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It will take more than superiority on paper to beat the iPad

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that with the iPad selling so well over its opening weekend that we will have loads of competing tablet computers coming to market very soon. One of the tablet machines that we heard about back at CES in January was the HP Slate.

The first glimpse we caught of the Slate is when Microsoft's Steve Ballmer showed the device off during his CES keynote speech. Some are already calling the Slate an iPad killer and whether or not that turns out to be true remains to be seen. 
InformationWeek reports that some of the key features that users are bemoaning the lack of on the iPad are front and center on the Slate. Things like support for Flash, a camera, SD card slot, and USB connectivity are all featured on the Slate.

InformationWeek also reports that HP released a video of the Slate in action this week that was a scant 30 seconds, but offered enough details to stoke some geek lust in many. The video of the device emphasizes the Windows 7 operating system, which makes the HP Slate much more extendable and open than the iPad. HP is still mum on when we might expect the Slate to hit the market, though it is widely expected to land this fall.

Engadget has a slick chart that shows the difference between the key features of the HP tablet and the iPad. On paper at least it appears that the Slate has the muscle to defeat the iPad. The HP Slate will reportedly cost $549, run a 1.63 GHz Atom Z530 processor, and have five hours of battery life. That is about half the run time that the iPad promises. The Slate also has a smaller 8.9-inch screen compared to the iPad's 9.7-inch screen and a 1024 x 768 screen resolution. 

The base iPad 16GB model is also about $50 cheaper than the entry-level HP Slate. The main ingredient that the HP Slate lacks is the might of the Apple marketing machine and the hoards of fanatically loyal users that Apple boasts.

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The ipad...
By MrBlastman on 4/6/2010 10:31:59 AM , Rating: 5
Doesn't need to be killed... it is dead already, to me at least.

RE: The ipad...
By reader1 on 4/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: The ipad...
By weskurtz0081 on 4/6/2010 12:07:53 PM , Rating: 5
LOL, quoting POTENTIAL sales figures for something that just released. Yeah, we all know the projections are ALWAYS accurate.

List of iPad problems.

Here is a link to a list of customer complaints about the iPad so far.

RE: The ipad...
By reader1 on 4/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: The ipad...
By Alexstarfire on 4/6/2010 1:15:46 PM , Rating: 4
Funny, as always Reader1. Keep up the good work. :)

RE: The ipad...
By 67STANG on 4/6/2010 1:17:55 PM , Rating: 4
reader1: Put the Kool-Aid down.

The HP slate has this thing beat on everything except battery life. Of course, that's probably because it has a 600MHz advantage on the CPU end (and likely, a more robust graphics CPU). I'm thinking that one could underclock this thing all they down to the iPad's relatively slow 1GHz and gain a few hours of battery life.

You must first ask yourself, "Why does the Slate need a 1.6GHz processor, when the iPad makes due with a 1GHZ processor?" The answer is simple: the Slate can do more-- and do it faster.

For $50 more you get a real OS, USB port, camera, and a card slot-- you know, the things that the iPad should have come with... The Slate looks better too, IMHO.

If I were in the market for a tablet, which I'm not (I already have 2 workstations, 1 notebook, 1 netbook and an iPhone), then I would definitely buy a Slate. But then again, I'm an educated consumer that isn't swayed with BS buzzwords like "magical" or "revolutionary".

RE: The ipad...
By reader1 on 4/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: The ipad...
By kake on 4/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: The ipad...
By teldar on 4/6/2010 5:18:34 PM , Rating: 2
Don't you know that Apple is the only company that has the ability to create and expand?
MS is apparently bound to do only what they have done in the past.

There is no improvement without Apple.
Apple gives all.
Apple is all.

At least if you're reader1

RE: The ipad...
By borismkv on 4/6/2010 7:24:51 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, Windows 7 has mad some significant improvements on Tablet style interfaces. It provides multi-touch capability and has a much improved on-screen keyboard. I doubt it's going to have the issues related to XP and Vista in the tablet arena.

RE: The ipad...
By rocky12345 on 4/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: The ipad...
By damianrobertjones on 4/14/2010 9:26:56 AM , Rating: 1
Have you used the Windows 7 Touch features? Did you change the dpi to 125%? I have and... it works VERY well.

RE: The ipad...
By atlmann10 on 4/9/2010 1:23:50 AM , Rating: 2
As far as that comparison goes it would cost $100 if you had to buy 7, which I would do with an iPad anyway, well if I actually had $500 to waste on a paperweight anyway!

Here is another good quote on the iGotPlaid

"Nevertheless, we agree with iFixit that, on a hardware level, "there's not much revolutionary here." Apple has essentially built a triple-layer, package-on-package custom chip using off-the-shelf components. Like the company does for the rest of its computing product, it takes something that's readily available in the technology marketplace and layers it with custom software to provide a markedly different experience."

RE: The ipad...
By seamonkey79 on 4/6/2010 1:31:09 PM , Rating: 1
Prevented PCs from advancing?

The what?

RE: The ipad...
By gralex on 4/6/2010 1:39:42 PM , Rating: 5
Old fart that I am, my better judgment is telling me not to get in a war of words with the legend that is reader1.

However said old fart remembers a time before laptops, when pretty much all PCs were custom built. If I had to define the moment PCs went from "geeks" to homes, it would have to be windows98&98SE copied on CD-R. In hindsight MS wasn't even trying to stop piracy. And boy did THAT relaxed attitude pay off! Sure it was probably premeditated but as a matter of pushing things forward... I think MS should get more credit for the years between 1995-2002.

Had Sociopath Steve been the one calling the shots, I think it would be safe to say that computers would have had a much slower evolution.

RE: The ipad...
By cochy on 4/6/2010 10:31:21 PM , Rating: 2
I think MS should get more credit for the years between 1995-2002.

Steve Jobs said in an interview while he was working at Pixar that Apple had a 10 year technology lead on MS in the late 80s early 90s but by the time Windows 95 came out they had blown by Apple.

RE: The ipad...
By weskurtz0081 on 4/6/2010 2:54:58 PM , Rating: 3
What good is an IPS panel if the screen has so much glare that you need to be in a dark environment?

Ease of use? The damn thing must be extremely difficult to type on.

Apps run circles around web sites? Reports have been that they have been VERY buggy, and they are much more expensive than iPhone apps! YAY!

RE: The ipad...
By JAB on 4/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: The ipad...
By weskurtz0081 on 4/7/2010 2:24:41 PM , Rating: 2
The screen glare has been widely complained about.

The WIFI on the device is poor.

There are sites that use flash for more than Ads.

I don't want to have to use a remote desktop and a VPN JUST to go to a site that uses flash, that's just stupid.

RE: The ipad...
By atlmann10 on 4/9/2010 1:27:19 AM , Rating: 2
Not to mention if you take it outside it will overheat, of course you can't read it in a lit room much less outside!

RE: The ipad...
By rocky12345 on 4/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: The ipad...
By Senju on 4/6/2010 11:38:57 PM , Rating: 1
I complete agree with Reader 1.
iPAD rules!!!
I am waiting for the 3G version to come out.
I may get for my Mom as well. :-)
We are seeing yet another great milestone in human history revolution.

RE: The ipad...
By cheetah2k on 4/8/2010 9:53:21 PM , Rating: 2
Here is a link to a list of customer complaints about the iPad so far.

Its ok, Apple will release a number of OS fixes and updates..... which every ipad user will have to pay for!

Imagine these figures - say eg. 300,000 ipads on the first day x $15 for each updates (and I'm sure an update will come soon!) = $4.5M....

Everything the iPad stands for is revenue.. I'll take the HP slate thankyou, which has pretty much endless end user support and updates for free.

RE: The ipad...
By ieskorp on 4/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: The ipad...
By kamel5547 on 4/6/2010 2:09:59 PM , Rating: 2
Funny because once the first day sales number came out the target dropped like a rock (its about 3 million as of this morning). Good cherry picking of the sales estimate, as the highest estiamte was the iSuppli one based on 600-799k in first day sales (I find it mildly funny that iSuppli has the highest estimate for the iPad).

Wall Street Journal (I believe this to be the source, but it could be Barron's) managed to quote someone in line (yesterday's Journal or this weeks Barron's) saying that if Apple made a microwave for $1,000 they would buy that too. Lots of quotes of people saying they were die hard fans, I'd like to see how sales stack up over the next couple weeks when the number of Apple fans will already have purchased theirs.

RE: The ipad...
By Gungel on 4/6/2010 10:46:47 AM , Rating: 5
What kills the iPad is all the subscription based services. You can easily add another $50 per month just to get your newspaper, magazines, TV-shows and other subscription based services. The future for me is less subscriptions. I already got read of my landline phone, cut down on cable content, canceled my local new papers and all magazine subscriptions. The internet is my free media hub.
It becomes now very clear what the real reason us behind Apples anti flash stance. Its content control to fill apples money bags.

RE: The ipad...
By Gungel on 4/6/2010 10:48:54 AM , Rating: 2
got "rid" not "read"

RE: The ipad...
By xsilver on 4/6/2010 10:54:00 AM , Rating: 2
This HP thing looks way thicker than the ipad and even with the z530 cpu is killed in battery life.

The key in this sector I believe as usual will be price - If they can get it down to cheap netbook pricing, then many people would be interested because a good proportion of people using netbooks only use them for general surfing/viewing which is perfect for a no keyboard device.

RE: The ipad...
By Drag0nFire on 4/6/2010 11:19:44 AM , Rating: 2
Also key in this sector is the "instant on" capability. More powerful machines running Win7 are bound to fail in this area, a great strength for the iPad. This is one of those silly features that looks silly on paper (why can't you wait 10 seconds for Windows to come out of suspend?) but actually matters a ton to consumers.

RE: The ipad...
By Spivonious on 4/6/2010 11:23:55 AM , Rating: 2
Win7 comes out of sleep in <5 seconds ready to go on my desktop. With solid-state storage I imagine this would be even faster.

With that said, HP better be working on extending the battery life. I have heard lots of people saying that the 10 hour battery life is a major reason they're considering the iPad over a similarly priced netbook or laptop.

RE: The ipad...
By reader1 on 4/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: The ipad...
By weskurtz0081 on 4/6/2010 12:34:33 PM , Rating: 2
It's also cool that you can charge your iPad from a PC's USB port..... oh wait, you can't, you can only do that off of an Apple product! No App for that!

RE: The ipad...
By gralex on 4/6/2010 1:56:08 PM , Rating: 3
But if I DO buy the custom-iPad-dongle-thingy, will I be able to connect my Apple to my peach?

RE: The ipad...
By Anoxanmore on 4/6/2010 4:29:28 PM , Rating: 2
Only while wearing a black turtle-neck sweater with too short jeans ; - )

RE: The ipad...
By 2bdetermine on 4/6/2010 12:55:48 PM , Rating: 3
Where had you been all this time?
Living in a cave!
Ever heard of surface computing?

Do a search Microsoft Courier for a demo.

RE: The ipad...
By clovell on 4/6/2010 1:45:19 PM , Rating: 4
HP has assets and product line diversity that Apple couldn't hold a candle to. If it comes to an all-out price war, HP can eat them for breakfast.

Think, dammit.

RE: The ipad...
By DFranch on 4/6/2010 6:51:57 PM , Rating: 2
I've never heard somebody brag that a company made a substantial profit from their purchase. Silly me, I'm always trying to get a good deal on things. I never considered the advantages to me of Apple making a 50% - 100% profit on purchases I make. I think I'll go out any buy an Mac, iPhone and an iPad. Thank you for showing me that it is better if Steve Jobs has all of my money.

RE: The ipad...
By nbachman on 4/6/2010 11:23:44 AM , Rating: 2
According to the spec sheet from engadget the Slate is .07 inches thicker than the iPad.

RE: The ipad...
By nbachman on 4/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: The ipad...
By MadMan007 on 4/6/2010 11:33:08 AM , Rating: 5
Wait, what?
this device will measure 9.2" x 5.7" x 0.6"
If this is 0.7" thicker that means the iPad is -.1" thick? :o I guess that IS magical!!

RE: The ipad...
By nbachman on 4/6/2010 11:37:16 AM , Rating: 2
My first post was correct, 0.07 inches thicker. The author rounded up to 0.6, its 0.57 inches thick compared to the iPads 0.5.

RE: The ipad...
By MadMan007 on 4/6/2010 12:49:59 PM , Rating: 2
lol. np, it was obviously a mistake to say it's 0.7" thicker and it gave me a chance to make the 'magical' joke :D

RE: The ipad...
By troysavary on 4/6/2010 8:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
The Slate and the iPad are, for all intents and purposes, the same thinkness. The .07 of an inch if negligable. The iPad only looks thinner in pics because it uses the same trick as the Macbook Air, being thinner at the edges than the middle. This, in the iPad, has the unfortunate side effect of giving it a slightly convex back, making it a bit awkward to easily slide under the arm and hold it well, since it is also a little slippery. Worse, though, it means it rocks slightly when laid flat, making it a PITA to ype on when laying on a table. Not sure who they hired for ergonomic design, but I would fire him.

RE: The ipad...
By MadMan007 on 4/6/2010 9:33:36 PM , Rating: 3
They already fired him, if anyone even ever held that position. It's not designed for ergonomic superiority, it's designed to look pretty.

RE: The ipad...
By eddieroolz on 4/7/2010 2:21:49 AM , Rating: 2
Exatly, my friend.

The Big Difference...
By lightfoot on 4/6/2010 11:21:18 AM , Rating: 5
The biggest difference between the HP and the iPad is that the HP is a computer; the iPad is an accessory.

RE: The Big Difference...
By teng029 on 4/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: The Big Difference...
By das mod on 4/6/2010 12:32:16 PM , Rating: 5
no, yours was

RE: The Big Difference...
By funkyd99 on 4/6/2010 5:26:30 PM , Rating: 2
Steve Jobs admitted this isn't a computer... Dailytech just gave me this quote at the bottom of the page:

"We don't know how to make a $500 computer that's not a piece of junk." -- Apple CEO Steve Jobs

Therefore, unless Jobs thinks the iPad is a POS, it is not a computer :)

RE: The Big Difference...
By sbtech on 4/7/2010 9:33:12 AM , Rating: 1
Actually he is correct in a way. No matter what Steve Jobs marketing stance is, the IPad is a tablet PC without a keyboard - technically.

Before you all go its a Mac etc., a Mac is a PC with a different OS, no matter what Apple marketing wants people to believe.

RE: The Big Difference...
By HotFoot on 4/6/2010 1:05:56 PM , Rating: 2
Lovely for both of them...

They seem completely useless to me. But that's to me. Kudos to people finding something they've been wanting.

RE: The Big Difference...
By clovell on 4/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: The Big Difference...
By lightfoot on 4/6/2010 3:00:33 PM , Rating: 4
Actually I agree with your post almost entirely. But it only further proves that the iPad is an accessory, not a computer. Even with 64 GB of memory on the high end unit, many people will need a separate device to manage their media collection (especially if they are viewing HD video on the iPad.)

Although it is a wonderful concept of having all your media on the iPad and being able to sync it with iTunes over a wireless connection it simply isn't realistic. This device is a media consumption device that compliments the computer; it does not (and can not) replace the functionality of a computer.

This device (the iPad) must be managed with a computer and thus be tethered to a computer. That is why, in my opinion, this is a computer accessory. This does not mean that it is a bad device, in fact it is probably the best and coolest computer accessory ever devised. It just means that it is far too limited to replace what is typically done with either a desktop or a notebook computer.

I make no presumptions about which device is better, the HP or the iPad. I just felt it necessary to point out that they are two very different product categories.

Note: The term "computer" as I have used it can refer to any Personal Computer running Windows, OSX or Linux. I have intentionally avoided the use of the term PC due to the confusion caused by the Mac vs PC advertisements. Although the iPad is technically a computer, it does not have the functionality typically attributed to a Personal Computer.

RE: The Big Difference...
By clovell on 4/6/2010 3:06:47 PM , Rating: 2
So very true on all counts - well said.

RE: The Big Difference...
By clovell on 4/6/2010 4:29:03 PM , Rating: 2
I'd also offer that the Slate will get no traction if it markets itself only as a computer.

This market segment will not buy a computer that does not perform the duties of an accessory.

RE: The Big Difference...
By clovell on 4/6/2010 5:03:05 PM , Rating: 2
Also - to be fair, you cited storage as a limiting factor for the iPad. That point cuts against the Slate, too. I think you'd be doing a long stretch to say something is a 'computer' or 'not a computer' here. There's a spectrum that's being created. And while the iPad sits closer to 'not a computer' than the Slate, the Slate is still a distance from being a 'computer'.

RE: The Big Difference...
By MadMan007 on 4/6/2010 5:07:48 PM , Rating: 3
Huh? The Slate is basically a touchscreen netbook without a keyboard. How do you figure that does not solidly qualify it as a computer?

RE: The Big Difference...
By lightfoot on 4/6/2010 11:31:12 PM , Rating: 2
you cited storage as a limiting factor for the iPad. That point cuts against the Slate, too.

Not so. Why? Because the Slate has a USB port that an external hard drive can be connected to. The simple addition of a single USB port allows the HP Tablet to be the hub device, not just the peripheral. Windows 7 is already supported by countless USB devices. Printers, hard drives, optical drives, printers, keyboards, mice, cameras, iPods, and even (ironically) the iPad.

RE: The Big Difference...
By safcman84 on 4/7/2010 7:41:35 AM , Rating: 2
Can you imagine the adverts?

Use the HP slate to manage your computer accessories- - these can include the iPad, iPhone and iTouch.

RE: The Big Difference...
By clovell on 4/7/2010 10:54:58 AM , Rating: 2
Sure it has the capability, but then factor in the additional cost of those peripherals. The point still cuts - just maybe not so deep.

RE: The Big Difference...
By mmntech on 4/6/2010 5:04:07 PM , Rating: 2
Definitely, even if it is just Atom based, it's still pretty impressive. This is what netbooks should have been. 32gb storage for the same price. Battery life could be better though and the UMA chip will kill any gaming possibilities. Still, I'll be following it closely.

By MadMan007 on 4/6/2010 11:36:34 AM , Rating: 2
Indeed. I am quite tired of reading reputable tech sites calling the iPad a 'computer.' If they really mean it's a computer then all smartphones are too but they don't call smartphones computers.

By MadMan007 on 4/6/2010 11:37:07 AM , Rating: 2
wtf, reply fail :/

By MadMan007 on 4/6/2010 1:16:39 PM , Rating: 2
This was supposed to be a reply to
The biggest difference between the HP and the iPad is that the HP is a computer; the iPad is an accessory.

Android Tablets
By Abrahmm on 4/6/2010 11:30:18 AM , Rating: 3
Android based tablets are going to be the tablets to beat. The Notion Ink Adam looks amazing and ASUS has one up their sleeves too. Marvell's $99 tablet may make a big splash too. Those are going to be the products to beat. I just wish they would get half the media attention the journalistic cheerleaders have been throwing at the iPad, we all know those devices deserve it more.

RE: Android Tablets
By drycrust3 on 4/6/2010 12:15:43 PM , Rating: 1
Well, competition as a motivator will ensure that pretty well most PC manufacturers will at least look at something like a tablet.
I found it interesting that Ballmer presented this, not someone from HP. I think that was a huge marketing blunder because I don't think your normal PC operating system (be it Windows 7 or Ubuntu 9.10 or whatever) is going to make the grade to compete.

In addition, if Microsoft had a hand in designing the Slate, then it wouldn't surprise me if it wouldn't run an "out of the box" Linux distribution, which is a shame, because I enjoy using Ubuntu and would expect somewhere down the line some people will want to convert this to a Linux distribution.

RE: Android Tablets
By MadMan007 on 4/6/2010 5:12:20 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe MS is trying to tie in Phone 7 and the Slate launches somehow. HP clearly showed their own touchscreen-centric applications in the short video, if MS can somehow make cross-application between phones and touchscreens work well they might have a decent chance.

This is the problem...
By RabidDog on 4/6/2010 10:47:36 AM , Rating: 1
I'm not an Apple fan by any means (don't own any, don't plan to). The HP Slate seems DOA. Nothing revolutionary, looks clunkier, no support network, just another PC from what I can tell.
I can see another PC v. Mac ad with this thing, " almost does as much as the only need to pay a little more for it..." MS should subsidize this thing and sell it for $400 and hookup with Verizon to get something like the Kindle whisper-net.
In short, what's the point. And the big question is still, do people want finger prints all over the screen?

RE: This is the problem...
By bupkus on 4/6/2010 11:19:59 AM , Rating: 1
I can see another PC v. Mac ad with this thing

The way Apple was able to shut Microsoft up was that PC is synonymous with Windows without actually saying Microsoft Windows in their ads.
How can Apple apply that same approach with the Slate or any other name used by Microsoft's hardware manufacturers?

Hi, I'm an iPad.
Hi, I'm a uhhh PC.

RE: This is the problem...
By teng029 on 4/6/2010 12:21:06 PM , Rating: 2
that's not true. in more than one ad, apple mentions windows vista shortcomings, as well as other versions of windows.

RE: This is the problem...
By rocky12345 on 4/6/2010 6:06:27 PM , Rating: 1
yea & the ipad is just a large ipod touch with slightly faster hardware. There is nothing in it remotely interesting at least the slat & others to follow all can actually run full fledged software without having to go through the app store to get it. Anything to get away from having to use anything steve jobs thinks is a good thing is a winner. I'll stop at that I really don't want to upset reader1 to much who knows how much icrapple juice he had today he might go icrapple on everyone.

Just say "NO" to HP....
By rdhood on 4/6/2010 1:51:47 PM , Rating: 1
I, frankly, will never purchase anything from HP again. HP has taught me that they will: sell me something with a manufacturing defect that bricks the device in 14 months, admit to the defect, but not do anything whatsoever to fix the problem that they caused.

If they want me to purchase their tablet, they are going to have to fix my bricked laptop first.

RE: Just say "NO" to HP....
By mckinney on 4/6/2010 6:17:49 PM , Rating: 2
I am done with HP also!

I have an HP laser printer that shuts the toner cartridge off at 2000 copies whether it is empty or not.

They probably hired an engineer from Apple that came up with that idea.

Craptablets FTL
By xler8r on 4/6/2010 11:21:52 AM , Rating: 2
Am I the only one who's waiting for one of these OLED rolls of paper-screens?

Right idea poor execution
By sapiens74 on 4/6/2010 1:24:35 PM , Rating: 2
I can get 5 hours from my laptop why would I buy an underpowered net book with touch?

Btw does the slate use IPS panels?

I would think so with that price

The only downside to the slate
By noirsoft on 4/6/2010 1:26:10 PM , Rating: 2
is the 1024 x 600 screen. I have that on my current netbook, and it gets painful to work with at times. I was hoping for a 1366 x 768. Guess I'll wait for gen 2 of the slate, and maybe get the HP 311 in the meantime as an upgrade.

Selling well??
By wiz220 on 4/6/2010 1:48:11 PM , Rating: 2
with the iPad selling so well over its opening weekend

Except that from what I've read on sites NOT in Apple's pocket or sites that bother doing research, most of the sales over the first weekend were from people who had pre-ordered. Not from people actually going to an Apple store on opening weekend, or ordering one online over the weekend. Basically, fanboys account for most of the figure.

It's the software
By ralniv on 4/6/2010 4:17:22 PM , Rating: 2
The key difference between the Slate and iPad is software. The iPad is built around a refined and mature OS and iTunes infrastructure. The two were designed together and are seamlessly integrated. It also has a huge library of applications that were developed specifically for touch pad devices (and more than 1000 apps already developed specifically for the iPad).

The extensibility of Windows 7 platforms may enable them to step up to the challenge, but there is no guarantee that will happen. If wagering on this, I would bet that Apple will own a commanding share of the tablet market.

The current Achilles heels for Apple are the lack of multi-tasking and Flash support. Both will be addressed in the near term. Multi-tasking via iPhone OS 4 (announcement on Apr 8) and internet video via HTML5. I'm a bit humored by Apple's push for open standards (e.g. HTML5, CSS3 and JavaScript) and their steadfast lockdown vis-à-vis iTunes.

If it ran android...
By Darkskypoet on 4/10/2010 4:01:53 PM , Rating: 2
Here's the thing... and it makes a lot of us anti-fanboy...

If it were:

Made by / sold by google or ASUS or (heck even microsoft)
Ran Android
had a usb port instead of the mac port

We'd love it.

The device and form factor while essentially just a bigger iphone is fine. But that's just it, if it were just a bigger (insert favorite android device here) we'd be commenting on the hardware and throwing up our own suggestions about what it should have, etc as we always do.

But it doesn't.

If it ran OS X even, and you could install windows 7 or an xp variant you like onto it.. It wouldn't just be a mac console.

I like the form factor, the idea, and it's something that I've wanted to come out for YEARS. Before there was a kindle, I wanted a something "PADD like" that was as open as the PC world I live in every day. Not constrained like the iphone world.

the iPad though will be as constrained... and I want a device where I won't HAVE to run homebrew instead of just having a good, more open OS that isn't fighting you all the time to control and reduce access through design or omission.

Honestly, my PC will "Hold all my media", and this is an accessory to it.. But for most of us, the HP would be too. A very capable accessory, but one that would coexist with our PC. It's going to be a couple generations before you're going to want anything in this form factor completely replacing your other system, if at all.

So there it is, if it runs something else and isn't that iParadigm, then I'd probably love it for what it is, and just how long I've wanted that...

But although I salute apple for knocking it out first, I don't like that sort of operating paradigm in any of my computing devices.

"Like seriously, I could play divx on my palm treo 650 like 4 years ago... Apple, why can't my iphone do it natively?"

HP Slate: the iPad's next victim.
By reader1 on 4/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: HP Slate: the iPad's next victim.
By gibb3h on 4/6/2010 11:08:43 AM , Rating: 2
reader1 always makes me laugh

the 'No app store' line made me fall off my chair

By DeathBooger on 4/6/2010 11:16:09 AM , Rating: 2
He has a point to some degree. It's not like you can just install any software you like on the Slate even if it runs Windows 7. The limited storage is one problem and then there is the need for a custom UI for the software to make it even usable unless you plan on using a stylus exclusively to try and select the microscopic icons. I fear this is Windows Mobile all over again.

By MrBlastman on 4/6/2010 11:44:27 AM , Rating: 2
The only point worth repeating that he mentioned is the "cheap TN panel."

For a slate computer, you really should have a better screen than TN, given the odd angles you might use it at. But, that is it, the ipad is total junk otherwise.

By frobizzle on 4/8/2010 10:16:08 AM , Rating: 2
reader1 always makes me laugh

Agreed! I especially liked:
So far the iPad has killed:
Joo Joo

I think reader1 and pirks need to go on tour with their comedy act! They'd have the audiences literally ROFL!

By Chapbass on 4/6/2010 11:14:00 AM , Rating: 2
I love this term: "Killed"

So if I buy an HP slate, which is deemed "killed"...then it really isn't it?

Hell, if it runs windows 7, I don't give half a shit what all the other sheep in the world buy, I know I have the device that I want. Fine by me.

By bupkus on 4/6/2010 11:28:14 AM , Rating: 2
Lol, I started reading your post without seeing who it was who posted. As soon as I read "The HP Slate is next:" I said to myself, this has got to be reader1. Still laughing.

By Lonyo on 4/6/2010 11:51:55 AM , Rating: 5
Um, where do people get this idea of slow booting?


Jesus Christ. I can press a button on my laptop and it's basically as off as an iPad. I press the button again and within moments (not seconds, moments, as in less than seconds), it's back up and running as it was.
Yay hybrid-sleep.

Yes it's a Reader1 troll post, but everyone seems to have this idea that instant-on is a magical iPad feature. It's not.
No idea if it happens in Linux, or maybe even Apple laptops, but I know for a fact that I can instant-on my Windows Vista/7 laptop.

By ieskorp on 4/6/2010 12:19:49 PM , Rating: 2
With sales forecast at 1 million on the first day and real sales (see WSJ) of 300.000 (incl pre launch orders). I would not say the Ipad has killed anything yet Trol.

By Alexstarfire on 4/6/2010 1:33:24 PM , Rating: 1
I would agree that the Slate probably isn't going to beat the iPad, but that doesn't make the iPad good. The reduced battery life just to put in a slightly faster processor and GPU seems like a poor trade off. I wouldn't use a tablet to play 1080p videos anyway. A tablet won't really have the storage capacity for much video at 1080p resolution. It'd be much better to use a laptop to playback 1080p videos. Which I'm assuming you'd output to an external display.

Slow booting? Probably not. Perhaps the very first boot, but nothing after that.

No app store? That's rather a moot point since it'll be able to run every Windows 7 app on the face of the planet. That's multiple times more than the app store could dream of. Now, would you want to run all of them on a tablet? Probably not, but that's not stopping anyone from doing it.

Viruses/malware.... not really, but I suppose it's rather counter-productive to run anti-virus/anti-malware programs on a tablet.

OS not designed for tablet processor? IDK really know what to say to that as that's about the stupidest thing you've ever said. The OS isn't really designed around tablet INPUT, but it seems obvious that the OS is designed for the processor..... else it wouldn't even run. Perhaps you just have some bad wording, idk.

Anyway, in short I agree with him that the Slate is pretty shitty. There are other tablets out already that would seem better than that. Can't say for sure since I haven't even used a tablet, but they have better specs.

The Android tablets are what I'm looking forward to. The Gemini seems like a very nice tablet that should essentially nullify his list of "cons" though from what I've read I couldn't say anything about the actual display or the battery life. Battery life should be pretty decent as it's got a slightly bigger battery, but I'd rather not make speculations since it's obviously got more powerful hardware to run.

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By bupkus on 4/6/2010 11:24:34 AM , Rating: 1
Maybe another ad with Seinfeld :p

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By lightfoot on 4/6/2010 11:27:29 AM , Rating: 5
No, they have bad advertising because they (unlike Apple) are forced to tell the truth in their ads. If all they had to do is say that their product was "incredible" and "magical" they too could have good marketing.

Apple's slogan "It just works" is based on an implicit lie.

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By amanojaku on 4/6/2010 12:30:36 PM , Rating: 2
Funny. My Macolyte friend has gone through four Macs in five years, two G4 PowerBooks and two MacBook Pros. This guy is not sloppy; he takes better care of his laptops than Kim Kardashian does her rockin' body. Hardware failures and software gliches have forced him to replace all of his systems and reinstall every 3-6 months.

My six year old PC, which I built, has been rock solid. FOR SIX YEARS. And I haven't reinstalled the OS once. My Lenovo notebook ran for THREE YEARS without a reinstall or hardware change; unfortunately, the motherboard has shorted, but that's expected for notebooks after two years. My Dell notebook that feels flimsy compared to a MacBook has been running for TWO YEARS without a hitch. I traveled the world with both of my notebooks, dropped the Dell and the Lenovo, and basically abused them, while my friend mostly stayed stationary. So much for Apple superiority.

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By StevoLincolnite on 4/6/2010 3:07:54 PM , Rating: 3
My six year old PC, which I built, has been rock solid. FOR SIX YEARS.

I have an ancient AMD k6-2 300 machine which I have had for over a decade, I used to lay it on it's side without a side cover, untill one day I walked past and spilt coffee in it.
Years later it's still going, and is my Win 9X/DOS/Glide box for playing those old classic games that just don't like running in Virtual Machines or XP/Vista/Windows 7.

However... What most "Mac fans" fail to realize is that... THE MACINTOSH IS A GOD DAMN PC!

PC = Personal Computer. (That's exactly what the Mac is.)
Operating System = *nix variant.
CPU = x86 based. (Like Intel)
Graphics = Intel/nVidia/ATI.
Memory = Basically the same stuff found in a desktop.
HDD = Nothing special.
Motherboard = Probably just a standard OEM rehash, with the usual chipsets.

How can they consider the Mac to be superior than a PC when it is a flippin' PC?

Only REAL difference is the price tag because of the logo, and relatively old or slow hardware.

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By amanojaku on 4/6/2010 10:29:35 PM , Rating: 2
I disagree; the Mac is not a PC. Apple products are VERY impersonal, no matter how many i's you stick on them.

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By StevoLincolnite on 4/7/2010 12:51:13 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree; the Mac is not a PC. Apple products are VERY impersonal, no matter how many i's you stick on them.

Stop kidding yourself, it is a PC, it uses a variant of a PC operating system, uses PC hardware, works in a similar fashion as a PC, it -is- a bloody PC.

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By piroroadkill on 4/7/2010 4:20:07 AM , Rating: 2
He was being sarcastic and anti-apple, I guess you didn't even read his reply

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By Alexstarfire on 4/6/2010 1:08:55 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't heard of any problems with Android. Care to enlighten us? Or are you just spouting random things again?

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By seamonkey79 on 4/6/2010 1:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
Love my Eris, just seems to do everything I tell it to do without question.

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By MrBlastman on 4/6/2010 11:40:38 AM , Rating: 5
Apple's slogan "It just works" is based on an implicit lie.

... and that is the truth.

My wife's macbook is a PITA to use compared with my PC. It also crashes as much, if not more.

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By ClownPuncher on 4/6/2010 4:29:54 PM , Rating: 3
I was backpacking one spring up off of hwy. 20 in Washington State in the North Cascades, about 15 miles away from any roads I stumbled upon what appeared to be a hippy commune.

At first, I was hesitant to bother these people, living in lean-to's and makeshift log cabins. I decided to make peace and see if they would let me refill my water with their rainbarrels. Overall, the people were nice, but definitely wary of a stranger coming out of the woods.

A couple minutes of chit-chat led to me being invited to dinner, they had caught some fresh rainbow trout and Dolly Vardens which looked very healthy. I stayed for about an hour, made conversation and had some great fire-grilled trout.

During that time, conversation had gone from talking about great camping sites and places to fish, to politics and religion. I then realized these were not the hippies I had thought they were, but a group of some cult. During our conersation, I got this eerie feeling that we were just not communicating on the same level. There were many misunderstandings and much confusion on both ends.

After a time, I decided to leave and set up camp a few miles over a nearby ridge. We bid our farewells, forced our smiles and parted ways.

I get that very same eerie feeling whenever I read any of reader1 or Pirk's posts. Even when presented cold hard facts, some people will always believe what they feel they need to.

"Let's face it, we're not changing the world. We're building a product that helps people buy more crap - and watch porn." -- Seagate CEO Bill Watkins
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