Those who pirate software, music, or
don't think about the consequences of their actions. However, if
the makers of "The Hurt Locker" have their say, they may
send a few pirates running for cover.
Filmmakers behind the Oscar-winning
movie have launched a full-scale attack against filesharers that
downloaded copies of the film. However, the most amazing part of this
case is the number of pirates involved in the upcoming lawsuit and
the helping hand that ISPs are giving in the investigation.
According to The Hollywood Reporter,
of thousands of pirates will be targeted in lawsuit which is
expected to be filed later this week. In addition, 75 percent of the
ISPs involved in the illegal downloads are cooperating with the
producers to hand over the ISP addresses of the pirates. "Those
that have resisted are mostly doing so, they say, because of the
amount of work involved in handing over thousands of names,"
reports Eriq Gardner of The Hollywood Reporter.
Some torrent users have been rather
defiant and dismissive of the threat to sue. Many commenters
over at TorrentFreak resorted to attacking the quality of
the movie once news of the impending lawsuit broke. "Not a bad
scam. Make a crap movie don’t make enough money of it. Then decide
to sue file shares," stated user markie. "I see a pattern
emerging here. Every crap movie being made will come with file shares
Another commenter suggested attempting
to cover your tracks. "EVERYONE open ur wifi up , that will be
the best defense … u cant prove someone went into my public wifi
and downloaded it and tried to hide there tracks," exclaimed
Another commenter, 73, expressed fear
over the crackdowns:
This type of
stuff really scares me. I used to think that I would just be in
danger if I was an uploader, but now as a downloader you are fair
game too. I mean, I’m not a newb, but after doing a bit of
research, I’m seeing that I’m apparently in no way safe as I
thought I was when torrenting: I use PeerGuardian and Transmission
and use the Encryption/Bad Peer Block on both, but apparently, this
protects me in no way aside from ISP throttling? I’m now freaked
even to open my Torrent Client.
Regardless of how things go down with
this latest move by the producers of "The Hurt Locker", it
appears that movie studios are pulling out all the stops to combat
piracy. And from the looks of things, ISPs are for the most part
throwing in their support as well.
quote: It only won SIX Oscars, including Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Screenplay.
quote: Funny how they talk about piracy being responsible for lower box-office takings, but when a quality film comes along it can still top the box-office charts. It really puts paid to that lie.
quote: Netflix cannibalized Blockbuster and Hollywood video. That is the reason for its growth.
quote: Blockbuster convinced movie studies to make it punishable for mom and pop video stores to rent their movies. How did they convince them you asked? By paying a royalty for each and every rental
quote: Asian (Japanese, korean) movies often are way more subtle, complex, realistic, beautiful.
quote: It only won SIX Oscars, including Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Screenplay.
quote: Robin Hood steals from wealthy people using the stolen merchandise to feed his band of "merry" men and also giving some back to the local impoverished community. Yet we see Robin Hood as a hero.
quote: You just want free songs.
quote: Stop fooling yourself and trying to rationalize being a theif
quote: If you set the price of your product above what people are wanting to pay for it, they will make free copies of it.
quote: and what I have copied, I would never buy.
quote: hence you can't speak of theft
quote: I don't want to watch the same movie twice before several years have passed – I just remember stuff too well.
quote: I'm merely pointing out that they're not going to get my money anyway.
quote: You wouldn't steal a car off of a dealers lot, would you?
quote: If there "was" such a machine to copy cars, Car makers wouldn't be spending m/billions to produce the cars, they'd be spending pennies because they themselves would use the machine.
quote: Steal- to take the property of another wrongfullyTake- to seize or capture physically
quote: Nobody is actually losing anything, therefore it is not stealing .
quote: This metaphor never made sense to me. If there was a one in a million chance that I would get caught, then yeah I might (steal a car).
quote: A car is a physical object, requiring resources and work to manufacture and duplicate
quote: I guess you're hung up on the part where you're not getting paid.
quote: "Yea, and Avatar only grossed $748,037,1959 - do they really need more money?"
quote: I never got that argument, hollywood makes crap now, I dont want to see it, I'll only watch it the one time. Its to expensive, waa waa waa.If its crap, then why are you downloading it?If its 'expensive' why not rent it?Truth is, you just want something for nothing, and everything else pirates say is just bullshit.
quote: The tiresome part is people who think people who download movies/music are "people who want something for nothing".
quote: 1. It's not stealing. Period.
quote: doesn't want to wait 28 days before netflix gets it what is he going to do? He's going to torrent it.
quote: It's not stealing because the owner is not deprived of his property. The owner may not get extra money he might have gotten, but he is not loosing anything either.
quote: movie studios are not providing services that people want
quote: It is still not stealing
quote: that's what's going to happen if movie studios do not provide their customers what they want.
quote: How do you propose movie studios compete against free downloads while remaining in business?
quote: Offer something extra or offer better value for the money.
quote: Then there are availability issues, not all movies are available on the net or they might be available, but not in a format you want, say you want HDrip, but all you can get is DVDrip. Most of the times there are no special features either. Subtitles are still a problem. Then there are compatibility problems, movie might be compressed with a newer version of codec and you have to hunt it down and install it first.
quote: If you own a music cd and pass it out to friends so that they can experience it without paying for it also, how is that illegal?
quote: Torrenting is just a very high-tech means of sharing what you own with other people.
quote: Not exactly. When you share a cd with a friend, or a book with another person, they don't get to keep the cd or book when they are done.
quote: It is immoral to punish the innocent in order to get to the guilty
quote: Keeping the file after they downloaded it is meaningless as movies are something that can be watched and then... discarded. It is the act of watching the movie that is the billable instance--and this is where the whole argument boils down to.It is the consumption of that intellectual property, the injection of it into your mind, this is what you should pay for to experience, rather than just "holding a copy" of it on your hard drive. Now, for now, it can not be proven that you did in fact watch the film, but, the simple act of "downloading" the film suggests that you have the "intent" to watch it.
quote: It seems you suggest that would should just throw our hands up in the air and be done with the rule of law completely and never, ever bother trying to convict anyone of a crime.
quote: In the case of p2p filesharing, through the logs of isp's and other electronic means, they can point the finger in your direction.
quote: But they cannot invade privacy to determine who is merely experiencing a shared instance versus transcribing a permanent copy from that instance.
quote: You have failed to prove that creating and redistributing intangible ideas for non-buyers to experience is not arbitrarily different when it comes to movies.
quote: Yes they can, it is called a warrant. Police departments serve them all the time. All they need is probable cause. Downloading a file gives them that cause.
quote: Either way, the fact you downloaded it shows you wanted to watch it.
quote: It is called copyright infringement. It is against the law. I have nothing else to prove.
quote: Traditionally, the word racket is used to describe a business that is based on the example of the "protection racket" and indicates that the speaker believes that the business is making money by selling a solution to a problem that the business itself created (or that it intentionally allows to continue to exist), specifically so that continuous purchases of the solution are always needed.
quote: " If a movie is leaked from the inside with the intent of allowing users to download it while silently keeping tabs on all the users"Sorry, no. Studios do not intentionally leak their films before release. Never have, never will. Any leak prior to release is an "inside job" by a disgruntled employee, ex-employee, or contractor.
quote: "A lot of these leaks are inside jobs." Does that change anything? In his example, yes it does.
quote: Your wants are not basic human rights.
quote: Their desire doesn't give them the right to appropriate other's property. Your wants are not basic human rights.
quote: "Your" distribution? Get this entitlement mentality out of your head. If you want a movie distributed online -- make it yourself. It's not your god-given right to demand other people's property in the form you feel most convenient to you.
quote: but many simply didn't want to buy an entire music album for one "good" song when the rest of the album sucked.
quote: In my opinion the music and film industries created this pirating problem for themselves by refusing to embrace and adapt their distribution methods as technology evolved.
quote: As for the movie studios, where's our online distribution today? Even still they're relying on Apple, Hulu, Netflix and Amazon for that, who have a limited (or overpriced in Apple's case) selection. Maybe if these two industries stopped clinging to the past forms of media and embraced the future, they wouldn't be facing the frustrated consumers and lost profits of today.
quote: And I don't really want to get into "continuous purchases" too much, but they take up issue with me copying a piece of IP I legally own for self-use? Really?
quote: Meh, it's a good movie. I paid for it without a second thought.
quote: The amount of things that were misrepresented was downright insulting to the intelligence of the US military at times...
quote: Look at what Radiohead did. They still made millions on a DONATION SYSTEM!!! INSANE! If I was already an established artist I would definitely cut my ties.
quote: If you're downloading it, you might be receiving stolen goods....maybe, but you're not stealing them yourself.
quote: What about those who download as a preview instead of renting, never keeping the file as a personal copy? These people have to be lumped in with the "pirates" because it's impossible to determine who is doing what after downloading.
quote: What about those who download as a preview instead of renting, never keeping the file as a personal copy?