quote: Seems like the strategy of Intel paid off, when showing the performance early on. Conroe is creating quite a buzz over the internet right now
quote: and all the skepticism has about faded way. Which is a good thing btw :)
quote: It didn't take retail chips for people to know that AM2 wasn't going to perform great straight off the bat
quote: As for your "facts" comment, are you trying to tell me all the benchmarkers thus far are in the pockets of Intel? Why do they lack credibility? Fact is Conroe is simply a great chip
quote: People didn't "know" anything about AM2, they guessed it.
quote: Even AMD said themselves before release that people shouldn't expect miracles from AM2 at release
quote: I'll agree that the chips improved to the point where there was a couple of degrees of improvement (disregarding the Semprons of course), but nothing to jump up and down about. And definitely nothing that would say the early previews/benchmarks were misleading
quote: You know full well that Anand had updated reviews as new ES chips became available to them
quote: When all is said and done, I just hope we'll see some good competition between Intel and AMD on the desktop
quote: I'm sure it's not lost on Intel that the expectations game is always a double-edged sword. It seems unlikely to me that they'd choose to play the expectations game if there was a considerable chance they wouldn't win it
quote: I just want to say this again:
The current production samples are actually perfect indicators of how Conroe is going to perform.
quote: Fact is, that X6800 samples are floating around already, and can do 4ghz on air.
quote: I think people really should take a close look at clock speeds and chip costs. Because, clock for clock... the core processor scales far better than the AMD 64 x2 chip. I mean, the core 2 duo CPU really doesnt start to shine until you pass 4ghz.
quote: So I say this... to people who dont want to look at pre-production benchmarks... no issue, just look at the Yonah Core Duo benchmarks. That is only with 2MB L2 cache.
quote: There is so much information avalible out there, i dont know how there can still be so much confusion.
quote: There are? The one link I saw used phase change cooling, and was not stable at 4GHz.
quote: Because its not the same core? Because Yonah is a P3 derivitive with nothing to do with Conroe?
quote: Again, I'm pretty sure you're confusing things here? Have you actually seen benchmarks for a >4GHz Core2? I kind of doubt they exist. Just looking at this roadmap, I'm not seeing the 3.33GHz Conroe part Intel talked about for months. If 4+GHz was so easy, why are they lowering the clock speed on launch parts?
quote: There is a lot info out there, and I think you should spend some time reading about it! Start with the difference between Conroe and Yonah.
quote: double *sigh* Yonah has everything to do with Conroe. Are you going to tell me that Merom has nothing to do with Conroe either? They are all variants of the core architecture. Intel is working hard to lower their cost. By creating a unified processor, to serve all segments (mobile, desktop, server) IE: Yonah/Merom, Conroe, Woodcrest it makes it much cheaper to produce processors. While I am not familar with the exact manufacturing differences between a Conroe E6300 and a Yonah T2400, they both share pretty much the same core, while the Yonah is optimized to use less power. Hence, why Yonah benchmarks are so important to reconize the power of Conroe.
quote: As I said above, the Yonah and Conroe processors both share the same core architecture.
quote: double *sigh* Yonah has everything to do with Conroe. Are you going to tell me that Merom has nothing to do with Conroe either? They are all variants of the core architecture.
quote: The slowest Conroe E6300 will cost $183 on the 23rd July, while the Pentium D 940 will cost the same on that day.
Interesting to see which of these same- priced processors will be faster... I reckon the older chip will win
HOPEFULLY I'M WRONG!
quote: benchmarks show that the 1.86GHz Core 2 Duo is only 10% slower in average than FX-60 at stock
quote: Huh? What benchmarks? Has there been an actual review out?
quote: If it turns out that they've been lying or cheating somehow with the Conroe preview chips, the backlash will come hard and fast
quote: If Intel gives somebody a preview chip to benchmark, and that chip performs very well, then that's proof that Intel has the capability to produce chips capable of such performance
quote: So say that some super-genius Intel engineer says "Hey guys! Here's something we can do to speed up the pre-production samples of Conroe!" And they put this improvement into the pre-production samples. What possible reason could they have for not carrying over the same improvement into the production versions?
quote: Processor cores are monolithic and created "all at once." You can't swap out the engine in a processor... nor the tires, nor the suspension, nor the exhaust. You can't even polish the intake manifold for an extra 3 horsepower
quote: The Extreme Edition of the Conroe processor will operate at 3.33GHz, sport 1333MHz processor system bus and 4MB cache. Thermal envelope of the part should be 95W.
quote: But it very nice that Intel made the Conroe compatible with existing chipsets - very smart move.
quote: Also, what does the X on the front of X6800 designate - does it mean a higher TDP than the other E6x00 chips?
quote: Sure why not? Clock for clock, dollar for dollar, and watt for watt --- hmmmm, yep tough choice -
quote: woodcrest 2.93/1333 is cheaper than the conroe 2.93/1066 xe?
quote: The woodcrest 1333 chipset is not truely 1333. it's a dual 667. the 2 cpu's, which is what woodcrest is meant for, will both have their own 667 bus, so no sharing, but not high speed either. it's that way for reliability
quote: I suspect that Intel will have released Core 2 Solo for desktop by Q107, which is why Core 2 will compromise 35% of shipments by then