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Former SVP says Nokia CEO Stephen Elop has ""; argues Android isn't open or functional

Once the world's top maker of both smartphones, these days Finland-based phonemaker Nokia Oyj. (HEX:NOK1V) can only wait and hope for a turnaround.  The company was facing sliding sales and criticism that its smartphone operating system, Symbian, couldn't keep up with the young guns of the mobile world -- Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android and Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) iOS. In response, Nokia's board made a bold gamble importing former Microsoft Corp. (MSFTexecutive Stephen Elop as its CEO and allowing him to forge a pact with Microsoft to adopt Windows Phone.  

I. Ex-Nokia Exec "Hates on" Android, Showers Defunct Symbian OS With Praise

While there are some promising signs in terms of hardware and sales of late, the financials to date have been pretty ugly and have called Nokia's decision to ditch Symbian -- or at least how it's executed that plan -- into question.

In a ranting interview with Crave Media, a clearly outraged Lee Williams -- former Nokia SVP of the early Series 60 smartphones (2006-2009) and later Executive Director of the Symbian Foundation (2009-2010) -- vented his frustrations at his former employer's decision to scrap Symbian, which he sees as a big mistake.  He also used the interview as a platform to express some unusual views, attacking the operating system world's top players as incompetent in various ways and arguing that Nokia's Symbian is the ultimate operating system."

Mr. Williams, who now is a partner a SourceBits, a San Francisco mobile consulting firm, comments, "I did not see a good reason to change course [from Symbian] so frantically...I don't think Nokia was going in the wrong direction with some of the things it was doing -- it was simply executing poorly before Elop got there and they weren't giving it enough time.  Symbian was Nokia's cash-cow -- Elop sacrificed it."

Lee Williams

Lee Williams, former Symbian chief, claims Nokia is making a mistake.  He argues that  Microsoft's Windows Phone and Google's Android are losers, and that Symbian is a winner.
[Image Source: World of Phones]

The former Symbian chief argues Nokia would have been better served pledging to primarily support Symbian, but perhaps dabbling in Windows Phone.

He would approve of Nokia going to Microsoft's competitor Google even less, though.  He had harsh words for the world's most used smartphone operating system, which he accuses of not being open and lacking functionality to -- you guessed it -- Symbian.  

He jabs, "Android is a less capable offering than a few options that still exist within Nokia.  It's certainly not what I would refer to as an open system. More than that, I think that Nokia has little opportunity to differentiate here in the near term…"

He bemoans, "Symbian is shipping on around 20 million new units a quarter as of today. When I was at the company it was responsible for seven of 10 of Nokia's highest gross margin products. Think of those volumes. There were dozens of products that shipped in the tens of millions."

II. Microsoft, Nokia CEO Elop, and Nokia Board Chairman Also Get Attacked

The bitter former executive throws dirt on Microsoft's upcoming Windows Phone 8.  After arguing that the new OS won't be a market changer, he attacks Microsoft's general track record, commenting, "[E]verything 'Windows 8' has a big question mark on it right now, and it should be this way.  Microsoft is notoriously late on delivery..."

He accuses Nokia CEO Stephen Elop of ruining the company.  He comments, "As an arm chair quarterback, it is clear to me that [Nokia CEO Stephen] Elop is struggling. The results speak for themselves.  Elop hasn't delivered a roadmap. He's been there for two to three years and there's really no roadmap," says Williams. "There's no overarching vision for this company. That to me is akin to stepping completely out of the leadership role and running behind the bus now."

Symbian Belle
Mr. Williams predicts that Nokia will eventually come back to
Symbian after realizing that it's the best. [Image Source: GizMag]

The issue provokes Mr. Williams so much that he vents about the strategy, stating, "Elop is operating like a CFO [chief financial officer] -- CFOs are very practical, always looking at costs, always internally focused... I don't think he's really projecting anything forward or sitting around with his team imaging what the future looks like. I think it's 's**t (sic) how do I get rid of a third of this overhead in R&D?"

And he's not above crowing about the recent Nokia credit downgrade to junk status, commenting, "Those credit ratings are a huge deal for them.  If they can't borrow and move money -- wow! There's very little for them to do. Because they're the world's largest distributed manufacturer highly dependent on that movement and those credit ratings, and cash and bank."

III. Former Symbian Chief Predicts Nokia Will Come Crawling Back

The controversial analyst predicts that in six months to a year Mr. Elop will be booted and Nokia will undergo a "course correction" "back in the direction of [Symbian]."

While most of Mr. William's vehemence seems to be directed at Nokia it's impressive that he managed to claim that the world's top smartphone OS maker (Google) wasn't putting out a competent product and that the world's top personal computer OS maker (Microsoft) can't make a deadline.

On the one hand Nokia is indeed in a lot of trouble and one has to wonder if there isn't some truth in parts of Mr. Williams' frustrated diatribe.  But at the same time some of his statements make him appear a bit out of touch with the reality that Microsoft and Google are the top dogs in the operating systems industry (along with Apple).  It seems pretty unlikely that Nokia will turn back to the Symbian "burning platform" -- but that won't stop Symbian's ex-director from wishing Nokia would.

Source: Crave Media

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Android isn't open...
By tayb on 4/26/2012 1:24:07 PM , Rating: 3
Having customizable widgets does not make an OS "open." Just go buy an Android phone and try to delete stock applications that you don't want.

The rest of his rant just sounds like a butthurt ex-partner that didn't like the direction of the company. I think most people would agree that Symbian didn't have a long term future but I think that embracing Android AND Windows Phone would have been a much better option for Nokia. Windows Phone just doesn't have the greatest stigma surrounding it.

RE: Android isn't open...
By Bubbacub on 4/26/2012 2:07:18 PM , Rating: 1
"Just go buy an Android phone and try to delete stock applications that you don't want"

simples - root and cyanogenmod.

RE: Android isn't open...
By tayb on 4/26/2012 2:15:18 PM , Rating: 3
If I have to root my phone and install a mod to delete applications I don't want it is no more open than iOS.

RE: Android isn't open...
By sprockkets on 4/26/12, Rating: -1
RE: Android isn't open...
By tayb on 4/26/2012 2:49:50 PM , Rating: 2
Hiding an app is not removing an app...

And for the vast majority of Android owners, including me and my Droid X, there is no upgrade path to ICS... so 2011 is still here...

RE: Android isn't open...
By sigmatau on 4/26/2012 3:55:08 PM , Rating: 2
LOL! I have a GS2 and 6 months after the release of ICS, my flagship phone still has no update, and no indication of a timeframe for the update has been given by Samsung or AT&T.

But hey, maybe I'll get it for the next holiday season!

RE: Android isn't open...
By jnemesh on 4/26/2012 4:17:00 PM , Rating: 1
The ICS update for the GSII is rolling out now for European phones. The US phones will get it as soon as the carriers sign off on it. It IS coming...unlike WP8 for WP7 phones that WERE JUST PURCHASED!

RE: Android isn't open...
By jvillaro on 4/26/2012 4:40:29 PM , Rating: 2
unlike WP8 for WP7 phones that WERE JUST PURCHASED!

Actually you don't know sh!t about that, there's no official news about that matter

RE: Android isn't open...
By sprockkets on 4/28/2012 2:23:13 PM , Rating: 2
Well, Microsoft has been asked, and asked, and asked, and WILL not say if it will happen or not. They should know already.

Conspiracy theorist point to that as being "no" since they don't want to hurt current wp7 sales.

So what if you can't upgrade, the WP7 phones out there work great as they are. My friend doesn't even care he has 2.3.x on his HTC sensation even after showing him how much better ICS is. He didn't care that the UI was much more fluid either.

RE: Android isn't open...
By sigmatau on 4/26/2012 3:55:33 PM , Rating: 2
LOL! I have a GS2 and 6 months after the release of ICS, my flagship phone still has no update, and no indication of a timeframe for the update has been given by Samsung or AT&T.

But hey, maybe I'll get it for the next holiday season!

RE: Android isn't open...
By sprockkets on 4/26/12, Rating: -1
RE: Android isn't open...
By sigmatau on 4/27/2012 12:06:14 AM , Rating: 2
You can't deactivate some of the apps. The stupid city id one comes to mind. It keeps trying to get me to sign up or try their stupid, stupid service. Like I really need to pay more for my smartphone. Facebook app is a little annoying too as it keeps asking to be updated.

RE: Android isn't open...
By sprockkets on 4/27/2012 10:31:45 PM , Rating: 1
Which phone is that?

RE: Android isn't open...
By sprockkets on 5/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: Android isn't open...
By sprockkets on 5/4/2012 6:38:00 PM , Rating: 2
Post up or shut up.

RE: Android isn't open...
By a5cent on 4/28/2012 1:42:07 PM , Rating: 3
@sprockkets: you would have lost that bet.

You can't uninstall apps that are stored in ROM (the best you can do is hide them). For all Google cares, anyone can do almost anything they want with Android (although they are also becoming more restrictive). As a result, OEM's and carriers embed all their bloatware in your devices ROM where you can never legally get rid of it. If the developer intended for it to run, even when the icon in the app-laucher is hidden, it will.

In contrast, MS doesn't allow modifications to WP7's ROM file. OEM's and carriers are forced to install their apps to flash RAM, just as any end-user would. As a result, such apps are easily uninstalled, which removes it completely from the device.

Note that Nokia is an exception to this rule, as MS has granted them the rights to make ROM file modifications. However, to date, Nokia hasn't used it in this way... all of their apps are also just as easily uninstalled.

This is one of many subtle differences that makes WP7 (at least conceptually) a better OS than Android, but a lot of people have trouble grasping them because the benefits can't be expressed by a simple number on a spec-sheet.

RE: Android isn't open...
By sprockkets on 4/28/12, Rating: 0
RE: Android isn't open...
By Myrandex on 4/30/2012 3:12:48 PM , Rating: 2
Removing an application and having it re-appear after an OS reinstall is different than just hiding it. It is like if you remove MSN Messenger from Windows XP, it really is gone, but if you reinstall the OS, it will come back until you uninstall it again.

Applications removed from a Windows Phone are truly removed with no questions asked and with total ease. Also, (positively) manufacturers cannot load interfaces that slow down the system or customize it in a way that make updates difficult, but (negatively) they cannot customize it as much as other operating systems (other than iOS) that could potentially differentiate and add value to the phone from the consumer's perspective.


RE: Android isn't open...
By sprockkets on 5/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: Android isn't open...
By jwcalla on 4/26/2012 4:14:21 PM , Rating: 5
When people say Android is "open" it means that Android is open source. It doesn't mean that device manufacturers are obliged to completely open their products for people to do what they want with them. Your complaint is with the vendors, not Android.

To say that Android is "no more open than iOS" means that iOS is open source. Is iOS source code available out there?

RE: Android isn't open...
By Rukkian on 4/26/2012 4:58:30 PM , Rating: 2
At least if you unlock and root your Android phone, you can still use the official market (as well as several other reputable devices).

Sent from my AOKP Galaxy Nexus!

RE: Android isn't open...
By Iaiken on 4/26/2012 8:53:53 PM , Rating: 2
Buy a Samsung, you don't even have to root them. You can blow away anything you don't want. You don't have to go along with what Motorola or Sony thinks a phone should be, and you certainly shouldn't have to go along with what your carrier thinks should come pre-loaded.

RE: Android isn't open...
By emarston on 4/27/2012 7:12:32 AM , Rating: 5
That's not the OS that's the carriers. Place the blame correctly.

RE: Android isn't open...
By FlyBri on 4/28/2012 4:33:09 PM , Rating: 2
If I have to root my phone and install a mod to delete applications I don't want it is no more open than iOS.

While I agree that not being able uninstall some of those pre-installed apps is not cool, that factor alone is not what really defines an OS as "open".

As such, and no offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about when you said that Android is no more open than iOS. First off, Android is free to implement, and phone manufacturers can install their own "themes", so to speak, on top of Android. Also, in Android, you can select 3rd party apps to open links, share files, etc. Not only that, but you can select a 3rd party app as the default app (ie. selecting a 3rd party browser as the default browser). You can't do that in iOS. Also, even though you can use 3rd party browsers (with limited use), Apple disallowed certain code to be used in the 3rd party browsers in order for them to function smoothly, and has yet to allow it again.

So, you say that Android isn't any more open that iOS? Sorry, think again...

RE: Android isn't open...
By OnyxNite on 4/27/2012 12:28:03 PM , Rating: 3
Android IS open. The source code is posted on the Internet and anyone can download it. The hardware manufacturers get that open code and they tweak it how they want (which can include locking things down) then they sell them to Carriers who can further lock things down so when you buy the phone it may not allow you delete stock apps but that is because of either the manufacturer or the carrier NOT the OS. Android, the OS, is open.

RE: Android isn't open...
By Myrandex on 4/30/2012 3:14:38 PM , Rating: 2
Yea that's why Android 3.0 had it's source code posted for end users...

And fyi there are plenty of components of Android that are locked down and source code is not made public.


RE: Android isn't open...
By Reclaimer77 on 4/27/2012 1:05:41 PM , Rating: 2
Android IS open, the source code is open to anyone. By definition that makes the OS "open".

RE: Android isn't open...
By Myrandex on 4/30/2012 3:17:01 PM , Rating: 2
Really? As in my above comment, not all of the OS is open, and none of 3.0 was released...

RE: Android isn't open...
By hazydave on 4/27/2012 1:19:55 PM , Rating: 2
Just not being able to delete apps you don't want doesn't make an OS not open. There are far, far more important issues than that. For example, the fact that you can download the development tools, write an application, launch it, sell it anyway you like, etc. without spending a dime. Or for that matter, download the OS itself. And as far the "locked in" apps go, you can all but delete them now: you can turn them off and make them invisible in ICS. Really not that big of a deal.

By kleinma on 4/26/2012 12:47:42 PM , Rating: 5
bitter much?

RE: hmm
By Gungel on 4/26/2012 1:15:22 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like it. I want to hear from him how Nokia would fund future development of Symbian and MeeGo since it made sooo much money for Nokia

RE: hmm
By Ushio01 on 4/26/2012 2:15:12 PM , Rating: 4
Nokia's sales of feature and smartphones were both growing sequentially and year on year up to the 4th quarter 2010.

Then Elop in the first quarter of 2011 called symbian the burning platform and it's been downhill in sales since.

If Elop had said WP7 devices were being added to Nokia's line up fine, instead he slated Nokia's entire portfolio of existing phones and since it's been a catastrophe. Nokia will probably be a Palm by the end of next year.

RE: hmm
By jvillaro on 4/26/2012 2:59:01 PM , Rating: 2
No... Nokia and Symbian were already declining big time before all that. Let's not get that twisted.
Elop and WP on Nokia devices are the "consecuence" NOT the cause of Nokia's problems

RE: hmm
By sprockkets on 4/26/2012 7:45:30 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe if they actually, uh, you know, sold symbian phones in the US, you know, like with att, and did like, market i,t like they did with WP7, maybe, just maybe, that would help.

If by declined you mean, the iphone overtook them, then yes. The solution of taking an unproven platform and sticking all you eggs into that basket is quite retarded.

RE: hmm
By Ushio01 on 4/27/2012 1:28:37 PM , Rating: 2
Actaully sales of phones were NOT declining only market share was.

RE: hmm
By NellyFromMA on 4/26/2012 3:26:39 PM , Rating: 5
Nah, if Nokia has stayed the Symbian course (btw, do you know ANY average consumer who even know's what Symbian is? Then ask them about any other major player) then they'd be the next Palm.

Now they have a shot at being the next Samsung.

RE: hmm
By corduroygt on 4/26/2012 5:05:29 PM , Rating: 1
For that, they'd need to make Android phones with the newest technology. Not some 480x800 single core phone with a name that evokes prejudice and has no apps.

RE: hmm
By kleinma on 4/26/2012 6:44:01 PM , Rating: 2
I see you know nothing at all about anything. You should have a fun time trying to get through life.

RE: hmm
By cjc1103 on 4/27/2012 8:14:39 AM , Rating: 3
From what I've read, single core WP phones work just fine. Tell me what apps you are running that needs a dual core CPU? Dual core is just the latest hardware buzz word. The hardware and software have to work together on any computer. Android is not as efficient as WP, and needs more resources (CPU and RAM). Dual core CPUs will use more battery, if WP can use a single core CPU efficiently, then that's a plus. Also there are plenty of apps for WP, you obviously have not looked.

RE: hmm
By NellyFromMA on 4/27/2012 10:53:43 AM , Rating: 1
There are a group of Android fans (and I guess also a group of Linux fans) who are strangely ONLY about specs and could care less about actual usage.

Those types definitely not in the majority but you still can't help but notice since they are the loudest....

RE: hmm
By corduroygt on 4/27/2012 2:45:42 PM , Rating: 1
I am an iOS person, but I respect Android. iOS is the Mac but with a huge application advantage vs. Android which is the PC without the huge application catalog (but still very respectable).

Then you get WP7 which is trying to be iOS but failing at it. Over half the apps I use on my iPhone are not available in a WP7 phone.

RE: hmm
By Myrandex on 4/30/2012 3:33:34 PM , Rating: 2
That's funny, I have more apps on my WP7 device than my iPhone. The biggest one I'm missing is my mobile banking app which Chase has said is coming in June or July or so. That will fill a big hole, but I definitely prefer my Lumia on AT&T to my iPhone 4 on Verizon.

And guess what when Android launched there weren't many apps available then. I had one back then too and it wasn't the best experience at all.


RE: hmm
By Myrandex on 4/30/2012 4:41:17 PM , Rating: 2
Eh yea forgot I also use the Dish app on my iPhone fairly often which I wish would come out on the Windows Phone platform.

RE: hmm
By Gungel on 4/27/2012 12:50:24 PM , Rating: 2
I suggest you go back and look at the sale numbers and losses again.

What is he smoking?
By zlandar on 4/26/2012 4:10:40 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently this guy drinks from the same Kool-Aid that RIM does.

RE: What is he smoking?
By hazydave on 4/27/2012 1:27:01 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, he's got some of RIM's stash for sure. SymbianOS had the market, and it lost the market, long before Elop showed up. It simply wasn't competitive, and like BlackBerryOS, Nokia didn't see the need to make it competitive.

On the other hand, he's spot on about Elop. That guys made some of the worst business decisions in technology since Adam Osborne killed his computer company with way-too-early pre-announcements of the Next Big Thing.

Only, Elop cut the throat of SymbianOS before the Windows 7 Phone devices were even in the works. And before Windows 7 Phone itself was a success.. and in fact, that still hasn't happened. Maybe it will, maybe not. But where's the sense it cancelling your current, popular product today, when the replacement won't even be ready for two years.. and possibly not successful for five or more.

RE: What is he smoking?
By Penti on 4/30/2012 8:50:42 AM , Rating: 2
Qt is a modern framework and it was ready when Elop killed the Symbian+MeeGo strategy. They showed new UX's and showed that they could deliver (say beyond the N8). They also lost any hardware-partners and collaboration for new platforms. Starting over from a point where they have no influence and lags behind even Nokias own products. Remember Nokia is an actual manufacturer, they have their own factories churning out hundreds of millions of phones. Of course everything crashes if you have a platform that sold over 100 million units every year and then replaces it with a platform that sold worse then individual Nokia phones and S40 (Nokias old feature OS) that we thought the world would move away from (and they do) just hoping for a expansion that will never happen even if your the eternal optimist, Nokia a manufacturer not brand can't support that kind of change and it's a big change to become like the small players of Motorola and Sony Mobile in volumes. No development, no sales and just put together Microsoft/Qualcomm platforms can't support a company that had 60 000 employees when Elop stepped in, they are lucky if they can support a 20 000 employees company. Finland certainly wasn't ready to do this before any sales did go down which they didn't until after Elop. Symbian was the only smartphone platform developed outside of North America, Qt was an excellent and still is an excellent application framework for development. You can still do lots on Symbian that you can't even do on Mango.

Nokia needed their own platform, they can't take market-share from Android or simply Apple and creating a market share for someone elses product where the buyer can simply buy a Chinese, Taiwanese, American, Indian or whatever handset that is essentially the same isn't helping. If they aren't developing products themselves they have no future. Sales of over 400 million won't be achieved just going for higher prices S40 handsets and WP7 handsets. Killing the entire company to steal it's brand before any financial trouble (Mobile devision was subsidizing their network business!) is ridiculous and only someone from North America can phantom. Nokia needed a broader strategy to really get rid of feature phones, and they had already drove Symbian pretty low Belle handsets where in the middle even the new Lumia 610 is priced higher. I don't get their strategy of simply driving up S40 handsets to 130 EUR. Nokia 500 with Belle is available for 100 EUR now, but it's pretty invisible thanks to Nokias strategy even though it runs Qt, it's easy to port over games and so on. (Games needs to be completely rewritten for C#/XNA on Windows Phone). Trying to replace Symbian with S40 and marginalizing their strongest product (while it is still developed) is not that smart. Neither does the cost go away when your still releasing new stuff on Symbian that you need to maintain it was also already paid for as regards to all the newer functions. QtMobility has complete support for everything including NFC since a year back. It's complete. WP isn't that complete. Stuff like Nokia 808 is only possible when you got your own OS for the high-end. Simply giving away your asset of navigational expertise and access to their maps company that is worth billions (Navteq) isn't worth it when Microsoft isn't paying them tens of billions. It's really the wrong company to dismantle just to push WP. Nokia never reached the Palm/HP stage or the Blackberry stage. They had a modern OS, they didn't need to replace their fundamentals and had a modern mobile application framework to build their platform around. They needed to deliver on the UX and visual changes (Symbian^3 had already delivered on being a proper modern smartphone platform with multitouch, new application/developer platform, modern usage and so on.). The Canadians started over with Playbook with a modern OS and building up a platform from scratch. Which means they virtually has nothing before Blackberry 10 is out. Nokia still had a modern platform they did update. Old Symbian legacy was just that legacy since a couple of years. Symbian kernel wasn't unmodern though. Qt-apps ran (recompile) on both Symbian and MeeGo using the same apis, Java and Symbian C++/legacy apps ran only on Symbian. They are manageable, has security features and all. It's not like Pre 3 and Palm devices that was never really finished or complete when it came to the developer environment. It is certainly easier to deliver Qt-applications (Posix C/C++) and use your existing code or share it between platforms then Windows Phone applications that needs to be written for the WP-framework in C#. C# didn't save Windows Mobile.

Not being able to create truly their own products doesn't create much space on the smartphone market for them. Remember the first Lumia 710's and 800 even had to be manufactured by Compal for some reason. They might need to take out competition like Nokia to succeed but it is just that, not for Nokia to actually succeed. Anti competitive behavior might not be the best to generate a market share though. If you really want to kill a company you should at least pay for it. Nokia mobile devision + networks is still a larger company then Microsoft.

RE: What is he smoking?
By Smilin on 5/11/2012 3:08:21 PM , Rating: 2

Holy crap.

By anandtech02148 on 4/26/2012 6:52:20 PM , Rating: 3
The first Iphone basically destroyed Symbian, it was polished GUI,extremely user friendly, by the time Itunes market matured, Nokia was trying to hard to get OVI lives with hundreds of wallpaper to sell(pathetic) it didn't understand App market. I spent $600plus on Nokia N97, and the browser on that phone is just SHAT. 3month later switched to Iphone 3GS unlocked, its like 1990s vs 2000.

There's no need to be upset.
By Hexus on 4/26/2012 12:52:20 PM , Rating: 2
If he took 2 seconds to step back and look at what he's doing he'd realize this just makes him look butthurt to the 3rd degree.

Trashing your competitors and praising your product with no substance to your claims, sour grapes and all that

By jvillaro on 4/26/2012 2:56:44 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah like he has the moral authority to speak...
He's basically one of the most important reasons for Nokia downfall.
The balls on this guy... shame

By ICBM on 4/26/2012 4:00:37 PM , Rating: 2
Nice thing about the Lumia, you can uninstall any carrier program, and its extremely snappy. I think WP and Nokia will do much better in the States. This is basically because of advertising and price. I agree there is a stigma about WP, but I believe it unwarranted. I think getting the handsets out cheap to the masses will change that stigma. However where people are paying full price for the phone(ie Europe) I see a Nokia WP a tough sell. The stigma is there, and you don't have ATT throwing a wad of cash in your face to give it a try.

By zodiacfml on 4/29/2012 5:02:57 AM , Rating: 2
There's not one thing he said that makes sense. He's probably not using a smartphones from the competition.
During his time with Nokia, it was different, there was no competition.
The success of Apple and Android tells very much what people like these days, good hardware, internet browsing, and apps.
Symbian is nothing to the software giants if you wanted a smartphone.

I think Nokia can recover but not to a point where they compete well and close against Apple and Google. They're just too late to the party and doesn't have anything except good digital camera hardware.

Symbian being modern ?.
By fteoath64 on 4/30/2012 2:13:53 AM , Rating: 2
This is like saying OS2 was a modern OS!. Symbian has had its chance in 2007 when IOS 1.0 come into the picture. It could have made a UI that is as good if not better than IOS and then it could well compete. But no, the Symbian developers had to content with old stuff for years after than. Then Android come into the picture. V1.6 was not really good but by 2.2, it started to chase IOS and with V3.2 it eclipses IOS. This is what progress is about. Evolve or die, that is what the market demands and Symbian died a natural death. Good riddance!.

By BifurcatedBoat on 5/11/2012 8:42:58 PM , Rating: 2
Android and iOS have them, Symbian really doesn't. It doesn't matter how good the OS itself is or isn't when you are the only phone maker who supports it, and you're not Apple.

symbian ex is a tool
By whatthe on 4/27/2012 10:46:47 PM , Rating: 1
How can anyone say that android isn't open? A website that caters to motherboards, cpu's, gpu's, and a host of other products, has a following that because of some misplaced ego's, can't understand what open means! You can take a cheap phone, do your homework, and make it something unique, personally just for you. Even windows, you can only do so much. Android is a joy to use, it can bring out the tweaker in you, and create something special. As of now, it's the only os(other than linux), that you can do anything special to, the way windows used to be, before microsoft started locking things down. It's a geeks dream, unless your lazy, and closed minded. That guy shouldn't have been a ceo in the first place, sourgrapes to him.

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