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Will Pentium replace Celeron as low-end name?

Intel's Pentium line of processors has been around over a decade now. The Pentium processor was the high-end of Intel's line of processors for notebooks and desktops earlier in its life. Today the Pentium line is placed between the high-end Core series and the low-end Celeron parts. Intel, however, is aiming a new processor for its Pentium line at the server market.
The new processor is the Pentium 350 and is aimed at low-end servers. The dual-core Pentium 350 runs at 1.2GHz, features 3MB cache, and has a low power draw of 15W. The processor is a bare bones part with no integrated graphics. Intel is targeting the chip at microservers rather than high-end servers where performance is key. That market is served by other parts in the Xeon line. 
TechWorld reports that a new line of Xeon X3 servers are also supposed to come to market soon that are based on the Atom processors for micro servers. Analyst Dean McCarron for Mercury Research says that the Pentium 350 might also find its way into servers for specific tasks like printing or document sharing. 
He said, "What we're seeing is a repurposed part."
TechWorld seems to think that the part might be a sign that the Celeron line will be replaced by the Pentium name. 

Source: TechWorld

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Seems Foolish
By deltaend on 11/26/2011 11:15:11 PM , Rating: 1
I understand micro-servers (Intel Atom based) but I don't understand why you would ever want to have a server Pentium or Celeron based. There are so many better chipsets to choose from that would be faster and around the same price such as an older Core2 or first generation i3.

I applaud them getting rid of Celeron since its primary connotation is with slow CPU speed and Pentium is a far more recognized name. What I don't get is why you would ever, ever, ever build/buy a server with a Pentium chip in it when you could have a faster chip for the same price point. Better to re-purpose the old Core2 series as the new micro-server chips.

RE: Seems Foolish
By MikeMurphy on 11/27/2011 5:40:35 AM , Rating: 2
...because they stopped making socket 775 boards a long time ago

RE: Seems Foolish
By B-Unit on 11/27/2011 2:08:38 PM , Rating: 2

This isn't an updated Pentium design, they're just recycling the name. The chip iself is at least Core2, probably more like i3.

RE: Seems Foolish
By Penti on 11/27/2011 5:07:02 PM , Rating: 3
Totally retarded thread to post in but, Pentium 350 is clearly a Sandybridge based chip With no integrated graphics, no virtual-io/VT-d and no AES-NI. A ordinary LGA1155 chip otherwise. I could see it in homeservers, NAS-products or whatever. The latest Pentium-based product is actually Larrabee/MIC although heavily modified and I don't know how some can post here and not realize that Celeron and since Pentium 4/Netburst which had nothing to do with the pentium architecture the Pentium name has always just been renamed stuff and will continue to be.

RE: Seems Foolish
By nocturne_81 on 11/28/2011 3:34:24 AM , Rating: 2
ARM servers aside.. I don't see the point with the popularity of virtualization nowadays.. One well powered 3U server could probably create 16 equally performing VPS's, I'd imagine at a much lower power stake, space usage, and overall price.

RE: Seems Foolish
By alpha754293 on 11/28/2011 2:04:27 PM , Rating: 2
The thing is though - a 3U system can consume around 400-500 W of power. Even with 95 W TDP processors, whereas a dual-core, 15W processor would put it at 7.5 W/core vs. 15.83 W/core. So already, it would be twice as efficient.

And for a lot of "front-line", customer service reps (like bank tellers), they really don't need super powerful systems, but they do need the bandwidth (memory and network) for their secure bank teller application; all in the size of of a 10-25-disc CD case.

And you can package such systems in a much denser configuration using the same 3U volume.

1.2Ghz server chip ?.
By fteoath64 on 11/26/2011 8:09:39 AM , Rating: 1
Looks like 5 years old technology except for the power consumption. At 15w per chip, it is low by Intel standards, but compared to 5w for an equivalent ARM based server ship, there is no comparison. Until someone says x86 compatibility, then sure, near Atom range with a little more grunt could be useful (just for a while).

RE: 1.2Ghz server chip ?.
By Gondor on 11/27/2011 11:02:50 AM , Rating: 2
I find it interesting that they opted to go with the Pentium moniker. The last 15W chips Intel has produced for desktop machines were the old Pentiums :) Back it 15W seemed like a HUGE amount ...

Just to think you can now get a dual core chip that is faster per clock and runs at much higher frequency to boot. Hopefully with Haswell and 22 nm & FinFETs they can bring quad core performance similar to C2 Q6600 down to dozen or so Watts range.

RE: 1.2Ghz server chip ?.
By Calin on 11/28/2011 2:53:51 AM , Rating: 2
I remember someone commenting about the first Pentium processors (60 and 66 MHz):
"Off course they run very hot, but at least you could iron your shirt with one of them"

(it happened so very, very long time ago... I remember seeing 486DX processors in ceramic jacket running without a heat sink. They were very hot to the touch)

RE: 1.2Ghz server chip ?.
By Hector2 on 11/27/2011 11:46:56 AM , Rating: 2
This Pentium can only be a stopgap until the 22nm Atom comes out that they really want to use in this market. They did exactly the same thing when the first Pentium-II Celeron came out years ago. If this Pentium is 15W, what would you expect a 22nm Atom to be ?

Besides, the CPU is just a part of the Server's total power. A lot of it is in the memory chips.

Seems like a good move to me on Intel's part.

RE: 1.2Ghz server chip ?.
By Penti on 11/27/2011 5:13:51 PM , Rating: 2
It's a good fit to replace Atom in some server/appliance applications like NAS-boxes, home-server appliances, maybe routers. SNB is quite powerful even at 1.2GHz Dual-core. There is plenty of marketplace for it. LGA1155 boards also handles up to 32GB of ram, something Atom doesn't.

RE: 1.2Ghz server chip ?.
By alpha754293 on 11/28/2011 2:14:57 PM , Rating: 2
The most efficient supercomputing processor is the PowerPC A2 that's used in the BlueGene/Q now. I THINK that they're still supposed to be 25 W processors, passively cooled (there are fans on the cabinet that cool them), so if you have a MPP program; having a lot of low-powered processors can still pack quite a punch.

Phasing out Celeron?
By Nehanarac on 11/25/2011 5:48:24 PM , Rating: 2
TechWorld seems to think that the part might be a sign that the Celeron line will be replaced by the Pentium name.

I hope so. I've always hated that word. Makes me think of celery. Good veggie, bad chip name.

RE: Phasing out Celeron?
By Joz on 11/26/2011 1:55:26 AM , Rating: 2
Celery is not worth eating.

Carrots are.
And steamed, buttered, broccoli!

RE: Phasing out Celeron?
By Russell on 11/26/2011 4:16:55 PM , Rating: 2
Lots of fiber in celery.

It actually burns more calories to digest than you take from it!

RE: Phasing out Celeron?
By acsa77 on 11/26/11, Rating: 0
RE: Phasing out Celeron?
By Operandi on 11/28/2011 2:29:15 AM , Rating: 2
It can happen? Are you sure?, because I had always thought that it couldn't.

Perhaps I need to revaluate this situation?

RE: Phasing out Celeron?
By augiem on 11/26/2011 10:54:17 PM , Rating: 2
It is I, Captain Vegetable With my carrot, and my celery! Eating crunchy vegetables is good for me. And they're good for you, so eat them too for teeth so strong, your whole life long eat celery and carrots by the bunch! Three cheers for me, Captain Vegetable... Crunch, crunch, crunch!

And so?
By YashBudini on 11/26/2011 1:35:19 AM , Rating: 3
What's the name of the socket-du-jour?

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