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Systems with Intel integrated graphics still not ready

As notebook shipments have begun to significantly outpace the sales of desktop computers, each new notebook platform launched by Intel becomes more important to the company. This Monday July 14 marks the launch of Intel’s Centrino 2 platform, previously known by the code-name Montevina. The launch comes weeks after Intel had planned due to a problem with Intel’s own integrated graphics for the platform.

In fact, the Centrino 2 notebooks running Intel’s own integrated graphics will not be available on Monday. Only Centrino 2 systems running discrete graphics from NVIDIA or ATI will be available on Monday.

According to eWeek, the Centrino 2 platform is aimed at enterprise users, but it will find its way into consumer focused notebooks as well. The Centrino 2 platform will be the first mobile platform to take advantage of Intel’s new 45nm Penryn CPUs with clock speeds running from 2.4GHz to 2.8GHz.

Also supported by the Centrino 2 platform is DDR3 RAM along with 802.11n and WiMAX. The move from the 65nm CPUs used in previous mobile platforms to 45nm parts in the Centrino 2 platform should lead to increased battery life and lower heat output -- both very important to notebook users. The first 45-nm processors in the Centrino 2 platform will be dual-core parts, but quad-core CPUs will be available for the platform later.

Intel revealed in a blog post that the Centrino 2 platform processors will run at 25 watts whereas the older processors ran at 35 watts.

DailyTech first reported the Centrino 2 platform roadmap in February and the first delay of the platform launch was covered in May.

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By sixth on 7/10/2008 2:03:30 PM , Rating: 3
What the heck is Intel doing? They are having that many problems with simple intergrated graphics!? The X4500 isnt that advanced of a chip..what the heck can be the hold up??

RE: x4500
By jbzx86 on 7/10/2008 2:19:03 PM , Rating: 2
That doesn't bode well for Intel's Larabee. If they can't their integrated graphics to work, what does it say for their discrete efforts?

RE: x4500
By mrdelldude on 7/10/2008 3:41:31 PM , Rating: 5
If they can't their integrated graphics to work, what does it say for their discrete efforts?

Seeing that it's a completely different platform, nothing would be my answer.

RE: x4500
By Amiga500 on 7/10/2008 4:21:43 PM , Rating: 2
Seeing that it's a completely different platform, nothing would be my answer.

Yeah... they should have perfected the Pentium MMX by now


RE: x4500
By kilkennycat on 7/10/2008 7:13:48 PM , Rating: 2
Larrabee is indeed Intel's latest attempt at perfecting MMX. See:-

RE: x4500
By sixth on 7/10/2008 3:42:09 PM , Rating: 2
exactly!...not very good if you ask me. they have had a LONG time to work on the x4500, plus they flaunted their discrete graphics a few months back, and they can barely get this to work, not a very good Centrino 2 launch if you ask me!!! SO basically its NOT TRUE centrino launch...nice one Intel...nice one.

RE: x4500
By murphyslabrat on 7/11/2008 2:14:39 PM , Rating: 4
Only Centrino 2 systems running discrete graphics from NVIDIA or ATI will be available on Monday.

I am not seeing a problem with this....Do you see any?

RE: x4500
By truthteller33 on 7/11/08, Rating: -1
By TETRONG on 7/10/2008 2:51:48 PM , Rating: 2
I was under the impression that the 45nm chips were already in notebooks like the MBP.

Side note: Anybody else find the pop up ads a little heavy-handed? Nearly every other word is highlighted-you close it, and it just pops right back up obscuring your view again. Also, lets make the red X a little easier to hit.

RE: 45?
By voodooboy on 7/10/2008 3:19:01 PM , Rating: 2
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RE: 45?
By diego10arg on 7/10/2008 5:37:28 PM , Rating: 2
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Sorry for the offtopic.

RE: 45?
By InternetGeek on 7/10/2008 7:14:25 PM , Rating: 2
Ah nice.

RE: 45?
By pauldovi on 7/10/2008 3:24:49 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah there are already 45nm chips available, in almost every single notebook model. But now they are part of the "platform". Great!

RE: 45?
By joex444 on 7/10/2008 6:58:47 PM , Rating: 2
There's lots of notebooks out running 8100 and 8300 chips. These are 2.1 and 2.4GHz 45nm chips.

Perhaps Centrino 2 introduces a new chipset, and the current 45nm notebooks are using some other chipset that just happens to support 45nm, even though it was not intended to do so.

RE: 45?
By ImSpartacus on 7/13/2008 10:16:53 AM , Rating: 2
The new quad cores and a few other updated processors are going to be centrino 2 only.

QX9300 is going to be interesting.

RE: 45?
By ImSpartacus on 7/13/2008 10:18:56 AM , Rating: 2
Just noticed this out of the article

Intel revealed in a blog post that the Centrino 2 platform processors will run at 25 watts whereas the older processors ran at 35 watts.

So I guess they are just new processors with upgrades at least in their TDP. I'm sure there will be other things too.

By Lonyo on 7/10/2008 2:15:33 PM , Rating: 3
Since Centrino platforms require a chipset+wireless+CPU, what are the details on the chipset?
Have they moved to 65nm chipsets for this platform or are they still on 90nm? I assume if it's P4x series based they have moved down to 65nm which might also help in terms of power.

RE: Chipset
By Staples on 7/10/08, Rating: 0
RE: Chipset
By Segerstein on 7/10/2008 3:37:11 PM , Rating: 3
No, it's Intel's processor, base chipset and WiFi.

RE: Chipset
By AmazighQ on 7/10/2008 3:51:43 PM , Rating: 2
you can assume if MS haven't shouted, written in huge letter anything about the chipset they will be using the 965 chipset.

RE: Chipset
By smilingcrow on 7/10/2008 6:16:55 PM , Rating: 2
The new platform increases the FSB from 800 to 1066 which means of course a new chipset or two.

Intel - India gives some clues
By crystal clear on 7/11/2008 7:29:30 AM , Rating: 2
The first 45-nm processors in the Centrino 2 platform will be dual-core parts, but quad-core CPUs will be available for the platform later.

Some updating to be done on this-

Australian PC maker Pioneer Computers is taking preorders for laptops based on an unreleased quad-core mobile processor from Intel, saying the chips are very close to being available.

Intel's 2.53GHz quad-core Core 2 Extreme QX9300 processor is advertised as a A$1,449 (US$1,390) upgrade to Pioneer Computers' DreamBook Style 9008 laptop. Reflecting the chip's expected position at the top end of Intel's mobile product line, the cost of the upgrade is more than the laptop's A$1,399 basic price.

The quad-core chip, which is not listed on Intel's most recent price list and will be the company's first quad-core mobile chip, packs 12M bytes of on-chip cache, according to Pioneer.

Laptops based on the quad-core laptop chip are not currently available, but can be shipped to customers within one to two weeks, a Pioneer sales representative said.

While Intel has yet to release the QX9300, the chip is listed on a product roadmap prepared by Intel India and available on the company's Web site

The QX9300 is the only quad-core laptop chip listed on the roadmap, which includes other unannounced chips, such as the 3.06GHz dual-core Core 2 Extreme X9100 laptop chip and 3GHz quad-core Core 2 Duo Q9650 desktop chip. The roadmap does not list dates for when these chips will be made available.

This isn't the first timethat Pioneer Computers has offered a peek at Intel's upcoming products. In April, the company leaked details of processors that are part of Intel's upcoming Centrino 2 chip package for laptops

By crystal clear on 7/11/2008 7:48:33 AM , Rating: 2
Some evidence to support the above comment-

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.26 GHz Processor P8400 64 bit 3M Cache 1066Mhz 45nm
Special Offer
in stock

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz Processor P8600 64 bit 3M Cache 1066Mhz 45nm [+$59]
in stock

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 GHz Processor P9500 64 bit 6M Cache 1066Mhz 45nm [+$199]

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.6 GHz Processor T9400 64 bit 6M Cache 1066Mhz 45nm [+$149]

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.8 GHz Processor T9600 64 bit 6M Cache 1066Mhz 45nm [+$499]

Intel Core 2 Extreme 3.06 GHz Processor X9100 64 bit 6M Cache 1066Mhz 45nm [+$999]

Intel Core 2 Extreme 2.53 GHz Quad Core Processor QX9300 64 bit 12M Cache 1066Mhz 45nm [+$1,449]

By crystal clear on 7/15/2008 6:25:18 AM , Rating: 2
Fact Sheet-

Intel® Centrino® 2 Processor Technology and Intel® Centrino® 2 with vPro™ Technology

Also announcing a new Intel® Core™2 Extreme processor:

? Intel® Core™2 Extreme dual-core mobile processor X9100: the Intel® Core™2 Extreme dual-core mobile processor X9100, with both cores running at a brisk 3.06 GHz with a 1066 MHz FSB and 6MB L2 cache, also features mobile-specific power saving features, is the world’s highest performing mobile processor1, and addresses demand for even faster notebook PCs for hardcore gamers, artists and media enthusiasts.

Intel® Centrino® 2 Processor Technology Pricing Sheet

By oTAL on 7/10/2008 1:57:56 PM , Rating: 2
One of the other features of the Centrino 2 platform is vPro; details on exactly what this feature does are unknown ahead of the launch.

vPro is a set of hardware virtualization features. It's mostly useful for businesses.
You can easily find stuff on vPro throughout the web. Nevertheless I do not know what new things this iteration might bring.
Wikipedia as always can be a fast reference for the curious:

RE: vPro
By TomZ on 7/10/2008 3:01:36 PM , Rating: 2
vPro isn't for hardware virtualization. It is for enterprise (remote) management of computers.

vPro does, however, require a processor that supports virtualization, in order to support the management software to run a separate maintenance OS alongside the normal host OS.

By Doormat on 7/10/2008 4:51:56 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone have any idea? I just want my aluminum MacBook with the 25W CPU.

By secretanchitman on 7/10/2008 5:22:14 PM , Rating: 2
i agree. i want apple to announce/release their updated macbooks and especially macbook pros. i have been waiting for the montevina refresh of the macbook pro for a LONG time...

25W 2.4Ghz??
By RU482 on 7/10/2008 11:28:00 PM , Rating: 2
I am impressed that the T8300/9300 CPUs and above are only pulling 25W

RE: 25W 2.4Ghz??
By StevoLincolnite on 7/11/2008 12:47:25 AM , Rating: 2
Your not the only one, I thought they were exactly the same chips as the T8100's (Which I have) unless they have lowered the voltages or something to achieve that TDP.

The Major performance benefit that will come with the x4500 series though is the RAM the system supports, DDR3 is much more beneficial to the IGP's performance than DDR2, which is a good thing to see, but also means Intel doesn't have to make substantial changes to the x3100 architecture besides improving the lack-luster Vertex Shaders, and better TnL Support.

Intel "snowing" the press and reviewers?
By truthteller33 on 7/11/2008 8:53:06 AM , Rating: 1
90% of all notebooks use integrated graphics. Intel is only launching discrete graphics SKUs Monday. Why? Probably because they are hoping that reviewers and press write good things about them, and consumers see the glowing reviews. Then Intel can sell you the defective Intel integrated graphics versions to you and your friends and family.

RE: Intel "snowing" the press and reviewers?
By Freddo on 7/11/2008 1:55:33 PM , Rating: 2
I prefer those "defective Intel integrated graphics" versions over the alternatives. What I want is a relatively small (12-13") laptop to surf around with and good battery times.

Using a card from NVIDIA & ATI significantly lower the battery times.

And if I want to play some game for some reason on the comp, which isn't that likely, then there's nothing that stop me from playing old goldies like Deus Ex or Planescape: Torment.

So yeah, I look forward to the Centrino 2 platform with the X4500 graphics. I wonder when they will be out?

By truthteller33 on 7/11/2008 6:47:42 PM , Rating: 1
Actually, ATI and Nvidia chipsets are manufactured on leading edge, 65nm technology, where Intel chipsets use lagging technology based on 90nm. ATI and Nvidia chipsets typically use less power and have 2-3X the graphics capabilities. Intel needs to use the lagging technology to fill their old fabs that don't make CPUs anymore. That's why on all of the new Intel Atom desktop boards, the huge heat sink is on the chipset, not the CPU. By the way, on those "defective Intel integrated graphics" you "prefer", if you want to stream HD video, you are SOL.

By pauldovi on 7/10/2008 3:52:04 PM , Rating: 3
The new Thinkpads will launch. :)

New chassis's, LEDs, DDR3, WiMax, GPS, and ATI hybrid graphics.


By Rick36 on 7/10/2008 4:02:39 PM , Rating: 2
I guess this explains the delay in the release of Dell's new E-Latitudes. They can't just release the models with the discrete nVidia GPUs.

By Anonymous Freak on 7/11/2008 12:49:02 AM , Rating: 2
This refresh is about the chipset, not the CPU. Yes, the CPU for this rev has a different pin layout, and a faster front side bus; but the actual silicon chip is the same as has been available since January. (It was called "Santa Rosa refresh".)

So, the big deal here is that before (Santa Rosa,) the chipset was the old (by desktop standards,) 965 chipset. Now, they have skipped over the 35-series all the way to the brand new (even on the desktop,) 45-series chipsets. Only bus speed remains behind their desktop counterparts at this point. (And not by much, with the lower-end desktop parts still having a 1066 MHz bus.)

By IntelUser2000 on 7/11/2008 10:17:37 PM , Rating: 2
The 4 series chipsets are based on 65nm technology. Intel's chipsets lag CPU process tech generation by 1. This is why having the graphics on the CPU will be a big thing for Intel since it'll use the same bleeding edge process technology as the CPU.

By billtechman on 7/16/2008 11:15:24 AM , Rating: 2
Intel had a lot to say about their new Cetrino 2 (codenamed Montevina) during their most recent Quarterly Earnings Call yesterday. You can read the full transcript at Seeking Alpha here:

"We shipped it on Saturday. Then on Sunday, we rested." -- Steve Jobs on the iPad launch
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