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Phone will reportedly feature Snapdragon 800, 3 GB of LPDDR3, and 1080p OLED screen

Android and Me is reporting on an interesting rumor about a supposed prototype for Google Inc.'s (GOOG) next generation Nexus phone (the fifth generation model).  Supposedly, LG Electronics, Inc. (KSC:066570) is competing for the contract with a model called "Megalodon", which appears to have a truly monstrous spec.

The Google-branded smartphones have been a tradition for Google since the 2010 Nexus One by HTC Corp. (TPE:2498).  The Nexus One was succeeded by the Nexus S (Dec. 2010), Galaxy Nexus (Nov. 2011) from Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930), Nexus 4 (Nov. 2012) by LG Electronics

LG will have to work hard to win another contract from Google.  While its Nexus 4 was well received and a hot seller, it was set back by troubling supply shortages during the 2012 holiday season.  A Google rep. described the supplies as "scarce and erratic" -- not exactly a glowing recommendation.

But the spec sheet on the Megalodon (if accurate) is hard not to love:
  • 5.2″ OLED Display with 1920×1080 resolution
  • Qualcomm Inc. (QCOM) Snapdragon 800 @ 2.3 GHz
  • 3GB LPDDR3 Ram
  • 16/32/64GB of internal storage
  • 16MP rear camera by OmniVision (4k video recording @30FPS, 1080p video recording @60FPS, Real Time HDR & HDR video recording, optical image stabilization, BSI 2.0)
  • 2.1MP front camera (1080p video recording @30FPS)
  • 3300 mAh Lithium Polymer battery
  • Front positioned stereo speakers
  • Qualcomm RF360 (LTE 150 Mbps & HSPA+)
  • Integrated DVB-T / ATSC-antenna
  • Gesture like controls (navigation, zoom, etc)
Nexus 5
A supposed picture of the "Megalodon" prototype. [Image Source: Android and Me]

The gesture control makes sense; it would put the device in line with Samsung's just-released Galaxy S IV.  The 1080p screen resolution is also pretty predictable; both the HTC One and the GSIV pack 1080p.  The surprises are the inclusion of OLED -- a technology LG is indeed pursuing hard -- the large battery, and the super-powerful Snapdragon 800.

The Snapdragon 800 won't be sampling till early next quarter, making the rumor a bit hard to believe.  If LG can pull off the device by the expected October launch date for the Nexus 5, it will have to snatch up much of the early production of Qualcomm's most prized upcoming high-end chip.

An image (above) also leaked, but it's hard to see whether the case will be metal or plastic (it looks like the rim is either metal or metallic toned plastic, at least).

Not all past "leaks" of Nexus products panned out; Sony Corp. (TYO:6758) was rumored to be working on a 5-inch Nexus prototype for holiday season last year; instead Google went with the 4.7-inch device from LG.

Source: Android and Me



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too big
By MadMan007 on 3/18/2013 1:54:54 PM , Rating: 3
The current Nexus 4 is just about the biggest size I want in a phone to maintain some semblance of one-handed use and portability. A 'phablet' Nexus phone is a bad idea, I hope this design doesn't win and there is a ~4.5-4.7" design. Lots of built-in memory is nice though.

Or, if there are two Nexus phones, one ~4.5" and one 5.5", that would be fine too.




RE: too big
By hughlle on 3/18/2013 2:22:28 PM , Rating: 2
Have to agree. 5.5" is just too large for me. I'm still on my old HTC desire, without an issue other than a desire for a better camera. For a phone, its 3.7" is more than sufficient. Although granted i am no doubt very much a minority. I have absolutely no desire to watch video's or play games on my phone. If i'm out and about, then i just consider it a bit sad to be spending my time on my phone in that manner, and if i am at home or such and fancy that kind of use, then i have my computer or a tablet. 5.5" is just not of any use to me.


RE: too big
By Breakfast Susej on 3/18/2013 3:26:19 PM , Rating: 1
The Nexus 4 already is kind of cumbersome in my pocket, and the sharply defined edges of it are quickly gnawing their way through the denim in the shape of the phone.

While that photo, assuming it's real, looks amazingly beautiful. I'm kind of put off by this never ending screen creep.


RE: too big
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 3:38:20 PM , Rating: 5
"the sharply defined edges of it are quickly gnawing their way through the denim in the shape of the phone"

Dood, your jeans are WAY too tight.


RE: too big
By FITCamaro on 3/18/2013 3:45:23 PM , Rating: 5
Hipsters ftl.


RE: too big
By Visual on 3/20/2013 4:56:23 AM , Rating: 2
faster than light?


RE: too big
By Breakfast Susej on 3/18/2013 5:41:27 PM , Rating: 3
Really they aren't tight at all, but the 4 basically drives into my hip when I sit because it's so big that the pocket is barely big enough for it.

I'm not a hipster at all, these are like a relaxed fit 34/34. I couldn't be any more anti fashion if I tried.

I just spend way too much time sitting at a computer because, well, I'm a geek.


RE: too big
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 6:15:51 PM , Rating: 3
I dunno, I wear jeans and sit on my ass in front of a computer all day too and have never seen that happen. Driving into your hip? I have my hand in my pocket now, maneuvering my phone around and I cant get it to happen. Why are people walking by my office and laughing?

Anyhow, it only touches my hip if I put it at the very top of the pocket and all the way to the inside. Maybe you need deeper pockets? OK that one wasnt a pun, Levi's have plenty room in the pocket to go really deep. Damn, I cant describe this and not feel dirty. =(


RE: too big
By Breakfast Susej on 3/18/2013 6:43:30 PM , Rating: 2
The genetic betrayal that is my turkey like legs, (thanks for that by the way Dad), means that jeans which are a fit in the waist, and baggy in the lower leg, just fit in the thigh.

Also I am kind of high waisted, so for example, right now my pocket traverses the joint of hip and leg at about the 3/4 mark. So about 3/4 of the pocket is on my leg, 1/4 on the upper body. So yes I suppose deeper pockets would be nice in this respect, or to start wearing my pants like Justin Bieber.

So if you can imagine a large smartphone in the lower half of that pocket as you sit, the edge of it is being pressed into the hip joint. I would just leave it on my desk, but I am also exceedingly forgetful, and that means I am going to forget it at work 60% of the time.


RE: too big
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 6:49:06 PM , Rating: 2
aha! http://news.yahoo.com/gadget-watch-samsung-shows-b...

Problem solved ;) Lumpy space FTW!


RE: too big
By Captain Orgazmo on 3/18/2013 8:19:50 PM , Rating: 2
I have two pairs of Levis that have pockets my SGS2 can't properly fit into, and when I sit it drives the phone into my hip bone. Also, my thumbs are somewhat short, so I can't use phones bigger than about 4.5" anyways.


RE: too big
By cjc1103 on 3/19/2013 8:41:11 AM , Rating: 2
With 4.5-5" phones they are getting to big to fit in your pocket comfortably. I have a Moto Bionic (4.3"), and I usually keep it in a belt holster. The holster works great, stays out of the way, doesn't restrict me moving around, and the phone doesn't get scratched up. However I have a buddy with a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 (5.5"). He keeps it in a belt holster and that looks weird. Phablets are getting too unwieldly. 5" screen form factor (Galaxy S4) may be the biggest size that most people can deal with.


RE: too big
By Reclaimer77 on 3/18/2013 5:08:44 PM , Rating: 2
I have to love every time a new handset is announced on Daily Tech, some Luddite responds with "too big". Why are you wasting our time with an opinion that has nothing to do with the product?

quote:
A 'phablet' Nexus phone is a bad idea


Says who? There's tons of phones to choose from. If this one isn't your style, don't buy it. But lots of people DO buy larger phones and love them.

Also this is only 5.2". That is NOT into "phablet" territory. It's not really that much bigger than 4.7" anyway. With it's thin bezel and edge-to-edge display, it will fit just fine in a pocket.

quote:
I hope this design doesn't win


Right because you don't like larger screens, everyone else can just go pound sand and not have the option to buy one.

Personally I'm thrilled that LG, a handset maker that most people don't even know exists, is coming out with both guns blazing on this design. It makes a bold statement!

And kudos to them for finally getting a clue and going OLED. LCD is an outdated panel technology (especially for mobile devices) and I do not understand why it's continues to be utilized to the point it is.


RE: too big
By MadMan007 on 3/18/13, Rating: 0
RE: too big
By Reclaimer77 on 3/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: too big
By MadMan007 on 3/18/2013 8:43:23 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, it's an opinion, relax. It doesn't need some kind of factual support (? - I'm not even sure what you're looking for honestly, aside from an argument) because it's an opinion so it's inherently subjective. Or, if it does, an opinion preferring bigger screens has no more merit than the one for smaller screens. Who says the only relevant discussion of an item has to be supporting it?

The reason I think it's important for the Nexus is because I currently own a Nexus 4 and I think the Nexus program, especially without the phones being $600 like all other unlocked phones, is a great push by Google to break the stupid subsidy business model and carrier phone version lock we have in the US. I would like to continue to buy Nexus phones and hope that a product which suits me is available. Surely a Randian like you can appreciate that ;) I even wrote the last sentence in my first post, which you entirely ignored, stating that a small/large phone split would be fine. That way everyone can get what they want.

When you grow up, you'll come to realize that people can have different opinions and preferences about things and that's OK. How you discuss those differences is what matters, you aren't very good at making people sympathetic to your opinion - attacking other people's opinions is not the way to do that.


RE: too big
By Reclaimer77 on 3/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: too big
By althaz on 3/18/2013 9:42:41 PM , Rating: 2
It's no less interesting a thread than "It's not too big, waaaa!".


RE: too big
By TheJian on 3/19/2013 6:58:31 AM , Rating: 2
How thread worthy is it to argue with someone over them actually having an opinion on a forum for...wait for it...opinions...

I hate thread police as much as grammar/spelling nazi's. You've wasted more of my time than him. Every comment on a thread doesn't have to be backed by insurmountable evidence.

His opinion is no different than yours, and if you don't like his opinion move along and get over it. Your post amounts too "I want it big, waa and shutup". WTF? What makes you think we all wanted to hear your opinion OF his opinion?...LOL.

Somehow you interpret his opinion as taking something from YOU personally? Thanks for making me waste my time responding to this. Please take a your pill now. :)


RE: too big
By MadMan007 on 3/19/2013 10:34:25 AM , Rating: 3
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=30146...

quote:
Reclaimer77 said:
Actually growing up is about knowing that everyone doesn't always want to hear your opinion. And that you don't ALWAYS have to share yours.


btw thanks for writing this classic paragraph. It will now haunt you for years...I hope you can take your own medicine :D


RE: too big
By Ramstark on 3/21/2013 12:57:42 PM , Rating: 2
OMG Please tell me how can I bookmark this post.
Never mind, Reclaimer will find a way to "backup" his "opinion" nevertheless.
Thank you for your research!


One "is" too many
By Fat32 on 3/18/2013 1:14:38 PM , Rating: 3
Jason, please fix the article title: "Is LG is Making Monstrous Megalodon for Google Nexus 5 Android Superphone?"




RE: One "is" too many
By Mitch101 on 3/18/2013 1:26:42 PM , Rating: 3
That's some marketing for LG to bring back Megalodons.

Before I was afraid to be in the water now boats need to be afraid to be in the water.


RE: One "is" too many
By GulWestfale on 3/18/2013 2:20:27 PM , Rating: 2
unless you get a bigger boat.

as for the phone: wow, amazing specs if accurate. and if google continues its policy of pricing these things at or near cost, then this will definitely be my next phone.
one question: i hear this is supposed to have an OLED screen, but doesn't samsung make around 95% of the world's OLED screens? so what's in this thing, a samsung screen in an LG device (not as strange as it sounds, the PS Vita also has a samsung screen, and samsung SOC), or a new LG OLED screen?


RE: One "is" too many
By Souka on 3/18/2013 3:42:09 PM , Rating: 2
and the phone will be 1" thick

JK ;)


RE: One "is" too many
By Doh! on 3/18/2013 9:56:43 PM , Rating: 2
Samsung may have a bigger OLED market share, but LG is the first one to sell OLED TVs in the world (55-inch). Since its launch last month, it's selling really well (despite its crazy price) in Korea. At least in Korea when it comes to display products, LG is often favored over Samsung among techies. I can't say the same about mobile phones however.


RE: One "is" too many
By someguy123 on 3/18/2013 2:51:42 PM , Rating: 2
It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.


RE: One "is" too many
By TSS on 3/20/2013 12:59:34 AM , Rating: 2
Is you is or is you aint my Megalodon...


Was hoping for Tegra 4
By quiksilvr on 3/18/2013 1:11:52 PM , Rating: 2
But these specs are ridiculously awesome. If they can keep that $299 price that would be incredible.




RE: Was hoping for Tegra 4
By GotThumbs on 3/18/2013 2:34:38 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see how that price point could even remotely be realistic.

Here's hoping its less than 399.00 for the 16 gig version.


RE: Was hoping for Tegra 4
By Nortel on 3/18/2013 3:10:31 PM , Rating: 2
You are completely forgetting that Google can break even or even lose money on every device sold and not care one bit. Predatory pricing of their devices has never been successfully sued for.


RE: Was hoping for Tegra 4
By Kurz on 3/19/2013 11:57:19 AM , Rating: 2
Well its been shown for parts alone $200 to make the $600 iphone.

I highly doubt the Nexus is more than $200 to make.


RE: Was hoping for Tegra 4
By Breakfast Susej on 3/18/2013 3:23:23 PM , Rating: 2
I picture $299 $399 $499 as a pricing scheme for this device. Or, possibly even a bump to $399 $499 $599.


RE: Was hoping for Tegra 4
By quiksilvr on 3/18/2013 3:44:53 PM , Rating: 2
I think you're on the money with the $299,$399,$499 price model. Bumping it to $399 would just make people ask for a Nexus 4 with a smaller screen and $100 off, which could happen but unlikely.


The ongoing level of screen size creep,
By Breakfast Susej on 3/18/2013 3:19:58 PM , Rating: 4
Is too damn high...

I feel like they trying to slowly work their way up to the point where it's socially acceptable to have a 7 inch slab of device stuck to your face.




RE: The ongoing level of screen size creep,
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 3:42:34 PM , Rating: 4
LOL... It is people wanting larger screens that is driving it. It's for usability. That and you don't need to stick the phone to your face. Most people don't even use the phone other than a few mins aday if that... If you do use the phone alot, there is Bluetooth in almost all new cars and bt headsets, wired earpieces as well as speakerphone mode.


By Spuke on 3/18/2013 3:51:20 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed I rarely use mine as a phone.


By cyberguyz on 3/19/2013 1:29:25 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that the screen size is getting a little out of hand.

I also understand that one of the least done tasks with a smartphone is to actually make voice calls with it. More often it is game playing, listening to music, texting, web surfing. So in that view a larger screen makes a bit of sense.

smartphones are moving away from being on-your-face voice-only devices. They are becoming more and more general communications terminals for doing video and textual communications as well as voice. With bluetooth there becomes less and less need to actually hold it to your face.

However that said, there comes a point where these devices start becoming too big to be pocket friendly. The samsung GS3 pushes hard at that boundary while devices such as the Galaxy Note shatter it. For me a 5.2" screen is too big if it pushes the overall size of the phone bigger than the Samsung Galaxy S3 - even if it is a powerhouse.


HD FM radio!
By MGSsancho on 3/18/2013 3:11:47 PM , Rating: 2
Please include a HD FM radio. My Zune HD is getting old. Would prefer to have a single device. Also thickness is mostly irrelevant to me. Double the thickness of a sgs3 and I will still be happy. That would make room for better camera optics and a huge battery




RE: HD FM radio!
By InternetGeek on 3/18/2013 7:15:00 PM , Rating: 2
This would rock though it requires both the radio and the software. Nexus devices do have the radio, but Google and the maker do not include the driver.

Having said that, TuneIn is a great app provided you have a good data plan. If I use the radio the whole month I consume close to 2gigs. I pay $65 per month for unlimited calls to any national number plus 6gigs of data (Australia). So I have plenty of room for tethering my tablet.


RE: HD FM radio!
By blue_urban_sky on 3/19/2013 1:10:38 PM , Rating: 2
I'm with you there on the thickness, Double it and add a huge battery and better camera and I'd be a customer too.


OMG
By Neodude007 on 3/18/2013 1:18:11 PM , Rating: 2
Insert 'sweet mother of god' meme pic here. Sign me up. This phone is McNasty!!!!




RE: OMG
By cyberguyz on 3/19/2013 1:40:10 PM , Rating: 2
Hope it has user-replaceable batteries. That 3300mAh battery will be eaten by that hungry snapdragon in no time flat. You are gonna need to carry at least one spare battery to get thru a day.

And LG is sadly not known for putting user-replaceable batteries in their phones.


What happened
By Shadowself on 3/18/2013 2:12:23 PM , Rating: 2
to all those people posting a few short years back claiming that a phone's camera's optics could, in absolutely no way, support 8, 6, or even 5 megapixel sensors? While I disagreed (with some specific caveats) with that assessment back then, there is no way any current optics can fully support (properly at least) a 16 megapixel camera. Hell, even some high end point and shoot cameras have a difficult time having optics that properly support 14+ megapixel sensors.

Additionally, DVB-T and ATSC on a phone? What is this? A phone or a TV? (And by the way, the DVB-T waveform has issues with doppler and multi-pathing. The waveform was not originally designed to support highly mobile platforms.)

This set of specs sounds like more of a person's insane dream than reality. If it is reality, it certainly is more specmanship than building something that makes sense.

And on a more personal note: for me, 5.2" (even with virtually zero bezel) is just too big for a phone and too small for a useful tablet. But that's just personal taste.




RE: What happened
By cyberguyz on 3/19/2013 1:37:32 PM , Rating: 2
It is not just about resolution.

What separates a phone from a viewfinder camera is the size of the sensor. This is also the separation of a cheap viewfinder camera and a dslr.

Through micro-miniaturization it is possible to pack more and more resolution into tinier bits of silicon. The downside kis of course that the smaller the sensor gets, the more noise creeps into the pictures. A DLSR will have much less noise than a viewfinder camera with the same resolution. Likewise that viewfinder camera will have a much less noisy picture than that smartphone.

There are a lot of other factors that make a camera great than the resolution of its sensor. Physical sensor size, focal lengths and quality of the lenses all combine to determine which will produce the better picture from the same inputs.


By GotThumbs on 3/18/2013 2:32:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
it's hard to see whether the case will be metal or plastic


Seeing the potential specs of a brand new phone and the last point focuses on the shell is just sad and panders to the pathetic ramblings of Apple and HTC marketing spew.

The case is just the shell and is NOT a feature IMO and does not add any additional functionality. A metal shell WOULD have a higher manufacturing cost and would affect the consumers end purchase price. Can we focus on what REALLY matters. If they could offer a metal case option for an additional $100.00 more over a plastic case.....then let them at it.

Best Wishes and hope the important specs become reality.




By kyuuketsuki on 3/18/2013 7:29:03 PM , Rating: 2
Have to disagree. One of the only good things Apple has done for the industry is bring attention to the design aspect of hardware. That doesn't mean Apple has the best design (they don't), but I'm quite glad to get away from the cheap plastic junk of yesteryear.


Doubt it will be the Nexus 5
By tayb on 3/18/2013 4:16:07 PM , Rating: 2
I've heard rumors from other sites that Google wants to release the Nexus 5 at $199 off contract. Google wants to reduce the bargaining power of the carriers and the best way to do that is to release a phone that people want, isn't tied to a carrier, and they can afford. Even $299 is too high to accomplish this. There is no way this phone is $199 and I don't believe they could get it close to $299 without heavy subsidies.

It may be that Google is looking for multiple partners for the Nexus 5 that will fill out multiple price points. Whoever wins the premium contract will also be rewarded the low end contract similar to the Nexus tablet line with Asus. Either way I think Google wants a cheaper phone.




RE: Doubt it will be the Nexus 5
By Spuke on 3/18/2013 5:04:37 PM , Rating: 2
Two phones would work for me as long as I can use either on Verizon LTE. Right now I'm looking at a HTC One if it comes to Verizon but would MUCH rather have a Nexus.


Yes, yes, and yes...
By SublimeSimplicity on 3/18/2013 1:21:30 PM , Rating: 2
Just tell me where to send the money.




By CeriseCogburn on 3/18/2013 2:23:16 PM , Rating: 2

5.2" screen with that really really thin bezel in the pic looks great.

And I like the curved out bottom (and top I guess for the speakers).

The snapdragon spec doesn't do much for me as the cpu's already here are great - not sure I guess the higher resolution might be a reason to have it.. 3g ram seems overkill but then again maybe some good games are coming up or some huge os upgrade that needs a better spec set.




By TheJian on 3/19/2013 6:38:29 AM , Rating: 2
This will be T4, or someone else who ships in June/July not samples then. You have to ship then to get into xmas stuff not sample then. Since T4 destroys an S600 it's out. They could clock the A15's down a 100mhz or 200 and still destroy the S600's gpu. Octa could work but I think google doesn't want samsung dominating more than they already do and the T4 should use less power and be cheaper than octa which has a full feature set (dx11.1 opengl es3.0 etc...a bunch of crap using power/die size that nobody will see in anything for another 2yrs probably if not more). NV's T4gpu is 10.5mm which is smaller than ALL others currently out. Also T4 can do 1080p video playback on the lower power core where I don't think octa can do this (again giving more battery like the gpu cuts should give). But I may be wrong :) I'm not sure octa will have enough production to satisfy the next nexus phone either, as it's used in a good 1/2 of the galaxy S4 production (international version) and probably other samsung devices. So it looks like T4 just by default via cheap cost, availability and lower power vs. other A15 socs (because of the gpu).

I'm thinking T4 wins the nexus 10 rev2 and has a 70/30 shot at the phone barring production issues forcing another choice. The nexus 7 can't be done since T4 is too late for that and everything early is going to shield anyway (that will be S600 because it's available). Rumor has it one company is buying up all the production immediately after shield, and the same rumor said it wasn't htc, asus etc (clearly not samsung or apple). That pretty much leaves google. For gaming this would also make sense, as Shield and Ouya also use tegra and Ouya will keep upgrading to T4 etc yearly. Tomshardware already showed T3 has the best looking games in Jan (nexus 4 crapped out on 1/4 of them) and only apple held a candle to the results on tegra3+ in a dozen games they tested.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-tegra-a...
"A quarter of these games had problems running on Google's Nexus 4, Samsung's Galaxy S III, or both. Even if the optimizations aren’t always apparent, many higher-end games (like those based on the Unity and Unreal engines) are optimized for Nvidia's hardware."
"The company is known to leverage its close relationships with video game developers on the PC side, and now it's doing the same with the creators of mobile titles."

The 2nd quote is why I think they'll win the game war in the end especially as kepler creeps down into socs. The rest of the gpu guys have little to no experience in optimizations for gaming and working with game devs. This will prove invaluable shortly as unreal etc kick things up a notch on mobile. NV has spent years optimizing for unreal3 engine games etc. That can only help them as games ramp up in quality.




No microSD? Eh, who cares.
By piroroadkill on 3/20/2013 11:50:45 AM , Rating: 2
Yup.




Jeans & larger phones
By JRBadia on 3/26/2013 11:34:22 AM , Rating: 2
I think the option of a less than 5" screen and then a larger than 5" screen would be the way to go, in the style of Samsung Galaxy's SIII & Note 2. This way we as the consumer have a choice. Either way if it comes out I will be in line to buy it.
BTW all the talk about jeans wa quite amusing, thnx for the entertainment.




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