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Centrino to be for WiMAX and Wi-Fi devices only going forward

Intel’s brand structure is almost as confusing as theoretical physics to many consumers and corporate IT buyers. The problem is that the Intel product line of today has products spanning many categories and many of the product names are used in more than one type of product, like the Centrino line showing up in MIDs and notebook computers.

Intel has announced that it is beginning the process of simplifying its brand structure to make it easier for consumers to understand. The key to the revamped line is that it will be focusing on a good-better-best system for its desktop processors. Intel reports that over time it will consolidate its computing platforms under the Core designation for its mainstream parts with the category having Core i7, Core i5, and Core i3 products representing the high, mid, and low-range offerings.

Core i7 and Core i5 parts will also feature Intel's vPro technology. The entry-level computing platforms will use Intel Celeron and basic computing machines will use Pentium branding. Even that is still confusing since it's hard to tell which of the Celeron or Pentium classes are more powerful.

The Centrino platform will be phased out of the notebook market and will instead be used as the name for the Intel Wi-Fi and WiMAX products coming to market in early 2010. Intel says that multiple products will be on the market over the next year as the transition begins, which will undoubtedly muddy the waters before things begin to clear.

Intel's Bill Calder wrote in a blog posting, "Over the last year or so, Intel has been quietly working behind the scenes taking a hard look at our brand structure and exploring ways to make it more rational and easier to understand. The fact of the matter is, we have a complex structure with too many platform brands, product names, and product brands, and we've made things confusing for consumers and IT buyers in the process."

Intel recently lost a little of its market share to rival AMD mostly due to slowing server sales.



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Confusing
By GaryJohnson on 6/18/2009 10:56:15 AM , Rating: 5
So Intel's solution to end the confusion is to give their products somewhat random number designations (where is Core i1, i2, i4, & i6?) and to reuse a current brand name (Centrino) for a different new product?

They might as well call their CPU lines Grande, Venti, & Tall.




RE: Confusing
By DASQ on 6/18/2009 10:57:32 AM , Rating: 5
I will have the Mocha Pentium Latte, please.


RE: Confusing
By Jimbo1234 on 6/18/2009 1:30:18 PM , Rating: 2
My wife prefers the Venti nonfat five pump chai. Say that 3 times.


RE: Confusing
By das mod on 6/18/2009 2:44:51 PM , Rating: 2
thug aim

(say that 3 times)


RE: Confusing
By albundy2 on 6/19/2009 2:47:30 AM , Rating: 3
I should have stayed in school.

(just say that)


RE: Confusing
By Stuka on 6/18/2009 12:17:35 PM , Rating: 3
The numbers aren't random, they're just odd. They're following BMW where the 3, 5, and 7-series basically denote how fancy the car is. Similarly they are likely holding the even numbers and possibly the 1 on the back burner for later fractionalizing the lineup if the simplicity thing doesn't pan out, ie. i6 could eventually be an i7 which is handicapped in some way so as to distinguish it from both the i7 and i5.

The Centrino thing is silly, but I would imagine it to be a result of the vast trademarking, marketing, and public awareness investment already in that brand. Why spend money on making up a new word when you can reuse one? Plus, Centrino specification hinged on the system having wireless capability so, it is vaguely familial.


RE: Confusing
By stromgald30 on 6/18/2009 12:54:04 PM , Rating: 3
Actually, for BMW, the 3, 5, and 7 series represent the size of the car, not the luxury. But, for the most part I agree with you.

The i3, i5, and i7 may seem arbitrary (especially for technical minded people like us), but it is probably necessary to market better to less technically minded people. Clear tiered branding is probably what they're shooting for. So all Core i7s will have upgraded L2 and L3 cache (among other features), but still have in-family variations (i.e. i7-8100, i7-9200, like the BMW 325i and 330i).

The Centrino and Celeron renamings are tricky, but like you said, inevitable due to the brand recognition. It's at least worth a shot to them especially if they're phasing to this new i# naming. If it doesn't work out well, then they can look at creating a new brand.


RE: Confusing
By omnicronx on 6/18/2009 5:04:57 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Actually, for BMW, the 3, 5, and 7 series represent the size of the car, not the luxury. But, for the most part I agree with you.
What about the 6 series, its smaller than a 5 series. Sorry, had to do it =D


RE: Confusing
By stromgald30 on 6/18/2009 8:52:05 PM , Rating: 2
Well, the 6 series is based off the 5 series. It's basically a coupe version of the 5 series except for probably the M6. Their size/weight are almost identical IIRC.

Even numbered BWMs are always . . . unique.


RE: Confusing
By strikeback03 on 6/19/2009 8:50:57 AM , Rating: 2
BMW had planned on moving to a system where the even numbers would be the coupe version of the sedan one number before; so 6-series were coupes based on 5-series sedans, 4-series would be coupes based on 3-series sedans, etc. It only seems to have been applied to the M6 and the Z4 though, someone must have balked at losing the name M3.


RE: Confusing
By CubicleDilbert on 6/23/2009 10:25:50 AM , Rating: 2
Absolutely,
but the i3 to i7 are meant for mainstream business computers.

For leisure and outdoor computing you have to buy the iX3 to iX7 versions. More ruggedized and higher performance processors.


Definition
By nafhan on 6/18/2009 11:31:31 AM , Rating: 5
simplify:
To make simpler, either by reducing in complexity , reducing to component parts, or making easier to understand

I'd say the new naming scheme does none of these things.




RE: Definition
By geokilla on 6/18/2009 12:03:43 PM , Rating: 2
+1

I just got more confused with their new naming scheme. Just when consumers got used to the way they name their products, they do something as stupid as to "simplifying the brand".


RE: Definition
By cutmeister on 6/18/2009 2:25:50 PM , Rating: 2
I tend to agree. Throwing in numbers as part of the base brand descriptor will IMHO create confusion. I guess as long as they keep the processor number series unique and reflective of processing power then that will help, eg. If there is Core i5 960 along with Core i7 920 that might cause some confusion.

I would have preferred they gone with some thing like Core Bronze, Core Silver, Core Gold or something along those lines.


RE: Definition
By Silver2k7 on 6/18/2009 5:38:59 PM , Rating: 2
nah that doesnt sound very good either.

what about ruby, emerald, sapphire, diamond.. nah would add even more confusion, thought the names are not so bad :P

numbers are probably easier to recognise, all you need to know if is a higher number is better or worse ^^


RE: Definition
By Hapikern on 6/18/2009 6:48:06 PM , Rating: 2
The word "simplify" does not apply to intel with this new lineup. First they think that and "i" would be as succesful as apple marketing... FAIL... then ok it is called i7, some thought that the 7 meant the 7th architecture frome intel... and now they just have the i5 and i3, which are meaningless. Of course they respond to a hierarchy but again the numbers in each model doesnt say to the costumer if its quad core, dual core, etc. (like core 2 quad Q6600 for example).

Now to ice the cake sum this complexity to their 2 desktop sockets, the LGA1366 with core i7, and the LGA1156 with i7, i5, i3.. it doesnt make sense to have 2 sockets in which 1 (LGA1156) supports an i7 which is meant for high performance/server in the LGA1366 socket.

Intel must be really smart for making good processors but really stupid at naming them.


RE: Definition
By eldakka on 6/22/2009 2:38:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
First they think that and "i" would be as succesful as apple marketing


Yah, they also named the i386 and i486 in imitation of Apple marketing. Which means intel must be prescient as they predate Apple's use of "i" by a good 10(?) years.

Or just maybe, and here I am probably going out on a limb, the 'i' stands for Intel, as it did with the i386 and i486?

I do agree with the rest of the sentiment of your post tho as regards Intels ability at naming systems.


RE: Definition
By crystal clear on 6/19/2009 8:03:56 AM , Rating: 2
Definition-

market segmentation

Process of defining and sub-dividing a large homogenous market into clearly identifiable segments having similar needs, wants, or demand characteristics. Its objective is to design a marketing mix that precisely matches the expectations of customers in the targeted segment. Few firms are big enough to supply the needs of an entire market, most must breakdown the total demand into segments and choose the one or few the firm is best equipped to handle. Four basic factors that affect market segmentation are (1) clear identification of the segment, (2) measurability of its effective size, (3) its accessibility through promotional efforts, and (4) its appropriateness to the policies and resources of the firm. The four basic market segmentation-strategies are based on (a) behavioral (b) demographic, (c) psychographic, and (d) geographical differences.

Thats what Intel plans to do with these new naming schemes.


Simple was...
By Bender 123 on 6/18/2009 10:37:36 AM , Rating: 5
Simple naming was when it was:

Pentium-Best
Celeron-Cheap
Xeon-Server

Then just toss an "M" on the end to indicate mobile platform.
Back in my day, we were just happy when our ISA cards didnt cause an IRQ error and memory was EDO. We also walked uphill to the "Computer parts shop" both ways, because the seismic activity of the earth formingconstantly shifted the landscape. We didn't need fancy sounding names on our CPUs...(grumble, grumble...)




RE: Simple was...
By HostileEffect on 6/18/2009 10:49:23 AM , Rating: 1
Voodoo.


RE: Simple was...
By catavalon21 on 6/18/2009 8:12:46 PM , Rating: 2
Bender123,

You are the man. You probably can do hex arithmetic with a pen, too.

They should retire your number (or at least the thread) after that post. I probably won't get any sleep tonight remembering past sleepless nights fighting IRQ conflicts with modems, etc.

*sigh*


RE: Simple was...
By inperfectdarkness on 6/19/2009 12:09:01 AM , Rating: 3
i propose:

"celeron=basic, pentium=mainstream"
+
"duo, quad, tri, hex, oct"
+
"type designator; M-obile, D-esktop, low V-oltage, E-xtreme performance, etc"
+
"speed gradient--numbered in hundreds with the last 2 digits indicating variations within (cache, etc)"

get rid of the "core", get rid of the "i7", get rid of everything else.

example:

pentium quad m6700

or if we double the l2 cache

pentium quad m6750


RE: Simple was...
By crystal clear on 6/19/2009 4:34:09 AM , Rating: 2
Apple famous for its marketing & product brandings chose the simpler names & easier to remember/indentify their products like tiger,leopard,snow leopard,...(wonder what next after this).

They used the alphabets in a smart/intelligent fashion to brand their products like- i phone, i pods,O.S X etc.

They sound great & easy to quote & remember.

Now in Intel's case the branding should be as -

Computer scientists like to call an abstraction:

"a simplification of something much more complicated that is going on under the covers".

You have the higher/lower clockspeed,Ghz,Mhz, cores 2,4 & more cores to come,performance per watt,etc etc.

So the market is no longer simple, which means that Intel's product mix and brand strategy are no longer simple,like you quote.


RE: Simple was...
By inperfectdarkness on 6/19/2009 8:09:13 AM , Rating: 2
you mean products like the I -rack?


Common Practice
By brybir on 6/18/2009 12:20:41 PM , Rating: 2
Seems like this is the norm these days.

Even during this transition you go on Newegg and see brands with:

Intel: i7,i5,i3, Core2Duo, Core2Quad, Celeron, Celeron D, Pentium etc etc

AMD: Phenom, Phenon II X2, Phenom II X3, Phenom II X4, Athlon X2 XXXX+, Athlon II X2, Sempron etc

Nvidia: 8000 series, 9000 series, GT200 series (and the 26 sub parts within each category that may or may not be the same as the older part, and then you throw in all the GT, GTO, GTS etc)

ATI: Was off to a good start but it turned into 4870 X2,
4890, 4870, 4850, 4830, 4800, 4770, 46XX, 4550, 4300. Except that sometimes the 4770 is faster than a 4830 and then slapping on all the GT and GTO.

Its too bad ATI for example cant just say "okay the cores are structured for speed, so if you follow the reference 4770 design with DDR3, its a 4770, and if you want to add say GDDR5 to it, it becomes a 4780. OR, "here is a group of benchmarks we tested. You run your boards against these benches. If your board is within 10% of these average numbers its a 4770 regardless of what stuff it has, if its more than 10% faster you can call it a 4780"

Maybe thats more complicated but taking leadership to its board partners to create a unified product marketing and name pattern seems to benefit everyone involved.




RE: Common Practice
By Chadder007 on 6/18/2009 12:50:51 PM , Rating: 1
Sounds almost like something from GM's playbook of rebranding crap.


RE: Common Practice
By brybir on 6/18/2009 1:21:32 PM , Rating: 2
I personally think its a conspiracy by sites like Anandtech and past "glory days Toms" to make is very confusing so that you have to troll their sites just to figure out what product does what you want relative to the other products.

I just know that they *COULD* make it simple for the consumer if they wanted to. They choose not to. I dont know why. Perhaps one day AT would interview their "contacts" within ATI or Intel and get some rationale explanation for all of it. Maybe their is a really good one and I just dont know the inner working of process fabrication and technology progression to understand their marketing strategy.


RE: Common Practice
By Belard on 6/18/2009 5:26:31 PM , Rating: 2
ATI GPU names are mostly sensible... at least its not re-branding.

The X2 simply dictates its a dual-GPU version of the 48x0 card... thats pretty simple. There are no GT / GTO versions of ATI cards, those are Nvidias.

The 4770 is an odd ball in that its mostly always faster than the 4830. But IT is not a 46x0 card, and not the same GPU as a 48x0 card. The "70" raises its status and in someways its almost as fast as the 4850/512mb. Not bad.

The model ## of ATI have been fairly straight forward since the 2000 series. 2400 / 2600 /2900.

4770 uses GDDR5.

The i3/i5 is a bit of a mess. If you buy an i7-8, you sure won't be upgrading to an i7-9 series, ever. This is intel's worst market gaming with their sockets ever.

Considering the cost of things, why bother with the Celeron name? Seems that socket775 will remain Pentium/Celeron (The current "pentiums" are bottom end low-cache Core2 designs - Netburst is dead). Intel is going to support 3 different sockets for their consumer line... ouch! While most people with name-brand computers don't upgrade much, the PC makers will need to have different boards.

AMD only has 2 socket types. 2+ and 3. AMD AM3 CPUs will fit Socket 2+ * 3 boards. AMD AM2 & 2+ CPUs fit motherboards with socket 2 or 2+. (AM2 mobos are no longer made). Of course AMD doesn't have intel's deep pockets to support so many sockets.


Star ratings
By crystal clear on 6/19/2009 3:23:05 AM , Rating: 2
This article is incomplete without the following below-

Processor Rating
Each processor is assigned between one and five stars depending on a combination of features, including cores, GHz, cache, and other technologies. More stars indicate greater features and increased capabilities compared to other Intel® processors


http://www.intel.com/consumer/rating.htm

Click on the above link for details about star ratings.

The high ends 5 stars-

Ultimate intelligence and breakthrough technologies maximize your computing speed and possibilities

4 stars-

Advanced intelligence, premium technologies and speed help you do more.


3 stars-

Smart, fast, energy-efficient technology.


2 stars-

Dependable and proven.


1 star-

Value and reliability.


Intel hopes to make product identification/selections more simpler & crystal clear ,but this gradings dont achieve that.

Read on this link below-

http://www.intel.com/consumer/rating.htm#proc-name




RE: Star ratings
By crystal clear on 6/19/2009 3:38:35 AM , Rating: 3
Source of confusion-

Intel® Core™ i3 processor, Intel® Core™ i5 processor, and Intel® Core™ i7 processors. Core i3 and Core i5 are new modifiers and join the previously announced Intel Core i7 to round out the family structure.

It is important to note that these are not brands but modifiers to the Intel Core brand that signal different features and benefits.

For example, upcoming processors such as Lynnfield (desktop) will carry the Intel Core brand, but will be available as either Intel Core i5 or Intel Core i7 depending upon the feature set and capability. Clarksfield (mobile) will have the Intel Core i7 name.

http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2009/06/over_the...

Also-

http://www.intel.com/consumer/brand.htm


Heh
By Elementalism on 6/18/2009 1:52:40 PM , Rating: 3
Clearly with the addition of an LGA 1156 i7 they are simplifying their product line.




By deltadeltadelta on 6/18/2009 4:24:13 PM , Rating: 2
Is the server line being changed too?




Intel Brands
By angel78 on 6/19/2009 7:55:40 AM , Rating: 2
nah, this simplification leads to yet another confusion... really INTEL indeed!




By CubicleDilbert on 6/23/2009 10:29:23 AM , Rating: 2
Do I need an Intel i7 for Windows 7, or can I buy a PC with a cheaper processor, like an i3?

I remember that Windows XP required the Athlon XP, but a friend told me, that was not the case.

Now what?




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