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Opponents to the legislation say this puts church back into schools

On May 21, 2008, Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southern Louisiana University, testified in the Louisiana state legislature on the dangers hidden in the State’s Science Education Act.

According to Forrest, the Act allows teachers and school boards across the state to teach non-scientific alternatives to evolution including ideas related to Intelligent Design (ID). Forrest says the bill is a backhanded way to get creationism back into schools.

She states the wording of the Act names evolution along with global warming, the origins of human life and human cloning as worthy of “open and objective discussion” -- suggesting that evolution is scientifically controversial topic.

A U.S. Supreme Court case in 1987 barred creationism from being taught in U.S. public schools. The justices ruled state aid to religious teachings violated the Establishment Clause of First Amendment. Since then, the Seattle-based Discovery Institute has successfully lobbied that intelligent design is not only scientifically sound, but also that it differs from creationism barred from schools.

Despite Forrest’s testimony, the bill passed easily in Louisiana with a majority House vote of 94 to 3, followed unanimously in the State Senate. Louisiana's conservative Christian governor Piyush Jindal signed the bill, making it law on June 28.

Supporters of evolution say that the new legislation is nothing more than a new maneuver in the war to challenge the validity of Darwinian evolution. Forrest was also a figure in a 2005 trial in Dover, where she presented leaked Discovery Institute documents that demonstrated intelligent design school books were in fact creationist schoolbooks with the names replaced. 

Immediately following Forrest's comments to New Scientist, the Discovery Institute wrote a blog on its Evolution News website, claiming Forrest and the publication needed "a reality check."

"Intelligent design is currently not in the Louisiana state science standards and so could not be taught. But this allows scientific criticisms of Darwin's theory to be taught," said Discovery Institute fellow John West in a recent Reuters interview.



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So very sad...
By Sandok on 7/11/2008 8:03:54 AM , Rating: 4
Why do Church goers try and do this? This is just the ultimate form of stupidity in my eyes...

If evolution is not "taught" in Church, why should "creationism" be taught in PUBLIC SECULAR schools?

Oh well, then again, if Louisiana wants to make its future generation of students a bit more naive and clueless than the other States, so be it!




RE: So very sad...
By Proteusza on 7/11/2008 8:07:08 AM , Rating: 4
Yeah.

Besides, everyone knows that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is to blame, that and the beer it drank the night before creation.


RE: So very sad...
By Ticholo on 7/12/2008 3:03:32 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, hey, hey!!! Don't go around using the C-word! It's Intelligent Design. It's scientific-y!


RE: So very sad...
RE: So very sad...
By Ryanman on 7/13/2008 3:05:19 AM , Rating: 4
what's really funny about this is how the textbook publisher lobbied both houses for the passing of this law. They're going to make a killing off selling these books to a state who can't afford to keep its children educated already.

Congratz conservatives. Your righteous "brainwashing from birth" tactic succeeded in yet another compulsory public institution. I hope you're proud.


RE: So very sad...
By Pavelyoung on 7/13/2008 3:22:12 AM , Rating: 1
Excuse me, don't lump all of us in with the religious zealots.


RE: So very sad...
By bodar on 7/13/2008 3:43:32 AM , Rating: 3
RE: So very sad...
By phxfreddy on 7/13/08, Rating: -1
RE: So very sad...
By CSP on 7/13/2008 2:14:16 PM , Rating: 3
Huh? "libgays?" LOL! You make so little sense, I am wondering if you went to school in Louisiana!
Amazing acrobatic attempt to turn this around and blame the gays (did gays cause Katrina, and the broken levis...or was that poor education that rendered a lack of engineers). Ya know I think the cubs lost the playoffs last year because pf the gays too--hahahaha! Dumb*ss conservanazi. See, we can call names like a five year old, too...face it, this is another religious right conservative disaster. Or maybe you can blame it one terrorists..? Hahaha


RE: So very sad...
By phxfreddy on 7/17/2008 3:28:44 PM , Rating: 2
When I use the term GAY I use it in the sense of stupid or duface. Liberals ( not libertarians ) basically believe in coercive government of all types.

If government were opt in like web 2.0 websites then I would say knock yourself out...just leave me out ! ... and you can pay for what you want...and again I am not forced to help pay for your libgay programs


RE: So very sad...
By CSP on 7/13/2008 2:19:27 PM , Rating: 5
Oh, and by the way, the majority of LA students who were displaced from Katrina to Texas had to commence their education a full two grades behind in order to catch up to their Texas counterparts--schools in LA already being that poor--but maybe you can figure out how to blame that on the gays too? Or the libs?


RE: So very sad...
By phxfreddy on 7/17/2008 3:30:49 PM , Rating: 2
I suppose you guys think the following also

cool = cold
phat = fat

... get a clue lib.(liberal == dumb by definition ...THAT you can take literally )


RE: So very sad...
By Laughing all the way 2220 on 7/14/2008 8:19:36 PM , Rating: 1
You know if you think about it- the religious crowd is paying the same amount of taxes to keep those public schools open, keep those sports programs going, uniforms and equipment, teachers salaries etc., etc., etc. You'd think they could have an equal say in what their children get taught. For you non-educated, highly opinionated that think you know what goes on in public schools wake up. It's not what you think. Your average 10th grader 10 years ago would test higher than your high school graduate today. And the decline goes on....

Maybe you haven't heard the commercial played on national radio- "When America fails to place first in the Olympics we feel angry. When we fail to place second we feel cheated. When we fail to place third we feel disgusted. When we place 19th overall in international math tests, nobody says a word."

And yes there are 36 other countries that have better educational systems than our own. That's today folks.

Up until the 1800's, when America was a predominantly Christian nation, people would flock from all over the world to attend Harvard (a Christian College founded 1636), Yale (a Christian College founded 1701) and Princeton (a Christian College founded 1746) we were #1.

That all changed in 1867 with the creation of the Department of Education and the heavy influence of Melville Dewey (stop pretending you know who he is because only the really educated would know. For those of you who should have payed attention in class he is the founder of the dewey decimal system)(heck for those of you who were in public school you might not even know what that is- tsk, tsk).

Almost immediately they began the public school system in which there was no place for God. They cried out "Separation of Church and State!" The First Amendment, designed to protect us from a national religion (mandating eveyone had to be of one religion), was being used to separate God and the people in education (they said just teaching about God was in fact mandating everyone to religion), something which the Founding Fathers never intended.

From that day until now we have steadily declined so that we aren't even in the top 30. What a shame.

You say what's wrong with the public schools? Huh, what's right with it? I know people who graduated High School here in America and they can't even spell "house" ???
Come on people- wake up!

Below is the facts and addresses:

http://www.timss.org/

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/317/...
News Focus
EDUCATION RESEARCH:
U.S. Says No to Next Global Test of Advanced Math, Science Students
Jeffrey Mervis

After U.S. high school students did poorly on the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study in 1995, the government has decided not to participate in another version to be given next year.

We did so poorly we're not even going to participate in testing with the rest of the world anymore! What an outrage!!! And if you look at the data, we were in the middle of world scores for the 4th thru 8th grades. Now we are 19th, behind friggin' Lithuania, FRIGGIN' Lithuania!!!


RE: So very sad...
By rykerabel on 7/15/2008 3:04:30 PM , Rating: 2
So the answer is to teach Religion as science?

Oh yeah, that'll help... NOT.

I live in Louisiana, and the first time someone tries to teach my son's their religion, they will face a lawsuit. We'll see how well this "law" holds up to the U.S. Constitution.


RE: So very sad...
By Alexstarfire on 7/11/2008 8:09:16 AM , Rating: 3
The overwhelming passing of the law would suggest that that's already taken place.


RE: So very sad...
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/12/2008 2:45:51 PM , Rating: 3
It won't hold up in appeal. They tried this shit a few years ago and it was struck down in higher courts. This will be no different.


RE: So very sad...
By mdogs444 on 7/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: So very sad...
By rninneman on 7/12/2008 3:38:16 PM ,