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About 1M Blackberry users in India could lose service  (Source: RIM)
India may expect Google and Skype to hand over communications

RIM has found itself in hot water in a few countries in the Middle East, such as the UAE, because Blackberry servers allow messages to be sent between users around the world in an encrypted state means that governments can't access. Authorities in India have started clamping down on companies that enable communication online and through other methods that can't be traced reports Reuters. The firms that are being caught in the latest skirmish include Google and Skype.

The move by the Indian government could set a precedent that would have very wide reaching implications around the world. The Indian government wants the ability to track and read messages sent via Blackberry devices and other internet-based communications services. RIM maintains that it has no way to provide India or other nations with the data sent using its encrypted services. RIM has denied reports that it made special concession to other governments to keep its services in operation and assured India that it would cooperate.

RIM has begun giving the Indian government access to some secure data this week and the cooperation has so far kept Blackberry services within the country from being terminated. If Blackberry services were terminated in India about a million users would be left without service.

Consultant firm KPMG director Romal Shetty said, "There could be various ramifications for this. If this happens, every other country may want a similar thing and then the whole issue of efficiency and management of the services and data will become difficult."

India's Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram said in a statement, "Discussions for technical solutions for further access are continuing and the matter will be reviewed within 60 days."



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How about...
By Motoman on 9/1/2010 10:48:14 AM , Rating: 3
...companies start valuing the basic rights (like privacy) of their consumers?

If India and other countries demand that a company let them spy on their citizens, then don't do business there in protest of said human rights violation.

Sure, the shareholders will get mad etc. etc. However, it would certainly be nice to see a company hold it's own scruples to be more important than revenue.

Besides, corporations colluding with governments to abuse the rights of their citizens seems rather fascist, does it not?




RE: How about...
By Connoisseur on 9/1/2010 10:59:01 AM , Rating: 2
Scruples go out the door when you have shareholders...


RE: How about...
By quiksilvr on 9/1/2010 11:34:57 AM , Rating: 2
Especially when you are losing your market share in the US. The last thing you want is to lose your international market as well.


RE: How about...
By superPC on 9/1/2010 11:04:16 AM , Rating: 2
Although I wholeheartedly agree with you (in principal), i've given up on my online privacy since the last decade. in my mind any form of communication nowadays is like talking in a noisy restaurant. you have some measure of privacy but if there's someone really intent on eavesdropping there's really no stopping them. if you really want privacy, use coded messages and your own personal cypher. it may seems paranoid but that's the way you can ensure true privacy.


RE: How about...
By Lerianis on 9/2/2010 4:47:55 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't.... I use proxies and other things to keep my privacy as much as I can.


RE: How about...
By LyricalGenius on 9/1/2010 2:00:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If the U.S. and other countries demand that a company let them spy on their citizens, then don't do business there in protest of said human rights violation.


There....FIXED....err...wait....


RE: How about...
By drycrust3 on 9/1/2010 3:55:41 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
companies start valuing the basic rights (like privacy) of their consumers


Unfortunately, there are people in this world who don't like the idea of people other than themselves having rights and freedoms, and unfortunately, often these people aren't poor, aren't uneducated, and aren't living so far away from civilisation as to be irrelevant.
The rights and freedoms that you and I and the rest of the world enjoy and have are because people died for us to have them, and the rights and freedoms are kept at the cost that governments intrude on the rights of those they have decided don't like us having rights and freedoms.
The Indian Government has decided it cannot maintain the rights and freedoms its citizens enjoy without having the ability to understand all communications within it's national borders. Whether you or I like that idea or not is irrelevant to them, they will point to the fact that Google and many other encrypting type services have servers in the USA, and that the US Government has the right to get plain text copies (or plain voice recordings) that comes from or goes through those servers to their "people of interest", so why can't they (the Indian Government) do the same?
Sure, the standards the Indian Government will use to decide who a "person of interest" is will be different from what the US Government has set (but probably not that much different from their perspective) and what the standards used to authorise monitoring of those people will be different from what the US Government uses, but is that wrong?
No, our "rights" are decided by the government of the country we are in, and all good governments maintain the right to ensure the rights they have given their citizens are maintained.


RE: How about...
By LyricalGenius on 9/1/2010 4:10:21 PM , Rating: 2
You've hit the nail on the head. And let's not forget the main reason that India wants these plaintext messages; Blackberries (and other similar electronic devices) have been used in the past to plot major terror attacks on Indian soil! Here's an example (CTRL + F 'Blackberry')

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20100820/ldh1.htm

Therefore, for the sake of protecting its citizens, the Indian government has EVERY RIGHT to ask for this. So does every government in the world. In fact, I'm surprised it has taken this long for them to 'wake up'!


RE: How about...
By Howard on 9/1/2010 7:28:59 PM , Rating: 2
I see you do not agree with the tenets of Mr. Franklin's teachings.


RE: How about...
By Lerianis on 9/2/2010 4:40:09 PM , Rating: 2
No, they don't have the right. They are also going around the wrong way to 'protect' their people from terrorist attacks as well.

The best way to prevent terrorists attacks is to PREVENT THE TERRORISTS FROM GETTING INTO THE COUNTRY and SHUTTING DOWN THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT CHURN OUT THESE TERRORISTS.

Unfortunately, that would mean all religion? GONE F O R E V E R!


courtesy please
By GruntboyX on 9/1/2010 11:50:38 AM , Rating: 2
If your going to simply rehash a report by another news agency. I would be professional enough to give a link to the original article. This article makes Daily Tech no better than a amateur word press blog.

This is simply riding on the back of other content providers. Which if you follow the **AA logic, is stealing.

I am having nightmares of my sophomore English teacher patting me on the back now.....




RE: courtesy please
By GruntboyX on 9/1/2010 11:55:20 AM , Rating: 3
oh never mind...I am a dork... didnt see the link... MY apologies!!!


Greed
By saganhill on 9/1/2010 2:51:26 PM , Rating: 2
What companies will sell out to in the name of greed. Hey, lets give up our liberties so that all dictators and despots can access our private communications.




RE: Greed
By Spinne on 9/2/2010 3:17:46 AM , Rating: 3
Who said anything about dictators and despots? This is a simple matter of being able to intercept communications between terrorists and their controllers during a crisis. In the case of the 2008 Mumbai attacks, it would have saved quite a few lives had the authorities been able to intercept and perhaps even block communications used to advise the terrorists holed up in the Taj Hotel on what the authorities were planning outside the hotel (which was being broadcast on the international news).
In particular, it would probably have saved these two lives -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandeep_Unnikrishnan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havaldar_Gajender_Sin...

Please stop prattling on about imaginary dictators and despots in a country that you've never been to and don't know much about.


Precedent?
By micksh on 9/1/2010 12:42:38 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The move by the Indian government could set a precedent that would have very wide reaching implications around the world.

RIM has been decrypting its messages for other governments for years

http://blogs.forbes.com/firewall/2010/08/02/rim-he...




VPN it
By leexgx on 9/1/2010 11:45:25 AM , Rating: 2
guess VPN would be the only way around it, to restore Blackberry services

Email on the other hand maybe harder they would most likely have to move there mail hosting provider out side of india so the blackberry server can still connect to it




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