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T-Mobile CEO John Legere isn't going to put up with your crap anymore!

It looks as though Verizon Wireless isn’t the only U.S. wireless carrier that is starting to crack down on users with unlimited data plans. T-Mobile will start throttling unlimited users this month, but instead of targeting “innocents” like Verizon Wireless, T-Mobile is going after those that it feels are up to nefarious activities.
According to internal documents obtained by TmoNews, T-Mobile will start targeting users that are heavily using their unlimited data plans for torrent/P2P downloads. The data throttling will begin on August 17.

T-Mobile CEO John Legere
An excerpt from the internal documents states:
Using the Service in connection with server devices or host computer applications, including continuous Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing applications that are broadcast to multiple servers or recipients, “bots” or similar routines that could disrupt net user groups or email use by others or other applications that denigrate network capacity or functionality.
T-Mobile won’t just throttle your connection without prior notice; it will send notifications to the customers first to warn of their abusive data usage (and the penalties, which includes reduced data speeds). If the warning isn’t enough to scare customers straight, and the data abuses continue, speeds will be reduced until the billing cycle is over.
The only customers that will be affected by this policy change are those on older “Unlimited” plans or those on “Simple Choice” plans.

Source: TmoNews

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Instant solution
By flyingpants1 on 8/13/2014 11:31:29 PM , Rating: 2
Stop calling it "Unlimited LTE" if you don't get unlimited use of LTE. Call it "10GB with unlimited bandwidth in off-peak hours!"

RE: Instant solution
By StormyKnight on 8/14/2014 2:18:57 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly. When is unlimited not unlimited? If you are calling a data plan unlimited, then that is what it should be. Quit whining about your unlimited users. You're losing them little by little as it is.

RE: Instant solution
By Peter-B on 8/14/2014 2:42:39 AM , Rating: 3
You're both wrong. The data usage is unlimited. I just don't think they agreed to guarantee full speed all the time. You're not being charged more for using more data, are you?

RE: Instant solution
By flyingpants1 on 8/14/2014 4:10:11 AM , Rating: 2
Re-read the first line. It's not "unlimited LTE" if it's throttled to 2G speeds.

RE: Instant solution
By Bill S. on 8/14/2014 7:50:19 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, that's the title of the article, which might just be Brandon's words, NOT necessarily the words of the T-Mo CEO.

RE: Instant solution
By flyingpants1 on 8/14/2014 4:16:56 PM , Rating: 2
You can find many graphics around where they advertised "Unlimited 4G".

RE: Instant solution
By Peter-B on 8/14/2014 9:00:03 AM , Rating: 2
LTE speeds also vary. It has a maximum bandwith, but not a minimum.

RE: Instant solution
By quiksilvr on 8/14/2014 9:51:09 AM , Rating: 2
UP TO 100 MBPS (withanaverageoffourmegabitspersecondcoughcoughwhat whosaidthat?)

RE: Instant solution
By idiot77 on 8/14/14, Rating: -1
RE: Instant solution
By flyingpants1 on 8/14/2014 4:33:13 AM , Rating: 2
I don't understand what you're talking about.

RE: Instant solution
By geekman1024 on 8/14/2014 5:10:14 AM , Rating: 3
erm, you are asking an idiot (ranked 77th at that) to explain his/her opinion?

RE: Instant solution
By NellyFromMA on 8/14/2014 8:32:32 AM , Rating: 3
Frankly, using LTE for P2P / torrenting in large volume OTA probably accounts for a massive percentage of bandwidth consumed, the majority of which is pirated content anyways. You know its true.

In the context of OTA internet, I'm not offended in the least bit if torrenting is throttled. There are a multitude of other ways to get high quality Video and Audio content to your device that aren't being throttled, like every other way except for torrenting.

Throttling a hard line on the other hand is a different story where there is a lot less of an excuse to blame infrastructure (and if so, its probably due to a lack of re-investment).

There's only so much spectrum available to use, torrenting isn't exactly an efficient or even an appropriate use IMO unless it could be healthily handled without impacting even one other user. I wouldn't even care if cell phone providers altogether restricted its use on their networks.

Use a hardline for that. You can still stream your Netflix and Spotify all day without worry with T-Mobile, so this isn't really a big deal to me and the other 99.9% of users.

RE: Instant solution
By SkullOne on 8/14/2014 8:43:30 AM , Rating: 2
You apparently didn't read the original source of this information as you are completely misinformed. It doesn't help that Brandon didn't bother mentioning the specifics about who exactly will get throttled.

Only users who are doing things outside the T&C (Terms & Conditions) they agreed to when signing up for service are being throttled. P2P sharing and tethering without paying for tethering is not allowed on any carriers network.

The people doing these things are in breach of the T&C and can potentially hurt the service for other users who are not in breach of the T&C. That's why they are getting throttled. They're not getting throttled only because they're using large amounts of data. They're getting throttled because they're doing something they agreed not to do and the side effect of that is large amounts of data usage.

You can go stream Netflix 24x7 on your phone using an unlimited T-Mobile data plan and will never get throttled due to bandwidth usage since you're not doing anything against the T&C.

Appropriate Use
By Samus on 8/13/2014 11:20:50 PM , Rating: 3
I'd have to agree that P2P via cellular is pretty ridiculous. Sure, I get downloading the occasional Daily Show or something, but people who are seeding gigabytes on their data plan should be throttled, that's complete abuse of radio waves.

RE: Appropriate Use
By amanojaku on 8/13/2014 11:34:05 PM , Rating: 2
I love T-Mobile but I have to question this practice. If you have a plan that says you're allotted a certain amount of data, what does it matter if that data is P2P, video, or corporate VPN traffic? The companies are selling a data pipe, not a service pipe.

RE: Appropriate Use
By Solandri on 8/14/2014 12:31:53 AM , Rating: 3
I wish that were the case. But ISPs are currently classified as service providers, not common carriers. What you're saying would be true if they were common carriers. But as service providers they have a lot more leeway to fiddle with the data streams of their customers.

I blame the MPAA/RIAA. Many DMCA provisions are toothless if the ISPs become common carriers. In particular, as a common carrier they would have no authority to read your data stream (unless law enforcement shows up with a warrant), but likewise they would have no liability for any illegal activity conducted by their customers over those data streams (e.g. sharing copyrighted materials).

As service providers, they lack this immunity. The DMCA leverages this by granting them immunity if they roll over and (1) treat customers as if they are guilty of copyright infringement until they can prove their innocence, and (2) hand over customer data to the person/entity filing the copyright violation claim. The immunity is a big enough carrot that nearly all ISPs willingly cooperate with selling out their own customers.

RE: Appropriate Use
By Omega215D on 8/14/2014 2:31:05 AM , Rating: 4
They are getting unlimited data but that doesn't mean at full speed. Wireless bandwidth is a commodity and a tower can only handle so much at a given time. Those that abuse it/ use a lot of it can hurt others in the area. Take for instance midtown Manhattan NYC where all carriers get bogged down with the volume of data/ cell usage.

RE: Appropriate Use
By FITCamaro on 8/14/2014 7:25:55 AM , Rating: 2
If you're downloading/seeding torrents by and large you are hogging bandwidth to commit a crime. I feel no sympathy for you. Are there legit uses for torrents and P2P? Yes. Is over 90% of its usage for illegally downloading shows, movies, and games? Yes.

RE: Appropriate Use
By Gunbuster on 8/14/2014 11:32:37 AM , Rating: 2
T-Mobile sells an unlimited plan for personal/residential use on the phone with a TOS that the customer agrees to. Your VPN argument doesn't even hold up. The expectation is you are using a phone. Not hacking it to provide a constant data stream to other devices.

If it was "Just a pipe" I could build a data center and then connect it to the net with 100 phones wired up on the roof for unlimited bandwidth right? Clearly there would be nothing wrong with that.

RE: Appropriate Use
By glowingghoul on 8/14/2014 10:20:20 AM , Rating: 1
If you're downloading the Daily Show you deserve to be throttled, and you should have your LTE speeds limited as well.

RE: Appropriate Use
By Brandon Hill on 8/14/2014 10:29:27 AM , Rating: 2
Can't you stream The Daily Show for free using the Android/iOS app?

On T-Mobile and dont care.
By Gunbuster on 8/14/2014 10:17:15 AM , Rating: 3
Oh boo hoo, people using the $80 plan for their home internet pirating service. I feel so bad for them getting slowed down while still holding a TX/RX channel on the tower captive 24/7/365...

RE: On T-Mobile and dont care.
By reconize on 8/14/2014 10:48:03 AM , Rating: 2
The only customers that will be affected by this policy change are those on older “Unlimited” plans or those on “Simple Choice” plans.

Why target only those on an unlimited plan or simple choice (whatever that is) if they are trying to be so noble and stop P2P. Why not go after everyone on every plan that uses P2P?

I think customers will see throttled services whatever type of data they are using if they use a lot of it, be it Netflix or ESPN go or whatever.

And they pay for the same service you do dude. Imaging if you had a Corvette so now the cops say you can only drive 10 MPH everywhere. We want to cut down on the speeding by fast cars so you will be throttled. You pay the same registration fee to use the roads like everyone else, regardless if you speed or what you do with your vehicle.

RE: On T-Mobile and dont care.
By SkullOne on 8/14/2014 11:01:13 AM , Rating: 2
Because if you don't have unlimited data via the old plans or the new Simple Choice plans you're not going to be doing much P2P as you'd burn through your data cap in a matter of hours and be throttled anyways.

I will say it again, this throttling with T-Mobile only affects those who are doing things the T&C says DO NOT DO such as P2P and tethering if you don't pay for tethering.

There's nothing in the T&C that says you can't stream Netflix 24x7 on your phone. Then again you can't really do that since after a show/movie ends you stop streaming. So at some point you will stop eating data on a regular basis.

RE: On T-Mobile and dont care.
By Gunbuster on 8/14/2014 11:05:47 AM , Rating: 2
Since we're doing analogy's it's more like a tractor trailer driver paying for a non commercial vehicle tag through some loophole, taking up 50% of the available roadway 24/7, not getting arrested for smuggling cigarettes between states, and then copping an attitude for having to abide by a 55mph truck speed limit.

Get real
By Chaser on 8/14/2014 8:12:29 PM , Rating: 2
I use my phone's data for occasional navigation, Facebook, uploading photos and other rudimentary phone related actions.

Not as a ISP for my entire house to use for Torrent movie collection. Losers!

RE: Get real
By titanmiller on 8/14/2014 10:40:01 PM , Rating: 2
My parents live in a location with no landline broadband. Cellular is their only connection to the world other than dial-up which in this day and age is worthless.

RE: Get real
By Gunbuster on 8/15/2014 9:12:27 AM , Rating: 2
Then perhaps your parents should buy a hotspot and corresponding plan and abide by the TOS.

T-Mo goes up to 11GB for $70

Verizon goes up to 100GB for $710

Creeper-mode Activated
By bodar on 8/13/2014 11:12:56 PM , Rating: 2
That photo makes me think John Legere is up to something nefarious, pretty much all the time. Soooo, mission accomplished, Hill.

By Hutchinman on 8/14/2014 9:04:25 PM , Rating: 2
T-Mobile is throttling those on their old Unlimited plans who do P2P traffic BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST THEIR TOS!


Is T-Mobile throttling its unlimited customers, too? On Thursday CEO John Legere jumped on Twitter to deny the rumor, saying that there is “no limit on data”.

The denial follows reports of an internal memo obtained by TmoNews that says the company plans to address unauthorized tethering and those sharing files via peer-to-peer networks. Somehow this bit of news turned into accusations that the company is throttling a specific group of customers.

“T-Mobile has identified customers who are heavy data users and are engaged in peer-to-peer file sharing, and tethering outside of T-Mobile’s Terms and Conditions (T&C),” the internal memo said. “This results in a negative data network experience for T-Mobile customers. Beginning August 17, T-Mobile will begin to address customers who are conducting activities outside of T-Mobile’s T&Cs.”

Here’s a part of the T&C that clearly states what customers cannot do:

“…using the Service in connection with server devices or host computer applications, including continuous Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing applications that are broadcast to multiple servers or recipients, ‘bots’ or similar routines that could disrupt net user groups or email use by others or other applications that denigrate network capacity or functionality,” the T&C states under section 18, Misuse of Service or Device.

"This is about the Internet.  Everything on the Internet is encrypted. This is not a BlackBerry-only issue. If they can't deal with the Internet, they should shut it off." -- RIM co-CEO Michael Lazaridis

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