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RIAA lawyers may have mislead Minnesota judge, corrupting the jury's decision

Jammie Thomas, the Minnesota resident ordered to pay $222,000 to the RIAA last October, may get a second shot at trial due to a controversial – and possibly misleading – jury instruction.

In October, when Capitol Records v. Jammie Thomas wrapped up, members of the jury were told that the act of making music available for download was all that was needed to prove that Thomas infringed record labels’ copyrights – attorneys for the RIAA compared this to someone displaying pirate DVDs for sale at a table. The instruction likely cost Thomas her victory and a short while later the jury awarded plaintiffs $222,000 in damages for Thomas’ act of “making available” 24 songs for download.

Now, however, U.S. District Court Judge Michael J. Davis now thinks that the “making available” instruction was a mistake. He says that he found a 1993 ruling from the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals that requires “actual dissemination of either copies or phonorecords.” An Arizona ruling entered on similar arguments was revoked late last April, he added, and earlier this month a Florida federal court reached the same conclusion.

Neither side in Capitol v. Thomas presented the 1993 decision to him, said Davis. Oral arguments on whether or not a new trial will be held on July 1 in Duluth, Minnesota.

With precedent quickly shifting away from the content industry’s favor, the RIAA doesn’t seem fazed: “If we have to retry the case, we’ll do so without hesitation,” said RIAA attorney Richard Gabriel. Record companies can still prove that Thomas violated copyright, because files found on her computer have the same signatures as known pirated recordings – files that Thomas claims were copied from CDs. Beyond that, says Gabriel, evidence that investigators working for the RIAA were able to download music from her computer is more than sufficient to win a second trial.

“We've been saying all along that it was submitted to the jury on an improper theory,” said attorney and Recording Industry vs. The People co-author Ray Beckerman. “Now the judge recognizes his error and he realizes he was misled by record industry lawyers.”





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Haha
By JasonMick on 5/16/2008 9:45:54 AM , Rating: 5
This just made my morning. I really hope this ridiculous ruling gets overturned. I'm not saying that Thomas didn't do something wrong, but the extreme degree of the judgement was practically medieval in its punitiveness.

And its a scary day when an entity can convict citizens of a crime, with no physical evidence that they did it. I know this happens in a variety of flavors, but its simply not right. Imagine if stores could just say you stole stuff, with no videos or physical evidence and charge you hunndreds of thousands of dollars. Its a bad precedent to set.




RE: Haha
By Monkmachine on 5/16/2008 10:05:33 AM , Rating: 2
In Britain you can steal a car and only get a small fine (under £500) but $220,000 for a few songs is ridiculous!!

I wonder how much money they've spent on lawyer fee's since they started pursuing people....


RE: Haha
By masher2 on 5/16/2008 10:22:19 AM , Rating: 5
> "In Britain you can steal a car and only get a small fine (under £500)"

That sounds like a serious problem in itself.


RE: Haha
By mmntech on 5/16/2008 11:39:07 AM , Rating: 2
I think you would get a little more than a small fine for grand theft auto. It's an indictable crime here in Canada so it would presumably be the same in the UK. Indictable crimes carry a minimum two year sentence. I think it's five years for grand theft.

Still, I agree that this penalty is extremely high. Does this ruling not violate the Eight Amendment? Then again there was Rummel vs Estelle (1980) where a life sentence was upheld for $230 fraud. It's good this woman is getting a second chance.

Note to the editor, how could you not have a picture of Johnny Cochran giving the Chewbacca defense?! This whole case reminded my of that South Park episode. "I am above the Law!"


RE: Haha
By Suomynona on 5/16/2008 12:31:38 PM , Rating: 2
IANAL, but I think the Eighth Amendment only applies in criminal cases, and this is a civil suit.


RE: Haha
By eion on 5/17/2008 2:04:30 PM , Rating: 2
The Eighth Amendment may not apply in civil cases, but the Fourteenth Amendment does.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/94-896.ZO.ht... (especially footnote 22).


RE: Haha
By OrSin on 5/19/2008 8:50:45 AM , Rating: 2
I differ here then most people. I think she should be fined. Not the large amount but a pretty large fine. The thing is she was guilty and the lies she used to was shallow. Tis case should have never went to court because they had so much evidence on her. Really dozen others should have been the precedent setting case. We backed the wrong horse with this lady.


RE: Haha
By bryanW1995 on 5/16/2008 4:56:34 PM , Rating: 3
if chewbacca is a wookie, then you must acquit!!!


RE: Haha
By robinthakur on 5/19/2008 10:34:31 AM , Rating: 2
OK, the justice system in the UK is a complete joke, I freely admit. Seriously you'd be surprised how leniant the sentences are! I think punitive punishments are a good idea, generally short of capital punishment, but in this case it just seems delusional to fine one little person so much when there's no proof whatsoever that any losses or damages took place!


RE: Haha
By afkrotch on 5/16/08, Rating: 0
RE: Haha
By Screwballl on 5/17/2008 2:24:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
In Britain you can steal a car and only get a small fine (under £500)...


yes this is true... but if you damage the vehicle in any way it compounds the charges seriously. It was previously called the "borrowers law" if I remember right. You're simply paying someone to transport the vehicle back to their owner and the courts for seeing the case.


RE: Haha
By Sulphademus on 5/16/2008 10:07:32 AM , Rating: 1
24 songs? Thats what? 2 Albums?

I'd rather pay the Sam Goody price than $111,000 per Britney Spears record.


RE: Haha
By JLL55 on 5/16/2008 10:10:44 AM , Rating: 3
While I am glad there is going to be a retrial, I feel that the outcome might be very similar (though I hope with a less penalty) I believe that the fact the MediaSentry downloaded a copy results in dissemination. As per the previously cited cases within the article. I don't like it, but she is still guilty - hence why the RIAA is not really perturbed.


RE: Haha
By psychobriggsy on 5/16/2008 10:25:33 AM , Rating: 1
Is it illegal to disseminate a copyrighted recording to the owner (or agent) of the copyright holder?

Fact is, she most likely did download the music files 'illegally'.

Another fact is, she should only be fined the known damages (x3 even). Which are, well, 24 downloads, err, maybe $100 or so.


RE: Haha
By Bender 123 on 5/16/2008 10:45:07 AM , Rating: 2
I personally like the recent story of Universal Music being sued and arguing punitive damages for distribution of copyright works is unconstitutional and only the true retail value of the music should determine the penalty. They are even sighting their losses as precedent to help in this case, but refuse to acknowledge their own hypocracy when dealing with their own customers. I find it hilarious that they dont see that whats good for the goose...


RE: Haha
By TomCorelis on 5/16/2008 12:31:43 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Is it illegal to disseminate a copyrighted recording to the owner (or agent) of the copyright holder?
The EFF brought that up in one of their briefs for the Arizona case, and the short answer is that the judge found that argument baseless.


RE: Haha
By Oregonian2 on 5/16/2008 1:48:11 PM , Rating: 2
As I recall, she wasn't "gotten" for downloading songs. She was "gotten" for making them available for uploading even though it wasn't even attempted to be shown that any were uploaded. Certainly she should be found guilty of copyright infringement -- but that which she was found guilty of is the same as leaving a CD on your car seat with the door unlocked. Someone may be able to grab and copy it. Made available for copyright infringement. Likewise radio stations make songs available for copying too. Although she'd still end up at the guilty end of things, the basis of her previous conviction was absurd. Good to see that the judge has come this conclusion as well -- but sad that the obviousness of the absurdity wasn't seen earlier.


RE: Haha
By masher2 on 5/16/2008 2:03:04 PM , Rating: 1
> "that which she was found guilty of is the same as leaving a CD on your car seat with the door unlocked."

Not at all, as you're allowed to emperil your own personal copy of a CD at will. The situation is more akin to making an illegal copy, then leaving it on your car seat.

> "Likewise radio stations make songs available for copying too"

But they do so with the full permission of the copyright holder, hence the difference.


RE: Haha
By Shawn5961 on 5/16/2008 4:04:04 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Not at all, as you're allowed to emperil your own personal copy of a CD at will. The situation is more akin to making an illegal copy, then leaving it on your car seat.


Then again, with the ways the RIAA has been trying to stretch intellectual property lately, I wouldn't be surprised if that got deemed illegal.

"What, someone stole your CD? Well, that's loss of profits for us, so we're gonna have to take you to court for $150,000 for allowing someone to steal our intellectual property."


RE: Haha
By Oregonian2 on 5/16/2008 7:41:34 PM , Rating: 2
So if she had actually ripped those songs from her CDs as she claimed and made them available on whatever it was she did, it would have been okay with the RIAA -- that she had downloaded them first before making it available is the problem? I thought it was absurd before but it's getting even harder to understand!


RE: Haha
By Xerstead on 5/16/2008 10:59:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
...is more akin to making an illegal copy, then leaving it on your car seat.

Would that be a self-made copy for personal use in the car, so as not to damage the original cd, as previousaly allowed under 'fair-use'. Then 'allowing' that to be stolen.


RE: Haha
By mcnabney on 5/16/2008 10:29:55 AM , Rating: 2
The whole thing is BS.

If this line of legal action continues I think that we should drag the photocopier industry into it as well just to show the world how silly the idea is. There is no legal difference between copying a digital version of a song and photocopying pages out of a book. It is just a lot easier in this age to track down digital activity than to see who is making copies at the library.


RE: Haha
By masher2 on 5/16/08, Rating: 0
RE: Haha
By just4U on 5/16/2008 1:49:23 PM , Rating: 2
Well lets take a look at that from a different angle Masher..

We freely make available images for people to look at on sites. Viewed by tons of people. All without consent by the person who probably has a legal right to that image. Heck you can even right click and save. This is copying on a grand scale and it's common place.. So common place that most don't ever give it a second thought.

In a way that's the same thing as a song being copied and shared but it doesn't carry a penalty. (in most instances)

So whats the difference?


RE: Haha
By Oregonian2 on 5/16/2008 7:46:54 PM , Rating: 2
If you believe old gangster movies, murder was commonplace in some areas at some time in the past.

So if something is common, it's okay and should be thought of lightly?


RE: Haha
By just4U on 5/16/2008 9:28:32 PM , Rating: 1
You missed my whole point entirely... and we are not discussing murder which is a different matter entirely.

I don't question weather it's right or wrong. I really couldn't care less to be perfectly honest. It's just that the way these copyright laws are laid out and how we do things on a day to day basis can translate into so many types of copyright infringement its mind boggling. Trying to wade thru all that crap is likely to drive most of us bonkers. When is it ok? When is it not? What's the difference between this or that? I mean really...

Laws should make sense and protect everyone involved. Half the people (maybe more) are not even aware that they've done anything wrong.


RE: Haha
By BarkHumbug on 5/19/2008 5:15:17 AM , Rating: 2
Had to reply, I down-rated a post by a left-click accident... :)


RE: Haha
By hcahwk19 on 5/16/2008 10:54:42 AM , Rating: 3
Read the opinion of the recent Florida case and the Copyright laws. The judge said that a copyright holder, or an agent thereof, cannot infringe their own copyright. Basically, an RIAA copyright holder cannot a) download a song from a file sharer and claim copyright infringement, or b) use a third party agent (MediaSentry) to do so either. One cannot break their own copyright on any work. The judge said that what the RIAA will have to do is ACTUALLY trace a file back to the person's computer, as simply making a file available for download is NOT infringement.


RE: Haha
By JLL55 on 11/19/2008 2:55:46 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks! At the time I wrote it, I thought third party people counted... if not, I completely agree with you. THanks for the extra info! I hope the judge then throws out the case cause they really don't have "proof" that an unlawful dissemination occured IIRC.


RE: Haha
By masher2 on 5/16/2008 10:20:00 AM , Rating: 4
> "its a scary day when an entity can convict citizens of a crime, with no physical evidence that they did it"

I don't know where you get this, but an impartial jury admitted the amount of evidence against the defendent was simply overwhelming. No amount of wishful thinking is going to change that. It was far more than simple IP address matching in this paticular case.


RE: Haha
By hcahwk19 on 5/16/2008 10:57:54 AM , Rating: 2
They had NO evidence other than a folder with a few songs in it. They had no evidence of ANYONE other than MediaSentry taking a look and downloading, which as a matter of law does NOT constitute infringement, since an copyright holder an agent thereof can infringe its own copyright. The RIAA intentionally mislead the judge and the jury and should face sanctions because of it.


RE: Haha
By JustTom on 5/16/2008 12:16:26 PM , Rating: 2
Since the defense did not supply the judge with the suitable precedent did the defense also mislead the judge?


RE: Haha
By eion on 5/17/2008 2:16:11 PM , Rating: 2
> "I don't know where you get this, but an impartial jury given a faulty instruction admitted the amount of evidence against the defendent (sic) was simply overwhelming."

Fixed.

Besides, I don't know where you get the idea that the evidence against the defendant was "simply overwhelming", unless that's how you would characterise a finding of guilt by preponderance of the evidence. I certainly would not, however.


RE: Haha
By Polynikes on 5/16/2008 1:11:02 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, well said.


RE: Haha
By Some1ne on 5/16/2008 3:18:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm not saying that Thomas didn't do something wrong, but the extreme degree of the judgement was practically medieval in its punitiveness.


Thomas didn't do anything wrong. Illegal? Probably. But not wrong. Disobeying unjust laws (such as those that attempt to levy $220K fines for the piracy of 24 songs) is not wrong. Sometimes, it's even necessary.


RE: Haha
By plinkplonk on 5/18/2008 5:14:07 AM , Rating: 2
yeah I'm definitely in agreement here...why are such ridiculous amounts of money awarded? do the RIAA really need to take $220,000 from this person?

I think it's about time the RIAA read "Who Moved My Cheese?" because then hopefully all this nonsense would stop...although I do get the impression sometimes that the guy in charge over at the RIAA just doesn't care about anything or anyone and just wants money so his business can continue exploiting people.


Hacked?
By wallijonn on 5/16/2008 11:09:58 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
evidence that investigators working for the RIAA were able to download music from her computer


Exactly how were they downloaded, by invisibly hacking and breaking in, then doing a plain copy from one machine to another? Did they send her an email which planted a trojan or bot? Did they break in without the user knowing that her machine was being spied upon? Did they install a root-kit? Did they take advantage of some spyware, virus or bot already on the machine (like an unsecured port)?

If they did, then the RIAA just lost the case. That would be akin to them breaking down your door and seeing that you had CDs in your home, along with flash memory cards and an iPod. Screaming "If you have an iPod then you are a pirate" doesn't prove anything.




RE: Hacked?
By masher2 on 5/16/2008 11:56:40 AM , Rating: 3
> "Exactly how were they downloaded, by invisibly hacking and breaking in..."

No. She made the songs freely available over the Kazaa network.


RE: Hacked?
By MScrip on 5/16/2008 1:10:29 PM , Rating: 2
> "No. She made the songs freely available over the Kazaa network."

And so did millions of other people that day. In fact, it's happening right now, everywhere. Millions of people are sharing songs at this moment. I wish they could fine everyone a little, instead of one woman $250,000.


RE: Hacked?
By just4U on 5/16/2008 1:35:37 PM , Rating: 2
That's a very good point you bring up there..


RE: Hacked?
By PitViper007 on 5/16/2008 1:42:02 PM , Rating: 1
And because millions of other people do the same thing as she did every day makes it right? I'm sorry, I don't think so. I'm against the Mafia-like tactics the RIAA uses just as much as anyone, but the evidence I saw in her case was overwhelming.

Also, for the record, $222,000 for 24 songs is WAY too much. I feel they have the punitive damages set so high that people don't believe that it could really be applied to them. Bring the fines down into the $50-$100 per instance/song and you have a more reasonable deterrent.


RE: Hacked?
By just4U on 5/16/2008 2:17:02 PM , Rating: 2
That's the point he was making tho. Millions of others (in theory) were doing it that day and probably every day since.. the amount she was fined seems excessive just on that fact alone.

Plus the tactics used to find out what she was doing were really no better then her having the songs being shared. In my opinion the two cancel each other out. It's such a huge gray area that needs to be redifined.


RE: Hacked?
By AntiM on 5/16/2008 1:22:13 PM , Rating: 2
The Kazaa shared folder is there for everyone to see and to copy files from, and as far as I know, you can copy files to it as well. It has to make you wonder about the intelligence of these people that are getting caught. Wouldn't a simple firewall prevent this kind of snooping? These people must not have even the most basic of security measures in place.


RE: Hacked?
By Shawn5961 on 5/16/2008 4:09:15 PM , Rating: 2
It's the way these cases always work. You never see someone who has tens of thousands of pirated songs getting sued, because that gives people the mindset of, "Hey, I need to pirate thousands of songs to get in trouble, so downloading the new Britney Spears album is perfectly fine."

It's always the grandparent, the once a month computer user, or the mom that just wanted a song so her daughter could practice for her talent show, that get sued. It's so people see, "Wow, they downloaded three songs and got sued over a hundred thousand dollars, I better not do it."


RE: Hacked?
By mindless1 on 5/16/2008 9:38:19 PM , Rating: 2
No, those are just the ones who did it few enough times to feel they should get away with it, or the exceptional cases that were newsworthy.

I'm not saying they should be fined such an excessive amount, on the contrary if a song is $1 a download it should have a similar penalty. Some might say this doesn't deter but deterrance is not an acceptible avenue through civil proceedings.


RE: Hacked?
By plinkplonk on 5/18/2008 5:23:15 AM , Rating: 2
surely the amount they should pay is the amount the song is worth...(i.e. price of album it is on / number of tracks) rather than "right we reckon this song is worth $30,000 to us so we're gonna make them pay $30,000 for every track they've got"

... no?


RE: Hacked?
By joex444 on 5/16/2008 2:50:20 PM , Rating: 2
AS I recall, Kazaa came bundled with a butt load of spyware.

We would need a full source code dissemination of MediaSentry's bot to find out if it made advantage of any of these insecurities introduced by malicious software bundled with Kazaa (insecurities they would have known about as most users would not have known about the malware).

I do find a problem in using copyright infringement to prove a case. What I mean is that to prove that Thomas infringed copyrights, the RIAA needs to infringe their own copyrights by downloading from Thomas.

And since they claim Thomas had songs with "known pirate signatures" on them, that doesn't prove she infringed. It proves (with md5 hashes anyways) that she lied about ripping her own CDs. The RIAA is not interested in leechers, so downloading the songs isn't really illegal. It is illegal for the uploader. So, that proves she lied, not that she was a pirate of some 1700 songs (or the 24 they're claiming). Moreover, I believe it is legal to download MP3 versions of songs from a CD you legally purchased (or a tape, or an old vinyl record). Especially with vinyl, it is hard to convert to CD, so downloading becomes easy. It is uploading those downloaded songs to another user which is illegal.

Therefore, since the RIAA legally owned the songs she uploaded, it was not an illegal transaction. Meaning, the RIAA was entitled to download the songs, so Thomas did not illegally upload them. She in fact legally uploaded them.

To prove piracy requires proof that she uploaded them to someone who does not own a license to the music (licenses being physical CDs, tapes, or vinyl). This not only requires proof that someone else downloaded it, but knowledge of who that person is and a complete list of their purchased music.


RE: Hacked?
By plinkplonk on 5/18/2008 5:29:42 AM , Rating: 2
dude seriously just go ahead and email this to the RIAA and explain to them what's up because you clearly know more than they do about their conduct (no sarcasm!)


Analogy
By compy386 on 5/16/2008 4:00:09 PM , Rating: 1
"attorneys for the RIAA compared this to someone displaying pirate DVDs for sale at a table"

This is a terrible analogy. By that logic if I copied a bunch of my CDs and left them in my garage, I'd be committing copyright infringement because someone could come in and steal them.




RE: Analogy
By JustTom on 5/16/2008 4:16:45 PM , Rating: 2
Your analogy is not much better since the purpose of the Kazaa shard folder is to make content available to anyone on that network. They were not illegally taken from her computer; copied CD's removed from your garage would be larceny.Now, if you were to put a sign out in front of your house that said "Free CD's no questions asked" you'd be closer to what happened here. Try it, see what happens.



RE: Analogy
By Oregonian2 on 5/16/2008 7:48:23 PM , Rating: 2
Or if you sat them on a public picnic table in a park.


RE: Analogy
By mindless1 on 5/16/2008 9:42:32 PM , Rating: 2
Not quite the same, there was no clear offering rather an abandonment scenario more akin to deleting the files instead of having in a shared folder, though if someone could upload to that folder or (s)he wasn't actually aware it was shared by the software then intent seems missing even if blame is still somewhat justified.


RE: Analogy
By emmet on 5/19/2008 4:12:19 AM , Rating: 2
Neither analogy is particularly useful.

The problem is that the RIAA, MPAA, and the software industry have always tried to conflate theft with copyright violation and promote this false equivalence whenever possible. These analogies both buy in to that notion and show why it is specious.

The music industry have whined about every audio reproduction innovation for over 100 years: recordable CDs, recordable audio cassettes, and so on, going right back to Sousa complaining to Congress that the gramophone would destroy the music business, which at the time depended on sheet-music sales.

This time around, they have succeeded in having copyright violation turned into a criminal offense in many jurisdictions through political lobbying. But persuading a few politicians (with weak arguments and large donations), and changing public opinion are two different things. Unless they manage to do the latter -- the comments above suggest that they have had limited success -- these laws may simply be nullified by juries.


Jury concept is so primitive
By FS on 5/16/2008 3:25:08 PM , Rating: 2
The whole jury system is absurd and I can't believe it's still being used. I didn't deduce this just from this case, so don't say it's just an exception. If you check even some of the cases in history, you'll know what I am saying. When people, who have little to no knowledge of a particular matter, are making the decision(yes, it goes for life and death decisions too) is in and of itself an absurd thing.




RE: Jury concept is so primitive
By joex444 on 5/16/2008 3:39:09 PM , Rating: 2
Even worse is the jurors chosen are the ones that are blatantly ignorant of legal proceedings.

Guaranteed way to get off a jury is to tell the prosecutor you know what Jury Nullification is.

In fact, it is up to the jury to decide TWO things:

1) Is the defendant guilty of the crime alledged?
2) Is the law something we need?

Even if we acknowledge that the defendant is guilty, it may be of a crime that we feel should not be enforced. Thus, a not guilty vote effectively sets precedent that this law is not going to be enforced. It will reduce the number of attempted legislations, and with enough rejected lawsuits would make the law obsolete.


RE: Jury concept is so primitive
By Some1ne on 5/16/2008 6:49:30 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, let's just appoint a legal czar to hand out decrees of guilt and innocence. That would work so much better, no?


RE: Jury concept is so primitive
By emmet on 5/19/2008 4:33:06 AM , Rating: 2
Let's not do that :)

The jury system may be the best way of determining guilt or innocence that we've thought of so far, but it's not perfect.

The jury system originated at a time when all crimes were easily understood by an average person, and it was reasonable to expect 12 average persons to understand the crime, the evidence, and the motive. Nowadays, I'm not so sure that such expectations are reasonable.

One might legitimately argue that some cases (perhaps complex technical fraud cases, for example), might be better heard by "expert" jurors. I would not be at all surprised if a great many white-collar criminals go free because a bewildered jury simply don't understand a case that might be crystal clear to a jury of forensic accountants.


Not anymore.
By Reclaimer77 on 5/16/2008 5:12:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
evidence that investigators working for the RIAA were able to download music from her computer is more than sufficient to win a second trial .


In another Daily Tech article a judge now ruled that you cannot violate your own copyrights. So I'm confused. If, in fact, the RIAA paid someone to steal their own copyrighted material off this persons PC, they shouldn't be able to use this as evidence in the new trial. Correct ?




RE: Not anymore.
By JustTom on 5/16/2008 11:38:49 PM , Rating: 2
Precedent only applies to those courts below the one that set the precedent. Since there hasn't been a case like this one decided by the Supreme Court differing regional circuits can have differing precedents.


RE: Not anymore.
By NullSubroutine on 5/17/2008 7:47:10 AM , Rating: 2
Thats not entirely true. You can cite precedents from other juristictions and the judge can take those into consideration. The difference is that the judge has to typically obey precedents from courts above themselves, this one is an optional interrpretation. This happens often in state to state cases where no legal precedent occurs within the juristiction or where current precedent doesn't accurately protray the current circumstances.

The judge can take a look at the Flordia descision and since I assume this is Federal copyright law, the Flordia descision would have be given greater weight.


Copyright infringement case, not 'piracy' case
By RayBeckerman on 5/16/2008 10:31:24 AM , Rating: 3
It was a copyright infringement case, not a "piracy" case. "Piracy" means large scale reproduction of exact copies for commercial gain. There was nothing like that alleged here.




By Ananke on 5/16/2008 12:15:06 PM , Rating: 2
So the Big Music Boys realized that people get scared so much, that their business becomes more and more unpopular...and consumer starts playing online console games instead listening to Britney :). And, I guess they also realized that old publishing studios cannot get in the console market already, since other behemots like EA, Sony and MS are well positioned there, not to mention the smaller players. OMG, God doesn't bless RIAA anymore?:):) I hope they will go the way of the dodo :)


RIAA and their supporters
By Eugenics on 5/16/2008 3:02:21 PM , Rating: 2
It is time we use the RIAA's logic on them and their supporters. All of them drive vehicles on roads that school buses travel on. Clearly driving on the road with the school bus means intent to slam their vehicles into those school buses and kill all those poor innocent children in a giant ball of fire. Death to them for planning to kill our children!




By JonnyDough on 5/16/2008 3:48:06 PM , Rating: 2
I feel a little like I'm watching Judge Judy. Not that I watch Judge Judy. I mean, I TOTALLY would, but it comes on during "The Young and the Restless" here. :-P




Something of note...
By chsh1ca on 5/16/2008 10:27:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
With precedent quickly shifting away from the content industry’s favor, the RIAA doesn’t seem fazed: “If we have to retry the case, we’ll do so without hesitation,” said RIAA attorney Richard Gabriel. Record companies can still prove that Thomas violated copyright, because files found on her computer have the same signatures as known pirated recordings – files that Thomas claims were copied from CDs.

If I take two separate computers and two separate CDs and rip them using the same version of all the ripping software involved (be it WMP or whatever) with the same configuration then the resulting files will have an identical signature. You might think that's a crazy amount of similarities, but how many people rip MP3s for their iPods and such and use a ripper that does CDDB lookup for id3 (the most likely way a difference would be apparent)?

I think there aren't NEARLY enough technical people being consulted on these kinds of cases, and it seems like a colossal waste of money.




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