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Today's massive EU fine against Intel may make Otellini feel differently

Analytics firms are still predicting a rough quarter for computer and chipmakers as sales are expected to decline even further. Despite the predictions of analysts, Intel still believes that the bottom of the market has been reached.

Intel CEO Paul Otellini talked to investors and analysts at yesterday about the state of Intel. Last month, Otellini boasted that he believed the bottom of the PC market had been reached, a fact disputed by many analysts. He now says that Intel's business for the first few months of 2009 has been better than expected.

Otellini said, "We are halfway through Q2. In terms of our order pattern and our billing pattern, it's a little better than expected." June is a key month for the quarter and according to Otellini business is described as "so far, so good."

IDC predicted that shipment volumes in the industry will be down 9 to 10% for the year, but Otellini says that he doesn't think things will be that bad for the industry.

He said, "I'm getting increasingly comfortable that the dip here is not as aggressive as they are showing."

Otellini said that about 45% of the 800 million computers globally are three or more years old. That fact suggests that there is a pent-up demand to refresh those machines according to Otellini and that demand will coincide with the release of Windows 7.

Intel sees the biggest growth opportunities in areas like netbooks, handheld devices, and consumer electronics each segment worth about $10 billion. Intel sees the most potential in mobile categories reports eWeek. He said, "Mobility is where we think most of the growth is."

Otellini's statements came before the EU levied a massive $1.45 billion fine against Intel for anticompetitive practices. Today, Intel and Otellini might feel differently about the outlook. The fine has to be paid immediately, though it will be held in an account until the appeals process is complete; something likely to last years.



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I agree with his optimism
By RamarC on 5/13/2009 11:56:16 AM , Rating: 5
Often we create the state we are in. If you think "things" are bad, you start acting like things are bad, and wind up making things bad.

When a mega-corporation like Intel starts acting like things are turning around, it can be the catalyst to kick other corps into an optimistic mode.




RE: I agree with his optimism
By Screwballl on 5/13/2009 12:12:14 PM , Rating: 3
that is exactly how I see it... we usually have all the talking heads on TV saying "THE SKY IS FALLING" which leads to the people listening to them which leads to less spending... and in this case recession.
Now I believe that it never was and is not as bad as they say it is... local unemployment is usually around 3% and currently at 7%, still a far stretch from the 10%+ of previous recessions.

Many times it takes a major corporation like this to spread this type of word around to end this "recession".


RE: I agree with his optimism
By web2dot0 on 5/15/2009 3:18:23 AM , Rating: 2
You're dead wrong Screwball. Just because local unemployment is around 3%, and currently at 7%, doesn't mean it's the same nation wide. It is these kinds of complacency that got us where we are now.

It's a global recession, not global depression buddy. So not everyone is on EI, that doesn't make it a great situation. If you are still not convinced, maybe you should own a car dealership now and see if you have the same opinion about how the economy is coming along. Some industries are affected more than others, and overall, it's not a great situation.


RE: I agree with his optimism
By Motoman on 5/13/2009 12:39:48 PM , Rating: 2
...the fundamental problem with your logic being that no corporation has any influence on "things." It's driven by consumer confidence, not corporate confidence. No one other than the consumers can have any effect on "things."


RE: I agree with his optimism
By RamarC on 5/13/2009 4:42:32 PM , Rating: 2
of course corporations have influence on "things".

if a leading corporation lays off 10,000 that is certainly a big influence. and often other corporations in that industry sector will likewise start scaling back. then the analysts will chime in and the corp's bond rating will change and the ripple effect could be far-reaching in the stock market.

if the corp decides to expand and add employees and manufacturing presence, that likewise influences "things." consider that if a new facility with a 1000 jobs is pending for a small city, it can totally change the housing market, the job market, the tax structure, and the retail health of the city.


RE: I agree with his optimism
By Motoman on 5/13/2009 10:29:47 PM , Rating: 3
Those "things" are reactions to, not causes of, changes in consumer confidence. A company doesn't lay off people unless sales are bad...in which case sales are already bad. Likewise, a company doesn't expand unless sales are really, really good - in which case, sales are already really, really good.

You're putting the cart before the horse. Corporate actions are reactionary. Period.


RE: I agree with his optimism
By RamarC on 5/14/2009 1:24:02 PM , Rating: 2
if corps were only reactionary then nothing new would ever happen. businesses try *new* endeavors all the time. there is no sales history for a new endeavor... just positive speculation that sales will occur.

and companies do layoff people when sales are good due to efficiencies or consolidation or restructuring or relocation. since intel is the subject, when intel retires a fab it often releases some of those employees. intel sales are still good, but that facility (and its employees) become obsolete and the local economy is affected accordingly.


RE: I agree with his optimism
By Motoman on 5/14/2009 2:23:54 PM , Rating: 2
I think you're spinning off-course. In relation to the issue of consumer confidence, which is really the issue here, companies are reactive.

A company can jump up and down all it wants to and scream "huzzah, the recession is over!", but if the consumers still aren't in fact ready to part with their dollars...well, you just have a bit of a loon jumping up and down screaming for no reason. Who might later be looking at layoffs...


RE: I agree with his optimism
By Viditor on 5/18/2009 9:28:46 PM , Rating: 2
I disagree...corporations are huge consumers of goods and services themselves, and they must plan for years in advance. They are hardly reactionary to current events across the board.
With Intel as an example, it takes 5 years to bring a chip to market, so the planning and design must happen well in advance of consumer sentiment. This means that spending happens well in advance as well, even if today's consumer is is the dumps.


RE: I agree with his optimism
By GWD5318 on 5/13/2009 12:44:53 PM , Rating: 3
I can almost here Eric Idle singing, "Alwaays look on the briiight side of life!"


RE: I agree with his optimism
By ThePooBurner on 5/13/2009 1:00:45 PM , Rating: 1
I agree as well. I've never thought it was very bad to start. I work in the construction industry, one of the hardest hit by this, and at the bottom of it: Baserock and demo recycling. While it was slow for a little while, it wasn't much more so than a usual winter season. We are into the heavier seasons and i have been seeing signs of pick up for the last 2 months. a steady increase in business. My estimation put the recovery at about 75% by the end of June, or July at the latest, with a cap of around 93% recovery on the whole (we won't get back up to where we were before) by October. It will float around there for a while before the debt from obama's spending kicks in and ruins things (for real) in about 2.5 years.

Personally i think most of this was staged as a way to get bama & friends into power and get pet projects and interests placed and funded where they never could have done before. The big layoffs from companies weren't due to the economy, but rather the companies used the ground work of crisis that was laid as an excuse to cut dead wood that they couldn't really justify cutting, even though they wanted to, while things were good. But the smoke screens and hype were working to well making it drag out more than they wanted, and so now those who know it was fake are working on bringing the public at large out of the fog their minds have been laden with.


RE: I agree with his optimism
By skaaman on 5/14/2009 9:39:52 AM , Rating: 2
Well that's about the silliest point of view I've seen in a long time. Too illustrate my point, answer this question?

Exactly WHO do I consult to sew the seeds of a global economic recession? Who are the "they"? If so, were the republicans that clueless not shed light on this mass conspiracy? Give me a break...

I glad your business is doing well. Just like the stock market, people make money in an up economy and a down economy. Unfortunately, in down economies consumer buy less and businesses have to pull back and reduce to survive. Sooner or later people need stuff they have been putting off buying and the cycle begins again.


RE: I agree with his optimism
By ThePooBurner on 5/15/2009 1:02:52 PM , Rating: 2
The seeds were sewn long ago, starting with the Clinton administration. Who are they and when do they do it? the national summits in Switzerland would be a great place for the leaders of the world, behind closed doors, to work out their plans, as a possibility. Those at the top don't like those at the bottom getting higher than they like, so they do what they can to stem to tide every now and then.

I'm aware of how consumers work in a recession. For instance we are taking in plenty of dumps, but our baserock sales are down. Why? people aren't doing complete tear outs. Rather than take out the old base and put in new, they are re-using the old. But, like you say people start to do more as they need it and spend more and that's what pulls us out. That is the activity that i am seeing, not only in my division, but in the other division of the company as well (concrete, asphalt, natural stone, etc.). A lot of this is home improvement stuff. Most people don't spend money on their house when times are hard. So as i see it pick up it means that times are becoming less hard for more and more people. Ergo, like the article is stating we are pulling out of it and recovering. The downturn started with the US, so he recovery will begin here as well.


RE: I agree with his optimism
By Viditor on 5/18/2009 9:51:17 PM , Rating: 2
"The seeds were sewn long ago, starting with the Clinton administration"

Actually, starting with the Reagan administration and the beginning of the trickle-down economics theory.

"Those at the top don't like those at the bottom getting higher than they like, so they do what they can to stem to tide every now and then"

I think you'll find that the "ones at the top" were hurt as bad or worse than the rest in this recession. Keep in mind that almost every single investment bank has gone under or been changed drastically, and the value of real estate has dropped like a stone.

Also, the vast majority of the uberwealthy have kept their money in stocks...look at their value now!


RE: I agree with his optimism
By ThePooBurner on 5/26/2009 5:11:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think you'll find that the "ones at the top" were hurt as bad or worse than the rest in this recession. Keep in mind that almost every single investment bank has gone under or been changed drastically, and the value of real estate has dropped like a stone . Also, the vast majority of the uberwealthy have kept their money in stocks...look at their value now!


Some logical deduction will go along way with understanding the big picture. The overall outlook in wealth gap has wided as a result of this. The little guys have become even poorer due to the hardships where as the rich are still rich. I have highlighted above the relevant lines. Most of the guys make their money in land holdings and stocks. What better way to get filthy rich than to cause a large economic downturn that destroys property values in the short term and lowers most stocks (the good ones) short term and then buy low and sell high in 3 years when everything is back up to where it was before the fall. Those with money right now are set up to get even more when things turn around so well it's not even funny. And thus they have not only stemmed the tide of the little guys rising, but they have thrust most back down while simultaneously pushing themselves higher from that which they have effectively stolen from the little guy (eg: here is your dream home for low low price. opps interest is higher now, we'll just rip that american dream away from you now. opps, the value of the house is lower now than when you bought it guess we'll buy it as an investment now. opps, looks who's rich now at your expense.). Look at the bigger picture.


RE: I agree with his optimism
By web2dot0 on 5/15/2009 3:32:12 AM , Rating: 2
You seem to have the mentality that if it doesn't affect me, than it's not an issue. It's great to hear that you weren't affected as badly as it could of ... but to say that the whole financial meltdown is an illusion is completely FALSE.

Globally, the world LOST $5trillion dollars right now. You can argue whether how much of it is real money (actually have asset tied about it), but that's the bottom line.
Those are the facts.

Maybe you think Obama lots that money for us?
Maybe Obama caused the Auto Industry to go bankrupt? Are you one of those people?
That's right, he's some magician that created this whole mess in the last 100days.

Or MAYBE it's the Republican's failed policies?

You really should think less, and read more. That'll help you get your head out of the sand and see/hear what's happening around the world and not just what's happening in your immediate vicinity.

Maybe you should move to Michigan where unemployment is at 13%, or to California where it was about to declare the state bankrupcy recently. Or maybe Florida where there are more foreclosed homes than the population ....


RE: I agree with his optimism
By ThePooBurner on 5/15/2009 1:16:45 PM , Rating: 2
Oh i didn't say it was all an illusion. Just the perceived seriousness. Which is to say if its being made out by the media as a 9 out of 10 we are probably more like a 7. maybe 7.5. And i would argue the real money thing. I would also argue bad "lost" revenue estimation, such as the numbers that are spouted about money lost to piracy.

I don't think Obama did it in the last 100 days. And i would assume he was alone in it. However he has far to many connections to the cause of the housing mess than can be ignored. He and his friends fannie and freddy instituted policies that caused it and he lead the charge in suing banks that refused to give out the junk loans.

Don't assume i don't know about the bigger picture. Also, i live in california. I am well aware of the poor financial practices of the state government.


RE: I agree with his optimism
By AnnihilatorX on 5/13/2009 2:53:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Often we create the state we are in. If you think "things" are bad, you start acting like things are bad, and wind up making things bad.


That is the "nocebo" effect, the opposite of placebo effect. In medical terms:

quote:
The placebo effect has an evil twin: the nocebo effect, in which dummy pills and negative expectations can produce harmful effects.


Source: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227081.100...


He needs to get out more
By CardPuncher on 5/13/2009 12:56:05 PM , Rating: 4
Paul needs to venture outside of his estate in Woodside California where the poor ones are the millionaires. He needs to drive down to the San Joaquin Valley were unemployment is 17 percent (without farm labor included). He needs to get his mind out of facebook and twitter and read the papers. The state of California is hopelessly in dept. If only they could print currency like the US government.

GM & Chrysler, they are just the epilogue of our financial saga. The cannery in the mine died a long time ago when we started to offshore all of our manufacturing jobs.




RE: He needs to get out more
By RagingDragon on 5/13/2009 9:29:04 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, but the outsourcing of manufacturing may not affect Intel. Intel sell CPU's worldwide, so the outsourcing just moves Intel sales from the US to China, India, etc. without necessarily reducing them.


RE: He needs to get out more
By birdshot80 on 5/14/2009 1:48:15 PM , Rating: 2
I think that California would be in financial trouble regardless of the current economic slowdown. Their excessive spending and continuous catering to illegal immigrants are largely to blame for that debt. I'm sure that the housing market collapse hurt them more than most other states but that again is partly their own fault for over inflating the perceived value of it's real estate.


By amanojaku on 5/13/2009 11:57:58 AM , Rating: 3
Intel won't be going anywhere anytime soon. It will certainly become a leaner, perhaps more efficient, company. The same is happening to AMD at a more advanced rate. Both companies are making fine products at relatively decent prices for both the consumer and enterprise space. Cue the haters.




By lecanard on 5/14/2009 3:29:11 AM , Rating: 2
Intel already became much leaner and more efficient a couple of years ago after Otellini became CEO because he saw how bloated Intel had become. With that done already, it doesn't have to slim down now like everyone else.


Done on purpose
By Dorkyman on 5/13/09, Rating: 0
RE: Done on purpose
By JKflipflop98 on 5/13/2009 8:38:51 PM , Rating: 3
Geez people are so f'n stupid.
Look, the supreme court isn't going to do anything to fight the rest of the government. . . they're on the same team.

The Democrats aren't going to save you from the Republicans. . . they're on the same team.

The senate isn't going to do anything to stop Barak and vica-versa. . . they're on the same team.

This whole 2-headed system is setup to make you feel like maybe there's hope. Without it, people would get fed up with the system taking your money and your rights. But no one really cares because maybe the "other half" of the equation may do something about it. Well, there is no other side of the coin. They're both the same side.

No wonder politicians always refer to the people as "sheep" behind closed doors.


Self Fulfilling Prophecies
By Bateluer on 5/13/2009 12:05:16 PM , Rating: 2
We believe it will happen, and take steps to make it happen.




No shortage of fools here
By crystal clear on 5/14/2009 8:03:39 AM , Rating: 2
Evidence of how stupid & ignorant SOME D.T. readers are, who consisitantly vote me down- not that I care....

I posted this news item even before D.T. published this article & just see it voted down.

RE: Marketshare vs Profitshare
By crystal clear on 5/13/09, Rating: 1
By crystal clear on 5/13/2009 8:13:14 AM , Rating: 1

Intel sees order and margin improvement, shares up

Paul Otellini told investors second-quarter sales depend on how they fare in June but "so far, so good" -- in remarks that sent Intel's shares up as much as 4 percent in extended trading.

"We are halfway through Q2," he said. "In terms of our order pattern and our billing pattern, it's a little better than expected."




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