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Controversial new anti-terror program orders mandatory fingerprinting on all foreigners

Foreign nationals entering and residing in Japan are now required to have their fingerprints and photographs taken by the Japanese government.

This new program is part of Japan’s own fight against terrorism, and the data it receives is cross-linked in international terrorist databases, as well as the country’s own blacklists.

On its first day of operation, the program netted five foreigners; their biometric data matched entries in a blacklist of over 800,000 foreign nationals who have somehow earned the ire of the Japanese government. Reports indicate that at least two of the people under investigation were foreign nationals from the Phillipines and China, and had been deported from Japan on prior occasions.

The remaining three’s details were not disclosed, although Japanese Foreign Ministry officials said that they are being held in cells within Narita International Airport and will likely be deported as well. A different report that appeared in the Japanese-language version of MSN (original Japanese, translated) indicates three out of the five may have been caught for having producing “altered or falsified passports,” – an offense that may not be related to the fingerprinting system at all, which has caused some to call the true effectiveness of the program into question.

The fingerprinting program has generated a firestorm of controversy, and the Japanese government stands accused of taking an anti-foreigner stance. Protestors, gathering last Tuesday outside the foreign ministry building in Tokyo, Japan, shouted chants and called the government “racist” and “xenophobic,” among other things.

Sonoko Kawakami, serving as the campaign coordinator for Amnesty International Japan and organizer for the Tuesday protests, said that the fingerprinting program is “an expression of Japanese xenophobia. Japan is using this system as a tool to control foreigners,” and noted that “for the past few years, the government has been associating foreigners with things like crime and terrorism.”

A similar, previous fingerprinting program in Japan was scuttled in 2000 over concerns about privacy and the preservation of human rights. “This system is ostensibly an anti-terrorism measure, but … only applying the system to foreigners shows a lack of consideration for foreigners' human rights. Even though the system of fingerprinting foreigners was completely abolished in April 2000, it's infuriating that the Japanese government has reinstated this … entry inspection system,” said Lim Young-Ki, a representative for the Korean Youth Association in Japan.

Catherine Campbell of the National Union of General Workers Nanbu, an organization that includes many foreigners, agreed with Lim and noted that the program is a “big step backward and I really think it's sad.”



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well my opinion
By meepstone on 11/23/2007 11:49:36 PM , Rating: 4
I myself am an American and I could care less if this is discrimination against foreigners or not. If it stops criminals from getting into their country why not do it? the ends justify the means of making someone taking a fingerprint and running a background check on their paperwork. I mean honestly, it isnt that big of a deal. if you pissed off about this you might as well be pissed off that you have to sign up and get paperwork and take a fingerprint for a passport.




RE: well my opinion
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/24/2007 12:50:45 AM , Rating: 5
In my opinion, Japan is one of the most xenophobic places I've ever been. The fact that any protesters showed up at all was a little surprising to me.

Of course, here in the U.S. was already have digital fingerprinting -- US-VISIT. I didn't notice any protesters when that got turned on.


RE: well my opinion
By JTKTR on 11/24/2007 1:43:00 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Of course, here in the U.S. was already have digital fingerprinting


Sir, have you been drinking tonight?


RE: well my opinion
By Lifted on 11/24/2007 2:49:23 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, and the U.S was the first to do this I believe.


RE: well my opinion
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/24/2007 3:04:39 AM , Rating: 2
s/was/we/


RE: well my opinion
By crystal clear on 11/24/2007 10:43:31 AM , Rating: 1
Ever tried getting a Visa to the USA......????? passport holders of different nationalities.

Especially if you have middle eastern sounding name or passport.

Wake up times have changed......


RE: well my opinion
By crystal clear on 11/24/2007 11:13:25 AM , Rating: 3
The United States began finger-printing and photographing foreigners at airports and seaports in the United States way back in Jan 2004.


RE: well my opinion
By Zoomer on 11/24/2007 11:04:08 PM , Rating: 3
Plus interview + background checks for visas. Fastest turn around time is about 1 week.


RE: well my opinion
By JTKTR on 11/24/2007 2:40:11 PM , Rating: 5
It was a joke about his grammar, not about the fingerprinting...


RE: well my opinion
By flurazepam on 11/27/2007 1:04:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Of course, here in the U.S. was already have digital fingerprinting -- US-VISIT. I didn't notice any protesters when that got turned on.


Not true. Brazil had a strong reaction to fingerprinting at US entrances.

Brazil has made formal complaints and started fingerprinting and photographing all US citizens arriving at its main international airports. Source: BBC News, Jan 5,2004.


RE: well my opinion
By Rebel44 on 11/24/2007 6:28:08 AM , Rating: 1
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."


RE: well my opinion
By DigitalFreak on 11/24/2007 9:00:11 AM , Rating: 3
LOL The Japanese aren't giving up any of their liberties. If you're going to use that quote, at least do it in the right circumstance.


RE: well my opinion
By Rebel44 on 11/24/07, Rating: 0
RE: well my opinion
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/24/2007 11:59:46 AM , Rating: 2
It's a fear thing -- very little political action takes place in America that can't be compelled by fear. Nobody is afraid of dying in a drunk driving accident, but everyone is terrified of Osama bin Laden driving a trunk bomb through their Costco.

It almost makes you wonder, maybe if we weren't so afraid of terrorism (or whatever the evil of the world is this week), would people be more scared of the statistically threatening problems...


RE: well my opinion
By feraltoad on 11/25/2007 12:04:21 AM , Rating: 4
I'm worried about dying in a drunk driving accident. That's why I awlays where a helmet. That's the real reason us drunks always survive the crashes: helmets.


RE: well my opinion
By RandallMoore on 11/26/07, Rating: -1
RE: well my opinion
By SirLucius on 11/24/2007 12:04:45 PM , Rating: 3
That's all well and good, but it's still irrelevant. This is taking place in Japan, not the US, and it only applies to foreigners who don't have the same rights as Japanese citizens to begin with. Tell me, how have Japanese citizens lost any of their rights when this only affects foreigners coming into the country? Japanese laws, while similar in some ways to US laws, are different in others, so it's silly to apply our sense of liberty to theirs. Japan has always had strict policies on foreigners. This is nothing new.


RE: well my opinion
By howtochooseausername on 11/25/2007 1:34:17 AM , Rating: 1
The reason for the concern with Japan is that there has been no foreign terrorism in Japan, not even the threat of it. Knowing Japan's culture and past, people rightfully, call this an act of xenophobia, not security.
When Japan occupied Corea, they forced many of the best and brightest people to work in Japan, yet denied them any rights. Even their descendants who had lived in Japan for generations are denied citizenship.
Same thing happened when Japan occupied China.


RE: well my opinion
By FITCamaro on 11/25/07, Rating: 0
RE: well my opinion
By RaisedinUS on 11/24/2007 12:32:13 PM , Rating: 2
"send someone to Guantanamo without trial(which I think is against Constitution)."
This statement shows just how little most know of the US Constitution. These people were enemy combatants, supposedly caught on the field of battle. Most of them were NOT US citizens so the Constitution wouldn't apply to them. And then there's the issue of Guantanamo not being in the US.
Equating acts of terrorism to car accidents is a poor comparison. Why not ban cars, planes, trains, cigarettes, alcohol, toys from China, etc.?
"forcing us to give our fingerprints"
If you're talking about obtaining a Visa or Passport then you have the option of not getting one.
As for "privacy", have we really had "privacy" in our lifetime? I mean ATM's have cameras, banks do, the Quickie mart does, schools do and on and on.
Unless someone can come up with better solutions and sell them to our government, we have what we have. Do I like it? Mostly not but there is no perfect solution. Wouldn't it be great if the whole world got along? Yes it would but that's more of a Fantasy Island than reality.


RE: well my opinion
By Alexstarfire on 11/24/2007 7:29:53 PM , Rating: 3
Illegal immigrants shouldn't have the same rights as a US citizen, yet most of them do. Just because something makes sense logically doesn't mean it actually works out that way. Even POWs have rights, not that I understand why.

As for privacy. I don't consider the public a place of privacy. Privacy has to do with what I do on private land, whether that be mine or someone elses. Of course, if it's on someone elses land then I'm at their mercy, but even then it's still more private than a public area like an ATM machine or gas station. They may be privately owned, but it's not like a house. If something interferes with my privacy in my own home, then we have a problem.


RE: well my opinion
By Zoomer on 11/24/2007 11:06:48 PM , Rating: 2
It is to stop treating POWs like crap.

For example:
What if you get female POWs? ("Comfort Women")
POWs as human shields?
POWs as free labour?
POWs as punching bags?

That's why the geneva convention assigned some rights to POWs.


RE: well my opinion
By RaisedinUS on 11/24/2007 11:30:05 PM , Rating: 3
Oh? Other than a few isolated incidents, they are treated rather well, certainly better than they treat our soldiers and I believe they still have their heads attached. I also don't think their bodies have been dragged, hanged nor burned. But I could be wrong. Where where these Geneva convention rules when Daniel Pearle lost his head? How about the civilians in the WTC that were were blown up? But I guess it's all Americas fault, as always. War is never pretty.


RE: well my opinion
By howtochooseausername on 11/25/07, Rating: 0
RE: well my opinion
By RaisedinUS on 11/25/2007 1:52:32 AM , Rating: 2
And what of those released that went back to the fighting, killing civilians and soldiers alike? Have you ever READ the Geneva Conventions? I think not or you'd see things like this:
a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation , cruel treatment and torture;

(b) Taking of hostages ;

(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
I guess be headings, torture, rape and murder buy persons NOT in uniform don't matter to you.
You would also see these:
(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance ;

(c) That of carrying arms openly ;

(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war .
Please, get off your high horse. Why were these "poor guy" participating in a firefight? Were they being used as human shields? Do mistakes happen? Sure, no denying that.
You and others are holding different standards for different people, not what the Geneva Conventions had in mind I'll wager.
"It's like the Nazis saying that the French Resistance were "enemy combatants" and therefore the Geneva Convention didn't apply."
Not a very good comparison as the French were invaded and they were on their own home soil.
"You don't suddenly get to choose when you apply the convention." Isn't that what you are doing?


RE: well my opinion
By howtochooseausername on 11/25/2007 2:06:49 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
And what of those released that went back to the fighting, killing civilians and soldiers alike?


Who were these people? Do you have any credible source for that statement?

It is my personal assertion that the Geneva convention should apply in keeping with the spirit of the law's creation.

The people in GitMo were captured outside of the US. Much like my analogy. We invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. And just to remind everyone, there were no WMDs, and no Osama.

And I admit that I am taking the moral high ground. Not to say that I am superior or anything, but rather that it is a reflection of the kind of place I want to live in. I have always believed that morality does not have to conflict with real life.


RE: well my opinion
By RaisedinUS on 11/25/2007 2:16:57 AM , Rating: 2
" We invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. And just to remind everyone, there were no WMDs, and no Osama."
Ahhh, a liberal. You can't ever get past the "lies for oil" propaganda. If you watched the Bush speech for going to war, you'd have seen WMD's were a small part of it. Saddam had and used WMD's on his own people, the Curds and Iranians. Do you deny this? Just because we found only a few isn't proof he had none. You really need to get out more and stop reading Kos for all things news.


RE: well my opinion
By howtochooseausername on 11/27/2007 4:04:34 PM , Rating: 2
Let me first address your line:
quote:
Ahhh, a liberal.

Does what I say suddenly have a different relevance because you've assigned a label to me? Would people whom you describe as "left handers" have less believable arguments? You are now attacking me, rather than debating the facts.

We found NO WMDs. None!

And the whole point of invading Iraq was the threat of WMDs and therefore a violation of UN sanctions. That's why Collin Powell went to the UN to try and get some sort of sanction. He couldn't because we didn't have any evidence.

I watched the speeches carefully and the single most prominent reason for going to war was because of WMDs. And there were none. I fail to see how any rational person would dispute this.

And it's interesting that we are now helping the Turks attack our old allies the Kurds.

Let's assume the cause of this invasion was to deliver liberty to people who lived under tyranny. So why Iraq? Why not Zimbabwe, or North Corea, or even send some descent number of troops to Afghanistan to actually take down the Taliban?


RE: well my opinion
By barjebus on 11/28/2007 1:33:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ahhh, a liberal.


Wow, QED, argument is DONE. Well played my friend.

Or you could examine the fact that this terrible dictator was put in place by who? Uhmm...America? OH YEAH! Thats riiight, we got him in there so he could fight the Iranians for us...why would we want to fight the Iranians? OH YEAH! We were stealing their oil through a totally corrupt ruler named the Shah of Iran! And where did those WMD's come from? OH YEAH! From the war against Iran in which we funded and armed Saddam! And so now who are we talking about invading these days? OH YEAH! Iran and Iraq!

So now that we've established that nearly ALL OF THIS situation is due to the U.S. messing in Middle Eastern affairs, we can examine at who are the victims of all this: The middle eastern peoples. Hundreds of thousands died in the war between Iran and Iraq that we where we used Saddam as a proxy. Hundreds of thousands have died in Iraq as a result of the U.S. invading. And what for? To eliminate a threat? IRAQ HAS NO WEAPONS! Who would they have invaded? And with what? They collapsed in the space of a few days for frick sakes. WHERE WAS THE THREAT? What on EARTH could possibly posses the U.S. to invade a country that had really no offensive capabilities?

OH YEAH! OIL!

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2007/0925...

Iraq's oil reserves have been snapped up by large oil conglomerates. I think that says it all.


RE: well my opinion
By RaisedinUS on 11/25/2007 2:38:17 AM , Rating: 3
"Who were these people? Do you have any credible source for that statement?"
Define credible, if you mean Kos or Oprah, then no.
http://mytakeonit.blogeasy.com/article.view.run?ar...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017573.php
The links have expired on the first article.


RE: well my opinion
By howtochooseausername on 11/27/2007 4:09:05 PM , Rating: 2
I neither watch Oprah or read kos. But I dispute your assertion. Show me something official, like from the Pentagon or even a network news channel I might believe it. Until then you're just making things up.


RE: well my opinion
By themadmilkman on 11/24/2007 10:58:31 PM , Rating: 2
Where, exactly, does the Constitution limit ALL of its protections to citizens of the United States? Yes, certain protections are limited to citizens, but those that are likely involved in the example you give are not so limited.

Amendment XIV, Section 1: "...nor shall any State deprive ANY PERSON of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law, nor deny to any person WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION the equal protection of the laws."

Amendment VIII: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. (No mention of who is protected)

Now, there may be other arguments to state that Guantanamo Bay and the trials held there are legal, but your supposition that the Constitution only applies to US Citizens is NOT the argument that validates it.


RE: well my opinion
By RaisedinUS on 11/24/2007 11:15:30 PM , Rating: 2
Try going to Cuba, China, Russia or Iran and spout the Constitution and how you demand the rights afforded in it, see what it gets you. The Constitution was drafted for US citizens, not for illegals. It also doesn't apply to enemy combatants. Wishing it doesn't make it correct.
"your supposition that the Constitution only applies to US Citizens is NOT the argument that validates it."
Supposition? LOL I guess you think YOUR supposition is the correct one? I think not. With your(flawed) logic, we would have lost every war we ever had or will have. Basically, your argument is not valid. Please try again.


RE: well my opinion
By howtochooseausername on 11/25/2007 1:46:44 AM , Rating: 3
It really boils down to what kind of a world you want to live in.

There seems to be more and more people today who don't want anything to do with what's outside of the US. Who think that because we are stronger that we should just have our way.

Prior to Regan there was a real sense of leadership on the World stage. That the US should lead with moral authority, and try to make the world a better place. Ideals that all human life was valuable, not just those fortunate enough to have been born in this Country.

So many of the people posting here are so caviler about what they say because they live such comfortable lives. They don't realize that this standard of living is due to the hard earned rights and freedoms by others. It's like standing on the shoulders of others and then pissing on them.


RE: well my opinion
By RaisedinUS on 11/25/2007 2:01:38 AM , Rating: 2
"Prior to Regan there was a real sense of leadership on the World stage."
LMAO Carter??????? Iranian hostage Carter? 20%+ interest rates, sky high oil prices, he was a walking, talking joke! You are too funny tonight! Carter himself proved you CAN'T reason with some people. I guess old Ron was a wussy that rolled over to every demand and threat. Right.
"They don't realize that this standard of living is due to the hard earned rights and freedoms by others." Amen to that. But yet you want to afford our Constitutional rights ( bought and paid for by the blood and limbs of our countrymen) to those that neither earned, understand nor deserve it.
"It really boils down to what kind of a world you want to live in." I want to live in reality, not some made up fantasy world. How about you?


RE: well my opinion
By howtochooseausername on 11/25/2007 2:28:41 AM , Rating: 2
Right, because the Iran hostage situation was Carter's fault, not the US support for the corrupt Shaw. And the worst that inflation got during Carter's term was 12%. And again that was due to our dependency on foreign oil. Carter made a bad situation worse by appointing Miller to the Fed, but before the end of his presidency he replaced Miller with Volcker. Reagan kept Volcker.

Carter showed that good social policies are not enough, you need good monitory policy. Hence the successes of Clinton, Blair, Chretien and Fox.

The fact of this debate is that neither of us can claim to represent "reality". Except I'm striving for something, and you appear to be mired in your version of the world.


RE: well my opinion
By RaisedinUS on 11/25/2007 2:53:06 AM , Rating: 2
"Right, because the Iran hostage situation was Carter's fault"
OMG, you really on your game tonight. Carter was President, he was running the show. 444 days as hostages, against the Geneva Conventions I might add. All Carters sanctions and tongue wagging got him nowhere.
"Hence the successes of Clinton, Blair, Chretien and Fox."
You may want to find better examples.
"Carter showed that good social policies are not enough,"
Carter showed the word how weak and spineless he was, nothing more. I remember those days all too well. Double digit inflation, unemployment around 10%.
"Except I'm striving for something, and you appear to be mired in your version of the world." Same can be said of you and your Fantasy Island version of the US. Good luck with that.


RE: well my opinion
By RaisedinUS on 11/24/2007 11:41:28 PM , Rating: 2
We the People of the United States , in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
What is the first thing you read in the Constitution? See above. I see nothing of including illegals, nothing at all, let alone combatants. Please read the Constitution before trying to rewrite it.


RE: well my opinion
By Butaneko on 11/25/2007 1:37:46 AM , Rating: 3
The preamble tells us who established the constitution and the intentions behind its establishment. It does not, by any means, restrict who the language of the constitution is to refer to.

Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

And no, "person", in the context of the constitution is by no means meant to exclusively refer to citizens. If you want to confirm this yourself, look for sentences that include both terms.

That all said, it's case law that carries the true weight in the end in terms of the actual current interpretation of the constitution. And in regards to that, to be honest, I personally don't have all that high a degree of familiarity.


RE: well my opinion
By RaisedinUS on 11/25/2007 2:10:19 AM , Rating: 2
"The preamble tells us who established the constitution and the intentions behind its establishment. It does not, by any means, restrict who the language of the constitution is to refer to."
Yes it does, We the people of the United States . No matter how you try to twist it, bend it, add or take away, it still says the same thing. It does not say all people, everywhere across the globe, sorry. We have some nice parting gifts for you.
"current interpretation of the constitution"
Ummmmm.......that's what is penned in the first sentence, plain as day and needs no interpretation.
"by no means meant to exclusively refer to citizens." Got proof? Please show it. The Constitution was written for American citizens, as it clearly shows, simple.


RE: well my opinion
By Butaneko on 11/25/2007 2:40:37 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure I even care to carry on a conversation with you, but please, explain how the preamble explicitly restricts who and/or what the language of the constitution refers to.

You should also note that the constitution is not written, at least in terms of the function of its language, to establish the rights of any people, US citizens or otherwise. It is written primarily to establish the limits of the rights of the federal government of the US.

As for the proof you seek regarding my statement that "person" does not refer exclusively to US citizens, I already provided you with more than enough information to access such evidence. I'm running under the theory, however, that you're too dense to figure it out.


RE: well my opinion
By RaisedinUS on 11/25/2007 3:03:42 AM , Rating: 1
"please, explain how the preamble explicitly restricts who and/or what the language of the constitution refers to."
Since you asked, how about:

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
""person" does not refer exclusively to US citizens"
What part of We the People of the United States isn't clear to you? By your reasoning, the Preamble is just a few meaningless words.
"I'm not sure I even care to carry on a conversation with you"
I'm feeling the same way about you.


RE: well my opinion
By Butaneko on 11/25/2007 12:50:24 PM , Rating: 2
Did your thought process go something like this?

"OMG, he saw right though my empty claim that the preamble explicitly establishes that all instances of 'person' refer exclusively to US citizens. I'll have to pretend like he didn't request that I explain how the preamble can actually be read like that. I think I'll just throw up a random part of the constitution that includes the word 'citizen' in it. Maybe the first part of the 14th amendment. Sure, it won't provide any real substance to what I'm claiming, but it will probably produce just enough smoke for me to get through this argument and win! Oh, and for good measure, I'll also just accuse him and his assertion as making the preamble meaningless. Sure, he already stated very explicitly his understanding of what the preamble's purpose and meaning are, but he won't notice that. Hot dawg, I'm clever!"

Learn to coherently participate in debate, and maybe I'll respond to you in another thread. Cyas.


RE: well my opinion
By Hawkido on 11/30/2007 5:42:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
giving security forces right to search someones house without warrant or send someone to Guantanamo without trial(which I think is against Constitution).


Searching someone's house without warrant would be against the constitution.... however, has this happened? What proof do you have that it happened? No US citizens were sent to Gitmo unless they were apprehended with the enemy in a foriegn war zone. As such they are a prisoner of war and can be treated as such, unless you want them tried as a civilian traitor? Cause that is pretty much the death penality or life in Federal "Pound me in the Ass" Prison.

The Constitution only protects those who are US Citizens. It makes recommendations as to how we are to treat the rest of the world, but the Founding Fathers were smart enough to realize that the rest of the world will not always share our views nor our beliefs.

All the laws made after 9/11 deal with privacy and foriegn dealings. Mainly, these laws are a proxy that requires you to sacrifice some privacy if you wish to deal with foriegners.


RE: well my opinion
By Christopher1 on 11/24/07, Rating: -1
RE: well my opinion
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 11/26/2007 12:16:07 PM , Rating: 2
I'd like to know where you got that 90% from.


RE: well my opinion
By GTK on 11/25/2007 11:02:19 PM , Rating: 2
This legislation was forced through the Diet by the Prime Minister despite a 90% public opinion poll against the initiative. Prime Minister Hatoyama literally said, "A friend of a friend" was an operative in Al-Qaeda and that he entered Japan disguising himself with mustaches and beards... which of course couldn't fool an electronic fingerprinting machine! Furthermore, he said that the Al-Qaeda 'friend of a friend' had given warnings about Bali bombings in 2002... Erm... excuse me... so a 'friend of a friend' warned about the bombings in Bali... and you didn't act on them... and what is the Prime Minister of Japan doing with a friend who is a friend of an Al-Qaeda operative? Honestly, that seems to be the stupidest cover story to defend a piece of entirely unnecessary legislation I've ever heard of. Does he not realize that in addition to being entirely unbelievable, that story also makes him look HORRIBLE in the process? I'd also like to note that Japan has not had a SINGLE act of terrorism committed by foreigners since World War II... and what happened in World War II were acts of war, not acts of terrorism.

I'm an American teaching English in Japan. This is my third year in the country, and the above legislation bothered me... but not enough to act until I learned that the Japanese government is cutting subsidies to the JET Program (A program that brings foreign English teachers to Japan to provide both English lessons and cultural exchange). Starting next year prefectures will no longer receive subsidies for the hiring of JETs. So far seven of Japan's forty-five prefectures have announced they are leaving the JET Program due to its high cost. In a few years cities and other municipalities will also lose their subsidies. Once I learned that the JET Program was losing funding at the exact same time the Japanese government will be spending gross amounts of money on this biometric data collection program, I really have become outraged. There is an online petition asking for the repeal of the biometric data collection law, which I urge you to sign here:

http/www.ipetitions.com/petition/fingerprints-jap an/=3fe
"Abolition of Non Japanese fingerprinting program"
This is what I wrote:

I am an American citizen living in Japan. I am offended that the Japanese government would consider funding such a project at a time when they are cutting funding to the JET Program (as well as to education in general), which provides children in schools and entire communities with international cultural exchanges that would otherwise be impossible. Japan has not suffered a single terrorist attack from foreigners since World War II. The public policy of cutting funding to educational intercultural exchange, while at the same time spending vast sums of money to implement a biometric data collection scheme seems highly xenophobic. Japan needs to teach its children to cooperate and interact with the international world, not fear it!

The media (which is controlled to a disturbing degree by the government) has been portraying foreigners as criminals and untrustworthy for years. The news is constantly filled with stories of crimes commited by foreigners and horribly misleading statistics of rising crime rates amongst the foreign population. These reports fail to point out that the total number of violent crimes has been decreasing each year for about the last ten years, while the number of foreigners living in Japan grows each year. The only 'crime' that is growing is that of people over staying their VISAs. I really enjoy living in Japan, but the xenophobia really beats me down sometimes.


RE: well my opinion
By Hawkido on 11/30/2007 5:54:15 PM , Rating: 2
Hi, I am an American. If I went to Japan and they wanted to Fingerprint me and do a background check on me. No Problem. It is their country and if I want to get in their country I will do what they want. However, if feel they need to probe my anus before I enter the country I will say no thanks and get back on the plane and go home.

I suggest you do they same, if the price of admission is too much for you, then don't go. Else, Shut Up and let others do with their country what they will. YOU HAVE NO SAY!

I sure bet Hitler wished he had some say about the US helping the UK and the rest of Europe dueing WWII, huh?

"I'm doing something wrong and how dare someone else find out about it!!!! That's my privacy you violated and kept me from killing small children and women!!" --Liberal Mantra of protect the guilty from justice, damn the victims to jail.


I dont understand...
By DBZLuisD on 11/24/2007 9:40:34 AM , Rating: 3
I really don't understand why taking finger prints and photos of the aliens in japan would be a xenophobic action.
There are no violations to human rights or something like that, and many countries (Like the US) do the same...




RE: I dont understand...
By mdogs444 on 11/24/2007 9:54:47 AM , Rating: 2
I dont see this as any type of violation of anything what so ever. Its called protecting your homeland at all costs - and its what the US used to do before many of our people turned into cry babies.

Another thing to remember is that "human rights" are different in every country. What we consider human rights in the US, may be different than what human rights are considered in Japan, or any other country.

Screening non citizens to know exactly who they are, why they are here, and whether they are allowed to be here is 100% needed security and violates NO rights - because those people coming into the country are not citizens and do not have the same rights as citizens of the country.


RE: I dont understand...
By Etsp on 11/24/2007 2:37:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Its called protecting your homeland at all costs
Isn't that what Soviet Russia did? to ensure MAD stayed in balance they continued the arms race that destroyed their economy for the sake of
quote:
protecting your homeland at all costs
When the "at all costs" part ends up including the entire economy...thats a bit over the line in this instance. The only time that kind of protection is necessary is when a nation is fending off a military force of an invading nation.


RE: I dont understand...
By mdogs444 on 11/24/2007 5:01:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Isn't that what Soviet Russia did? to ensure MAD stayed in balance they continued the arms race that destroyed their economy for the sake of

You do realize this is much different than the Cold War, correct? This is about national security, not an international war.

quote:
The only time that kind of protection is necessary is when a nation is fending off a military force of an invading nation.

In this case, in regards to terrorism or an extremist who may try to come into a country, thats exactly what this is trying to prevent against.

quote:
When the "at all costs" part ends up including the entire economy...thats a bit over the line in this instance.

Again, that is in reference to the cold war, in which for Russia was not about protecting its homeland. It was about showing brute force to other nations - including its own small states (USSR) by means of communism. All that did was prove that Russia was targeting war, not building a larger military for the sake of peace of its country or to protect its own citizens - much less worrying about the sake of its country's economy.


RE: I dont understand...
By Hawkido on 11/30/2007 6:13:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
ensure MAD stayed in balance


Uh, check your facts... The Soviets were the Aggressors...

quote:
protecting your homeland at all costs


All Soviet Russia had to do to protect it's homeland is stand down from it's aggressive stance.

MAD was to protect the western world from a crazy Communist world. List the countries that the US invaded to spread Democracy, let's see.... There's Iraq.... and that's about it.

Korea (Communist invasion)
Vietman (Communist Invasion)
Afganistan (Communist Invasion)
There are so many more that buckled so fast they didn't even make a headline.

Now how many despotic governments allied themselves with each side, The US had a few, but most have since became open societies, with some form of representative government.

As to the Communist blend? Either they have cast off Communism (Eastern Europe), or are still squalid despotisms (Cuba et al) with the closest thing to a success story being China, so long as you don't look too close at their horrendious track record of Human Rights violations, and astounding lack of civil liberties. Oh and don't dare try to oppose the government regulations there... they have been know to run people like that over with tanks (Another Soviet trick.)

The Country that did the "At All Costs" was the US... The Soviet's did everything but what they needed to do to survive, which was to simply bury the hatchet (if you don't know why the Soviet's were angry with the West after WWII then read up on it... it's a long story)


RE: I dont understand...
By hiscross on 11/24/2007 8:09:42 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, someone that has a clue. Let;s see, someone who dear to you is traveling home form a trip abroad. While to plane is safely in the air, a bunch of men, who normally live a cave, drive a camel to work, and makes their women cover their head and face in public, plus are not allowed an education or a say in the way their government is run, want to hi-jack the plane so they can get some of their buddies out of jail. Once they realize their demands won't be meant, they find it an honorable thing to do and have the plane crash into any building that is on their hate list. Yep, sure enough, it would out governments fault for not stopping them. We could have craved in and did what they asked. Like that would end it all. Let me clue to countless, clueless liberals out with a reality check, their people out their who really hate you because you are free. You have liberties that most people in this world will never have. We have a government who works hard to secure those liberties. So you have to wait a bit to catch a airplane. Better that plane arrives safely than be forced into hitting a building or whatever. If someone can find a better way, then I'm listening. Until then, just be grateful.


ALL foreigners???
By miahallen on 11/23/2007 11:42:01 PM , Rating: 4
I'm a US citizen residing in Japan (US Army), and I have not heard of this new program at all. I wonder if I am exempt under the SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement)?.......oh, hang on, just asked a friend, YES, we are exempt!




RE: ALL foreigners???
By Calin on 11/24/2007 3:44:31 AM , Rating: 2
You probably are exempt as long as you use official US military transportation/papers. If you try to enter as a civilian, you will probably be fingerprinted


RE: ALL foreigners???
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/24/2007 10:56:11 AM , Rating: 2
I'm going to head over there next month. They usually frown upon picture taking, but the worst they can do is send me back :)


RE: ALL foreigners???
By Michael Hoffman on 11/24/2007 9:47:29 PM , Rating: 2
Yep, U.S. military personnel are exempt from the gaijin immigration system! :) I am just glad I have a Japanese passport, allowing me to skip through all of this nonsense.


Security? Rofl
By xNIBx on 11/24/07, Rating: 0
RE: Security? Rofl
By RaisedinUS on 11/24/2007 12:43:56 PM , Rating: 2
"Does europe have a problem with illegal immigrants? Of course it has. Would closing the borders completely make any significant difference? Of course not. Walls dont solve anything."
Well, in places where they have actually built a fence on the border, their studies show a dramatic decrease in illegal crossings. Now granted all they have to do is move further down(or up) to the next town or city that has no fences or walls and enter. What is needed is the enforcement of existing laws.


RE: Security? Rofl
By DBZLuisD on 11/24/2007 12:45:41 PM , Rating: 2
It's obvious that this measure is not really for the security reasons, because there are almost no terrorist attacks in japan.
The last one was made by some crazy Japanese nationals in the Tokyo Metro system. This measure is created in order to get US in the table and say them "Look, we are also fighting against terrorism" and get some privileges from the US.
But anyway, this is just some stupid security measure that really doesn't affect at all tourism, because it is fast, it's like 4 seconds more on customs and that's all. This measure doesn't affect privacy or human rights.
If you don't like this meassures just don't visit japan and that's all.


RE: Security? Rofl
By RaisedinUS on 11/24/2007 12:54:15 PM , Rating: 2
Could it be Japan is surrounded by water ? Possibly a natural wall/barrier?


RE: Security? Rofl
By XtremeM3 on 11/28/2007 12:48:24 AM , Rating: 2
This is not any type of a magical fix. This is used as a deterent only. Based on what you said, deterents do nothing. Not so, as deterents are used everyday quite effectively. I'm willing to bet that you lock your doors to your home, as well as your car. Now locks are not a magical fix, but are merely a deterent. Now if a thief really wanted to get in, then they would. Locks do not make a house/car inpenetrable. So by your above stated logic, you shouldn't lock your doors because it won't stop everyone. Correct? Thanks, but I'll keep locking my doors.

I don't disagree that you can't stop everyone. It's impossible to stop everyone from getting in. However, making it harder for people instead of sending them invitations is the better plan, imho.


An Australian in Japan and US
By lco45 on 11/26/2007 5:24:51 AM , Rating: 3
Hi All,

I'm an Australian who used to live in Japan, and have also been in the US recently.

When I was living in Japan (1993/1994) I had to get the 'Alien Registration' card, which needed a fingerprint.

Recently I visited the US for about the 7th time, but the first time since the new US-VISIT laws, so got fingerprinted and retina-scanned.

Personally I can't understand how anyone can complain about these measures, as I think it's perfectly reasonable to fully identify someone as they enter your country.
I mean, surely the point of even a basic passport is to verify the identity of the passport holder.

If I had my own country I'd want to know who the hell was coming in! especially nowadays with so many people with a beef against the US...

Also it's not like you're getting smeared with ink when giving fingerprints, it's all done by a digital (no pun intended) scan, and I've always found the immigration officials to be friendly and polite.

It is true that Japan is very xenophobic, so much so that they are hardly aware of it, genuinely feeling that people are either Japanese or they aren't. Still, nice place to live.

Luke




RE: An Australian in Japan and US
By oTAL on 11/30/2007 1:47:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It is true that Japan is very xenophobic, so much so that they are hardly aware of it , genuinely feeling that people are either Japanese or they aren't. Still, nice place to live.


VERY true (emphasis mine)! The weird thing is that I can't help to think that they do have a few reasons to think less of foreigners. Individually I wouldn't place Japanese above any other people of whatever race/color, but socially they do have amazing qualities I have never seen elsewhere (and I do travel a lot).

Obviously there is a downside to that and the social pressure must be overwhelming on occasion... I'd love to know the suicide/depression statistics in japan...
Let's just say that if you have a cold that is noticeable (runny nose/whatever) and your not wearing a mask, then you are considered a bad neighbor/citizen/person. And you feel that!


Just every country is doing it...
By crystal clear on 11/24/2007 11:04:10 AM , Rating: 2
Nothing new-

Eye-scanning technology is being used at Heathrow Airport's busiest terminal to speed up immigration checks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/...

Compulsory fingerprinting forms part of the UK visa application process in just under 50% of countries.

The government hopes to collect prints from every applicant by April 2008.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/693613...




By ghost101 on 11/24/2007 1:14:53 PM , Rating: 2
But thats completely different. The eye-scanning thing is for anyone who travels frequently. You just use your passport with biometric data, at the check you have your scan done, its immeditely checked and bam youre through.

It isnt for increasing security.

The second one is to simply catch criminals after they have committed a crime. Again doesnt really apply to suicide bombers or very committed ones.


duh
By ADDAvenger on 11/23/2007 10:58:45 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, so they're hacked off because they're targeting foreigners, why don't they just make it mandatory for everybody in Japan, that way there's no way anybody can claim discrimination.

On a perhaps more serious note, this is idiotic...




RE: duh
By Christopher1 on 11/24/07, Rating: -1
RE: duh
By boredg on 11/24/2007 11:23:54 PM , Rating: 2
In Dubai, United Arab Emirates, certain nationals that require visas to enter the country are required to have their eye scanned and entered into a database.
If you think fingerprinting is invasive..well..


What is this big deal!
By Grast on 11/26/2007 11:17:45 AM , Rating: 2
I do not understand why everyone is so excited about this program. If we remove all of the pretence and excuses, the program collects the finger print and photo of every person which enters and I am assuming exits the country which are not citizens of Japan.

This type of information can be used for law enforcement purposes. If it is not, that is a waist of Japanese taxes and not my concern. A person already has to go through customs. If the Japanese government wants my picture and fingerprint, that is price of admission.




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