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Microsoft's Argo and the master plan behind the portable media player -- and possible gaming unit

Engadget has posted a picture of what looks to be Microsoft's much talked about iPod competitor. The site claims that they were sent the image from an insider working on the project -- if true, they'll likely be looking for a new job if J. Allard gets wind of this. According to a recent article from The Seattle Times, the internal codename for the new portable media player (PMP) is Argo; Microsoft's homage to Greek mythology.

While most people have been talking up the audio and video capabilities of the player, Brier Dudley of The Seattle Times points out that Argo could possibly double as a portable gaming unit similar in spirit to the PlayStation Portable and Nintendo DS. The scarcity of front-side buttons plays against this idea, but anything is possible. Dudley also points out that Argo could serve as a showcase for Microsoft's XNA toolkit. From The Seattle Times:

Argo could help the December quarter and give executives something to discuss with analysts other than product delays, Bill Gates' departure and the high cost of doing battle with Google. I had thought Microsoft would put its holiday marketing effort behind Urge, a music service it developed with MTV and bundled into Windows Vista's new media-player software. It's helping device makers produce players that show off Urge and the software. Now, those efforts are in parallel with Argo.

Microsoft's Argo looks to be reasonably stylish, which is a key factor in taking on the Apple iPod. Although this is just a mockup and design details are likely not yet finalized, it looks to be a step in the right direction.



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Nope
By Josh7289 on 7/10/06, Rating: 0
RE: Yep
By vijay333 on 7/10/2006 6:02:55 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, this design is much more appealing to me than that of the ipod. The white color scheme of the latter has gotten very tiresome and its good to have a few shades of gray. Not usually a MS fan, but this player (if it really is theirs) looks very good...


RE: Nope
By Jiggs1337 on 7/10/2006 6:04:19 PM , Rating: 2
I like the design. A LOT. I love the big space usage for the screen and the small space the buttons occupy. I'd buy that, and its most likely not even the final design. I prefer it to the iPod video by far. very much so


RE: Nope
By bunnyfubbles on 7/10/2006 6:08:49 PM , Rating: 1
yeah, its obvious this design is arguably even more simplified than the iPod. Good argument, I hope you were being sarcastic (if you were, you weren't very good at it)


RE: Nope
By Josh7289 on 7/10/2006 6:13:02 PM , Rating: 2
What are you talking about? This Microsoft player is ugly. I'm not being sarcastic. How can you like something like this? It's much too utilitarian, or simply too plain. It doesn't "jump out" when looked at.

Oh, and about the game thing, I don't believe it at all. There are simply not enough buttons, and holding it to play a game would be uncomfortable. Even if that is a touch screen, it would still be severely lacking compared to the Nintendo DS, not to mention the software lineup.


RE: Nope
By MrPieGuy on 7/10/2006 6:17:13 PM , Rating: 2
Ya I have to agree this thing is not simplisitc enough... a whole 2 buttons.


RE: Nope
By Jiggs1337 on 7/10/2006 6:21:54 PM , Rating: 2
lol, yes :). THATS sarcasm


RE: Nope
By Josh7289 on 7/10/2006 6:32:03 PM , Rating: 3
The iPod is more simplistic than the Argo, and this is not sarcasm. What's up with that stupid black line and silvery color of the system? It just looks "blah".


RE: Nope
By The Space Janitor on 7/10/2006 6:40:55 PM , Rating: 2
You think the iPod Mini looks better?


RE: Nope
By Josh7289 on 7/10/2006 6:47:32 PM , Rating: 3
I said nothing about the iPod mini. In fact, I don't like the design of the iPod mini. The iPod and especially the iPod nano, however, look excellent.


RE: Nope
By ktlewis02 on 7/10/2006 7:30:18 PM , Rating: 2
As an iPod with video owner I can honestly say I like that concept better. I am disappointed with my iPod for a few reasons:

1- Battery life
2- Screen size (too small for videos)
3- Scratches like mad (I use an agent18 case but I've seen iPods without a case... not pretty)


RE: Nope
By The Space Janitor on 7/10/2006 7:43:04 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly same boat as you. Except my battery life is still okay. But the software and firmware bugs make me want to tear my hair out sometimes.


RE: Nope
By IMPoor on 7/10/2006 7:48:44 PM , Rating: 2
I am down with this for sure. I have a ipod 30GB Video and it is still a kick as mp3 player but the screen size leaves much to be desired. I buy widescreen movies and when I convert them to my ipod it makes the screen even smaller. This thing look cool enough for me. I say more screen size and equal or better battery life and I am in. Hopefully they don't lock it down to one type of service like iTunes and apple. But even so I am looking for a new player on the market. Let see what they can do.

AS a side note: Did Microsoft run over your cat? Did they date you mom and then kick her to the curb? How come you hate them so. If you told everybody in this forum the screenshot was from and archos player they would all love it. But since it is a microsoft one 50% automatically hate it. Grow up. Your mom is stank anyway.


RE: Nope
By Josh7289 on 7/10/2006 9:17:44 PM , Rating: 3
Never did I say that I hated Microsoft. If that were so, why would I buy Windows XP? Just because I don't like one of their products and I don't think it will "kill" the iPod does not in any way mean I hate the company that created it.

You are the one that must grow up and stop calling others, basically, fanboys for whatever problems you may have.


RE: Nope
By tdawg on 7/10/2006 8:11:15 PM , Rating: 4
The real key to competing with the iPod is usability. Sure form (aka style) certainly helps, but form alone will go nowhere. It needs to be easily usable to anybody that picks it up. The intuitiveness of an iPod is what makes it successful, not the simple style. If the iPod had been released with the looks it has, but a poorly designed user interface and general ease of usability, it would have fallen flat.

That's what all the new players seem to miss. Sure other devices may have more functions, but if they can't be used intuitively, what's the point. There's an entire field dedicated to usability and those companies that adhere more closely to its principles when creating their products will tend to find more success.

I'm sick of everybody saying that iPod owners own iPods simply because they are "pretty". The bottom line is that the iPod is the most user friendly PMP to hit the market and no company has come up with a stronger, more intuitive design.


RE: Nope
By Josh7289 on 7/10/2006 9:20:22 PM , Rating: 2
True, but intuitiveness is not the only factor. If the iPod was as ugly as some of the other players, even if it had the same functionality, there would be no way it would sell as much as it did.

So, even if the Argo has the functionality and usability, its looks are enough to keep potential buyers with Apple and the iPod.


RE: Nope
By arod on 7/11/2006 1:05:28 AM , Rating: 2
go try the toshiba gigabeat S using microsofts portable media center ui. it is excellent and much better imo than the ipod ui. i would expect this to use the portable media center ui with maybe a few modifications.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-342899635...
(here is a video of said interface in action)


integrated with what software?
By dgingeri on 7/10/2006 6:25:12 PM , Rating: 2
I bought my ipod because of the pleasant integration to iTunes. Sure, iTunes has problems, probably more than MS's media player, but I can buy tunes online, or rip them from a CD I just bought, and then hook up the ipod and it's updated automatically. no issues. it works wonderfully. I don't see that happening from MS. I don't see that happening from anyone.

I don't really like the way the ipod looks, because it's surface just gets messed up within a couple weeks anyway. scratches and fingerprints are so obvious on it. I eventually covered it with a black cover to hide the scratches and fingerprints.

If MS can integrate it with a good app, keep it stable and secure, and make the cover more durable than Apple, then they'll have the ipod killer. The only ones who'd buy an ipod after that would be the ones who just hate MS for being MS. My thing is, I bet they would never think of many of those things and overinflate it with garbage, making it much less appealing than an ipod.




RE: integrated with what software?
By Josh7289 on 7/10/06, Rating: -1
RE: integrated with what software?
By The Space Janitor on 7/10/2006 6:43:12 PM , Rating: 2
They think of an MP3 player.

I really don't see how you could vehemently defend the iPod and oppose this product having seen a leaked concept photo of it, turned off. You're basing its market potential on the fact that you consider it worse looking than the iPod, though your opinion even here is currently outnumbered.


RE: integrated with what software?
By Josh7289 on 7/10/2006 6:49:20 PM , Rating: 2
Whether or not my opinion here is outnumbered is irrelevant. What matters is what the mainstream likes, and if up until this point, most companies have been trying to copy the iPod's design, then what makes you think that this design would be more successful than the iPod's? The Argo looks very generic.


RE: integrated with what software?
By The Space Janitor on 7/10/2006 7:03:46 PM , Rating: 2
Irrelevent? How so? Not as relevent as taking a broad poll of thousands, but still a polling of several individuals.
Again, in your outnumbered opinion, it looks generic.
And again, if looks alone determined a player's success, the iPod would surely not have been as successful. It also had an excellent (or at least easy) music transfer method, an appealling way to buy low-bitrate music off the internet, and a gigantic marketing campaign that no other company has yet to match. Remember, all those black coloured people jumping around with their white ipods on solid-colour backgrounds? How many iRiver ads do you recall seeing?

And this still has nothing to do with the actual functionality of the device, which you know nothing about. The only visible trait I see is a widescreen display, which makes it possible to watch an actual movie on the screen without cropping it or squinting.


RE: integrated with what software?
By The Space Janitor on 7/10/2006 7:05:59 PM , Rating: 2
Scratch last comment - I don't believe it's widescreen.


RE: integrated with what software?
By Jiggs1337 on 7/10/2006 7:25:29 PM , Rating: 1
why not?


By The Space Janitor on 7/10/2006 7:44:53 PM , Rating: 2
Because I just measured the aspect ratio :) It does look widescreen when you see it in portrait mode though.


RE: integrated with what software?
By Josh7289 on 7/10/2006 7:52:25 PM , Rating: 2
"And again, if looks alone determined a player's success, the iPod would surely not have been as successful. It also had an excellent (or at least easy) music transfer method, an appealling way to buy low-bitrate music off the internet, and a gigantic marketing campaign that no other company has yet to match. Remember, all those black coloured people jumping around with their white ipods on solid-colour backgrounds? How many iRiver ads do you recall seeing?"

Now, these things are all factors in the iPod's success, for sure, but you can't say that Microsoft will do the same, so as it stands right now, the Argo cannot kill the iPod.


RE: integrated with what software?
By MrPieGuy on 7/10/2006 9:42:01 PM , Rating: 2
So because you can't know what MS is doing you can't say they will kill the iPod? But by that logic you can't say they cannot kill the iPod... so in effect all you're saying is we need to wait and see what else MS does for the player?

With WMP11, likely a good marketing campaign (due to deep pockets) a sleek design everyone but you seems to like, there's nothing to say it cannot compete.


RE: integrated with what software?
By ajdavis on 7/10/2006 6:44:41 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft is integrating this player into the new Media Player. A big feature of the new Media Player will be the URGE music service. Check out the beta and see how far they've come.

As far as ease of use for transferring music, I don't think Media Player's ever been any harder than iTunes.


RE: integrated with what software?
By ksherman on 7/10/2006 6:46:53 PM , Rating: 2
I especially loved those old concept pictures f the PSP... a bunch of 100lbs Japs wearing them around their necks... the PSP is WAY to big to do something that quacky... maybe im just not one for wearing things around my neck


RE: integrated with what software?
By arod on 7/11/2006 1:09:08 AM , Rating: 2
WMP 11 beta is just as easy to use with the urge integration and can rip all your cd's and you have even more options to tip into.

I have had my toshiba gigabeat S and the one thing that has suprised me the most is how scratch resistant it is.... I had an ipod video before it and you cant even use the thing w/o a case because it scratches so easily but Ive had the gigabeat for 3 weeks now and I just keep it in my pocket w/o protectors for it at all and there are no scratches yet. VERY happy with that aspect of it so far.


PSP anyone?
By UsernameX on 7/10/2006 6:28:32 PM , Rating: 1
Honestly.... why not just purchase a PSP? The capabilities far exceed that of this "PMP."

Oh wait I think I answered my own question.

It's bigger.

It's more complex.

and

Battery life.

Ahh well... I would still like to hear from someone else




RE: PSP anyone?
By zombiexl on 7/10/2006 8:34:39 PM , Rating: 2
BY the looks of it the PSP screen is smaller and many people are sick of sony's proprietary media formats.

If this thing plays (or can be made to play) DivX files then it may be worth a look. Although my bet is that MS is going to make it MP3/WMA and WMV only.


RE: PSP anyone?
By Josh7289 on 7/10/2006 9:26:41 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with the rest of what you said, zombiexl, but just as a side note, I think the PSP's screen may be bigger than this players. Really, the PSP is a pretty large machine for a handheld, and its screen resolution of 480 x 272 is proof of that, but as you said, Sony's crap handling of all things multimedia has left the system basically useless for anything besides playing lackluster games.


RE: PSP anyone?
By ElFenix on 7/10/2006 10:42:33 PM , Rating: 3
if the PSP is smaller than this thing, then this thing is barely portable and is already a market failure. even a 3" screen is probably too big, considering the rest of the device.


and of course the new ipod will have the wheel be a graphic on a screen, so their 3" screen will be far more pocketable.


MP3????
By SnoMunke on 7/10/2006 9:22:43 PM , Rating: 1
MP3 player? Why don't they release a FLAC player...or a WMA Lossless Player...or hell, even a WAV player...

MP3 was great in the day when storage was limited. But in today's market with 60GB HDDs (such as the iPod), lossless format is the only way to go.




RE: MP3????
By iamright on 7/10/2006 9:25:54 PM , Rating: 2
What do I care about sound quality when I am getting big air pulling a 360 on my snowboard? I think the ipod nano is just fine, nice wide variety of cases and its small etc. Really, what percentage of the market is audiophiles?


RE: MP3????
By Josh7289 on 7/10/2006 9:27:33 PM , Rating: 2
Sir, youareright.


RE: MP3????
By SnoMunke on 7/11/2006 7:40:05 PM , Rating: 2
Put down the bong.


Numbnuts
By jmunjr on 7/11/2006 6:18:58 AM , Rating: 2
U guys are really creepy making all these arguments about which one is better based on one freakin picture.

In any case, neither have one HUGELY needed feature that was present in my 120GB player from 1999(yes 120GB from 1999
). It needs a SEARCH. Hello? what is their problem? My empeg with two 60GB notebook drives(20GB originally) is 7+ year old technology and still has more and better features than either one of these? Regardless of the portable vs. in-dash argument after 7 years I expect more.




RE: Numbnuts
By jmunjr on 7/11/2006 6:20:47 AM , Rating: 2
oh and to elaborate I can seach for songs based on title, artist, genre, year, and more. It is so simple. Why can't someone else come up with this? I can find any song on my unit in under 6 seconds. How many of you can with 5000 songs on your ipod do that?


RE: Numbnuts
By lewisc on 7/11/2006 8:21:35 AM , Rating: 2
I don't find it especially challenging finding a particular song on my Zen Vision:M....ordered by title, album, artist, genre or album art (which, correct me if I'm wrong, your aging player certainly cannot display). And then, each list can be filtered additionally by selecting the first letter of whatever you need.

And as for iPods, it seems the that wheel allows quick scrolling, although I've not had too much experience with these players so I can't really comment. So, I really don't get your point about everyone being a 'numbnuts', and that maybe you should try and use a different player before you comment. What do you think the main lawsuit between Creative and Apple is about? Song metadata is used in the UI in order to do just what you're whining about.

Finally, you're comparing a car stereo to a portable MP3 player. I don't see the relevence. My laptop allows be to search under much broader criteria than your empeg does, therefore your player is flawed? Hmm.


Hideous
By Questar on 7/10/2006 8:44:38 PM , Rating: 1
GOD that thing is fugly!




RE: Hideous
By Josh7289 on 7/10/2006 9:24:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
GOD that thing is fugly!


Fact. :P


RE: Hideous
By Wwhat on 7/11/2006 12:55:56 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed


looks like a 3G Ipod hahaha
By iamright on 7/10/2006 8:52:17 PM , Rating: 2
Folks, the verdict is in, this is a cheap ripoff of a 3G Ipod from years ago!
Here is a pic for those of you that can't recall the design
http://mint.jam.tc/mtbook/mt/archives/img/apple/3G...

Apple went away from the wheel with additional buttons years ago and now Microsoft is bringing the dead design back to life. Who wants to have a wheel and then two extra buttons placed on either side? Talk about lack of input interface integration!
I know there are going to be some self labeled geniuses that will point out that this new device from MS has a bigger color display and the 3G Ipod doesn't, well congratulations for your impressive perception. I'm taking about the design of the device and the hardware user input interface so save your obvious insights.




RE: looks like a 3G Ipod hahaha
By ktlewis02 on 7/10/2006 9:06:22 PM , Rating: 1
Wait a second... that concept looks like the 3G iPod? Uhhh...

Okay!


RE: looks like a 3G Ipod hahaha
By iamright on 7/10/2006 9:09:52 PM , Rating: 2
look at the link :b


Good job MS
By ktlewis02 on 7/10/2006 6:09:47 PM , Rating: 2
If this is real that looks like a really really good design in my opinion. The players screen looks like in can funtion both in portrait and landscape perspectives with the latter being for widescreen video playback and the former for displaying song and artist info, etc.




RE: Good job MS
By Jiggs1337 on 7/10/2006 6:13:44 PM , Rating: 2
yes, that's how i see it. landscape for video playback, and portrait for long lists such as song and artist info and play-lists. a lot could fit on that screen in portrait view, with maybe the top half showing photos while you see song info at the bottom and much more. its a perfect sized screen for that sized player without totally removing the buttons (which would be cool. button at side with front surface completely a screen I'd like.)


I don't buy it.
By rupaniii on 7/10/2006 11:54:14 PM , Rating: 1
Microsoft knows capitalising on the Live moniker for this is too lucrative. Also, this picture doesn't play games, no way.
I'm willing to believe in a two tone black and green player with 2 buttons on each side and two buttons on the top and the bottom, that is for the ambidextrous player, and a screensize similar to this. It plays Music and is Xscale based. Most likely plays games that compete with Nintendo DS and not PSP. Also, probably has a touchscreen and PDA abilities, blutooth and maybe Wifi, but most definitely games and music. If not, the other internal rumors are wrong, and incidentally, Micosoft would be proven stupid, so, here's hoping the the XLive Player, one day soon.




RE: I don't buy it.
By rupaniii on 7/10/2006 11:57:00 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, it's obvious, but I forgot a regular DPad on the one side, or perhaps a single analog., Nuff said.


fake I think
By Wwhat on 7/11/2006 12:57:17 AM , Rating: 3
The whole thing looks like a fake picture to me, and it wouldn't be the first time on engadget would it now.




iWhat?
By Randum on 7/10/2006 6:56:51 PM , Rating: 2
Count me in! Go Microsoft! Bout time they nail this market.
Macs are running Windows now too, but i dont see PCs trying to run MacOS in the near future, just a matter of time before macs and iPods are a figment of our memory




RE: iWhat?
By Ralph The Magician on 7/10/06, Rating: 0
Recent iPOD look irrelevant
By Gentleman on 7/10/2006 7:37:13 PM , Rating: 2
For those praising the look and design of the nano must remember that you have to put a cover for it not to scratch up. Whether this is poor design or not is a matter of opinioin, but the fact remains that the look of the nano cannot be seen if you were to "use" the product. Either cover up the player or it will cover itself with scratches.




It's a tough road to success.
By MonkeyPaw on 7/10/2006 10:54:48 PM , Rating: 2
I have a lot of questions about any MS player at this point.

First of all, I hope it's not intended to offer lots of gaming potential. iPods have some games, but they are barely playable due to the interface and size of the unit. MS will not do any better, IMO. Apple sells iPods as music players, and they sell millions of them this way. For MS to employ a more complicated model will leave the final product unfocused and less than successful.

Second, what kind of GUI will MS offer? Are they going to rip off Apple, or are they going to be original? Considering how MS has a track record of getting things right (or at least much closer to right) on the second try, will PMP-OS 1.0 be good enough? Will PMP interface well with MediaPlayer? Remember the first versions of ActiveSync for Windows PDAs? It was an aweful program. The first Xbox was a bit of a comprimise, but the 360 is more of a true, developed console. Seeing a trend? MS has a lot to prove here, and hopefully they can deliver.




Not bad...
By sxr7171 on 7/11/2006 3:45:22 AM , Rating: 2
Better than I expected.

They did copy the iPod in one way that stands out - the lack of branding. The iPod is pretty much the only product that has no branding on the front. The iPod pulled it off quite well, but this thing looks a little odd without any branding at all. In the case of the iPod the design is so unique that the basic shape and look of the device itself is the branding. It has become, for better or worse, an icon. I'm not sure if this device has that sort of uniqueness in its basic design. I guess a little "Argo" symbol on the bottom might be needed to finish it.




Controls
By Hare on 7/11/2006 4:31:33 AM , Rating: 2
Looking at the buttons I quess the big one in the middle is similar to the ones in game controllers. That can't compete with the clickwheel found in the ipods. The clickwheel is simply fast and natural way to browse your mp3-library. This thing has "not as good usability" written all over it...

... If this is even remotely similar to what MS actually plans to release.




Microsoft Zune?
By Nocturnal on 7/11/2006 5:33:05 AM , Rating: 2
Gizmodo is reporting that the name for the player is going to be Microsoft Zune. Any comments/opinions on this?




Reference Design?
By psychobriggsy on 7/11/2006 7:23:33 AM , Rating: 2
Is this a reference design that third party manufacturers will take and modify, or are Microsoft going to be providing everything - player, PC software, music & video store?

I think the picture about looks pretty dire, it lacks that certain something the iPod has. By the time it is released the iPod will have been updated too - although Apple aren't being too quick to do anything right now.

I don't see many iPod owners wanting to re-rip their entire music collection again - how many people would have changed iTunes from ripping in AAC to ripping in MP3? Regardless of the issue of Fairplay DRM locking in iPod users who've bought from iTMS, this will be a reason why it is practically impossible in the short term to release an iPod killer. iPods work extremely well, from the player interface and software through the ease of updating, through a very simple and easy to use music management application and a music store with several years of refinements.

It can slow down the sales of iPods however, especially if Microsoft can somehow make iPods and Apple 'uncool', although Microsoft and 'cool' as an alternative seems laughable. Microsoft's software is also available on over 90% of consumer systems as well, giving them a massive presence they can leverage.

Certainly though we don't want a system where Microsoft steamroller existing good quality offerings with their own (possibly discounted) offering, leaving them with a monopoly in yet another area. It may seem laughable right now with iPods everywhere, but Microsoft have a track record of doing exactly this, and leaving the consumer with a dearth of choice and freedoms.




Microsoft buying tracks?
By lewisc on 7/11/2006 8:35:51 AM , Rating: 2
I know this isn't to do with the visual aspect of the player (which looks ok in my opinion - is the circular control a wheel or a pad? hmm) but I heard on dl.tv (episode 75 I think) that media player will scan for any purchased itunes tracks and download them to your (presumably urge) account for free. This does away with any problems surrounding users not wanting to switch because they're locked into a particular service.

Additionally, if what is happening in France provides an example for other goverments, Apple may be considered in violation of anti-trust legislation in the method that it locks users into only being able to use an iPod to play iTunes tracks. This could potentially backfire for France however, with Apple cutting its losses and leaving the French market for iTunes, essentially leaving MP3 users with less choice, rather than the intended opposite.

For a good article on this, read http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm....




Apples and Argos
By nitschke65 on 7/11/2006 1:49:33 PM , Rating: 2
From what I’m reading now, the “Ipod Killer” is not going to be a simple music player, storage device, video gimmick. I didn’t stop liking bananas when I discovered oranges.
Getting an idea of how the front of this thing looks, nothing spectacular in my opinion, is only a tiny portion of the appeal it will garner in the marketplace. Apple has never given up on the most important aspect of a portable music player... they're PORTABLE! Obviously the screen on the video Ipod is too small (I own the 30gb) but it's not meant to replace my portable dvd player. The fact that I can watch old episodes of “Dragnet” on something I carry in my pocket is just a cute little extra. Seeing the pic of this MS prototype, I wonder if it will slip easily into my pocket. I also wonder if, when I first actually pick one up, if it will feel substantial in my hands. I hate cheaply produced products that feel like they'll break if I look at them the wrong way. As far as I'm concerned, Apple puts more design quality in their packaging than MS puts in their products.
I am writing this on my Toshiba Windows XP laptop, I also have a home made Windows XP tower (so I’m no MS hater) and a Apple g5 Imac. I use each on a regular basis and am lucky to be able to pick the machine best suited for what I’m doing. If someone wants one portable device to do everything, they’ll have to prioritize and pick the best product for their own needs. Asking a single hand held unit to do everything this “Argo” or “Zune” “Ipod killer” is supposedly going to do, process it all smoothly, and interface well, seems like a pipe dream to me.
If this were a power tool forum and we were discussing Toro's newest snow blower, I guess we'd have to complain about how you can't cut grass with it.




Not a gaming device
By Trisped on 7/12/2006 2:07:26 PM , Rating: 2
That is no more a gaming device then a cell phone is. Still, we will have to see where this goes. Microsoft has not been putting a lot into advertising it yet. Untill they do it won't have a chance.




By vision33r on 7/14/2006 12:56:06 PM , Rating: 2
This looks just like the new toshiba Gigabeat and a wheel instead of + button.

MS probably rebadging Toshiba Gigabeat.




...
By shabby on 7/10/06, Rating: 0
RE: ...
By MrPieGuy on 7/10/2006 9:43:51 PM , Rating: 1
Meh, rather than the iPod copying creative they should of done something original.


looks plain
By proamerica on 7/11/2006 2:18:18 AM , Rating: 1
It looks like a reject from the iPod design studio. If this is really Microsoft's design it will flop like all the others. Number one its not different enough. Its kind of close but not quite and ultimately gets a big fat "NICE TRY". Second it doesn't have the panache that and iPod has. The iPod has that glassy sheen to it that just screams to be looked at.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what it looks like. Apple's design is too tight, it honestly has no visual flaws. Criticizing an iPod nano would be like accusing the moon of being too spherical. This design however has flaws. Its widely rumored that the next iPod will have a widescreen as well. If that turns out to be true than the ONE functional advantage this player has goes up in smoke. And if Apple can manage to implement the touch screen navigation then kiss MS's pod-killer goodbye. Again, Apple's design is all about harmony, and from a visual standpoint what is more harmonious than a simple rectangle?

This isn't the player we're looking for. You can go about your business. Move along, move along...




Yawn
By Changleen on 7/11/06, Rating: 0
"A lot of people pay zero for the cellphone ... That's what it's worth." -- Apple Chief Operating Officer Timothy Cook











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