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Employees working on 200mm technology gets moved aside for 300mm engineers

Job cuts in the IT industry have been a familiar situation for individuals and companies for the last several years after the burst of the bubble. While the situation is a lot better today than it was several years ago, large job cuts are still common. This week, Intel announced that roughly 1000 jobs will be cut in New Mexico at its Rio Rancho plant which is known as Fab 11X. Intel's 300mm plant currently holds roughly 5000 employees and a 20 percent job cut anywhere is hefty.

Intel indicated that Fab 11X also produces 200mm silicon wafers, which is now an obsolete technology. Because of this, those involved in that technology will be let go. Intel's push to expand its 300mm technology is in full force. The company recently announced that it will expand its 300mm production facilities in China with a focus on a move to 45nm fabrication.

Intel indicated that it will be offering employees severance packages and the option to reapply for a job within the company. "Both options give you a great package, a competitive package," said Intel spokesman Jami Grindatto. "It's based on years of service"

Some employees that are part of the cut have been working at Intel for more than 25 years.

Late last year, Intel announced a major plan to restructure the company as a whole. As a result, roughly 10,000 employees ended up on the chopping block. Several days after the announcement, Intel increased the figure to 10,500 employees, making for a 10% cut of its entire global workforce.



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Now I've seen it all!
By Crank the Planet on 5/3/2007 1:33:57 PM , Rating: 5
On the wake of dealing massive price cuts to hurt AMD, Intel is slashing it's own wrists in an attempt to stiffle the competition. The price cuts Intel has made, along with wanting to get to 45nm before AMD can release significant numbers of Barcelona has resulted in strategic losses to the company. You don't sacrifice people that have worked for you for 25 years, you just don't. You will never gain that experience back. I am not bagging on Intel as I have in the past. I am making a sad comment in that I am sad. I'm sad to see Intel, the number one chipmaker in the world, have to resort to the drastic measures they've taken recently. They may have started this price war and they will probably win it, but at what cost? It would be a Pyrrhic victory for Intel. No one would have dreamed it would come to this.




RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 5/3/2007 1:44:32 PM , Rating: 4
Or you could get a reality check. You can't teach old dogs new tricks. These guys are dead wood. 200mm wafer technology is done with, 300mm is the standard now. This lets intel cut all the losers, old timers, dead wood, etc.... and those that have useful skills still applicable can apply to job postings elsewhere at Intel and likely get it. This just prevents anyone from "suing" for descrimination, and trying to get them to "re-use" already internal staff. Job cuts are usually good, lets companies dump dead wood that would otherwise try to sue, this way there is no grounds, nobody was singled out, everyone was cut, but some were "hired" elsewhere in the company, but it gets out of the legal bottleneck.

quote:
You don't sacrifice people that have worked for you for 25 years, you just don't.

Yes you do, I have plenty of people here 20+ years I would love to see fired, they are outdated, they suck, and are in the way of the modern era. Intel knows this and is taking the appropriate action.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Crank the Planet on 5/3/07, Rating: 0
RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 5/3/07, Rating: 0
RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Crank the Planet on 5/3/2007 2:51:47 PM , Rating: 3
I quite agree as Intel has come out with a sure fire winner with Core. At the same time you have to acknowledge that AMD will gain it back with Barcelona. I've read it offers a 33% increase over Core. Who isn't going to switch? And on every platform- desktop and server and supercomputer, esp. with HT3. Intel needs to come out with some new tech because they sure ain't going to grab market share back this time with a speed bump or gimmmicks like "Netburst."

Intel has had to cut jobs to cope with revenue lost due to AMD's market share gain. Intel is doing the same and AMD will have to restructure. But the one thing AMD has is products coming out now and with new tech, and with newer tech in development/finalisation. What is Intel coming out with? 45nm on CMOS? Come on. They need to come out with something bigger and better than that. Layered chip design, high-k gate, something. I expect it too- especially since they have such deep pockets (well, I guess they're not as deep as they used to be-lol). Believe me I want Intel to come out with something, because that will benefit everyone. It definitely seems to me that Intel should be driving innovation- not AMD. Intel seems to be content just to beat AMD nowadays. As I said I want and expect more from Intel than that.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By blin22 on 5/3/2007 3:21:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They need to come out with something bigger and better than that. Layered chip design, high-k gate, something.


A high-k dielectric is part of the new 45nm process, along woth a switch back to metal gates from poly.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 5/3/07, Rating: 0
RE: Now I've seen it all!
By TSS on 5/4/2007 3:23:58 AM , Rating: 1
you are forgetting something, and that is that AMD is running a marathon right now. they know they dont have the money to keep up with intel on the shrinking of the proces. but every time they go smaller, it costs more and more money to develop and transfer too. eventually after intel has spent alot of money, they will run into the limits of nature. which, at the current rate, is going to be quite fast. at that point AMD will have more then enough time to catch up. besides, IF what AMD said about the performance is true, then indeed they will have a 30% advantage over conroe and be on par with penryn. but, they will be 30% above penryn again once they go 45nm. at which point intel will introduce nehalem, which will probably be about.... 30% better then penryn?

at the moment, AMD can still use 1 more 30% performance advantage from a shrink, since there 1 behind on intel. and they're probably saving it for the right time.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By blwest on 5/3/2007 4:44:31 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Well you can believe what you want, but most people can't or won't change. Intel just retook most of the markeshare AMD had generated in the last 1-2 years. This is a natural evolution of the company, time to cut less or non-profitable workers and positions, even product lines. This has very little to do with AMD, this has everything to do with positioning to dominate. If anything this is a restructuring effort to make sure they have a firmly solidified grip on the market and keep AMD with their <20% marketshare. They cut jobs for 200mm wafers. That is less profitable than the 300mm wafers Intel currently produces. This is also because Intel's 300mm manufacturing is completely automated, you just need highly skilled people to maintain and Quality Control the machines. 200mm manufacturing was not fully automated and the machines weren't as reliable. "Out with the old in with the new" is the slogan for this layoff. Intel doesn't need people who do the work in making 200mm wafers, machines do that now, and machines are cheaper..


I'd like to see proof of your opinions please. You seem to be "dead wood" to me. (how do you like it now, that your job is on the line?)


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Arterion on 5/3/2007 6:52:51 PM , Rating: 2
I hope you end up poor for a couple years.

You'll regret all things you've said. You'll learn how life is for people who really have to worry about making it.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By cochy on 5/3/2007 7:20:22 PM , Rating: 2
Why would he? He's speaking from a company like Intel's point of view. Corporations do not emphasize with people's lives. If you get fired it's like getting dumped by your gf. You need to move on and depending on your skill set it shouldn't be hard to grab your bags and move on to something new. I'm sure their severance packages are more than adequate. Intel is cutting job and streamlining operations so they can lower prices for us consumers.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By bupkus on 5/3/2007 7:47:03 PM , Rating: 2
Yah, that's the ticket, Intel is a public service only trying to reduce prices to us the consumers. :p


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By cochy on 5/4/2007 1:21:57 AM , Rating: 2
Well obviously they main motivation is higher profits. They are cutting prices as we can all see. They need to reduce expenses to pay for those price cuts.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By retrospooty on 5/4/2007 12:17:52 AM , Rating: 4
You have to remember, companies dont just cut a random 20%, they cut the least productive old dogs that aren't even trying anymore. Every company with long time employees has this issue, and most managers would love a layoff to get rid of some dead weight.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By kalak on 5/7/2007 4:29:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You have to remember, companies dont just cut a random 20%, they cut the least productive old dogs that aren't even trying anymore


You are WRONG !!!!
They DO this ! Yes, R.A.N.D.O.M. !!! I have worked for 19 years in IT for now and, believe me, they just cut people. NO analysis... NO interview.... Just GET OFF !!!
"fired at will!"


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Griswold on 5/3/2007 2:42:36 PM , Rating: 3
Instead of cutting jobs "because these people work on 200mm wafers which are obsolete", Intel could modernize that part of the Fab and start churning out more 300m wafers. But reality is, Intel will do that in China instead.

Be nice if they (and you) call it what it is.

quote:
Yes you do, I have plenty of people here 20+ years I would love to see fired, they are outdated, they suck, and are in the way of the modern era. Intel knows this and is taking the appropriate action.


That kind of attitude usually comes from people who never truly worked in their life, be it because daddy got the money and built the company or they're too young and think its "cool" to talk like the big CEOs. I just hope this arrogance will, one day, hit you straight in the face.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 5/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: Now I've seen it all!
By FITCamaro on 5/3/2007 3:59:09 PM , Rating: 1
It's also why your coworkers hate you and will likely work together to get you fired. Newsflash for you, the guy in charge likely has been there a long time and is better friends with them than you.

And I don't know where you work, but at least in real engineering, many companies are having to hire back older employees because the "new kids on the block" don't know shit and they want experienced people who know what they're doing. And I say that as a 24 year old who, as I watch people coming in for interviews, see mostly people in their 40s-50s getting hired.

Yes it means I get to train them on new tools (I'm not in IT but I administer a requirements tool) and they're perfectly capable of learning. The only time they're not is when they're lazy or they insist on doing things the way they've done it for years. Good engineers evolve with the times.

Unfortunately all this "process" shit is only creating younger employees who never think about how to get things done because a process is defined and they're forced to do it that way even if there's a better, faster way. Luckily I don't always conform to them and suggest the better ways to do things at my job and so far, have gotten what I want to make my job easier.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By jtesoro on 5/4/2007 2:15:32 AM , Rating: 2
I sympathize with those let go, and I'm sure the feeling would be stronger had I been in a similar situation (or know people who were).

However, While Master Kenobi uses pretty "strong" words, I feel that he has a better grasp of business than people posting against him in this site. I'll bet that the huge majority of execs see it his way. In case we're forgetting, Intel is actually cutting the jobs, so their top guys obviously have the same mindset as he does. In a way, it could be said that he's in good company and is "on track" with his exec-level thinking. He might need to learn how to soften his tone though.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By borismkv on 5/3/2007 6:47:21 PM , Rating: 2
There's a pretty big difference between the IT industry and the Fab industry. In IT, if someone is sitting around fixing computers after 25 years of experience, they haven't been working. And I'll agree that there is a lot of dead wood in the IT industry (Having a 20 year experience tech ask me if a North Bridge chip was a Co-processor convinced me of that). But in the manufacturing industry, experience is much more important than flexibility. People who've been around in a manufacturing position for 25 years know a great deal more about the processes involved in getting things done and how to do them more efficiently. They are more than likely the type of people who are going to get re-hired by Intel to move to new fabs. And they're less likely to be the type of jackass who aspires to middle-management, that most useless of all positions.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By bupkus on 5/3/2007 8:00:14 PM , Rating: 2
Executive:
Excuse me Ken, have you a minute? We're having trouble with our 200mm line and we need a troubleshooter to help it along. We feel you can help us get that process moving ahead.
We'll need you to report to line 2 of the Deadwood building this Saturday. Yah... that would be terrific.
Oh, oh, and I almost forgot. Ahh, I'm also gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too... ok? Greaaate.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By blwest on 5/3/2007 4:47:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
quote:
Yes you do, I have plenty of people here 20+ years I would love to see fired, they are outdated, they suck, and are in the way of the modern era. Intel knows this and is taking the appropriate action.

That kind of attitude usually comes from people who never truly worked in their life, be it because daddy got the money and built the company or they're too young and think its "cool" to talk like the big CEOs. I just hope this arrogance will, one day, hit you straight in the face.


I agree. This guy is a little cocky. The one thing that "old" people bring to the table is experience--something you obviously don't have any of.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By crystal clear on 5/4/2007 4:23:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I just hope this arrogance will, one day, hit you straight in the face.


Appears this Kenobi is some college student-lacks experience
in life.
Dont take his stuff seriously.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By jtesoro on 5/4/2007 10:07:31 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know Kenobi's age, but his logic is in line with the Intel executives who made the decision to lay off these people. I'll bet those Intel executives have quite a bit of "experience in life".


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By kalak on 5/7/2007 4:31:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That kind of attitude usually comes from people who never truly worked in their life, be it because daddy got the money and built the company or they're too young and think its "cool" to talk like the big CEOs. I just hope this arrogance will, one day, hit you straight in the face.


YOU SAID IT ALL !


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By SleepNoMore on 5/3/2007 6:56:30 PM , Rating: 5
Some attitudes show their own kind of blindness / ugliness. I'm in IT at a large organization. Management tried "cleaning out the deadwood" and basically they shot themselves in the foot. It demoralized everyone - young and old and there was a mass exodus, and the money which was decent was not enough to keep the ones left behind with the extra work from the supposed "dead wood". In many cases processes weren't "reinvented". Instead they were sadly, rediscovered piece by piece. "Oh that's WHY the old farts did things that way." Top management got enough complaints about it and realized it wasn't working and that in most cases everytime they canned a 7 year employee year, that $50,000 per employee was walking out the door. Sooooo..top management subsequently fired (through a reorg) the mid and upper-mid level hatchet management who were specifically brought in by them AND the HR dept. too which was handpicked (yes) to turn a blind eye to their crap. The employees that survived this period ultimately had the last laugh but it was a 3 year debacle and the entire organization went backwards. By the way, two years later our bond rating is better than ever and IS as a whole is delivering much better service. Not because of having canned "deadwood" but because people can now work without fear of taking a sick day or a bathroom break (yeah it got that punk.) Yeah people get older and move slower. While some younger people rush in with their ego and fawk things up 3 times before they realize they haven't taken everything into account, old people can stop and think big picture (all related and downstream systems, TCO, etc) "Hold it...Uhhh I've seen this before" because they themselves were young once in this industry too. In a project meeting the other day I realized it took the collective knowledge of * everybody * in the room (young AND old)...their years in IS at our particular company - to find the right way to make this project happen. The company is lucky to have me, and I them. It's a great deal.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By cheetah2k on 5/3/2007 10:13:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes you do, I have plenty of people here 20+ years I would love to see fired, they are outdated, they suck, and are in the way of the modern era


One day you will be there mate, 20+ years, and people wanting to fire your a$$. With that sort of attitude, i can't wait.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By jtesoro on 5/4/2007 10:00:12 AM , Rating: 2
And he recognizes something like this is possible.
quote:
If I slacked off or performed mediocre with my salary I would be up on a chopping block when firings come around.

This is reality people. It's interesting how much heat Master Kenobi's getting here because of the words he is using. Maybe the backlash is somewhat deserved, but I think people should separate his attitude with the logic of the situation.

You are arrogant, therefore there laying off people with obsolete skills is wrong. Huh???


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Justin Case on 5/3/2007 11:17:51 PM , Rating: 2
> You can't teach old dogs new tricks.

Didn't the MythBusters show that, in fact, you can? :P


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By crystal clear on 5/4/2007 4:26:48 AM , Rating: 2
Dogs are loyal & faithfull to their masters - so are workers (the old ones).


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Justin Case on 5/4/2007 11:08:20 AM , Rating: 2
I think the issue here is that Intel's cuts have nothing to do with these people being "unable to learn new tricks", as the jerk above suggested. It doesn't matter how old or young or competent they are. Intel is trying to cut costs by making the plant 99% automated, period. Some jobs simply won't exist anymore, so even the best guy in the world would have no place in the new fab.

And since even that 1% human component costs some money, they're planning to build their new fabs where humans are cheaper (China, etc.). From a global justice point of view I guess that's acceptable (even a "poor" american is probably quite wealthy by chinese standards). Anyone who supports capitalism and free markets has to agree. But from the point of view of the people losing their jobs, capitalism probably doesn't look so great right now.

As they say, you can always vote with your wallet. Trouble is, most people prefer products to be 10% cheaper, even if that means a 20 or 30% increase in the unemployment rate after a few years. Human brains aren't very good at long-term planning...


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By kmmatney on 5/4/2007 2:27:12 AM , Rating: 3
It's not that hard for anybody to switch from 200mm to 300mm operation. It helluv expensive to switch a fab over or to build as new 300 mm fab, for the employees the differences aren't huge. My company builds 300 mm tools, and before that we built 200 mm tools, and before that 150 mm tools. They are all similar in principle, and no reason to fire anyone just because they were currently working on 200 mm. Your probably right about "good" people getting hired back on, though.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By crystal clear on 5/4/2007 4:14:43 AM , Rating: 2
-Yes your attitudes are indeed very insulting/disgusting.

-Yes your terminolgy is perverted.

-yes you do not know what your talking & you are certainly not from Intel & know nothing whats going on there.

-Yes Intel (Israel) is hiring people,even after their JLM fab is closing down.
Their JLM staff will be retrained & relocated elsewhere.

-Yes Intel is financed with a billion or two by Govts where
they set up their fabs.
Govts are not fools to shell out this money.
No govt will tolerate attitudes like yours-It will take exactly 10 minutes to make you DEAD WOOD with one telephone call from a prime minister of that country to the Intel CEO.

-Yes technology is always changing/progressing & there is something called RETRAINING PROGRAMMES that upgrade worker skills.

-Yes there are plenty of Intel managers worth firing also.

-Yes Intel is always cutting costs because of its price wars with AMD.Price cuts= Cost cuts.

-Yes Job cuts are done when you OUTSOURCE your production to
China or India & not because the workers are deadwood & all that thrash that you write.

-Yes SOON even mangerial Jobs will be outsourced to India as Indian managers come cheaper & YOU will become DEAD WOOD/Oldtimers/loser/suck etc.YOU ARE NEXT IN LINE !
By the way Indian managers SPEAK GOOD/READ/WRITE GOOD ENGLISH.

Summary-YOU ARE TALKING NONSENSE !


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Procurion on 5/4/2007 8:00:40 AM , Rating: 2
What are you? 30 years old? Maybe 35? You obviously have no clue about management. Saying people with extensive experience in your field are deadwood because they've been there for a while smacks of jealousy and immaturity, not because it's good business sense. Training is, without any equal, the most expensive thing an employer does....experience is so valuable that a price tag cannot be put on it. In most circumstances, fabrication processes while different, hold a plethora of common functions. If you really are actually a manager, you're not a very good one.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By jtesoro on 5/4/2007 10:38:05 AM , Rating: 2
Accusing someone of being too young and having no clue about management? As I've said before, the Intel execs who decided on the layoffs are probably "mature" and have lots of management expertise, so let's not let emotion cloud us too much please.

No one is saying that "people with extensive experience in your field are deadwood because they've been there a while". This is what the DT article says:
quote:
Intel indicated that Fab 11X also produces 200mm silicon wafers, which is now an obsolete technology. Because of this, those involved in that technology will be let go.

Intel indicated that it will be offering employees severance packages and the option to reapply for a job within the company.

Kenobi is saying as much, but in harsher language.

I'd like to make a couple of analogies to make things clearer, but I think it'll just fan the flames. Maybe quoting the original article will help:
quote:
Grindatto said market demand for products played a role in the job cuts, but a more automated process also means fewer workers.

In case you all missed it: THEY NEED FEWER WORKERS. It's very unfortunate for those laid off, but that's the reality of the situation.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Shintai on 5/3/2007 1:47:14 PM , Rating: 2
It 1000 people working in the Flash division. It got nothing to do with CPUs. The flash industry is extremely harsh right now.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By ChipDude on 5/3/2007 2:34:40 PM , Rating: 4
Such ignorance

1) INTEL dropped prices and made 1.9 billion last quarter. They have done this while pulling in 45nm and building 4 45nm factories. That ain't slashing wrists that is just a great business crushing its competitor

2) The workforce reduction is related to shutting older 200mm factories. THe new one in NM and the one they are going ot build in china are 2x more productive and cost effective.

No wrist slashing


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 5/3/07, Rating: 0
RE: Now I've seen it all!
By dare2savefreedom on 5/3/2007 4:15:06 PM , Rating: 1
mAster cantobe -

you sir are a punk!

My dad did 24.99987 years at ibm and always rated excellent
and they gave him the axe because they didn't want to really have to pay for his retirement. He is still working elsewhere and still has a few years of good work left in him.

Stop being a jerk and change your name to "mAster Ashhole"

karma baby it's headed your way.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By TomZ on 5/3/2007 5:09:47 PM , Rating: 2
If what you described really happened (which I doubt), then I assume your dad hired a lawyer and sued IBM for wrongful termination, right?


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By dare2savefreedom on 5/3/2007 9:53:29 PM , Rating: 2
Hello,

welcome to Korporate State of AmeriKa 2007.

Him and about 100 plus other IBMers are sueing together.
All almost had 25 years and were about to get the golden
promised retirement - but it's all lies - whatever IBM tells don't believe it - they wont pay -Guaranteed(c)(tm)(r)


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By crystal clear on 5/4/2007 4:37:03 AM , Rating: 1
There are also COURTS & JUDGES in America that give you JUSTICE.

I hope you believe in the court of justice.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By TomZ on 5/3/2007 5:13:31 PM , Rating: 3
You hit the nail right on the head. Out with the old, in with the new.

I think you have to be more careful with such stereotypes. While it is probably true that some older workers do not perform as well as their younger counterparts, in some cases the opposite is true.

Also in some types of jobs where experience is important, e.g., management, many of the more senior workers have a real serious advantage over younger workers.

I guess what I'm saying is your "ageist" comments are probably wrong in as many cases as they are right.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By crystal clear on 5/4/2007 5:49:59 AM , Rating: 2
Here you mean-

OUT- USA (old)

IN-CHINA (new)

OUT with your stupid comments !

IN with some realistic comments !


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By crystal clear on 5/4/2007 6:08:57 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
INTEL dropped prices and made 1.9 billion last quarter


Yes Intel dropped prices and made 1.9 billion BECAUSE OF A SUPERIOR PRODUCT last quarter.

Such ignorance ! not to realize what I said .


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By Orthogonal on 5/3/2007 5:23:36 PM , Rating: 2
As an employee of Intel I can tell you that the writing has been on the wall for quite some time at Fab11. In fact, for over the past year people have been jumping ship like crazy over there, this comes as no surprise to anyone in the company. I know there are lots of people that are actively seeking the severance package so they stayed to take it, anyone who wanted a job outside Fab11 has had several opportunities to go. Sure there are likely some people that were legitimately screwed, but most people are getting a good deal out of the situation and the company can now move on from an outdated technology.


RE: Now I've seen it all!
By jtesoro on 5/4/2007 10:51:19 AM , Rating: 2
Now that's a good post from an insider. It probably deserves a 6 rating. Too bad your comment got located down here away from the emotional riot going on up there.


across the border
By tacoburrito on 5/3/2007 1:34:12 PM , Rating: 1
I think Intel's plan is to lay off the Mexican workers and then wait for them to jump across our borders; then rehire them as illegal immigrants and pay them minimum wage with no benfits.




RE: across the border
By therealnickdanger on 5/3/2007 1:45:11 PM , Rating: 2
LOL

Interesting hypothesis, Mr. Tacoburrito. Any facts to back that up? XD

I can already see a hole in your hypothesis: why would Intel currently employ illegals with benefits to lay off in the first place? Wouldn't any illegals working there already be paid minimum wage without bennies?


RE: across the border
By Rockjock51 on 5/3/2007 2:10:41 PM , Rating: 2
If they're in Mexico.. how are they illegals?


RE: across the border
By darkpaw on 5/3/2007 2:17:27 PM , Rating: 2
He's saying they're legal in mexico, but would come to the us illeagally. I'm not saying that would happen and I think he was being sarcastic anways, but you kinda missed the point.


RE: across the border
By kitchme on 5/3/2007 6:11:21 PM , Rating: 2
And what exactly is the point? Lame joke involving lame stereotype.


RE: across the border
By blin22 on 5/3/2007 2:29:10 PM , Rating: 4
Rio Rancho is in New Mexico. This Intel site is inside the US. I urge DailyTech to correct this error.


RE: across the border
By Rike on 5/3/2007 4:01:02 PM , Rating: 2
RE: across the border
By darkpaw on 5/3/2007 4:26:21 PM , Rating: 2
Yah, thats kinda a big mistake (and still not corrected 2 hours later).


RE: across the border
By johnsonx on 5/3/2007 6:47:46 PM , Rating: 2
Still not corrected 2 more hours later either. A very poor showing DT!


RE: across the border
By cheetah2k on 5/3/2007 10:17:33 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe Master "a$$hole" Kenobi needs to fire Nguyen's a$$ for incompetence?


RE: across the border
By lynxss on 5/3/2007 5:23:42 PM , Rating: 2
Us New Mexicans are somewhat used to this sort of thing by now however annoying it is, like having to explain to the ticket counter that I dont need a passport to fly to Albuquerque, NEW Mexico.

My mother whos a school teacher a few years ago couldnt get new geography books for her class because the publisher (a quite large one) did not ship outside the US to New Mexico. Go figgure.


RE: across the border
By psandeep on 5/3/2007 4:27:05 PM , Rating: 2
Rio Rancho is in New Mexico, USA. Intel does not hire illegals and can spell benefits.


RE: across the border
By Martimus on 5/3/2007 4:38:45 PM , Rating: 2
If I remember correctly, we payed our mexican workers far less than the US minimum wage when I worked at Ford. Even the engineers made a paltry sum. I know that the workers in Poland wade less than $2 a day, but I wasn't involved in the work in Mexico, but I heard stories of their tiny salaries from others.


RE: across the border
By TomZ on 5/3/2007 5:07:41 PM , Rating: 1
Uh, why would any company hire workers in a particular market and pay US wages? To do so would be stupid. Employers should pay the local market rate, and who cares if that is lower than or higher than US labor rates?


RE: across the border
By gescom on 5/3/2007 5:50:16 PM , Rating: 1
I badly hope time will come when US people will be paid less than a 1$/h. Just for a taste.


RE: across the border
By ebakke on 5/3/2007 9:30:51 PM , Rating: 2
Sure, and our cost of living will drop to match that $1/hr wage.

Honestly, if you truly think that you can compare dollar for dollar wages between the US and any other country, without factoring in any other variables, you are an idiot.


RE: across the border
By Xietsu on 5/3/2007 11:24:01 PM , Rating: 2
Life is a game of consideration and preparation. If you are unable to implement your precautioning to the best capacity possible, you may in fact lie with the result of seeing the knotted end of the stick.

I say this because, for one, this has applicability in the contemplations of any arisen conversation (e.g. conceptual confrontation in general), and for two due to the simple relation relayed by Master Kenobi. For any of you too parochial in thought to fully reflect upon portions of his commenting in the manner you ought, I will quote them here for emphasis.

Master Kenobi said:
No. That attitude keeps me employed, and is the reason I'm ahead of the game. If I slacked off or performed mediocre with my salary I would be up on a chopping block when firings come around. Currently we are laying off a good number of IT workers, most of them have been around 15+ years. Why? Because they do not bring anything unique to the table. We can replace them or in some cases do without them. Technology enables 1 person to do the work of many, and each day the amount of work 1 person can accomplish is increasing. If you can't keep up with the curve, when it's time to make some cuts your name will be on that list.


RE: across the border
By TomZ on 5/4/2007 4:22:50 PM , Rating: 1
I am a native English speaker, and I have no idea what you are trying to say.


RE: across the border
By kalak on 5/7/2007 4:57:38 PM , Rating: 2
I am NOT a native English speaker, and I have no idea what you are trying to say.
;-)


RE: across the border
By johnsonx on 5/3/2007 6:54:44 PM , Rating: 2
I always love it when some US company gets accused of 'exploiting foreign workers' by paying them only $2 per day or whatever it is this week. If their next best choice is working in the local fields for $1 per day, or perhaps no work at all for no money, how have they been exploited? It sounds like a good deal to me.


Need a job
By zemane on 5/4/2007 9:31:58 AM , Rating: 1
I am a 48 years old Software Engineer currently looking for a job. I live in Austin, Texas and would prefer to stay here but I am willing to relocate. I am pretty capable to lean new tricks and in fact I am looking for it. Contact me at zemane at softhome dot net. Thanks.




RE: Need a job
By TomZ on 5/4/2007 4:24:28 PM , Rating: 1
Do you think that comment-spam is an effective method for finding a job? Probably not, I would guess. Let us know how this works out for you.


RE: Need a job
By crystal clear on 5/5/2007 2:52:32 AM , Rating: 2
Israeli High Tech is flourishing-

Plenty of startups with venture capital financing+plenty of Established playerplayers/companies in the market around.
(Intel/MS/IBM/Motorola/HP/ & more have R&D facilities & ALL are expanding & hiring)

A lot R&D work being done here-drop in & check it out !

Israel is as safe as Austin also AGE no barrier-all you got to do is to fit into R&D envoirement.


By crystal clear on 5/4/2007 7:44:53 AM , Rating: 3
Intel's Otellini Promises More Innovation, Lower Costs

Intel Chief Executive Paul Otellini on Thursday said his company plans to take its processors into every segment of the computer market, from servers to consumer electronics, while driving down costs.
In addressing Intel's Spring Analyst Meeting in New York, Otellini and Intel executives painted a picture of a company that has fully recovered from its slump of a year ago and is now firing on all cylinders. The engine behind the company's product improvements is its switch to a 45-nm manufacturing process from a 65-nm process. The move is expected to boost processor performance, while driving down chip size and manufacturing costs. At the same time, energy consumption won't increase.

"This is very much foot to the floor in terms of technology and performance," Sean Maloney, executive VP and general manager of sales and marketing for Intel, told analysts.

Otellini said the company is on target to cut expenses by $2 billion this year, and $1 billion more next year. Andy Bryant, executive VP and chief financial officer, later said he didn't know where he would find the additional cost savings, but was confident the 2008 goal could be reached. Otellini said headcount would be reduced, but didn't say how many jobs could be cut. Intel has already reduced the number of jobs at the company in the last six months to 92,000 from 103,000.

This year and next, Otellini expects profit growth to outpace revenue growth. "While we will have revenue growth this year, I would expect that our bottom line growth will grow faster in 2007 and 2008 than our top line growth," Otellini said.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jh...




By rudy on 5/3/2007 9:00:50 PM , Rating: 2
This seems to be all the rage now in the US. Cut your most experienced employees. I wonder if you get cut and rehired do you lose any retirement time you had? I guess seeing how the auto industry pays so heavily for retired workers everyone thinks now they will just go through every 5 years and blast everyone in older facilities to kill off any chance they can finish their career. It's pretty sad, is their honestly that big of a difference between 200mm and 300mm wafers that these guys can simply not adapt? Somehow I doubt it, its just a different sized wafer. Its not like its a radical new technology. I think they just see an opportunity to ditch experienced workers and replace them with young cheap labor fresh out of college without a family to take care of. And of course ship the other jobs off to China.




China - Lucky Chinese
By carolyn on 5/4/2007 3:49:46 PM , Rating: 2
The really SAD part of Intel's decision is that they are basically FOLLOWING all the other large corporations and sending the work to China. God Bless the Chinese, they need good paying jobs and a higher standard of living too. But the top execs here should get "out sourced" and replaced with someone who will be making 10% of their wage.

Why is the lowest price, lowest everything what we are aiming for? Experienced workers are valuable and the guy who kept calling them "dead wood" is "dead wrong"!




By crystal clear on 5/5/2007 4:02:44 AM , Rating: 2
Here comes the response from "Larry Waldman is a senior economist with the University of New Mexico's Bureau of Business and Economic Research"

Quote-

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- An economist said Intel's decision to cut more than 1,000 jobs at its Rio Rancho manufacturing plant could ripple out and cost another 1,000 jobs.

He said the Intel cutbacks aren't going to end with Intel's 1,000 jobs.

He said it would affect other parts of the economy in the retail and service jobs that might supplement Intel workers.

But Waldman said the losses would have only a minor impact on the Albuquerque metro area's economy.

Economic development leaders said the area's economy is poised to absorb many of the jobs lost at Intel.

http://www.koat.com/money/13252742/detail.html




sigh
By Pandamonium on 5/4/2007 2:01:30 AM , Rating: 1
I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's really disheartening to see headlines that read "company x to cut y domestic jobs, opening factory in z country" on a weekly basis.

The problem is, outsourcing is great for any individual company, but it's detrimental for the US economy. So the headlines will continue coming in even after we hit a recession and acknowledge the damage we've caused ourselves. The only reason we're not in a recession now is because consumer spending has been taking all the hits; but eventually it will give out.




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