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Intel is the latest Silicon Valley company to see demand for its product falter

Intel dropped its fourth-quarter revenue forecast by $1 billion in a bleak sign that demand has seemingly fallen off a cliff. The Santa Clara, CA-based company blamed a "significantly weaker" demand for the lower revenue forecast, and its stock will likely hit a 12-year low in the immediate future.

Intel's fourth quarter sales are expected to be around $9 billion, while company executives originally aimed for $10.1 billion to $10.9 billion.  Analysts predicted $10.3 billion in sales.

Intel will stop hiring new employees and will reduce discretionary spending, although it does not have any job cuts ready for the immediate future.

The global economic crisis has hit other industries first, but is finally hitting tech companies, as several other companies also have lowered forecasts and have started cutting jobs.

Cisco Systems reported last week that it saw a dramatic decline of sales orders in October, which alarmed analysts who assumed Cisco would be better suited to endure economic troubles than other companies.  In addition, Lenovo Group announced that its profits plummeted 78 percent.

"Of course, the big concern about the Intel announcement is that it is a bellweather of bad things to come for the technology industry, signaling, as chip companies often do, the early stages of tech spending declines to come," said IdaRose Sylvester, Freeform Dynamics Program Director.  "However, I caution people to question if the drivers here are Intel-specific, and related more to caution, not collapse, of its customers."

In separate news yesterday, IDC announced it lowered worldwide IT spending in 2009 due to the slumping economy.  The analyst firm originally believed 2009 spending would grow by 5.9 percent, but now anticipated a 2.6 percent increase compared with 2008.

Consumers and analysts will spend less on computer hardware, except for storage equipment, and the trend will continue throughout 2009.



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Job cuts???
By ajvitaly on 11/13/2008 2:32:13 PM , Rating: 3
The mention of job cuts comes up on a company that has made a profit in every single quarter since I can remember.

"Instead of making $1 billion this quarter, we're only going to make $700 million. So, to make up for it, we might consider cutting jobs to compensate for the slightly lower profit, executive bonuses, and to keep our stocks from falling an additional 2.5 percent."




RE: Job cuts???
By Gzus666 on 11/13/2008 3:09:17 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't it grand? Nobody is going to cut their own pay, even if they deserve it.


RE: Job cuts???
By Ringold on 11/13/2008 4:49:19 PM , Rating: 5
If they sell less, they could be cutting back on production output to avoid big inventories. Lower output, fewer people needed. Companies some times slow spending during hard times to avoid a cash crunch. Intel isn't a government bureau or welfare agency, people that aren't needed tend to get booted. It's not even a matter of how much the top executives are being paid.

And giving our companies the flexibility to rapidly fire and hire has consistently kept our unemployment substantially below Western Europe for the last several decades, so with the volatility has come long run benefit. Generous unemployment benefits keeps theirs a little higher too, but the effect is probably split between the two factors.


RE: Job cuts???
By Gzus666 on 11/13/2008 5:23:33 PM , Rating: 2
Boy, you went on a tangent, didn't you? Cutting bonuses and excessive management would always make the most sense to drop first. Cutting low level employees cuts morale by a lot. Low morale employees lose their loyalty and work ethic and become pre-occupied with losing their job. This cuts their productivity and quality of their work. But this would require someone in management that wasn't a moron and good luck finding those 4 leaf clovers.

Bonuses are meant for when a business and the employee getting it is doing a good job, not just cause they show up sometimes. No wonder we have so many people who don't do quality work.


RE: Job cuts???
By Gzus666 on 11/13/2008 5:26:50 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, forgot people having job security also encourages them to still be willing to spend, there by keeping the economy alive. If everyone is afraid to lose their job, they will never spend. I get this funny feeling that even though they work for Intel, they would probably buy computers with Intel chips from the store as well, assuming they weren't jobless or feared for their job.


RE: Job cuts???
By Adonlude on 11/13/2008 8:11:02 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds like everyone is a CEO/CFO here!


RE: Job cuts???
By Gzus666 on 11/13/2008 10:22:39 PM , Rating: 2
Cause CEO/CFOs are always known for being mental giants?


RE: Job cuts???
By Targon on 11/16/2008 7:43:15 PM , Rating: 2
Those who have worked their way up from the bottom will generally understand things a bit better than the corporate execs who tend to only have experience in management without the experience of actually producing anything.

Tech support understands the problems with the products they support better than management, because they hear directly from the customers just what the problems are as one example of this. The managers who have not worked their way up only hear things second hand and as a result, do not understand just how annoyed the customers are about the problems with the product(s), and as a result, the severity of problems will never properly be escalated.

Now, from those lower tier positions, watching how things work, managers who are incompetent tend to get the promotions upwards. Supervisors who brown-nose become the next managers, the incompetent brown-nosing managers become vice presidents. The vice presidents who are incompetent switch companies, get more experience, and eventually convince people they know enough to become a CEO, even though they should never have been put in a management position in the first place.

So, company does poorly, the execs continue to get big bonuses, but those who are doing the real work get nothing, or lose their jobs. That is the way it works in most companies. While many here will probably feel they could do a better job than many of the managers out there, that isn't saying they really feel they are ready for a CEO position.


RE: Job cuts???
By Ringold on 11/14/2008 4:38:12 AM , Rating: 4
You're the one that is on an irrelevant tangent, whining about executive compensation. I apologize for dealing with the issue that was at hand; job cuts. Executive compensation is a separate issue; whether or not they get paid 1m or 10m hasn't much bearing on if certain employees are rational to continue to keep on payroll. If, say, production is cut back.. do you really need that third shift, perhaps? If you look at many other companies in America, you'll really see a wider trend of businesses bending over backwards and doing everything humanly possible to actually avoid job cuts; forced furloughs, huge cut-backs on hours, etc. It can't always be helped, and if you look at GM's job cuts, many white collars get chopped as well.

As for employee morale, sorry, it's a global recession. Do employees need a hug?!? Besides, if you look at silly things like data, you'd note that American's tend to feel their own job is more secure compared to their view of the labor market in general. Strange results, but at least they are strange in a positive way.

Anyway, almost not sure why I bothered replying; there was nothing to reply to, no economic argument, just a bunch of pent up hate at people that make more money than you (and I).


RE: Job cuts???
By MamiyaOtaru on 11/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: Job cuts???
By Ringold on 11/14/2008 4:17:12 PM , Rating: 2
Be'cause in Fresh'man high school Eng'lish I had a hot teach'er and wasn'''''t pay'ing the right type of atten't'i'o'n'.


RE: Job cuts???
By MamiyaOtaru on 11/27/2008 4:18:51 AM , Rating: 2
I wish I'd had your problem


RE: Job cuts???
By Gzus666 on 11/14/2008 10:39:53 AM , Rating: 2
Tangent, Part Deux.

I didn't whine, I offered the logical solution. If you are paying some guy to run a company and he isn't doing a good job or the company is in the slump, why should he be getting bonuses? As for cutting employees that no longer have a use, fair enough, but I would still cut the bonuses first.

I'm sure lots of companies try not to lay off people, we just don't hear about them of course. I would be talking about the companies that leap immediately to laying off competent workers that have been on their payroll for years. It's hard to build up loyalty and knowledge of your business beyond just pure experience. Getting rid of the people who know the business usually shoots yourself in the foot.

quote:
Do employees need a hug?!? Besides, if you look at silly things like data, you'd note that American's tend to feel their own job is more secure compared to their view of the labor market in general.


This is how you know you would make a terrible manager, cause you don't take into account things like employee well being. It has been proven time and time again, happy employees will produce better results every time.

There was almost nothing to reply to yet you somehow made 2 large paragraphs? Yes, the only reason I care about other people who get laid off is because I'm so jealous of their money. I work at a privately held company with no layoffs ever, I really have nothing to worry about where that is concerned. It's almost like I can analyze a situation without being directly affected, amazing, I know.

Also, American's tend? Are they possessing tend? American is tend?


RE: Job cuts???
By Ringold on 11/14/2008 4:30:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is how you know you would make a terrible manager, cause you don't take into account things like employee well being. It has been proven time and time again, happy employees will produce better results every time.


Of course it's important to treat them well; if not for the purpose of higher productivity, in todays flexible labor market they can easily get up and go to a competitor. Productivity from an employee that no longer exists, I think, is zero. :) My point is, it's a global recession, and if times are hard, there isn't much I can see that can be done to soften the blow of headcount reductions. It's just a case that sucks, but times are hard, and I'd assume people are adults and don't need a hug to make them feel better about events that are beyond our control. Perhaps when people around them are disappearing they should be concerned! They should be thinking about what they add to the company, what value they have relative to others, that may give them an edge either at their current job or competing for their next one, and they should be thinking about how to improve that edge. This is part of the entire problem with America right now -- we're trying desperately to shield people from any discomfort we can, and we're selling our economic souls in the process.

As for the rest, we're starting to agree, because you've come off the blind outrage at executives and started making reasoned arguments.


RE: Job cuts???
By therealnickdanger on 11/13/2008 3:24:11 PM , Rating: 2
Everybody hates #1.


RE: Job cuts???
By Gzus666 on 11/13/2008 3:57:30 PM , Rating: 1
Yet if you weren't retarded, you would see it had nothing to do with that...


RE: Job cuts???
By DallasTexas on 11/14/2008 6:48:30 AM , Rating: 2
Did you make up your own set of "quotes" to make a silly assertion? The economy is tanking and we have Intel as a bright spot in terms of not unloading even more engineers onto the streets. All you can come up with is dissing what is probably the strongest US technology company in the US with a made up assertion? You're a fool.


Everyone is tightening their belts
By amanojaku on 11/13/2008 1:50:37 PM , Rating: 2
The poor did it first, then the middle class, then the rich, and now big business. I hope the poor are the first ones back on their feet, then the middle class, then the rich, and then big business.




RE: Everyone is tightening their belts
By FaceMaster on 11/13/2008 1:54:33 PM , Rating: 4
We're talking about processors here, not prostitution.


By amanojaku on 11/13/2008 3:24:47 PM , Rating: 3
Isn't that the same thing? It's all input and output...


RE: Everyone is tightening their belts
By Creig on 11/13/2008 3:35:30 PM , Rating: 2
What's the difference? Either way somebody is getting screwed.


RE: Everyone is tightening their belts
By Ringold on 11/13/2008 4:39:38 PM , Rating: 3
It can't turn around quite like that..

Business has to recover in confidence if not in actual revenue in order to create jobs, no jobs no upper class and middle class prosperity, no prosperity there then those people don't create the demand for the "poor" folk jobs (retail clerks, waiters, manufacturing jobs, etc). Without jobs created by business, how can the poor and the middle class in particular recover?

The government could pump money in to the middle and lower class pockets, give business temporary tax benefits, etc, but thats a different argument. If anything, all sectors of society need to recover together, not some class warfare where the poor and middle class somehow create their own prosperity, and thats what government "pump priming" tries to do. Note the concern policy makers have on if consumers sit on distributed money; if they don't spend it with business, it does the economy no good, and the money might as well be burned. I suppose middle class folk could start new small businesses,or try, but then again that starts to elevate them above the middle class..

The economy really did hold up well until September, when credit markets forced business to tighten their belts. Well, at least we can comfort ourselves that just about every economist I see on CNBC and read in papers agrees we're in better shape than Europe. :P


By Phynaz on 11/13/2008 4:52:49 PM , Rating: 2
Oops, sorry about that, meant to mod you up.

This post will take care of the accident.


This bodes ill
By rudolphna on 11/13/2008 1:52:49 PM , Rating: 3
For the entire industry as a whole. If Intel is expecting such a massive drop in sales, Lenovo and Cisco area reporting massive losses as well, it can only mean things are about to take a turn for the worse in the tech industry. Intel should be able to endure this with little trouble, but Im worried about companies that havent been doing well, particularly AMD. Think about it, AMD is just about out of the red, into the black. They are almost profitable again. It will be horrible if this causes them to drop back where they were. I have a gut feeling NVIDIA is in for a beating, as are DRAM makers.




RE: This bodes ill
By Slappi on 11/13/2008 8:57:36 PM , Rating: 2
AMD is not out of the red.

Sheesh were do you guys get your information?

AMD is at 2.5/pps

AMD better hope we come out of a recession fast or they might be out of business soon. You can't float that much debt for too long.


RE: This bodes ill
By rudolphna on 11/13/2008 11:13:58 PM , Rating: 2
you misread my statement. I didnt say they were out of the red YET, they estimated a return to profitability by the end of 4th quarter 09, if I remember correctly.


RE: This bodes ill
By fibreoptik on 11/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: This bodes ill
By rudolphna on 11/14/2008 5:33:55 PM , Rating: 2
at least I dont stoop so low as to use wors like douchebag. You sound like an idiot for talking like you do. Im aware that it is a recession. My point is, if you even read the damn post, that it intel and others reporting such massive losses, then it will be even worse for smaller companies like AMD. No reason to be an asshole.


Thanks for posting this...
By fibreoptik on 11/14/2008 12:15:50 PM , Rating: 2
... it help the stock drop off more so that I can buy it on the cheap.

I owe you a beer or something ;)




RE: Thanks for posting this...
By fibreoptik on 11/14/2008 12:17:11 PM , Rating: 2
*will help even :p


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