not smart move now.
By slackpiv on 1/8/2007 10:39:48 PM , Rating: 2
That's wrong. No HDTVs are screwed. As a TV cannot be labeled an HDTV if they do not support 1080i or 720p. Support for those two are required for the HDTV labeled to be used. 720p vs. 1080i debate is up in the air as which is better. However almost all plasmas/LCDs are 720p while almost all crt tube tvs are 1080i. However the 1080i only crt tube HDTVS also support 720p. The only owners that are getting screwed with 480p are those owners who bought a 720p or 1080i only tv before HDTV consortum desided what HD was. Needless to say that it was a while ago and affects a very minute group.


RE: Maybe not smart move now.
By Reflex on 1/9/2007 4:27:27 AM , Rating: 2
Not really. Remember, the PS3 can only output Blu-Ray movies at three resolutions: 1080i, 1080p and 480p(also, technically 480i).

So, with that in mind, here are the scenerios:

1) Most HDTV owners do not have a 1080p set, so there is only a tiny fraction that can display in that mode.

2) Up until recently, the consumer high end was 720p, which the PS3 cannot display BR moviesin. Most of those sets can also do 1080i, which the PS3 can play movies in, however it is an inferior standard(don't believe me? Spend a little time on AV forums, its really *not* in dispute). On these sets they do get HDTV, but obviously not an ideal image.

3) Many people with older LCD panels(as well as some other HDTV's) only have 480p or 720p options, those people will unfortunatly only see a 480p image.

A *huge* amount of HDTV's are affected by this, as chronicled in many forums, online articles, and blog postings. Remember, HDTV's have been sold in the US for the better part of a decade. Releasing a player that dosen't support the installed base *is* botching the launch of the player, at least as far as movies go. People should not have to go buy a new TV because they were blindsided by Sony's scaler ommission, and those people are going to be suprised when a HD-DVD player looks noticably better on their set than the PS3.

This is not a 'small group' thats affected, it is the majority of people who bought a HDTV before 2005 or so that will be impacted by this.


RE: Maybe not smart move now.
By masher2 (blog) on 1/9/2007 8:51:29 AM , Rating: 2
> But recent release schedules - show that Blu-Ray has 56 up and coming titles, while HD DVD has 13 titles..."

Sony's studios have been "announcing" non-released titles for nearly a year now. As of whats available today, Amazon.com shows 305 HD-DVD titles, and 227 BD titles.

> "The new 2nd generation HDDVD drive that supports 1080p is just as expensive as Blu-Ray..."

Given that 1080i60 from even the low-end HD-DVD player deinterlaces to 1080p with zero loss of image quality, I don't see it as a lack. And that player can now be found for under $400.


FINALLY!
By Christopher1 on 1/8/2007 6:14:13 PM , Rating: 2
Finally, someone has dared to buck Sony and the other companies who support Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, and put them both in one player!

Kudos to LG, and I hope that they sell a LOT of these players.




RE: FINALLY!
By lufoxe on 1/9/2007 8:35:56 AM , Rating: 2
I'm glad and angry all at the same time, I'm glad that LG has decided to go ahead and think of the consumers wants (which in turn leads to revenues in their pockets. Kudos LG for doing it. BUT, I am angry as a consumer, such a player shouldn't have NEEDED to come into the market, first it was beta max/VHS, then things smoothed out and we just had DVDs, it was beautiful (we're talking movies not recordable media where the last standard was CDs) then the wrench has to be thrown in with HD-DVD/ Blu-ray. As a consumer this pisses me off.. get a standard format and make the players better instead of sitting on your keister and making money off of licensing fees. it's a trend that is happening more and more, and it's really pissing me off


RE: FINALLY!
By masher2 (blog) on 1/9/2007 8:59:37 AM , Rating: 2
> "BUT, I am angry as a consumer, such a player shouldn't have NEEDED to come into the market..."

Its not "needed". Its wanted. No one is forcing you to buy either format. And having a choice in the marketplace is actually better for consumers than having a group of companies (or worse, a government body) dictate to you what you must buy.

Consider the Betamax/VHS conflict you mention. Betamax had better image quality. VHS was cheaper, and allowed you to record four hours on a tape. Consumers voted for VHS, and drove Betamax out of the market (except in the Camcorder market, where the format ruled until the introduction of digital models). Isn't that better than being "told" what you must buy?


RE: FINALLY!
By Axbattler on 1/9/2007 1:59:48 PM , Rating: 2
The problem, of course, is that until the dust settles, it may be risky to adopt a specific technology. I am sure there were Betamax adopters who lost out.

Yes it is the risk you take as an early adapter. But on the face value, it is really not an efficient use of R&D time and money (consider that much of the time and money that went into developing Beta ended up in some way wasted. And if it weren't for the LG and upcoming dual-format drives, you do have to make a difficult decision of choosing sides. Actually, you still do: if either format take an early loss, there may not be enough releases on the format to make it worthwhile... which may in turn decrease demands for dual-format drives (which I suspect will be more expensive to manufacture in any case).

That said, I wonder if the dual-format drives establish themselves before there are a significant amount of BD and HD-DVD media, it some kind of status quo in this war. Every modern DVD-RW can support DVD-R and DVD+R, and though I do not know the market share of each format, they are both still alive and kicking.

Going back, I do however not blame the companies wanting a big slice from their R&D. If the format is good enough to become a new standard (as determined by the end users), then I think they very well deserve their paycheque. And perhaps the competition will bring (what they think is) the best for the consumers.


RE: FINALLY!
By masher2 (blog) on 1/9/2007 2:13:29 PM , Rating: 2
> "until the dust settles, it may be risky to adopt a specific technology...."

Not really. If you buy either player, it will continue to work (until it malfunctions, of course) regardless of whether or not its particular format takes over the market.

The only thing you're risking is that studios may at some point stop releasing new films in that format. But then, if the number of films already released isn't enough for you to justify your purchase, you should hold off anyway. Also, remember that, even if there were only a SINGLE format, you still risk this as well....consider PSP-format movies as one example.

> "consider that much of the time and money that went into developing Beta ended up in some way wasted"

Given that the Betamax format (in the form of Hi-8/Super8) dominated the camcorder market for 15+ years, I don't think that's true. Had one official body dictated a standard to us, we would have either wound up with Betamax on videoplayers, or VHS-C on camcorders. And, according to consumers, neither of which was an ideal situation.


RE: FINALLY!
By Axbattler on 1/9/2007 5:48:28 PM , Rating: 2
"The only thing you're risking is that studios may at some point stop releasing new films in that format."

That is indeed what I meant. I am sure people usually based their purchase on what they can do now, but also from future expectations. People -could- wait to be sure, but there is a downside to that too: it implies continue to purchase movies on DVD format. Yet if one of those format -do- succeed to become a new standard, then it would've been wasteful. Sure you could say 'don't buy the DVD then if you can't accept those risks'... but it goes back to waiting for the dust to settle.

There are a lot more 'what-ifs', and not all risks are the equal. Yes people with a massive collection of VHS had to give them up eventually when DVDs became standard. But the sooner a 'winner' is decided, the sooner people could migrate.. if the standard is worthy. And sure enough, not all new standard are successful. I would argue that the PSP-format is a niche market compared to the home cinema market, which I reckon is more established and less likely to go disappear and open an option for upgrades. I am also aware that DVD-A/SACD for instance haven't exactly replaced CDs so far. But I do suspect that the general consumer tend to pay more attention to pictures than audio (my observation rather than hard evidence - I do think people spend more on large LCD/Plasma than on audiophile speakers).

Would you really say that there is an equal or even similar chance for both format to fail rather than one format to become a new standard? If not, then you should agree that not all risks are the same. And that affect the decision making. Someone may be willing to go BD/HD-DVD if it was the only known way forward. But the same person may not be willing to choose side if both existed as it is perceived too risky for that individual.

As to the second point. I do agree. That is why I started the sentence with 'On the face value'. It assumes that companies/people are capable of being perfectly efficient with their resources (money, labour etc.) irrespective of the presence/absence of competition... which is probably not true. And that is also why I mentioned 'as determined by users' and implied that the competition might actually have been a good thing.


RE: FINALLY!
By MrDiSante on 1/9/2007 5:15:32 PM , Rating: 2
There is a problem, on the one hand if there is only one format, than chances are it's not going to be as good as if there were two products competing (see communism, theoretically efficient - practically not so much). On the other hand users get stuck with a format war which makes few people happy, so what I hope for is that there keep being format wars but that the worse or impractically more expensive format just kick the bucket nice and early. Beta vs VHS is arguable who we would've been better off with, but HD-DVD is clearly a better choice than Blu-ray - the picture quality's the same as they're both big enough to fit a full-length 1080P VC-1 encoded movie but HD-DVD's a good deal cheaper, so I'm rooting for Blu-ray to kick the bucket.


RE: FINALLY!
By xphile on 1/10/2007 7:28:47 PM , Rating: 2
The point that lufoxe made is that if you have a great product in the FIRST PLACE then there is no NEED for a format war. When you know up front you are releasing a product that has an already well known function (play and record data/movies) and does so in a propriatory way that is going to compete head to head with another product that is doing the same thing, and you already have solid historical data of the SAME scenario having been a total shambles and that it cost you severly, then going voluntarily down the same path is not only stupid for financial risk reasons but also in the risk to losing your customer base entirely. I dont care who the company is I would say the same thing.

You say "Isn't that better than being "told" what you must buy?" Yet NOBODY is TOLD what they must buy. NOT EVER! Wheteher one product that does a function is available or 1 hundred, if you like it you buy it, if you dont like it it stays on the shelf. Having a choice is NOT always the best thing. It may be good in some cases but not always. In this case it has been disasterous and totally unnecessary. Choice here was not for the sake of the consumer's right to choose - it was for the sake of corporate pride and corporate greed and not one thing else.

People dont WANT competition, they want the best damned products they can have, however that can be done. Just making a great product or two, making them how YOU want to make them and just simply putting them out without ANY real competition and saying "here you go then" can be a good thing that can work really well and make you lots of money with LOTS of happy customers. You dont NEED competition to be wanted and competition isnt necessarily going to make the future marketplace or products any better or cleverer. Sometimes the only competition you need is yourself to be better than what you last did. Sometimes the only one that can drive you to create the next step is you, and you can do it all by yourself without anyone elses help.

Just ask Steve Jobs and Apple Inc.


Licensiing issues?
By ninjit on 1/8/2007 6:25:21 PM , Rating: 2
What happened to the whole licesnsing issue problem?

Something about Sony not granting BD licenses for players that also supported HD-DVD.




RE: Licensiing issues?
By Gatt on 1/8/2007 9:51:32 PM , Rating: 2
Illegal.

It's like MS not granting licensces to computers that also had firefox installed, or ATI no longer allowing their cards to be installed on boards with Intel chips on them.


RE: Licensiing issues?
By Korvon on 1/9/2007 3:40:19 PM , Rating: 2
This drive is still in Sony's favor. It burns BD and only reads HD DVD. If these units take the market Sony wins by default.


RE: Licensiing issues?
By masher2 (blog) on 1/9/2007 4:08:38 PM , Rating: 2
> "If these units take the market Sony wins by default. "

Not really. The money is in videodisc licensing fees, not blank media. If people buy these drives to burn Blu Ray, but watch HD-DVD movies, Sony loses.


Improper HD DVD support
By Eug on 1/8/2007 7:30:05 PM , Rating: 2
This player does NOT support HD DVD properly.

It has incomplete support for the interactive features of HD DVD, which kinda makes it pointless as an HD DVD player.




RE: Improper HD DVD support
By Eug on 1/8/2007 7:34:38 PM , Rating: 2
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-6147875.html

"it is currently limited to simply playing HD DVDs without their interactive functions, Ahn said."


RE: Improper HD DVD support
By masher2 (blog) on 1/9/2007 8:53:23 AM , Rating: 3
> "It has incomplete support for the interactive features of HD DVD, which kinda makes it pointless as an HD DVD player."

I have yet to use any of those "interactive features" on my HD-DVD player....even though it does support them. I bought it to watch movies, not to "interact with content". And I bet a large segment of the buying public feels the same way I do.


Fu....sion.....HA!
By daftrok on 1/8/2007 7:38:48 PM , Rating: 1
Take the physical Blu-Ray Disc (hardware) and use HD DVD's compression or video codec or whatever the hell you want to call it(software) and BE FUCKING DONE WITH IT! STOP THE MADNESS!




RE: Fu....sion.....HA!
By Lonyo on 1/8/2007 7:57:23 PM , Rating: 2
Both discs do already use the same compression (VC-1 I think)....


RE: Fu....sion.....HA!
By rg33 on 1/9/2007 6:17:25 AM , Rating: 2
Well they should do, apparently all Blu ray films have been released in MPEG2 though due to problems with Blu ray players. This is apparently why HD-DVD image quality is better.


RE: Fu....sion.....HA!
By xphile on 1/10/2007 8:29:36 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry it has nothing whatsoever to do with problems with Blu-Ray players.

Both formats can and might use VC-1 at any time. Sony have chosen not to so far, originally stating they believed the quality of MPG2 was superior and that they would use it because they could since it would take up more space than an HD-DVD disc could cope with but that Bluray allowed them to still use it, essentially as a marketing tool to show how great it was having more capacity. This then backfired when the moves in fact look crap in comparrison.

The real benefit of VC-1 is that it supports the compression of interlaced content without first converting it to progressive, making it more attractive to the broadcast and movie industries. The real reason that Sony havent raced to embrace it is almost certainly that Microsoft have done so first and already have an implementation in Windows Media Video 9.

Although most people say it is a Microsoft's product, there are actually 15 companies that jointly hold the VC-1 patent. VC-1 is open to implementation by anyone, although theoretically there is a licensing fee to be paid to the MPEG LA, LLC. licensing body. It certainly wouldnt be enough of a cost to stop Sony using it.


Market Penetration is key
By EastCoast on 1/8/2007 6:20:45 PM , Rating: 2
I do hope that their strategy is market penetration. Flooding the market with these units should end the HD vs BR wars really fast.

Heck if they sold for $150 per unit I would be happy.




RE: Market Penetration is key
By farscape on 1/8/2007 10:00:38 PM , Rating: 2
If Sony can sell the PS3 below cost and MS can sell the Xbox below cost, then in thwe effort to get market share, why don't these outfits sell their players/recorders WAY below cost to corner the market. Sorry $1200 is way to rich for my blood, $150-200 would be worth it for me.

'scape


RE: Market Penetration is key
By GreenEnvt on 1/9/2007 8:34:00 AM , Rating: 2
The difference is with PS3 and Xbox, they can make their money back in game and accessory sales.

If Toshiba, LG, Samsung, etc, release their players at a huge loss, they just lose money, with no chance for returns. The movie studio's can make it back in sales, but that does nothing for the technology companies.


Just a Thought
By deeznuts on 1/8/2007 7:28:38 PM , Rating: 2
Just a thought, but does anyone think the proliferation of a dual/hybrid player such as this, might sound the death knell for HD-DVD? As we all know, Blu-Ray has far superior backing then HD-DVD. That is no question. HD-DVD's advantages included ease of transition, cost and time to market. Well let's assume these hybrid players take the market by storm. Blu-Ray only parties have NO incentive to jump ship. Neither do HD-DVD only parties. Given that, with the greater backing of Blu-Ray only, it's possible nobody moves and BD wins by default.

Not a prediction but just a thought.




RE: Just a Thought
By mkruer on 1/8/2007 8:32:39 PM , Rating: 2
That’s exactly what I think will happen.


I'm sold...
By Hydrofirex on 1/8/2007 6:21:47 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
LG is also launching a Super Multi Blu drive capable of reading both HD formats. The two products marks first in the industry. The drive will be able to write to recordable Blu-ray discs in both single layer and dual-layer formats, stacking in roughly 25GB and 50GB respectively. The drives are fast too, being able to burn a single 25GB Blu-ray disc in about 25 minutes.


If I'm reading this correctly, they've gone ahead and made a PC drive which reads both Blue Ray and HD DVD, and burns single and dual layer Blue Ray at a pretty decent sounding speed!

That is amazing! It's exactly what I'm looking for, for my PC. Assuming it's price/Meg plays out better than a HD drive, this is perfect. Now we just need all the other manufacturers to jump on board so the unit price on these babies drops to commodity levels like DVD burners!

HfX




By theaerokid on 1/8/2007 6:26:47 PM , Rating: 2
I'm all for the flexibility of both formats, but it puts them in the premium price range. What's keeping Sony and Toshiba from raising their licensing fees and discouraging these hybrid products by making them too expensive?




ily
By S3anister on 1/8/2007 10:05:52 PM , Rating: 2
LG.




Just what I was waiting for...
By Trisped on 1/10/2007 11:48:26 PM , Rating: 2
Well this is just what I was waiting for. Better yet is the fact they are also going to release a drive for PCs.

I also like the fact that it is less than $2000. I figured they would charge a large premium since you were getting both players in one.




this is great
By slickr on 1/8/2007 10:04:49 PM , Rating: 1
GO LG




By vdig on 1/9/2007 9:42:37 AM , Rating: 1
I like where this device is going, but for me, $1200 is too rich for my blood. This is especially troubling if certain features of the different HD camps are broken in the process. Might as well buy a PS3 and an MS HD Drive add on, and be better off money wise than spending $1200 on a device. Still, anything that reduces the amount of devices that need to be set up will have some demand.

This device needs to get cheaper before it would be accepted by most people. DVD players are so much cheaper compared to this, and many do not have HD sets yet. If they are trying to get people to spend on HD TVs, they need it to be affordable.




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