last month it was revealed that Iran's
first nuclear plant underwent a shocking
and sophisticated cyberattack which was designed to break its
fuel enrichment centrifuges. The Stuxnet worm reportedly
succeeded in temporarily hindering plant operations, infecting
hundreds of plant computers. However, the worm turned out to be
overly virulent, spreading to thousands of other plant computers
worldwide and drawing attention. Israel is suspected of the
attack, according to a senior source quoted in a report by The
New York Times.Now
Iran's intelligence minister, Heydar Moslehi, who accused western
"spy services" of the attack, has
claimed on Iranian state television and the Mehr news
service that his forces had captured "several [western] spies".
He accused western nations (presumably the U.S. and Europe) of
engaging in "destructive activities of the arrogance in
cyberspace". He says his nation is prepared
to thwart future attacks. He states, "Different ways to
confront them have been designed and implemented. I assure all
citizens that the intelligence apparatus currently has complete
supervision on cyberspace and will not allow any leak or destruction
of our country's nuclear activities. Iran's intelligence
department has found a solution for confronting [the worm] and it
will be applied. Our domination of virtual networks has thwarted the
activities of enemies in this regard."Another senior
Iranian official -- Mahmoud Liaii -- was quoted last week as saying
that "An electronic war has been launched against Iran."So
did the U.S. or other western nations truly have a role in the
attack? And did Iran really arrest western spies, or is it merely
using the attack as yet another opportunity to crack down on
political dissidents? Many questions remain.One thing
that is clear is that the attack seems to have been a partial
success, despite the Iran's claims to the contrary. The plant's
inauguration has been pushed back to next year as Iran reportedly is
struggling to cleanse its systems of Stuxnet.For Iran, the
announcement of "arrests" of purported "western spies"
is nothing new -- in fact it has made several similar announcements
over the course of the last few years. There's been no
indication thus far whether these claims bear any trace of
veracity.While the recent cyberattacks may have created a
headache for Iran, the country's recent activities have created a
bigger headache for the west. Regardless of whether they were
involved in the attack, the west is struggling with the notion of
Iran having access to nuclear power and advanced
weapons like drone bombers. Iran poses a
unique challenge in that it is backed by both China and Russia, who
have become the nation's key trading partners. The U.S. has
faced similar challenges with North Korea -- which is also backed by
China and has announced
nuclear ambitions of its own in recent years.
quote: Iraq is small and it would be impossible to bury anything underground without being easily found.
quote: The non-profit American Type Culture Collection and the Centers for Disease Control sold or sent biological samples of anthrax, West Nile virus and [[botulism] to Iraq up until 1989, which Iraq claimed it needed for medical research. A number of these materials were used for Iraq's biological weapons research program, while others were used for vaccine development. For example, the Iraqi military settled on the American Type Culture Collection strain 14578 as the exclusive anthrax strain for use as a biological weapon, according to Charles Duelfer.
quote: Yeah, I'd be worried about the UN having the balls to point the finger at anyone...
quote: after Iraq, most of the world wouldn't mind seeing a regional counter-balence to US ambitions in the Middle-East.
quote: Aside from that, aren't you a little concerned over a terrorist sponsoring nation getting nukes?
quote: Why one of the largest terrorist supporting nations on the planet has them already.
quote: Don't you love how a "I love my country" is always a prelude for a long winded bashing of said country?
quote: I NEVER bashed my country in that post, I bashed my Govt. Those are two SEPARATE entities.
quote: Oh that's a silly dishonest cop-out. A country is defined by it's government, you can't really separate the two.
quote: There are PLENTY of domestic things to bash our government for. You went the typical blame America first for everything internationally route. Come on, own it.
quote: The faster you trade with someone selling them items they want or need the less likely the people will want to harm you even if they did in the first place.
quote: This is not counting are major arms deals with Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia
quote: McDonald or a Burger King
quote: So you don't really want trade. You want us to trade them things WE say they can have, not the things they want or need.
quote: That Iran is simply making loud noises, as they seem to do over a LOT of issues, it also wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the west was behind this and did have spies in iran who's focus was the nuclear side of things.
quote: Back then, they and their commanders wrestled with the morality of bugging prisoners' cells with listening devices. They felt bad about censoring letters. They took prisoners out for steak dinners to soften them up. They played games with them.
quote: "We did it with a certain amount of respect and justice," said John Gunther Dean, 81, who became a career Foreign Service officer and ambassador to Denmark.
quote: "During the many interrogations, I never laid hands on anyone," said George Frenkel, 87, of Kensington. "We extracted information in a battle of the wits. I'm proud to say I never compromised my humanity."
quote: WWII interrogators have publicly stated that they are appalled and ashamed of the torture modern interrogators have used to try to get information.
quote: With respect to those great men, they didn't have entire city blocks of American heartland being wiped out by NON UNIFORMED enemies hiding among us in plain sight.
quote: And if you actually think buying these Islamic Jihadists steak dinners, playing games with them, talking for hours on end etc etc would really work you are an IDIOT. Are you serious?
quote: THAT is not "defending freedom", that's DESTROYING freedom.
quote: You, Sir, are our enemy. YOU are the non-uniformed terrorist in our midst, destroying our society with your anti-freedom agenda.
quote: Nevermind that torture doesn't work
quote: Nevermind that torture doesn't work
quote: Laws are laws.
quote: Especially the hypocrisy and lunacy of John McCain's crusade against the "terrible practice" of placing a wet towel on someones face when back in Vietnam he was personally tortured to the point that he barely has function in his arms!
quote: I wouldn't presume to know his motives, but is it that hard to believe that his time as a POW would have left him with strong beliefs regarding the torture of prisoners?
quote: You are a scary person
quote: It's hypocritical to condem your own country for "torturing" others when you have seen REAL torture first hand and you KNOW it's nothing even close to what we've been doing.
quote: but since they didn't start the war it's little hard for me to sit here defending my Country and it's atrocities.
quote: Such techniques were classified as "'covert' third degree torture" since they left no signs of physical abuse, and became popular after 1910 when the direct application of physical violence to force a confession became a media issue and some courts began to deny obviously compelled confessions.
quote: It doesn't produce good intel, it doesn't save lives; all it does is makes it that much easier for the terrorist to find new recruits.
quote: Interrogation works. "Torture" (semantics aside) is a last ditch effort of extracting information.
quote: I think you are somehow trying to imply that the ones that have been subjected to water-boarding are somehow innocent... You would be naive to think that (if you do).
quote: Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.
quote: Ezekiel 33 "... 6 'But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.'
quote: Beyond normal interrogation means torture from my stand point. If it does not to you that is between you and your maker.
quote: Again, you are calling me names because I morally oppose torture.
quote: Interrogators in Guantanamo water boarded one prisoner 100+ times without getting any significant information out of him.
quote: It's like we've completely redefined what "torture" actually is. This is crazy.
quote: I got news: Waterboarding is torture, plain and simple.
quote: Limiting torture to only what leaves permenent physical injruy is like saying mental illness isn't an illness at all, and thus doesn't need to be treated [an issue the US is having a lot of trouble dealing with, in fact...]
quote: You're arguing definitions to justify your opinion.
quote: The fingers will heal, and the pain will subside, but being brought to near death over and over again, will be with you for the rest of your life.
quote: There have been 4,000 odd terrorist attempts, key word attempts, since 9/11. And I have to sit here and read you Daily Tech idiots trying to tell us these people aren't threats and interrogation doesn't produce results. How do you explain thousands of thwarted attacks if that's the case?