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Windows Vista Premium ready for G965

DailyTech recently come across a recent Intel roadmap that reveals details on the next generation integrated graphics core through 2007 until the launch of Bearlake. The graphics core will be integrated in the upcoming G965 chipset that is part of the 96x family. The roadmap shows the graphics core will be Microsoft Windows Vista Premium compatible with support for Aero Glass.

According to Microsoft’s Vista requirements, a DirectX 9 class graphics processor with support for hardware pixel shader 2.0 and 32 bits per pixel is required for Vista Premium for Aero Glass windows. Intel's G965 is currently slated to launch in August 2006, approximately a month after the launch of the other 965 chipsets.  This delay has in part been attributed to Microsoft's unfirm specifications at the time G965 was being spun. 

Intel's most recent roadmap also claims there will be native support for HDMI as well which means the graphics core will also have some level of HDCP compliance. Additionally, there will be support for what Intel calls "Clear Video Technology" which is Intel’s branding for the video-processing engine. Judging by Intel’s Viiv initiative and support for HDMI we expect the upcoming graphics core to accelerate high definition video formats used by HD-DVD and online video streaming services.

The new graphics core hasn’t received a name yet, though we expect Intel to abandon the Graphics Media Accelerator name as Intel has a knack of only using the same name for two graphics core revisions (Intel Extreme Graphics, Intel Extreme Graphics 2, Graphics Media Accelerator 900, Graphics Media Accelerator 950).

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965 > 975 Chipset
By OmegaPrime on 5/28/2006 7:32:02 PM , Rating: 4
It's kinda a shame that the Gigabyte board I bought a few months ago with the 975 chipset doesn't seem as advanced as a 96x chipset. Like some people, I assumed it'd be able to support Conroe-era CPUs when they came out, but with the recent announcement that it won't happen unless mobo makes released BIOS updates and changed VRM settings, I suppose my P920 will have to do for now...




RE: 965 > 975 Chipset
By nangryo on 5/28/06, Rating: 0
PCI-e
By Googer on 5/28/2006 8:40:04 PM , Rating: 2
In the past Intel did manufacture add on AGP graphics cards but they were nothing serious and were aimed more for the oem and server markets. It would be nice if Intel would step up to the plate to challance ATi and nVIDIA in the discreete 3D market. I think if Intel put forth a serious effort in 3D, they might do really well and could make a nice profit even when someone buys an AMD processor.


RE: PCI-e
By TomZ on 5/28/2006 10:07:09 PM , Rating: 2
I'm just not sure what the point would be, since ATI and nVIDIA are so strong in that market and have such a broad product offering. What could Intel bring to the table to differentiate their product from the others?


RE: PCI-e
By jtesoro on 5/28/2006 10:26:06 PM , Rating: 2
I think there's always room for another player in the market. Could be another revenue stream for Intel. They can offer "more of the same", but cheaper or faster. And even if they offer essentially the same thing as ATI and nVIDIA, I think their marketing department can come up with something that'll impact their bottom line enough.


RE: PCI-e
By stupid on 5/28/2006 11:50:43 PM , Rating: 2
ATI & nVidia are strong, but Intel is still dominate in total number of video chips sold. That because a lot if corporate PC have Intel integrated graphics. ATI and nVidia may rule the performance camp, but Intel rules in total volume.



RE: PCI-e
By redbone75 on 5/29/2006 1:39:19 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I'm just not sure what the point would be, since ATI and nVIDIA are so strong in that market and have such a broad product offering. What could Intel bring to the table to differentiate their product from the others?


I'm sure nVidia came across that same sentiment when they began that little chipset of theirs, nForce, I think it's called? If Intel decided to make a serious effort in the discrete graphics segment I'm sure ATI and nVidia would be a little nervous.


RE: PCI-e
By zsdersw on 5/29/2006 1:04:46 PM , Rating: 2
Waxing sentimental here, for a moment, I remember owning one of the video cards that started it all in recent times for Nvidia... the 16MB Riva TNT. I think I still have it around here somewhere.


Aero Glass already supported by Intel 945GM
By Eug on 5/28/2006 11:18:41 PM , Rating: 3
Windows' Aero Glass is already supported by Intel's GMA 950 in their 945 chipsets.

I have already tried MS's Vista Upgrade Advisor and it has confirmed that Windows Vista Premium is supported on my MacBook (which has a Core Duo 2.0 GHz, Intel 945GM chipset, and GMA 950.

Cheers,

Eug




By IntelUser2000 on 5/29/2006 1:01:39 AM , Rating: 2
Intel's G965 3D features:
Pixel Shader 3.0 in Hardware(4.0 possible, Hardware 2.0 with GMA900, GMA950)
Vertex Shader 3.0 in Hardware(4.0 possible, Software 3.0 with GMA950)
Hardware T&L(GMA950=Software T&L)
Full precision FP operation support(GMA950=particial precision FP)



By IntelUser2000 on 5/29/2006 1:05:04 AM , Rating: 2
Rumors are that it has at least 2.67Gpixel/texel fillrate, by either:
667MHz core, 4 pixel pipeline
333MHz core, 8 pixel pipeline

But it may have 400MHz core, 8 pixel pipeline

DVMT 3.0 allows 256MB to be shared, compared to 128MB today.

There is 3x the transistor count in graphics core compared to GMA950.

Inquirer reports that Intel may go into gaming graphics, so this may be the start.


By shadowzz on 5/29/2006 3:47:48 AM , Rating: 2
this coming from the same guy that trusts the inquirer over anandtech.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29657


By Eug on 5/29/2006 7:37:13 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, G965 is better than GMA 950, but my point is that GMA 950 still supports full Windows Aero Glass. We are led to believe in the article that it does not, which is incorrect.


G965
By Eraldo yume o on 5/28/06, Rating: 0
RE: G965
By ksherman on 5/28/2006 10:36:42 PM , Rating: 2
I dont understand... what are you trying to say?


RE: G965
By peternelson on 5/29/2006 2:40:54 AM , Rating: 2
He's saying that even if the hardware could support HDCP, it also needs unique keys factory programmed into EACH single device. The cost to license those keys let alone programming them is about a dollar. To save costs hardly anyone is doing this on expensive discrete graphics cards let alone "cheap" embedded chipsets.

"Intel's most recent roadmap also claims there will be native support for HDMI as well which means the graphics core will also have some level of HDCP compliance."

FULL support for HDMI does NOT imply it has HDCP. People read too much in.

IF it doesn't have HDCP, I think the movie studios are backing down on their downrezzing limitations for the next 4 years anyway so HDCP may turn out less important than once it appeared.



RE: G965
By InternetGeek on 5/29/2006 12:11:19 PM , Rating: 2
If i understand correctly INtel owns the patent for HDCP so support for that is free for intel.


RE: G965
By ksherman on 5/30/2006 3:05:47 AM , Rating: 2
lol, my question was in regards to a post that is gone/hidden ;-)


FAB
By smilingcrow on 5/29/2006 7:57:12 AM , Rating: 2
Intel has one advantage over ATI & nVidia in that it brings newer fabrication processes on-line quicker than just about anybody and in massive volumes. If for example Intel could fabricate GPUs on 65nm whilst the competitors are still on 90nm, that gives it a big advantage in the areas of cost, power consumption & clock speeds. But, they’d still need a good design, as AMD have proved in recent years; the quality of your fabs is not the most important part of the mix.




RE: FAB
By chrnochime on 5/29/2006 2:17:12 PM , Rating: 2
I'd assume this new G965 still might not be powerful enough to run 720p h/x264 videos, let alone 720p wmv HD? I wonder when will we ever be able to buy mb with integrated graphics that can do at least 720p h/x264...


RE: FAB
By smilingcrow on 5/29/2006 2:50:57 PM , Rating: 2
You don’t need hardware H.264 acceleration support if you have pretty much any of the dual-core CPUs on the market. You only need that if you have a low to mid range single-core CPU. nVidia’s 6150 chipset for AMD supports H.264 acceleration; I’m not sure if their next generation chipset for Intel will offer the same!


Some?
By Googer on 5/28/2006 8:35:19 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
he graphics core will also have some HDCP compliance


They will have some complience? How much is "some"? Either it has HDCP or it doesn't.




RE: Some?
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 5/28/2006 8:43:23 PM , Rating: 2
The chipset will have the HDCP module but its not clear whether or not the keys will reside in the chipset (I doubt they would).


Please Review for Blatant Typos
By Kensei on 5/30/2006 10:52:01 AM , Rating: 3
I love the relatively new DailyTech service but PLEASE review the posts for blatant typos before publishing. Just because this is a technical news service does not exempt it from professinal journalism standards. For example, this article in the first sentence states...

"DailyTech recently come across a recent Intel roadmap that reveals details on the next..."

It should read "DailyTech recently came across a recent Intel roadmap that reveals details on the next..."

Again, love the DailyTech service, but the writing at simply the grammatical level needs improvement. That's why God created editors, to do the dirty, but necessary work that technical writers are either unwilling or unable to do.

Kensei





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