Sources: Reuters [on the NYTimes], Toronto Star
quote: How about we decouple the whole thing from religion and just say that violent people are always going to be violent. Wether they belive in god, allah or a rubber duck they will still act out their beliefs violently.
quote: With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.
quote: Tell me a more effective mass stimulus than religion that makes good people do bad things
quote: People who still believe in religion are no different than a kid who believes that Santa Claus is real and not a historical figure. Their mental development in that context stopped right there.
quote: Racism? Nationalism? Patriotism?
quote: And from a historical context, there have been many many *many* more wars started for those three reasons in the past hundred years than started for religious reasons in the whole of written history.
quote: Thanks for proving that your entire belief system is built around a need to belittle people to make yourself more secure. Aside from the fact that what you state is both unsupported by evidence and outright bigotted,
quote: I say that's BS, and since it's your assertion, prove it.
quote: Aside from the fact that what you state is both unsupported by evidence and outright bigotted
quote: Yeah, give me Israel and I'll give you all of the wars between the various European states, the Roman empire, the Greek age, the Babylonian empire, the various Chinese dynastic wars, Feudalism in Japan, so on, so on, so on. The issue of Israel is a tiny drop in the bucket of the world's history of war and atrocity. But it's the only one you know about, because you're an ignorant fool who doesn't study history.
quote: I know my history probably better than you and religion was very much a factor in many wars if not the root cause like in Israel now
quote: There might have been wars that were not in the name of religion, but they would have happened anyways
quote: Crusades would not have happened without religion, so there
quote: We would not have conflict in the Middle East for example.
quote: If religion had not been around, the crusades still would have been fought. Just in a different location.
quote: Atheism has not caused a single war.
quote: There's no way you can prove the crusades wouldn't have been fought without religion. Welcome to reality, moron.
quote: Yet. But no matter how many athiests like you I talk to, they all seem to have this image in the back of their heads about rounding up all the religious people and putting them in concentration camps. And considering your apparently lack of emotional maturity ("So there," Constant expletives, etc.) would likely put you among the group that wants that.
quote: We have been steadily eradicating racism, and nationalism/patriotism does not work unless you're attacked yourself first. Also you're not doing religion a favor by lumping it together with racism.
quote: With religion, you can get good, non-violent people to do bad, violent things, and therein lies the danger.
quote: Millions died in their wake, in their push for a "scientific" society.
quote: That Vatican crap you just posted was completely untrue, and is exactly the picture you bigots try to put on to the Catholic faith:
quote: will say this slow so you understand, the Vatican, AKA the Pope, the only and main authority of the Catholic chair, has never said, "in chair" (I bet you are too ignorant to know what that means) anything that resulted in the Crusades,
quote: Further I must point out: For the vast majority of the last 2000 years over 90% of the population believed in "a" god.
quote: man was peaceful before religion (history says otherwise) then shut the hell up and stop being bigoted against religion.
quote: I've been around religious Catholics, Jews, Baptists, and none of them, not one, compared to the Zealotry of your average "intellectual" self God atheists.
quote: If it is true that there is no God, the most arrogant person with the most narcissistic disorders and reasons and potential to start wars for his own wants and needs is unleashed. Religion is a means to control the mental disorder of war in man's brain.
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quote: Your credibility is shot my friend.
quote: Assuming based on your pointless comment. Your little comments here are absurd and not worth my time "nark nark you didn't spell hadron right!". Great productive little post there boy.
quote: no scientific measure to disprove the existence of a God
quote: This alone makes non-theism better than any religion.
quote: . To "fight in the name of" was originally coined as a phrase to mean that someone is entering combat as a replacement for someone who is incapable of fighting for themselves. Using this meaning of the phrase, it is possible to say that Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao were acting in the name of no one and nothing because they were not fighting as a replacement for something.
quote: Better how? You act like the world is full of binary choices. There is no objective way to determine which is actually better or not. If number of wars caused by one ideology or the other is the only reason for you to determine worth, you're an idiot.
quote: Considering the fact that atheism as a movement has existed for less than a century, the idea that it is better than anything has yet to be determined.
quote: But I can guarantee you a block comes with being religious against yourself. That block against yourself is eliminated with Atheism. By your own admission they fought for "more power for themselves.".
quote: In this manner and believe in the impossibility of a God shows enough about your mental disorder
quote: The word for that is agnostic.
quote: Yes, the golden rule pre-dates them. No, the golden rule didn't work, or religion would not have survived for over 2,000 years. Mayans needed a God. Indians needed a God. Humans need belief, that's what it comes down to. It is reverting back to a devolved state to abandon belief, which is scientifically proven to have originated as a block from our darker sides.
quote: Moving forward: you honestly think you have credibility when your opinion of the crusades came from a copy paste of wikipedia and you now are giving a YouTube post?
quote: You are clueless in matters of catholicism.
quote: The rest I won't comment on, as I feel like in beating on a child.
quote: How many people has the pope killed or allowed to be infected with aids by refusing to allow condoms?Not to mention we *know*
quote: WHY ARE YOU GOING BACK TO THAT hell hole!You were out and you know how crazy those religios zelots are. WHY GO BACK? I know your family might be there. Get them out of there!
quote: "hell hole!" that is a mater of opinion
quote: In 2010, he finally was tried before the nation's Revolutionary Court, a federal Islamist court. He was forbidden to defend himself.
quote: Yet the Islam people say how kind and non-violet their religion is.
quote: 1) he didn't become a Canadian citizen.
quote: 2) knowing the harsh punishment he would receive, he still made the app
quote: 3) he didn't cut off ties to his family in another country
quote: 4) knowing the harsh punishment he would receive, he went back to his country of citizenship
quote: Canada has no power to prevent Iranian courts from acting in whatever extremist fashion they please.
quote: quote: 1) he didn't become a Canadian citizen. Immaterial. If you read the blurb on Hamid Ghassemi-Shall, he was an Iranian born man who became a Canadian citizen, and he was still sentenced to death.
quote: In response to this new policy, Tehran stopped asking and switched to a policy of quietly ambushing people at the ports of entry when they return to Iran.
quote: So given this Saeed should have known that he would probably be detained when arriving in Iran. Or at least the Canadian Government should have informed people leaving Canada to go to Iran that they will probably be detained.
quote: I've been told by American army personnel that...
quote: I know of a missionary that went to the most rural or rural areas of China...
quote: In a case, of a man who had lived in a country where it was accepted...
quote: I don't care where you live in the world or how acceptable...
quote: he should have just became a Canadian citizen and stayed the hell out of the country he left.
quote: Jason from your tone you seem to say "Ignorance of one's crimes is a defense for him" even though that is not a defense in any court of the USA.
quote: Getting really fucking sick of backwards people on this planet.
quote: I'm an optimist in that I believe that in the very long run (100s of years) things will eventually get better worldwide.