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Iran outlines its ambitious plans for space exploration and a manned launch in next decade

As more nations enter space, the head of the Iran Aerospace Industries Organization (AIO) announced the country’s plans to send an astronaut into space within the next 10 years. Reza Taghipour announced the AIO will outline specific goals within the next six months, and said sending a man to space is "one of the country's priorities for the next 10 years."

"In accordance with a program we have developed, by 2021 Iran is to become the leading space power in the region," Taghipour announced during a press conference.

To prepare for its ambitious space program, the country will launch several domestic satellites into orbit in the next two years. The satellites will help provide natural disaster management, telecommunications and other basic uses. The Iranian space technology has been created mainly in-house, with the nation specifically focused on creating rockets able to carry satellites into orbit.

Iran recently claimed it launched a dummy satellite into orbit, but several nations, including the U.S., said the test was unsuccessful. Many nations are already concerned about a growing Iranian nuclear program, and a successful satellite launch will only add to concerns from the U.S., Great Britain, and other nations. Specifically, President Bush and U.S. military experts have shown concern that the rocket technology to launch satellites could be converted for possible military use, although Iranian space officials downplayed these concerns.

Only a small handful of nations have successfully launched satellites into orbit on their own, with regional rival India recently joining the select group. Furthermore, only the U.S., China and Russia have been able to launch manned missions on their own, however, India and Japan also have plans to launch manned missions in the future.

Iran has been working on its space program for the past few years, although has not had much to show for the program as of yet.



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Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/21/2008 5:23:55 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
"In accordance with a program we have developed, by 2021 Iran is to become the leading space power in the region,"


Are they seriously bragging about being a leader in 10 years regarding something that was already done decades ago?

This is nothing more than a cover for a military ploy to develop longer range ballistic missiles.




RE: Iran is crazy
By hellokeith on 8/21/2008 5:29:41 PM , Rating: 2
You beat me to it. This is simply and quite visibly Iran's method of developing intercontinental ballistic missile technology.

Russia is going to be (with egg on their face) scrambling for their own missile defense shield in a decade if Iran is allowed to develop earth-orbit capable rocket technology.


RE: Iran is crazy
By cokbun on 8/22/2008 2:11:34 AM , Rating: 1
oh my god they are going to suicide bomb the moon !!!


RE: Iran is crazy
By 67STANG on 8/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Iran is crazy
By V3ctorPT on 8/22/2008 7:22:29 AM , Rating: 2
All i can think is an image of a little terrorist tied to a scud launcher missile (c & c generals)... Hey good for them... time for photochop...


RE: Iran is crazy
By MrBlastman on 8/22/2008 9:17:35 AM , Rating: 1
I say we up their ante and help them get there faster...

Aboard a nuclear powered explosion! :)

*imagines iranians being launched into space at warp speed due to a shallow subterranean nuclear explosion a la Lemmings or Worms*


RE: Iran is crazy
By 16nm on 8/23/2008 7:48:28 AM , Rating: 2
LOL. Yes, I can imagine an Iranian made long range ballistic missile being a suicide bomber with a jet pack strapped on him!


RE: Iran is crazy
By Some1ne on 8/22/2008 11:59:44 AM , Rating: 5
Sadly, BZDTemp is about the only rational person here. I'm ashamed at how much all the anti-Iran sabre-rattling/paranoia posts get rated up.


RE: Iran is crazy
By VoodooChicken on 8/21/2008 5:34:09 PM , Rating: 5
Their "astronauts" are really political prisoners who will be shot out a cannon into the center of the sun.


RE: Iran is crazy
By BZDTemp on 8/21/08, Rating: 0
RE: Iran is crazy
By Gul Westfale on 8/21/2008 9:40:06 PM , Rating: 2
10 years to get into space... but how long will it take them to develop freezedried hommus?


RE: Iran is crazy
By lompocus on 8/21/08, Rating: 0
RE: Iran is crazy
By niaaa on 8/22/2008 7:32:00 AM , Rating: 3
yeah its not like they had human rights to start with...jeez


RE: Iran is crazy
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 8/22/08, Rating: -1
RE: Iran is crazy
By BZDTemp on 8/22/2008 1:44:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Guantanamo hold prisoners of war not political prisoners.


I think is is somewhat debatable if it's all prisoners of war but that issue aside. Regardless of why they are prisoners they have a right to be treated as humans and the whole Guantanamo arrangement just stinks to high heaven. No trials (except for a single one) and a ton of human right violations, stories of torture and so on.

My country was part of the coalition that took action in Iraq (we have the graves to prove it) and our troops are in the hot zone of Afghanistan (with more graves to prove it) - this is just so you know what I mean with the next paragraph.

For us to be able to demand of others they obey human rights we need to make sure we do just that. How can be demand something of others which we can not live up to. I think reading a lot of the posts in this thread show very well what is happening when the leadership of a nation makes a mockery of human rights!

I want to be proud of the nation I live in and I am. But it's not perfect and our close involvement with the US and therefore the Guantanamo is certainly not helping. The US is a great place but it's not doing good by running Guantanamo they way it does.


RE: Iran is crazy
By masher2 (blog) on 8/22/08, Rating: -1
RE: Iran is crazy
By foolsgambit11 on 8/22/2008 8:09:46 PM , Rating: 3
The people there are generally referred to as 'enemy combatants', or possibly, 'illegal enemy combatants.' the title prisoner of war applies to "lawful combatants", that is, regular forces of the enemy. The exact rights given to enemy combatants has been the subject of much debate, and a few Supreme Court cases in the U.S. Additionally, the validity of the combatant status review boards that evaluated whether they were lawful or unlawful combatants has been questioned by some.

And there is, I believe, one convicted felon there as well, Salim Ahmed Hamdan (I don't know for sure he's being kept there, David Hicks wasn't, but I think Hamdan is), who will serve the few months left in his sentence and then either be set free or continue to be detained as an enemy combatant. The (metaphorical) jury's still out on that.


RE: Iran is crazy
By BZDTemp on 8/21/2008 5:44:04 PM , Rating: 3
Keyword here is "region".

It's not like Pakistan, Turkey or Israel for that matter is doing much with regards to space.

Anyway what if it's a ploy. Who is to say what Iran is allowed to do or not do as long as it's not waging war.

Iran is just as entitled to have defense and deterrent as any other country. Sure they make a lot of noise but the same can be said for Israel, Pakistan, India, Russia and the US for that matter.


RE: Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: Iran is crazy
By goz314 on 8/21/2008 6:28:55 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Western nations typically develop weapons for defense


...except when they develop weapons that are for offense.


RE: Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/21/2008 6:39:13 PM , Rating: 1
Don't confuse your usage of the word "offense" with "retaliation".

When was the last time we set off nuclear or ballistic missiles unprovoked?


RE: Iran is crazy
By Phlargo on 8/21/2008 6:42:39 PM , Rating: 5
Which is the only country who has ever used nuclear weapons against another again?

Oh right.. hurray defense.

Calling what we do as defense only is patently naive.


RE: Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/21/2008 6:45:46 PM , Rating: 5
If you knew anything about it at all - you'd know that the two bombs set off were to actually eliminate a far lower number of civilians than if we had not done so.

You'd be hard pressed to find many people who wouldn't drop the bombs again.


RE: Iran is crazy
By Phlargo on 8/21/2008 6:55:00 PM , Rating: 3
I don't disagree with that posture - it was effective and possibly saved more lives than it cost. However, it was not a retaliatory or defensive move - it was offensive, plain and simple and we are the only ones to have employed nuclear weapons in that fashion.

I don't think anyone will argue with that either :)


RE: Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/21/2008 6:58:47 PM , Rating: 4
It was purely retaliatory, not offensive - at least in the sense that we started unprovoked. Pearl Harbor was the only thing that matters when it comes to remembering "why" we dropped the bombs.


RE: Iran is crazy
By Phlargo on 8/21/2008 7:14:29 PM , Rating: 1
That's a pretty long stretch for retaliation. We had been engaged in a war with Japan for nearly 4 years when we decided dropping nuclear bombs to end their agression (your insinuation) was an appropriate retaliatory action.

While I will agree that Pearl Harbor was the initial act of aggression from the Japanese in relation to the US, I don't think *any action* justifies retaliation that results in the loss of life that followed from that initial action.

Further, when you consider how the debatable the surprise nature of the Pearl Harbor attacks is, it further calls into question our own role in permitting it. Sounds a little too much like WMDs in Iraq - I don't know if it's true, but if they were chomping at the bit to mobilize the people, sounds like they found a good way.


RE: Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/21/2008 7:20:55 PM , Rating: 3
There is much debate as to whether we knew prior to the Pearl Harbor attack that something was coming. There may be some truth to that, but unfortunately there is nothing to prove it. But I wouldn't say its beyond the realm of possibility.

quote:
I don't think *any action* justifies retaliation that results in the loss of life that followed from that initial action.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I believe that even if we have to use the most terrible forms of retaliation, that its worth it - if it can save your own peoples lives.

War has become more political, and its starting to limit our strength and national defense. I believe that the US Governments only priority should be its own nation - not civilians of a nation that we are at war with. But that's for another time & place.


RE: Iran is crazy
By DigitalFreak on 8/21/2008 9:43:36 PM , Rating: 2
Blah blah blah. STFU hippy tree hugger.


RE: Iran is crazy
By theapparition on 8/21/2008 10:42:45 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
While I will agree that Pearl Harbor was the initial act of aggression from the Japanese in relation to the US, I don't think *any action* justifies retaliation that results in the loss of life that followed from that initial action.

What are you saying, that we should have let Japan hit us and say OK? We're not supposed to retaliate?

To set the record strait.........the Japenese government was forwarned that we had an incredible new weapon, and would use it if they didn't surrender. They declined, and the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. The goverment denied it was a weapon, executed some of thier generals who suggested surrender and continued thier campain in the Pacific. It took another one, Nagasaki, to change thier minds.......and even that almost didn't happen.

Whether you believe Pearl Harbor was a surprise or not is irrelevant. The Japanese government could have prevented any bomb if they had surrendered. They chose not to, and suffered a huge defeat. That's how war works.

And finally........War is supposed to be ugly. It's supposed to be brutal. It's not supposed to be liked.....because once we start tolerating war, there's no reason to stop.


RE: Iran is crazy
By spluurfg on 8/22/2008 4:51:47 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
What are you saying, that we should have let Japan hit us and say OK? We're not supposed to retaliate?


Well, Pearl Harbor as the headquarters of the US Pacific Fleet. The surprise attack decimated a number of military assets, but the targets were military, not civilian. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were cities. They were important manufacturing centres for the Japanese war effort, just as Dresden was for Germany (which the Allied forces firebombed, killing 20-40,000). I can't decisively end the debate on if it was justified, but I sure wish we had managed to find an alternate method than wiping out all those thousands of civilians.


RE: Iran is crazy
By kyp275 on 8/22/2008 10:27:53 PM , Rating: 2
as a US citizen, the nuclear strike saved countless numbers of our own service member's lives, and probably the Japanese too, compared to what an invasion of the mainland would've entailed. Besides, they started it.

as an ethnic Chinese, all I can say is that the nuclear strikes did far less, and were way more merciful to the Japanese than what they did to the Chinese before and during WWII.

as a member of the human race, I wish none of it ever had to happen, and that war would no longer be neccesary. That day is still very far away, unfortunately.


RE: Iran is crazy
By Regs on 8/22/2008 8:46:28 AM , Rating: 2
We were fire bombing cities and torching everything in our path before we ever dropped a nuke. Look at the pics of Germany, with cities left in ruins and piles of rubble. It didn't take a nuke, just hundreds of thousands of pounds of TNT delivered by dummy bombs.

In reality, all we did was show Japan was that we could deliver such attack with only one plane and with one bomb. Their leaders and people decided they wouldn't surrender until the last man and with all do respect, they fought hard.


RE: Iran is crazy
By weskurtz0081 on 8/22/2008 9:57:06 AM , Rating: 1
So.... we have THREE scenarios.

1) Pearl Harbor gets hit with sneak attack.

2) Pearl Harbor is a attacked by the Japanese, not a surprise attack, we are prepared.

3) The Japanese don't attack Pearl Harbor, but they still attack the US Pacific Naval fleet.

Do not all three of these constitute an act of war? So, WTF does it matter if they did or didn't know about it, we would have gone to war either way. As far as Japan knew, we were aware of the attack. The fact of whether we did or didn't know about the attack is immaterial. We would have gone to war either way.


RE: Iran is crazy
By geeg on 8/22/2008 11:04:38 AM , Rating: 1
what is the just reason for a retaliation with nukes? a US citizen killed? a ship sunk? 10,000 US citizens killed? two towers collapsed?

quote of a certain wise person:

"an eye for an eye will leave the society blind"


RE: Iran is crazy
By masher2 (blog) on 8/22/2008 12:18:36 PM , Rating: 5
> ""an eye for an eye will leave the society blind"

Actually, an "eye for an eye" results in a society too wise to gouge eyes.

The development of the Hammurabian Code (from whence we get expressions like this) was one of the crucial steps in the formation of civilized society.


RE: Iran is crazy
By geeg on 8/22/2008 11:05:21 AM , Rating: 1
what is the just reason for a retaliation with nukes? a US citizen killed? a ship sunk? 10,000 US citizens killed? two towers collapsed?

quote of a certain wise person:

"an eye for an eye will leave the society blind"


RE: Iran is crazy
By BZDTemp on 8/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/21/2008 7:02:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also why didn't the US demonstrate the bomb on some deserted island. Surely that would have made an impression and it's not like the US had not all ready demonstrated that killing lots of civilians was not an option.

Oh yeah, nothing says "were serious" besides a person who has muscles but refuses to fight back.
quote:
Notice how the first attacks was against urban areas and then only after having killed more than 100,000 people and destroyed more than 30% of the buildings did military targets come on the list!

In Germany we actually bombed civilian buildings and killed hundreds of thousands (i believe) of civilians - because they were working in German factories building up the military equipment.

War isn't supposed to be pretty. Only blowing up military targets isn't effective at all.


RE: Iran is crazy
By Phlargo on 8/21/2008 7:16:09 PM , Rating: 2
I will definitely agree that nothing about World War 2 was pretty.


RE: Iran is crazy
By afkrotch on 8/22/2008 5:46:11 AM , Rating: 2
No 4th Geneva Convention. We were allowed to do such.

50 million allied forces (military/civilian) were killed. What's 100,000 or a million on the Axis side of the house?


RE: Iran is crazy
By niaaa on 8/22/2008 7:37:01 AM , Rating: 3
50 millions is the total of WWII deaths, civilians or not, allied or axis


RE: Iran is crazy
By afkrotch on 8/25/2008 3:10:27 AM , Rating: 2
Actually 62 million is the total of WWII deaths, civilian or not, allied or axis.


RE: Iran is crazy
By kyp275 on 8/22/2008 10:55:45 PM , Rating: 1
Welcome to the realities of world wars, where enemy civilians casualties are acceptable collateral damage, if not being an actual target themselves.


RE: Iran is crazy
By vhx on 8/21/08, Rating: 0
RE: Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/21/2008 7:05:11 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
It was the most hardcore and destructive offense to end the war as soon as possible.

Japan waived the white flag almost immediately after. Are you saying the strategy didn't work?
quote:
Considering almost everyone who was involved with the making and dropping of the bomb consider it to be their biggest mistake, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone other than ignorant armchair strategists (and fools who have never seen war) that agree with your statements.

The US Government and people who were developing and further increasing the effectiveness of the bombs during the cold war would disagree.


RE: Iran is crazy
By FITCamaro on 8/21/2008 7:25:59 PM , Rating: 2
I'd drop them in a hearbeat. The bombs cost a few hundred thousand lives. All of them Japanese.

A ground invasion of the Japanese islands would have resulted in a death toll of millions counting Japanese and US casualties. The Japanese were prepared to fight it out to the death. The bombs showed them we were serious in winning.

Sorry but in war, I prefer the other side to do the majority of the dying.


RE: Iran is crazy
By geeg on 8/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Iran is crazy
By masher2 (blog) on 8/21/2008 7:39:05 PM , Rating: 5
> "Considering almost everyone who was involved with the making and dropping of the bomb consider it to be their biggest mistake"

This is so far from true that I have to step in. Paul Tibbets, pilot of the Enola Gay, has many times said he had no regrets for dropping the bomb on Japan:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/06/nuclea...

Charles Sweeney, who piloted the bomber that dropped 'Fat Man' on Nagasak, has likewise said many times the bombing was appropriate:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A606...

As for the scientists who worked on the Manhattan project, very few expressed any regrets. In fact, most of them continued to work for the US government in weapons development -- Stanislaw Ulam and Edward Teller among them, who went on to develop the Hydrogen bomb.

In short, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. If you're going to make insulting posts full of personal attacks, you might want to get your facts straight first.


RE: Iran is crazy
By slunkius on 8/22/2008 12:42:27 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is so far from true that I have to step in


yay, we're saved!


RE: Iran is crazy
By Icelight on 8/22/2008 9:06:29 AM , Rating: 1
The self-proclaimed saviour of DailyTech to the rescue!!


RE: Iran is crazy
By nah on 8/22/2008 3:37:48 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
As for the scientists who worked on the Manhattan project, very few expressed any regrets.


What were the ideas of the project leaders--Einstein--whose letter to FDR started the Manhattan Project in the first place, or Bohr, Oppenheimer, Fermi--even Feynman--who was on the lower rungs--


RE: Iran is crazy
By Icelight on 8/22/2008 9:08:05 AM , Rating: 2
Those wouldn't help his "proof", so obviously they're not mentioned.


RE: Iran is crazy
By masher2 (blog) on 8/22/2008 11:28:34 AM , Rating: 3
> "What were the ideas of the project leaders--Einstein--whose letter to FDR started the Manhattan Project in the first place, or Bohr, Oppenheimer, Fermi--even Feynman"

Eistein was far from the "project leader". As for Fermi, he went on to help Ulam and Teller build the H-bomb. Bohr? He was a minor consultant to the project, who tried to convince everyone that we should work with the Russians to build the bomb even faster. At the time, Feynmann was was an incredibly minor figure; his work on the project was essentially irrelevant.

With Oppenheimer you have a point. However, the original statement being rebutted was that "nearly everyone" who worked on or delivered the bombs to Japan deeply regretted it. I demonstrated quite clearly that nothing could be further from the truth. Certainly out of the thousands involved, a few people did show regret, but many more expressed adamant support.


RE: Iran is crazy
By spuddyt on 8/21/2008 8:19:40 PM , Rating: 2
you would not be hard pressed to find "people" but I think anyone who knew the situation - who knew, and TRULY understood if you did not drop the bombs, then there would almost inevitably be a ground invasion that would cost millions of lives from both sides, THEN I think it would be hard to find people who would not drop the bombs. However, if you drop the bomb, or even give the order to drop it, if you have a normal human conscience, then you will view yourself, even if only in part, as responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of lives, and that would, at least for me, ruin the rest of my life from guilt


RE: Iran is crazy
By FITCamaro on 8/21/2008 11:10:21 PM , Rating: 2
I think the problem with guys like him is that they think we'd do it and enjoy it. He doesn't realize that we're choosing one bad outcome over one far worse.

If you had to kill a child to save a thousand? Could you? I think I could. Could you sacrifice yourself? Our Marine's risk doing it every day in Iraq so that hippies in California can berate them and call them murderers.


RE: Iran is crazy
By afkrotch on 8/22/2008 5:55:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
However, if you drop the bomb, or even give the order to drop it, if you have a normal human conscience, then you will view yourself, even if only in part, as responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of lives, and that would, at least for me, ruin the rest of my life from guilt


Doubt it. There's a big difference between taking a gun and shooting each individual, than dropping a bomb from thousands of feet up and never having seen a single face.

If I told you that if you make another post, that I would shoot and kill the person next to me. Knowing that, you posted again and I did shoot the person, you're life probably wouldn't be ruined. You might not even care.

If I were flying the plane dropping the bomb, never having seen any of their faces or families, I'd still be having a good night's sleep. Knowing that my own family was safe and secure.


RE: Iran is crazy
By DrKlahn on 8/22/2008 12:41:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you'd be hard pressed to find anyone other than ignorant armchair strategists (and fools who have never seen war) that agree with your statements.


The only thing worse is an armchair analyst who insists on projecting their opinion of events based on the comfort of hindsight. It's very easy judge Truman's decision based on 50 years of accumulated knowledge and being blessedly free of the weight of millions of lives hanging in the balance.

As others have pointed out WWII was a total war. Not the precise, smart bomb dominated, conflicts we see today. Both sides of the conflict treated civilian targets as legitimate.

So erase 50 years of knowledge of the after effects of using a nuclear device and put yourself into a conflict where your enemy is willing to fight to the last man, woman and child with millions hanging in the balance on both sides. Only then can one begin to understand the rationale of the decision.

The war with Japan was never going to have an easy ending. When faced with that prospect the best one can do is to minimize the damage. You do not have the luxury of hindsight or time, just the options on the table.


RE: Iran is crazy
By masher2 (blog) on 8/22/2008 2:25:03 PM , Rating: 2
A very good post. I'd also like to add that neither Hiroshima or Nagasaki were civilian targets. They were military targets in which a large number of civilians were present -- a very valid and crucial distinction. The difference is between randomly bombing Virginia, and targeting the Norfolk Naval base.

A nation cannot put military equipment "off limits" to attack by surrounding it with civilians. That's a basic rule of warfare, formalized by the Geneva convention.


RE: Iran is crazy
By andrinoaa on 8/24/2008 4:36:22 AM , Rating: 1
I am glad a "humanitarian" like yourself, has his priorities right.


RE: Iran is crazy
By afkrotch on 8/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Iran is crazy
By Jellodyne on 8/22/2008 11:09:14 AM , Rating: 2
Don't you know the best defense is a good offense?


RE: Iran is crazy
By afkrotch on 8/25/2008 3:20:55 AM , Rating: 2
I hate that statement. If the best defense is a good offense, explain Sept 11? Best defense is having a good defense. The offense is just there to retaliate.


RE: Iran is crazy
By BZDTemp on 8/21/2008 6:48:43 PM , Rating: 3
I think they may see that whole "weapons for defense" differently in Korea, Libya, Vietnam, Cuba...

Also some of all those "defense" weapons are being supplied to Israel which then use them to keep the occupation and oppression of a whole people going. And to Turkey which then use the weapons to kill and oppress the Kurdish minority inside Turkey and even across the border to Iraq.

I am troubled by the thought of yet another nation getting the bomb. But I am not so sure we in the west have the morale high ground to say Iran can not have it. Also it is not like there is proof they are building the bomb - if it was a cozy western country building centrifuges no one would make a fuzz. Fx. did you know Brazil supposedly has a nuclear weapons program?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/milit...

Sure the world is a better place without Saddam but he is not the only oppressive dictator. Surely a great reason for his downfall was the oil and not WMD (which WMD) or ties to terrorists(what terrorist. Bin Laden is not from Iraq).

If I was living in Iran I would look at my oil reserves and then look at what happened with Iraq. Then I would ask my self who is next on the Carter Doctrine list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Doctrine


RE: Iran is crazy
By Spuke on 8/21/08, Rating: 0
RE: Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/21/2008 7:16:21 PM , Rating: 2
I think they already are. Obviously they are preparing for an invasion from the US and/or Israel. God, I hope Israel takes them out.


RE: Iran is crazy
By BZDTemp on 8/21/08, Rating: 0
RE: Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/21/2008 8:46:20 PM , Rating: 2
Because Iran calls for the annihilation of an entire race, and arms & trains terrorists including Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel, well they just need all the methods possible of defending themselves from every neighbor that borders their country.


RE: Iran is crazy
By BZDTemp on 8/21/2008 9:28:27 PM , Rating: 4
And there aren't Israelis which are crying out for the destruction of Iran.

It seems to me that Israel are using it's weapons for offense rather than defense. In fact what they are doing looks like state terrorism. It may be that the people fighting for Israel to stop the occupation do not fight fair but how can you fight fair against a nation using gunships and tanks when you have nothing. The freedom fighters of WWII sure as hell did not fight fair and it's not like the Israeli are any less worse than the Nazi.

If any nation should know it's wrong to starve people and put them in camps it should be Israel but that has not stopped them doing it for decades. In fact they seem to exploit their history crying "antisemitism" every time there is a critical voice regarding their actions.


RE: Iran is crazy
By DigitalFreak on 8/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: Iran is crazy
By BZDTemp on 8/21/2008 11:15:00 PM , Rating: 4
The "score" is more than 10:1 in Israels favor and that is not counting the loss of lives in the occupied territories due to lack of food, health care or medicine.

The Israeli use tanks and gunships against people who can do little more than throw stones, fire dumb mini rockets or carry out suicide attacks.

Do you know what makes people do suicide attacks? Having no future, no hope and being totally desperate. They do it because the only chance their families may somehow get even a semi-decent life is if the price of occupying becomes to great for Israel.

You need to inform yourself about this conflict instead of just going with what FOX and CNN tell you.


RE: Iran is crazy
By KernD on 8/22/2008 12:18:26 AM , Rating: 2
That whole occupation BS I just don't get.
We know that the Palestinian are already in control of there land right now, hell they even had a power struggle last year and now they are split in two. Israel and Palestine may not be separate country right now, but they still act like they are. So where is the occupation? in east Jerusalem, so half a city is a good reason to die for? to call it an occupation?

If the Palestinian really all wanted peace, they would have it. But some in Palestine just want to kill all Jews and it is they, who keep this war going.
All those attacks you hear that Israel do is always, as said in the news, in retaliation to rockets that were fired on Israel.

All the Palestinian and people who read the new today seem to forget that there were no occupation of there land before they and the other country around Israel, decided to attack and lost that war.


RE: Iran is crazy
By BZDTemp on 8/22/2008 12:53:39 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Palestinian are already in control of there land


Sure they are. With Israeli settlements being expanded all over, with their access to water blocked, with their means of importing and exporting left to the will of Israel. If anything the Palestinian are in a prison with the Israeli being the sadistic prison guards.

BTW: A lot of the people living in the settlements have been imported from Russia so it's not exactly like they have any right to the land.

And sure there is a history that explains why Israel occupied the land in the first place but it goes back four decades. Isn't it long overdue to end the occupation? At the very least Israel could move back to the 1967 line but no in contrast to international agreements the settlements are being expanded. And the famed "peace wall" is not exactly following the 1967 line either.


RE: Iran is crazy
By Chillin1248 on 8/22/2008 4:02:44 AM , Rating: 5
Before I reply let me introduce myself. I am an Israeli combat soldier originally from America.

The Israeli use tanks and gunships against people who can do little more than throw stones, fire dumb mini rockets or carry out suicide attacks.

All you think they do is throw stones and fire "mini-rockets"..

Actually groups like Hezbollah and Hamas have some of the most advanced weapons out there, such as the Kornet, Fajir, M16s/AK47s, PKs, Katyushas and even APCs; yes APCs.

Do you know what makes people do suicide attacks? Having no future, no hope and being totally desperate. They do it because the only chance their families may somehow get even a semi-decent life is if the price of occupying becomes to great for Israel.

Sure, that's why the guys in Gaza are being so nice now that Israel has fully pulled out from there. I bet you think
all those missiles coming over to us from Gaza are filled with candy.

You need to inform yourself about this conflict instead of just going with what FOX and CNN tell you.

And you know of course because you don't either get all your news from there, I mean the way you talk it sounds like you are right here and not in the U.S. or whatever other place you come from.

-------
Chillin


RE: Iran is crazy
By nah on 8/22/2008 9:37:22 AM , Rating: 2
The basic point is injustice does occur in some situations--like the daily humiliations of traveling in Israeli occupied areas--Israel has an obvious right to look after the safety of their citizens--but its difficult to get it through to the Palestinian psyche.In a certain city in Israel any Palestinian house cannot be more than one storied--not to mention the fact that out of the remaining mosques in Tel Aviv--one was used as a factory (and forcibly occupied till recently)for making plastics and another was almost converted to be a coffee house by the son of ex-PM Shimon Peres.
All I'm trying to say is that Israel should act more like a Western democracy and not like some of the Middle Eastern fiefdoms which surround it--


RE: Iran is crazy
By BZDTemp on 8/22/2008 1:27:05 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you for the introduction and let you know a bit of my background. I'm a Dane (That's a person from Denmark for those who does not know this) and it is not like I have any direct involvement in the conflict. I do however know a few people from the region. A colleague of mine fled from Iran when the priests took over, a neighbor is from the occupied territories and I have friends which have lived in Israel.

Sure you can throw in a few names of Russian made gizmo's but it's not like they can be used for any real attack on Israel. Nor are they of any real value against gunships, tanks or F-16's for that matter. I did not know of any APC's but I do not suppose you consider that an attack weapon?

And as for Israel having pulled out. Sure - and what about the settlements? The blockades? The "peace wall" build not on any sort of border but on Palestine land and so on.

I know there are lots of moderate Israeli people tired of the conflict wishing for peace and security. But unfortunately it does not seem like those in power in Israel feel the same way. And any time the EU tries to pressure them towards peace it seems the call out "antisemitism" - something which I think wrong and actually disrespectful to the millions of people having lost their lives due to real antisemitism.

As for knowledge. I get my news from all over meaning local danish news, BBC World, Jerusalem Post (not everyday but often), CNN... Fox, not so much as it's is VERY biased so that is more like a sort of entertainment just like The Daily Show.


RE: Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/22/2008 2:28:13 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I get my news from all over meaning local danish news, BBC World, Jerusalem Post (not everyday but often), CNN... Fox, not so much as it's is VERY biased so that is more like a sort of entertainment just like The Daily Show.

You cannot be serious in saying that you don't like Fox News because its biased, but you consider the BBC a credible source.

Now I've heard it all.


RE: Iran is crazy
By kyp275 on 8/22/2008 11:17:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
As for knowledge. I get my news from all over meaning local danish news, BBC World, Jerusalem Post (not everyday but often), CNN... Fox, not so much as it's is VERY biased so that is more like a sort of entertainment just like The Daily Show.


I'm sorry, coming from personal experience, unless you have boots on the ground, as in you're actually there, where the **** hits the fan, your opinions are little more than educated guess. Especially when you're getting your info from the media, which excels at everything except describing the actual events accurately.

quote:
Sure you can throw in a few names of Russian made gizmo's but it's not like they can be used for any real attack on Israel.


what's "real attack" for you? do you even have any idea how guerilla warfare works? They may not be able to invade and overthrow Israel, but those weapons work well enough for what the intended targets, which are the civilians.

If you still think those Russian gizmos are only good for fake attacks, maybe you should put yourself on the wrong end of an AK and see what happens :P


RE: Iran is crazy
By smitty3268 on 8/22/2008 12:16:51 AM , Rating: 2
While I disagree with most of BZD said (the Israeli's are NOT comparable to the Nazis in any way) I'm not sure I agree with you either. How is strapping a bomb to your chest and blowing yourself up killing a dozen people any worse than killing a dozen people by a helicopter rocket attack?

People view "terrorism" as a dirty little cheat that no one but the worst of the worst would use, but war is supposed to be dirty. You don't get extra points for behaving "honourably," and guerrilla warfare has been around since the dawn of time.


RE: Iran is crazy
By geeg on 8/22/2008 12:05:53 PM , Rating: 1
The suicide bombers and Israelis are from the same origin, I bet they have very close genetics. check:
http://www.allaboutpalestine.com/yabbse/index.php?...

It is your last sentence that is the reason why there are still wars on his planet. This is not final fantasy VII.


RE: Iran is crazy
By JustTom on 8/22/2008 9:48:40 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
The freedom fighters of WWII sure as hell did not fight fair and it's not like the Israeli are any less worse than the Nazi.


Are you actually equating Israel with Nazi Germany? You do realize if Israel truly wished to it could eradicate the Palestinian problem by eradicating the Palestinians? Frankly, I have always believed the establishment of Israel to be a historical mistake but under no valid criteria can they be equated with Nazis.


RE: Iran is crazy
By masher2 (blog) on 8/22/2008 12:23:49 PM , Rating: 2
> " Also it is not like there is proof they are building the bomb"

There's enough proof to convict them in any court of law I know.

> "I am troubled by the thought of yet another nation getting the bomb. But I am not so sure we in the west have the morale high ground to say Iran can not have it. "

In other words, you know its a problem, but you lack the moral courage to address it.

Unfortunately, many in the West share your viewpoint. And eventually it won't end until every nation and a dozen or so major terrorist organizations all have nuclear weapons. Then god help us.


RE: Iran is crazy
By FITCamaro on 8/21/2008 5:44:08 PM , Rating: 2
Well they did say "in the region". As far as I know, no other Middle Eastern country has launched anything into space.


RE: Iran is crazy
By borismkv on 8/21/2008 6:35:27 PM , Rating: 3
Well, there was that one incident with the camel and the fire hose...but still.


RE: Iran is crazy
By CyberHawk on 8/21/2008 6:22:58 PM , Rating: 2
If it was done in the past .... why do you feel so threatened?


RE: Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/21/2008 6:24:26 PM , Rating: 1
No one is threatened by space travel. Its the ulterior motives for the rockets.


RE: Iran is crazy
By Spuke on 8/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: Iran is crazy
By mdogs444 on 8/21/2008 7:36:31 PM , Rating: 1
I'm not worry about Iran shooting them off....I'm worried about who they'll sell them to and where they will shoot them off from.


RE: Iran is crazy
By afkrotch on 8/22/2008 6:46:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Dude, since the US is pretty much outside their range anyways.


If it can launch into space, the US is well within it's range. More like every spot on the planet is within it's range. Launch it into orbit, then reenter at it's intended target.

How about being able to launch anti-satellite weapons?

There's even the possibility of simply selling off the technology to neighboring countries.


RE: Iran is crazy
By Pneumothorax on 8/21/2008 9:46:51 PM , Rating: 2
Do some research into USA's own space program. We developed ICBM tech alongside lauching satellites/men into space. An ICBM armed jihadist country scares me to death as MAD isn't effective with terrorists.
Their policy would be "Let's nuke the whole world and let Allah sort it out!"


RE: Iran is crazy
By tuteja1986 on 8/21/2008 8:30:48 PM , Rating: 2
Can anyone say ICBM : )

I wonder what that ICBM will have :!

Hope ?
Peace ?

Ahh... Bush is moron :! he pissed of the russian and broke the M.A.D Agreement which made sure that each side would blow it self to stone age if either decide to launch its nuke. I doubt that stupid starwar defence will work if some crazy idiot thinks nuke is a just cause to destroy their enemy.


RE: Iran is crazy
By Yossarian22 on 8/22/2008 3:15:28 AM , Rating: 2
Did you use a very crappy online translator? That is the only way I can imagine a post turning into... whatever you just said.


RE: Iran is crazy
By headbox on 8/22/2008 12:02:41 AM , Rating: 3
ZOG wants you to believe Iran is a threat as an excuse to wage wars for oil and to keep Israel safe. The rich get richer every time someone says "oh no, Iran is a threat." Anyone with a modest knowledge of the globe knows Iran is no threat, just like Iraq wasn't. But the millions of sheep are easily fooled, like you.


RE: Iran is crazy
By Xajel on 8/22/2008 5:57:15 AM , Rating: 2
they said in the reagion not in the world !!

and some guys here already beated me, I was to say that bush will say yeah Iran will build some weapon system and so he will claim the right of war !!

It's US idiotity to have every thing Iran do as terror where US doing it so long is normal and a technology advance !! knowing that US it self is the worlds most advance country in weapons and weapons development programs !!


I don't like this
By James Wood Carter on 8/21/2008 5:26:58 PM , Rating: 4
Yet again a thread with no new technology - only a place for more political opinions being expressed.




RE: I don't like this
By mdogs444 on 8/21/08, Rating: 0
RE: I don't like this
By Some1ne on 8/21/2008 5:40:57 PM , Rating: 3
Because the subject of the article is really just the country, and not the technology. This is underscored by the fact that the article has virtually 0 discussion of the technology Iran is planning to actually use to get into space (you get a general idea of what their plans are, that they want to develop their tech "in-house", but no actual concrete details...and then you get a nice section about how people don't like Iran's nuclear program and are feeling nervous about its space program).

If the title was "United States Plans to Launch Astronaut Into Space in Next 10 Years", it wouldn't be news. The technology to send an astronaut into space has been around for decades. But replace "United States" with "Iran", and all of a sudden it's newsworthy, not because of the technology, but because of the country.


RE: I don't like this
By FITCamaro on 8/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: I don't like this
By Some1ne on 8/21/2008 5:53:15 PM , Rating: 3
Un-newsworthy from a technological sense, yes. If it's already been done, then it doesn't matter how many other people try to do it, unless there is something novel or innovative about their approach that hasn't been seen before. That's not the case with this story (or if there is anything innovative about Iran's approach, it isn't mentioned here), so it has little value as technology news.

As the original poster pointed out, the only actual news here is of the political sort, and it doens't really belong on a site dedicated to tech news.


RE: I don't like this
By JohnnyCNote on 8/21/2008 6:36:43 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Yet again a thread with no new technology - only a place for more political opinions being expressed.


I agree 100%! They're simply throwing stories out to generate click-through revenue. If I want politics, I'll go to a political site . . .


RE: I don't like this
By Icelight on 8/22/2008 9:18:01 AM , Rating: 3
You must not have been visiting DailyTech for a while. Clearly you missed the site transitioning away from DailyTech to a Daily"watch two contributors duke it out constantly over green solutions damaging whatever reputation this site may have ever had and then read some political news...if you're lucky there may be a tech story or two".


By BZDTemp on 8/21/2008 11:28:08 PM , Rating: 2
You need to look up the Carter doctrine and consider why Iraq was invaded. Next consider why there is so much focus of Iran (hint: they have a lot of oil).

As for Iran needing ICBM's to strike the US. Please it would be so easy to put a nuke in a container, address it to the Big Apple and have it go boom once it gets there with a regular container ship.

But realistically no country in the world with a nuclear arsenal smaller than the US or Russia would ever use the bomb except for some sort of last breath revenge attack. They would know it would mean their own destruction so IF Iran is building a nuke it's for defense since they would logically have to fear the US want to control their oil.


By kahless on 8/22/2008 4:10:34 AM , Rating: 2
Iran should be stopped - really? What has Iran done to you? I can understand Americans and I really have sympathy for your people because of the bad time you had back in 1979 in Tehran. On the other hand, have you ever hard of Iran Air Flight 655?

You should also try to understand other nations, they want to develop their own industries, technologies (including weapons and space program), they have different religion, beliefs and culture. They don't need USA to tell them what is right or wrong. Let me quote a song "Little Boy Soldiers" by Jam:

"We ruled the world - we killed and robbed,
The fucking lot - but we don't feel bad.
It was done beneath the flag of democracy..."


By Heyga4Huk on 8/22/2008 4:47:47 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Iran will probably be the country that starts World War Three...Islamists + Nuclear ICBM= Death of all us so called infidels...Iran wants to have the capability to strike the US..hopefully the US will park their missile defence shield in Iraq to make the terrorists in Iran to think again. Hopefully either President McCain or Obama will declare war on this country soon. My two cents...


That's precisely the attitude the Western media is trying to give to you. Iran is purely defending itself and its right to develop as a nation. The country right now has as many "WMD's" as Iraq had prior to the invasion.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?...

Iran has granted access to unexpected IAEA inspections, and despite numerous falsified media reports, has not refused such an inspection yet. Can I continue the logic that IAEA is clearly biased, and Austria (HQ location) should be invaded pre-emptively because they are in league with the criminal democratically elected country of Iran.

I am a Bulgarian living in the US, and as much sympathy I have to the country, I have to point out that appearing to search for an excuse to attack Iran is hypocritical at least.


By masher2 (blog) on 8/22/2008 12:27:57 PM , Rating: 1
Why not read the actual IAEA source documents itself? It's not "all just a conspiracy". The IAEA has serious, valid concerns with Iran's nuclear ambitions. If you've gathered otherwise, you've formed the wrong impression.

http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Transcripts/2007/ft...


By andrinoaa on 8/24/2008 4:43:33 AM , Rating: 2
Full of neocon shit, you are. What do you think made the Iranians angry at your country? Fix that first, then maybe you might want your leaders to talk more and shoot less. Are you a voice piece for every ned neck around too? Wow, now you have two names glowboy and dickhead.


I think this is a great idea!
By bigboxes on 8/21/2008 6:21:05 PM , Rating: 2
First thing would be to test the rocket by shooting Ahmadinejad into space.




By RaisedinUS on 8/21/2008 6:40:37 PM , Rating: 2
Now now.....the REAL reason is to convert the man in the moon to islam.


RE: I think this is a great idea!
By mdogs444 on 8/21/2008 6:41:04 PM , Rating: 2
Can we PLEASE put Venezuela's Chavez in there with him? We may need an additional booster though for his fat ***.


Attention Iran
By iFX on 8/22/2008 3:30:44 AM , Rating: 2
The world is laughing at you.




RE: Attention Iran
By kahless on 8/22/2008 3:41:43 AM , Rating: 2
You laugh at everything you don't understand and which is different from your own culture.


RE: Attention Iran
By iFX on 8/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Attention Iran
By Jellodyne on 8/22/2008 12:17:44 PM , Rating: 2
I saw an interesting piece on suicide bombers which claimed this sort of sense of impotence and humiiation is what fuels them. So...

Attention Iran, the world is laughing WITH you.


they can do it today
By lucyfek on 8/21/2008 10:35:36 PM , Rating: 2
we all know that they have plenty of volunteers to carry out suicide mission.




RE: they can do it today
By themengsk176 on 8/22/2008 2:42:55 AM , Rating: 2
Why would Iran ever pre emptively use a nuclear weapon? Anyone who suggests such a thing really doesn't think very critically about the situation.

The diplomatic and international advantages they would get simply from having a bomb would far outweigh it's actual use. Using it would swiftly bring an end to Iran as a political entity (so much for them being a huge threat to the west).


Hooray Iran!
By sgtdisturbed47 on 8/22/2008 7:37:46 AM , Rating: 2
Now THEY can have space disasters. Except with them, nobody will care if they burn up on reentry. It will just be "Oh, look, an Iranian space shuttle burning up. Where's my beer?"




RE: Hooray Iran!
By TaN00Ki on 8/22/2008 10:35:08 AM , Rating: 2
Whether it's moon exploration or nuclear, these are all white's man invention used for destructive purposes based on religious fanaticism.


Iran = Great Persia
By darklord2 on 8/24/2008 4:16:02 AM , Rating: 2
I thought peoples who came to "dailytech" are rational!
I wanna know, did you see to Iran? how? and When?

Look:

http://shivathespy.com/BlogImages/hamidi2.jpg

http://pnvp.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/...

http://www.tehran.ir/Portals/45/Image/1386/16/1386...

http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/110361.jp...

http://rcs-graph.persiangig.ir/image/Ramsar%201.jp...

WOW!
http://www6.worldisround.com/photos/27/547/291.jpg
http://uk.geocities.com/iranwal/Iran-North-Shomal-...
http://uk.geocities.com/iranwal/Iran-Kalardasht.jp...
http://mobitools.atwiki.com/file/open/1/lap.jpg
http://www6.worldisround.com/photos/27/239/610.jpg
http://www6.worldisround.com/photos/27/532/346.jpg
http://www6.worldisround.com/photos/22/460/80.jpg
http://www.gbto.ir/gilan/anzali.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/nima_ghk/12102007361.JPG

And... at least: http://bmspages.com/iranTehran.jsp

Anything which we have righ now is a gift from Persians! don't forget this. Iranians are not ARAB... their AUTARCHY Governments are fellowship of ARABS.
I traveld to Iran, they hate their Gov but in front of any foreigner they just say: "If there is no Iran, I prefer to be Dead".
Now go and change your mind! Iran, The "Great Persia"; was the first and most powerfull CULTURE of the Earth.




RE: Iran = Great Persia
By darklord2 on 8/24/2008 4:18:12 AM , Rating: 2
at Last i forgot to say excuse for my poor english...


By nofumble62 on 8/22/2008 2:46:28 AM , Rating: 2
when they board the space station.




Everybody is happy !
By crystal clear on 8/22/2008 11:35:33 AM , Rating: 2
If you guys call Iran crazy then you should call yourelf crazy to believe all what Iran claims to have achieved or plans to achieve.

They barely can build a super computer of their own, capable of doing something considered very routine in the west.

Yes they do claim they have a supercomputer built with some AMD parts smuggled via Dubai.
I am sure your workstation performs better.....

Dont believe all that propoganda ...it only helps the Pentagon use it to scare those senators to pass those multi billion dollar projects.

Also helps Israel get some extra F (some digits) fighter planes & more advanced weoponary etc.passed by the senate.

Those defence company just enjoy these Iranian claims to get more defence projects passed by the Senate.

Yes evrybody is happy right fron those defence contractors to pentagon to Israel to the ayotollahs.

Yes with photo shop everything is possible enough to convince those fanatical ayotollahs who nothing except the Koran.

Let the bashing begin....




Launch Plan !
By shady3005 on 8/22/2008 3:49:38 PM , Rating: 2
1. Kidnap an american
2. Tie him to a rocket
3. Fire the rocket
4. Announce to the world 'Man Launched into Space by Iran'




One way trip?
By lagomorpha on 8/22/2008 7:25:19 PM , Rating: 2
Launching an astronaut into space is easy. The trick is bringing him back.




p30experts.com
By darklord2 on 8/24/2008 4:21:42 AM , Rating: 2
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