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Key software and hardware updates may be coming for the iPhone

DailyTech previously reported that Apple would soon be previewing the 3.0 version of its iPhone OS to the tech community.  With Apple's smartphone well positioned in the market, posting some of the strongest hardware sales of last year, the release of a new OS is a big event.  Many are hoping that the new OS will hint at new hardware or will offer some of the basic functionality like copy and paste which Apple has long denied its users.

The copy and paste rumors in particular are picking up steam.  Digg's Kevin Rose, a past clairvoyant with Apple predictions, claims to have the scoop on copy and paste.  He makes unconfirmed claims that copy/cut and paste will be implemented in the 3.0 OS.  The process, summarized on a Gizmodo blog is:

Cut and paste in 3.0:
- Users magnify or double tap a word to bring up cut and paste
- Pinch "boundaries" to select word(s); Rose called them "copy boundaries"
- Then you get option to cut, paste or copy

It is also rumored that MMS and video messaging will not be supported in the new OS.  Rumors about these features have been propagating for the last couple weeks, but recent reports from inside sources indicate that these desirable features are unfortunately not to be.

Another top rumor is that new hardware may be in the mix.  This rumor is fueled by the fact that every past x.0 iPhone OS release has corresponded to a new hardware release.  Many are speculating that a 32 GB iPhone will be released as a 32 GB iPod Touch already exists.  Further, some are going as far as to speculate that new processors/casing/etc. may be in the mix as well.

Finally, there are rumors about Apple tweaking how its applications run.  Apps have been a pillar of the iPhone 3G's wild success, but currently only one app can be active at a time.  According to Kevin Rose, the ability to have other apps running in the background will not be supported.  Apple has long said this is the case due to memory limitations.  However, the rumor is still popping up that Apple may support background operation for a limited number of apps.

Others are claiming Apple will institute a slightly different scheme -- push notifications.  This feature would allow non-running apps like IM clients to receive and display notifications (i.e. a popup when a new IM is received).  This would be one possible way of getting around the background limitations, possibly without using as much memory.

Ultimately, the iPhone 3.0 OS is Apple's chance to prove itself the superior competitor to the much anticipated Palm Pre phone.  While it is seemingly increasingly unlikely that Apple will be able to kill the multi-touch Pre with litigation (Apple has a rather ambiguous patent on multi-touch, while the Pre is the first smart phone outside the iPhone to support it), Apple must seek to take it on by offering better features. 

Whether Apple can deliver on such features is intimately attached to the capabilities of the new OS.  However, at this point these capabilities remain unsubstantiated rumors, and cannot be fairly judged.



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OMG!
By quiksilvr on 3/16/2009 1:14:28 PM , Rating: 5
COPY AND PASTE! AFTER TWO YEARS THEY FINALLY ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THE MOST BASIC FEATURE A SMARTPHONE HAS!




RE: OMG!
By biggsjm on 3/16/09, Rating: -1
RE: OMG!
By Ticholo on 3/16/2009 1:33:22 PM , Rating: 3
Background apps would work better by just running in the background and alerting you if there is no more memory when you try to launch a new one and letting you choose which currently running app you want to close. Not that I know much about the iPhone's OS, but I doubt every app takes up the same amount of memory. If you're going to allow multi-tasking it should be based on hardware limits, not some arbitrary number they come up with.

The copy/paste "feature", while somewhat basic, does present an interesting problem for the iPhone's interface. That said, I really can't see why it isn't there from the start... It seems like a basic thing to implement. Surely someone at Apple could have worked it out when the iPhone first came out.


RE: OMG!
By Narbo on 3/16/2009 1:26:13 PM , Rating: 3
The irony of course is that it's taken everybody else more then two years to catch up to the REST of the iPhone's software capabilities and functionality and they still aren't there yet...

To be honest the MMS thing annoys me WAY more then copy/paste. IMO MMS is basic phone functionality and I have no idea why Apple does not support it given how well everything else on the phone is integrated.


RE: OMG!
By ZachDontScare on 3/16/2009 2:58:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The irony of course is that it's taken everybody else more then two years to catch up to the REST of the iPhone's software capabilities and functionality and they still aren't there yet...

Oh, I dont know about that. I guess it depends on what capabilities are important to you. An iphone is completely ruled out for me because it doesnt support dialup over bluetooth, for example.

Compare to say, the HTC Touch - which people forget actually came out before the iphone - which does support bluetooth DUN. And video capture. And third party apps not purchased through an official store. And built in wifi (where the carriers havent crippled the features, that is)

The iphone, capability wise, is pretty underwhelming.


RE: OMG!
By invidious on 3/16/09, Rating: -1
RE: OMG!
By nycromes on 3/16/2009 4:29:46 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think they were complaining but rather trying to put in perspective the phone which many think is way ahead of it's time. In reality it took many of the best features of phones, put them in a nice shiny and very controlled package that works well in most cases.

Many people seem to overlook the features that are available on other phones and not the iPhone while they try to tout the features on the iPhone as way ahead of their time. In reality there was much improvement on the features that Apple chose implement, and it is a great device. Its not really ahead of the competition by much if at all, except maybe at launch and even thats debatable.


RE: OMG!
By zerocool84 on 3/16/2009 6:02:01 PM , Rating: 3
While they are giving it new features, they block user created ones that could give you the functionality NOW. I just rather not support a company that tells me what they think I want and need. They have been doing it forever even before the iphone. I like the iphone but will never buy it because I do not support apple's tactics in many things they do. To me they are just as bad, if not worse now than Microsoft was.


RE: OMG!
By FITCamaro on 3/16/09, Rating: -1
RE: OMG!
By ksherman on 3/16/2009 1:41:00 PM , Rating: 2
Not entirely so. The first generation iPhone runs OS 2.0+ and likely will run 3.0+, though it will be missing features that the hardware doesn't exist for, ie 3G/GPS.


RE: OMG!
By Chaser on 3/16/2009 1:45:21 PM , Rating: 2
I think you're thinking Windows Mobile phones. You don't have to buy a new phone to get updates. This update, just like past versions, will upgrade for free over iTunes.


RE: OMG!
By omnicronx on 3/16/2009 2:04:52 PM , Rating: 2
Actually its not like WinMo phones. Its up to the carrier to support updates. Personally my carrier has released free updates, on both WinMo phones that I have bought.

The difference here is that for iPhone 2g users, aside from bug fixes, there really were no enhancements from the 2.0 OS update.

FT point is people bought a new iPhone just to get the new hardware features, and this time around it will probably happen again. The question is, is there really enough difference between the 2g and the '4g' to warrant the multiple upgrades for essentially the same device?


RE: OMG!
By omnicronx on 3/16/2009 2:05:56 PM , Rating: 2
I do have to say that Apple has the right idea though, updating should not be left up to the carrier, and it seems MS has learned from this and will be performing their own updates this time around.


RE: OMG!
By melgross on 3/16/2009 2:25:06 PM , Rating: 2
You never got software upGRADES. Just updates, which is not the same thing.

I never got more than a minor bug fix with any of my Palms. The same thing has been true for every other phone.

Now that the iPhone does it (as does the iTouch iPod), every other manufacturer is going to be forced into doing it as well. Will they do it for free as Apple does? They've never wanted to do that at all, because, yes, people used to buy new phones to get a newer version of the OS. Their sales depended upon it. I'm sure they must be squirming at the thought.


RE: OMG!
By omnicronx on 3/16/2009 2:42:07 PM , Rating: 3
As I said, you can blame your carrier for that. Using my phone as an example, two carrier with the exact same phone has different OS versions. It was a full upgrade from Windows mobile 5 to 6, and then again from 6 to 6.1. Mind you most carriers decided not to do this because it will undermine sales of their new phones, but it is not like MS blocked the ability to do so. Put the blame where it is due, the carriers, not Windows mobile.

As already stated, MS has learned from their mistakes and will take this ability away from the carriers with WinMo 7.

Furthermore Apple users with older hardware are getting 'upgrades' by name only. Almost everything in the OS revisions are updates and bug fixes, and rarely add new functionality. Lets just look at the 2.0 OS update, what exactly was added to iPhone 2g phones. Are you trying to deny that many people went and upgraded their existing iPhones, for what was essentially a 3g update? This is FT's point.


RE: OMG!
By Motley on 3/16/2009 4:07:22 PM , Rating: 2
* Enhancements to Maps
o Google Street View*
o Public transit and walking directions
o Display address of dropped pins
o Share location via email
* Decrease in call setup failures and dropped calls
* Enhancements to Mail
o Resolved isolated issues with scheduled fetching of email
o Improved formatting of wide HTML email
* Podcasts are now available for download in iTunes application (over Wi-Fi and cellular network)
* Improved stability and performance of Safari
* Improved sound quality of Visual Voicemail messages
* Pressing Home button from any Home screen displays the first Home screen
* Preference to turn on/off auto-correction in Keyboard Settings

* Decrease in call set-up failures and dropped calls
* Significantly better battery life for most users
* Dramatically reduced time to backup to iTunes
* Improved email reliability, notably fetching email from POP and Exchange accounts
* Faster installation of 3rd party applications
* Fixed bugs causing hangs and crashes for users with lots of third party applications
* Improved performance in text messaging
* Faster loading and searching of contacts
* Improved accuracy of the 3G signal strength display
* Repeat alert up to two additional times for incoming text messages
* Option to wipe data after ten failed passcode attempts
* Genius playlist creation
* The App Store
* Enterprise support
* MobileMe support
* Mass email move and delete
* Contacts search
* Updated keyboard and dictionary support
* Support for more email attachments
* Scientific calculator

Those are just the larger of the changes that I got with the 2.0 update on my iPhone 1.0. There a number of others as well that aren't listed, but you get the idea.


RE: OMG!
By omnicronx on 3/16/2009 5:08:50 PM , Rating: 2
I was not aware of all the changes that went in to the 2g (quite impressive actually, aside from the lack of basic smart phone features). You seem to be one of the smart people that is not going to go out and buy a new iPhone, even though you already have one. This is all I (and i think FT) was trying to get across. You would not believe how many people bought another iPhone for what was essentially just to get 3g speeds.

I don't care who you are, or how much money you have, that is not a good investment.


RE: OMG!
By Sazar on 3/16/2009 6:45:39 PM , Rating: 2
Except for the fact that the majority of owners who already have the first gen simply sold it for the same price (the market was HOT for 1G iPhones) and purchased or, in many cases, paid $50 upgrade for the new phone.

Also, the list is not that impressive from what the end-user actually experienced. The 3G capabilities were abysmal to begin with, although now they have been improved dramatically. And battery life didn't improve noticeably till the last couple of updates.

Personally, the 3G phone is much better than the first gen and was worth the purchase due to the better speakerphone, GPS and higher bandwidth capabilities.

If I had a slow computer and new hardware came out to make it faster, I would buy it. The phone itself wasn't faster but the ability to get data over 3G (for Orb or Safari) was much much faster and for me was worth the price :)

I cannot tell you how frustrating it is to surf over Edge.


RE: OMG!
By Chaser on 3/16/2009 2:32:57 PM , Rating: 2
Actually it's very much like Winmo phones. I have owned several and have never had one that offered an upgrade to the next version. If there's an exception when there was one its extremely rare. You buy the phone to get the OS and thats where it stays.

Version 2.0 offered the app store. And in retrospec I'd say that was a substancial feature upgrade for first Gen iPhone owners.


RE: OMG!
By omnicronx on 3/16/2009 2:49:05 PM , Rating: 1
God damnit read my posts. Although less than ideal, it was the carriers that were put in charge of the updates. Apple's implementation of an on device update was ingenious and heads and heals ahead of what WinMo phones have, but just because you failed to realize that updates/upgrades for WinMo are available, does not mean they don't exist.


RE: OMG!
By Darnell021 on 3/16/2009 3:32:09 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think Apple's model is much like the WinMo model considering they design their OS for 2 phones right now, the iPhone and the iPhone 3g. They went out of their way from the start to make sure the carrier would have limited capabilities as to how they sold and supported their phones, and they make upgrades readily available to the consumer. Aren't WinMo phones traditionally designed by third parties for specific versions of the WinMo OS and also under normal obligations of the cell phone carrier to be upgraded?

Regardless, I'm sure copy paste will be well done on the new 3.0 OS, they've had soooo long to perfect it.


RE: OMG!
By omnicronx on 3/16/2009 5:16:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't think Apple's model is much like the WinMo model considering they design their OS for 2 phones right now, the iPhone and the iPhone 3g.
Without a doubt, its their biggest flaw and advantage;) Easy to design and support an OS for a certain set of hardware, yet makes it much harder to get a larger target audience. On the other hand, when you can sell your products for more money when it 'just works', you make more money by selling less product
quote:
Aren't WinMo phones traditionally designed by third parties for specific versions of the WinMo OS and also under normal obligations of the cell phone carrier to be upgraded?
Microsoft licenses out the Windows mobile OS, so yes they are designed by 3rd parties, but there are only two specific versions of Windows Mobile, smartphone and PPC editions. What you see today on most phones like HTC are of the PPC variety. And yes, upgrades are fully the responsibility of the third party (i.e the carrier).


RE: OMG!
By croc on 3/16/2009 10:06:23 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't quite work like that... MS makes the OS, licenses the OS (and the API's) to the MFG. In your example HTC. HTC then adds on their bits to make their radio implementation, bluetooth, wifi, whatever to work. HTC then signs a deal with a carrier to carry that model, but the carrier wants a 'branded' device. Carrier may specify just a UI change, or may specify that certain 'features' are disabled. Say wifi, because that carrier has none.

So MS makes a newer version of firmware, bugfix, feature patch, whatever. New version now has to go through that whole process again. Carrier may very well not want to spend the money on the branding process, or HTC may decide that it will implement that in its new model and not offer it.

Apple, OTOH, controls the entire process end to end. Special carrier branding? Take it or leave it. Are carriers happy? No, but if the demand is large enough they'll take it.


RE: OMG!
By Chaser on 3/17/2009 7:46:39 AM , Rating: 2
Research what you bloviate. You're trying to make some pointless conclusion off a minor inference. Carriers or anyone else otherwise DO NOT upgrade Windows mobile versions from say WINMO 6 to 7 unless you buy a new phone. Thats just the way it is.


RE: OMG!
By lagitup on 3/16/2009 8:41:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Actually its not like WinMo phones. Its up to the carrier to support updates.


The people at xda-developers, at least for HTC phones, supply updates even when carriers don't. As far as I know Sprint hasn't released a WinMo 6.1 update for my HTC Touch (Vogue) but the HTC Website, xda-developers forum, and ppcgeeks forum all carry WinMo 6.1 software packages for it.


RE: OMG!
By nycromes on 3/16/2009 4:31:00 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting that everyone I know that bought an original iPhone ran out and bought the 2nd generation as well when it came out. I would expect something similar here.


RE: OMG!
By fri2219 on 3/16/2009 1:29:21 PM , Rating: 2
Basic, like a shift key?


RE: OMG!
By psychobriggsy on 3/16/2009 2:08:14 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, like all the non-touchscreen Windows Mobile phones out there that didn't support it either.

Yes, it's taken Apple far far far too long to add support for this feature - essential for serious use. Same goes for some other features. I hope the end result is worth it. Personally I don't want to carry something around so precious that I'll always worry about having it stolen or broken.

Personally I think this guy is guessing. I also know that we'll have a good idea of the features in 24 hours time, so I'm not too bothered about these stories.


RE: OMG!
By melgross on 3/16/2009 2:20:32 PM , Rating: 2
It took MS until version 3 of their Win Mobile OS to add Copy/Paste. Why do you think it's so easy to do properly?


RE: OMG!
By Whaaambulance on 3/16/2009 2:42:38 PM , Rating: 1
Caps lock is cruise-control for awesome.


RE: OMG!
By spread on 3/16/2009 3:20:46 PM , Rating: 4
Copy AND Paste??!

WOOOWW!!!!
What will Apple innovate next?! I CAN'T WAIT!!


RE: OMG!
By B3an on 3/16/2009 10:04:38 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah Apple are SO innovative. Just you wait, in a few years time pople will be saying Apple were the first to have copy and paste. Just like the idiots that think they first had a touchscreen.


RE: OMG!
By Aloonatic on 3/17/2009 6:41:00 AM , Rating: 2
Just wait for them to file a patent for it.


RE: OMG!
By drunkenmastermind on 3/16/2009 9:12:40 PM , Rating: 2
Jailbreak and have all the god given functionality you desire.


RE: OMG!
By Chaser on 3/17/2009 7:48:06 AM , Rating: 2
I'll pass thanks.


RE: OMG!
By drunkenmastermind on 3/17/2009 8:59:56 AM , Rating: 2
Are you shaking in your little space boots?


XM Sirius streaming coming to iPhone/iTouch
By Lord 666 on 3/16/2009 1:30:12 PM , Rating: 2
Even though Apple should have bought XM Sirius in my opinion, guess accessing it via application isn't that bad.

Coming soon




RE: XM Sirius streaming coming to iPhone/iTouch
By ksherman on 3/16/2009 1:44:57 PM , Rating: 2
yeah, but that wont be all that big a deal. The burden is/should be on XM to get an App made, not Apple. Not to mention there are already dozens of other radio-esque programs out there, ie Last.fm, Pandora, iheartradio, Public Radio (for the NPR fans) and more. Adding XM means you are just getting streaming versions of XM stations, which is really no big deal. And MLB is adding baseball audio streaming to their MLB App, which is going to be freaking awesome.

And Apple should have bought XM? A failing radio company? Why?


By Lord 666 on 3/17/2009 7:36:52 AM , Rating: 2
A failing satellite company that can be purchased very cheap. Apple would then own the network delivering content enabling anywhere purchase of media and complete control end to end.

It would also position Apple a space in the automotive market competiting with Microsoft. Mix in iPhones with car infotainment Apple style, it would be very popular.


By melgross on 3/16/2009 2:27:34 PM , Rating: 2
Why would they want to buy a company in such trouble? While they gain a decent number of subscribers, the costs to acquire them has been higher than the profits gained. That's why they are in such debt, amongst other reasons.


The real question here is....
By Whaaambulance on 3/16/2009 2:23:51 PM , Rating: 4
Where is Pirks?




RE: The real question here is....
By acase on 3/16/2009 4:02:58 PM , Rating: 2
Good question...I would guess standing outside in line at his local AT&T waiting to buy his new 3.0 Iphone!


RE: The real question here is....
By taber on 3/16/2009 8:53:58 PM , Rating: 2
Shhh, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.


Push
By Alphafox78 on 3/16/2009 1:04:35 PM , Rating: 3
Push notifications were promised last September and they still haven't delivered on those promises...




RE: Push
By Doormat on 3/16/2009 2:10:22 PM , Rating: 2
I think its because Apple realized what a crappy implementation they had originally planed out. It would have a hell of a time scaling up on the server side, as well as poor user experience, and still not even do background processes (like check RSS feeds every 60 minutes).

Doing background apps well on the iPhone will be difficult. What I'd like to see is a way to ask the OS to monitor a port for me, and when a message shows up, send it to some handler I write, and then the handler can decide to interrupt or whatever.

Think of how an IM client works and how it would fit into the 2.0 version of the OS - you could either have it pop a modal (action required) notification in the middle of what you're doing (probably annoying), attach a badge to the icon on the springboard (which you wont see until you exit your current app), or do nothing. There has to be a better way, and I think thats why Apple had to re-engineer a number of things to make it not suck.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of visible but not modal notification system a la the Palm Pre. Now that's not to say they are copying the Pre, because its entirely possible, even likely, that Apple was working on this since late last year, before the Pre was announced.


Gayness
By kayronjm on 3/16/09, Rating: 0
RE: Gayness
By Whaaambulance on 3/17/2009 11:18:30 AM , Rating: 3
This is a fine example of an unbiased, well thought-out, first hand review of the company known as Apple Computers, Inc.


MMS
By Chaser on 3/16/2009 1:26:13 PM , Rating: 2
Not tomorrow!
By melgross on 3/16/2009 2:35:07 PM , Rating: 2
The article is making an incorrect assumption. What is happening tomorrow is an introduction to the software. It's NOT the release of the software, as the article is assuming.

I don't know why they made that mistake, as Apple has made it very clear in its invitations that this was a sneak peek at it. Since it will, no doubt, be given away for free, there's not too many people who will hold off from buying a phone because of it. Though obviously some who don't yet have phones will be waiting until the ADC to see what new ones appear first.

If they also give a sneak peek at some different hardware, that would be a bonus. but it will only happen if it doesn't directly compete with what Apple already has. Otherwise, mum will be the word until it's released.

So to say that Apple will be releasing new hardware now, like a netbook of some kind, because the software is coming tomorrow, is wrong.




I want to see
By Soldier1969 on 3/16/2009 3:15:37 PM , Rating: 2
32 gb, flash support, most important to alot of people is MMS picture messaging, slimmer lighter and even bigger screen.More battery life.. but I will take what I can get. 32gb will be nice and a faster cpu come June. Nice upgrade from my 1st gen Iphone.




By StraightPipe on 3/16/2009 4:03:37 PM , Rating: 2
The iPod Touches I'm responsible for at work are still running V1.something. It costs $10 to upgrade to V2




Flash Support
By makots on 3/16/2009 4:49:49 PM , Rating: 2
How about good ole Adobe and Apple jointly announce Flash support for Safari. It would be bloody about time...




By Anonymous Freak on 3/16/2009 4:59:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This rumor is fueled by the fact that every past x.0 iPhone OS release has corresponded to a new hardware release.


Uh, the pairing of the iPhone 3G with iPhone OS 2.0 does not make for a trend. "every past"? You mean "the one previous". Sorry, but at this point, it's pure speculation. It may be *correct* speculation, but you can't base it on the one previous hardware update.

Heck, there was no software update for the 16 GB original iPhone. And there have been clues in the current iPhone firmware of a hardware update. The hardware update could come before iPhone OS 3.0 goes public.




Mobile Backup?
By lagitup on 3/16/2009 8:44:17 PM , Rating: 2
Is Apple still going to be charging for their Mobile Backup feature? This is another area that, IMHO, they are shooting themselves in the foot in. I got into the Microsoft My Phone beta in 2 weeks, getting more free online storage then I will ever use. Users of Android get free syncing to Google Services. But iPhone users have to pay for MobileMe, if they want wireless backup.

Gfg apple.




By tjr508 on 3/16/2009 8:48:59 PM , Rating: 2
1. iPhone
2. iPhone 3G




We can only hope
By kyleb2112 on 3/16/2009 9:18:39 PM , Rating: 2
I eagerly await the day this glorious innovation by Apple trickles down to the rest of the world.




so
By yacoub on 3/17/2009 9:35:57 AM , Rating: 2
Do you guys see any reason they wouldn't give the iPhone the faster(?) processor of the 2nd gen iPod touch or 32GB capacity?

I'm sure they'll have a 64GB touch ready to go as well, to keep the relative sizings consistent with previous refreshes.




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