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iPhone 4S  (Source: DailyTech)
A lack of hardware updates leaves customers and investors disappointed in the new iPhone 4S

Through a good portion of 2011, many awaited the big iPhone 5 announcement with the traditional amped-up presentation to show off all the new features an Apple fan could hope for. Instead, what they got was the iPhone 4S and a presentation that lacked the charisma of former CEO Steve Jobs.

The iPhone 4S, which was announced yesterday, does give customers a few changes to look forward to. It's trading in the single-core A4 processor for a dual-core A5 processor. Also, it has 8-megapixel camera with backside illumination (the iPhone 4 had a 5MP camera), the new mobile operating system iOS 5, and it can operate on CDMA and GSM networks.

A main addition to the 4S is the voice assistant called Siri. Siri has been a third-party app that could be downloaded for iOS devices, but now, a more fluid and user-friendly version of the app is integrated into the iPhone 4S. The app was removed from Apple's App Store after presenting the 4S yesterday, and the servers were taken offline. The Siri servers, however, are back online with the following message: "I've been replaced! The new Siri is even smarter and better looking than me, and waiting for you on the iPhone 4S. I'll be leaving for home Oct. 15th. Until then...how can I help you?"

While a newer, better version of Siri voice command is a nice addition to the 4S; it may not be enough to encourage current iPhone 4 users to switch to the latest addition to the iPhone family. Many were disappointed by the lack of external changes, saying they had hoped for a thinner phone with a larger screen. The iPhone's appearance has not changed in over a year, unless you count the release of the white iPhone 4.

"It's been 16 months and all you've got is an A5 processor in the existing iPhone 4," said Colin Gillis, an analyst with BGC Partners. "It's a mild disappointment, but they're still going to be selling millions of units."


The iPhone 4S may sell during the upcoming holiday season due to the expiration of two-year 3GS contracts, but Android-powered smartphones are at the top of their game and Apple really could have used a home run with a new device to intensify competition. Android-powered smartphones had voice command features integrated into their systems already, and the hardware/software is continuously changing. Apple's decision to not update hardware in the 4S may lead to more Android-related purchases, putting the iPhone maker behind by the time it releases the iPhone 5.

According to a Nielsen study, Android-powered smartphones are No. 1 in the U.S. with a 43 percent market share leaving the iPhone at No. 2 with a 28 percent market share.

Consumers and investors are disappointed in the 4S release, but Apple has some other tricks up its sleeve. Along with the 4S announcement came the news of a $99 iPhone 4 and a free iPhone 3GS for those who sign long-term contracts with their wireless carriers. This will appeal to low-end markets and give Apple an edge in a whole new area.

"Apple is hitting Nokia where it's vulnerable," said Michael Yoshikami, CEO of YCMNet Advisors. "How many billions of people in emerging markets would love to have an iPhone? These are a growing demographic."

The iPhone 4S will be available starting at $199 on October 14.

Sources: Tech Crunch, Reuters, Reuters



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What ticks me off
By viewwin on 10/5/2011 10:49:17 AM , Rating: 5
My only real complaint was the lack of an increase in screen size.




RE: What ticks me off
By johnbuk on 10/5/2011 11:07:48 AM , Rating: 5
I don't get all the negativity about the announcements. I'm an Android guy and I wasn't going to get whatever it was they announced. But the hardware upgrades (short of no increase in screen size) are pretty significant.
I think their only 2 mistakes with this were that they didn't increase the screen size a bit and go ahead and call it an iPhone 5.


RE: What ticks me off
By NicodemusMM on 10/5/2011 11:16:49 AM , Rating: 5
I believe that another mistake they made was no 4G/LTE/WiMax support. Maybe Apple is starting to apply the same policy they use for their desktops. Make it elegant, over-hype it and use hardware at least one generation behind.

Granted 4G tech isn't as widespread yet, but iPhone users are particularly voracious when it comes to bandwidth consumption. I think implementing it would have given this phone a decent boost and avoided some of the criticism.


RE: What ticks me off
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/5/2011 11:21:41 AM , Rating: 5
I think Anand explained the "no-LTE" decision pretty well here:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4925/why-no-lte-ipho...


RE: What ticks me off
By NicodemusMM on 10/5/2011 11:32:26 AM , Rating: 4
Thanks. I didn't see that.

I think my point still stands, though... Apple is the only major manufacturer without LTE. However, I also understand that this phone will still sell without the latest and greatest. Apple products usually do.


RE: What ticks me off
By MrBlastman on 10/5/2011 11:34:41 AM , Rating: 4
They always have... and out of jealously, they have a history for suing others that try to do similar but in a better way. They've been strongarming since the 1980's. That's a long time to not learn new tricks.


RE: What ticks me off
By retrospooty on 10/5/2011 11:47:12 AM , Rating: 2
"I think my point still stands, though... Apple is the only major manufacturer without LTE"

Exactly... The AT article explains why, sure. Now we know why, great! But all other manufacturers have managed to do it many months ago, except Apple. Now they will be over a year late.


RE: What ticks me off
By Wolfpup on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: What ticks me off
By retrospooty on 10/5/2011 1:28:59 PM , Rating: 2
"I don't see why it matters"

It doesnt if you dont want 4G speeds. It does if you do... Its just odd that Apple, who tout's itself as an industry leader and innovator cannot figure out a 4G solution like all other major manufacturers have. Moto, LG, Samsung and HTC all managed to figure it out many months ago.


RE: What ticks me off
By robinthakur on 10/6/2011 5:51:40 AM , Rating: 2
Well, you say that, but they all have shocking battery life compared to what you get with an IP4/4S. Apple customers wouldn't put up with it and it wouldn't exactly be a great improvement to suddenly have LESS standby time. Also, 4G networks outside of America are not exactly plentiful, so I don't see it as being as big a deal as it was when the iPhone 1 didn't even have 3G. Nobody I know complains that data on the iPhone4 is slow (in the UK).


RE: What ticks me off
By dark matter on 10/6/2011 8:10:47 AM , Rating: 2
Isn't that a consumers choice to make?

And given that most adopters of the iPhone were techies in the first place, don't you find it strange they didn't give them an option to go 4G.

All in all your excuses are rather lame.


RE: What ticks me off
By smegz on 10/6/2011 1:27:45 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, but it wouldn't be a consumers choice would it? With the other phone manufacturers you will get 3G and 4G phones from the same mfg on basically the same hardware (one with a 4G radio and one without.) With Apple, it's what's new or nothing. So, were they to release a 4G iPhone with less battery life but crazy fast speeds you would either have to get the phone that will die fast or the old phone with the old hardware. Not really a choice when you're looking to upgrade.

Since Apple is all about the overall experience I don't see a 4G iPhone until they can get both speed and battery life together without sacrificing design ( putting a 4G chip in on current tech would make for a fatter phone.) This would lead to market fragmentation in the Apple market which there really has never been. So, no 4G is actually a good thing...for now.


RE: What ticks me off
By spread on 10/6/2011 5:20:13 PM , Rating: 2
> Isn't that a consumers choice to make?

Most consumers don't even know what the difference between 2G and 3G is. They just want more monster pixels and jiggy bits in their phone dammnit!


RE: What ticks me off
By adiposity on 10/5/2011 12:38:36 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, but as an Android user, I'm not using LTE, either. Why?, because Motorola didn't put it in the Droid 3--and I wanted a keyboard, and a fairly thin phone.

I was disappointed, but all the LTE devices are fat and drain battery life. Sure, the are Android handsets with LTE, but IMO, the LTE ones are worse than their non-LTE counterparts.

I'm waiting for a process shrink, just like Apple.


RE: What ticks me off
By adiposity on 10/5/2011 12:39:06 PM , Rating: 2
*there are


RE: What ticks me off
By ancient46 on 10/6/2011 12:42:09 PM , Rating: 2
Are you sure this is the whole reason? Maybe it is also that they have not yet found a way to sue other companies for using "their" LTE.


RE: What ticks me off
By bug77 on 10/5/2011 11:22:00 AM , Rating: 3
Eh, put this phone near any of the upcoming Android sets and you'll see a very different story.


RE: What ticks me off
By retrospooty on 10/5/2011 11:50:05 AM , Rating: 3
"Eh, put this phone near any of the upcoming Android sets and you'll see a very different story. "

This is because of variety. On Android, you can get small, med, large screens. Models with and without keyboards, 4g, removable battery etc. With the iphone you get one model. Now the latest iteration of that one model doesn't stack up well with the competition.


RE: What ticks me off
By Reclaimer77 on 10/5/2011 12:21:11 PM , Rating: 1
Of course the updates are "significant", the last time they made a phone was 15 freaking months ago! I should hope the hardware is upgraded. In Android terms 15 months is like 3 years worth of phones upgrades.

For a new iPhone to live up to all the incessant hype we've been fed, it has to have MORE than routine hardware upgrades. There's simply no innovation at all in this design. It's totally underwhelming. They just threw some budget underclocked iPad parts into the same form factor.


RE: What ticks me off
By NellyFromMA on 10/5/2011 1:10:10 PM , Rating: 2
Ironic, seeing as how the iPad was born practically in reverse of the process you just described, lol.


RE: What ticks me off
By Reclaimer77 on 10/5/2011 2:52:41 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Ironic, seeing as how the iPad was born practically in reverse of the process you just described, lol.


lol exactly. Their designs and iOS are just SO boring. The iPhone is a giant iPod touch, and the iPad is just a giant iPhone. But apparently that's "innovative".


RE: What ticks me off
By drycrust3 on 10/5/2011 9:09:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Their designs and iOS are just SO boring.

What Apple have done is very smart business. Coming up with a budget phone is good business for two reasons:
1) It supplies people who can't afford the premium product with a phone that meets their budget. This is using the cash cow philosophy: you can milk the cow as long as you keep feeding it grass and water, or rather, they have what are essentially two good smart phones that with a small amount of effort will keep money rolling into the company coffers. To many people the new phones are boring, but that is the wrong approach. This is taking a phone that has reached the end of its life as a premium phone, but instead of binning it they are giving it another 5 or more years of use as a budget phone, meaning it is profit all the way. This is giving Apple the time and money to build a better premium phone or iPad.
2) This is smart business because HP and Nokia have opted out of mobile devices when they had everything going for them. That leaves, literally, just Apple and Google to fight over the spoils. Don't forget that in just 4 years time about half of the 1 billion internet users world wide will buy a mobile device so they can access the internet while on the move. That is 500 million mobile devices. Many of those users will be in countries where an Apple phone was a dream to about 80% of the population, but now, with these new phones (which are really just modernisations of the old phones), an iPhone or iPad becomes attainable. If HP and Nokia had been smart they could have been supplying that market of 500 million devices, but they have thrown in the towel before the bun fight even started.
3) This is good business because it gives people a "stocking filler" at a time of economic uncertainty. And when people get one of these budget iPhones, they won't look cheap, they will have the same look and feel and quality as the premium phones. I think the people that get one of these a Christmas will be very grateful to Apple, and that won't be forgotten when looking around to make their next mobile or computer purchase.
All in all, I think Apple are on to a winner here.


RE: What ticks me off
By dajeepster on 10/6/2011 3:33:13 AM , Rating: 2
What Apple have done is very smart business. Coming up with a budget phone

you kinda lost me with that one. the only reason that Apple now has a budget phone, is because they have competition from companies with less expensive phones and no one is willing to spend $400 dollars anymore when they can get a phone for much less that does the exact same thing.


RE: What ticks me off
By dark matter on 10/6/2011 8:12:19 AM , Rating: 2
omg, seriously, you're now telling us apple has invented budget phones..

GTFO.


RE: What ticks me off
By robinthakur on 10/6/2011 6:36:37 AM , Rating: 3
It's not really telling the whole story to say that the iPad is a large iPhone...I used to think that before I was issued one by work. The Apps which are written for the iPad are optimised for the iPad. If you look at the mail client or calendar, for example the layout is different to take advantage of the extra real estate. Browsing the web on the iPad and other tasks which benefit from the larger form factor like word processing, and document creation is infinitely easer on the larger screen.

Whilst it might be intriguing technically for the iPad to run Meego, the iPhone to run Android and the iPod Touch to run WinPhone7, people that buy the devices appreciate that they all operate similarly and can share apps/documents/pictures/music between them seamlessly using iCloud. They are boring in the sense that they are appliances that run reliably, I suppose you could say. I installed iOS5 on iPad2 and iPhone4 last night, and so far am impressed by the iCloud integration and the other changes which are just seamless.


RE: What ticks me off
By BSMonitor on 10/6/2011 11:30:28 AM , Rating: 3
Funny how most Android users in those 3 years of updates cannot find a single phone that holds a charge for even half a day..

You can always spot Android users. All hundled around the outlets.


RE: What ticks me off
By hyvonen on 10/9/2011 5:36:23 AM , Rating: 2
My Atrix is fine for three days on a single charge in my relatively light use. You should monitor your own BS.


RE: What ticks me off
By VahnTitrio on 10/5/2011 12:23:34 PM , Rating: 2
Because with this Apple only went far enough to catch up to Android devices. Android device makers have their foot on the gas and have better devices already rearing their heads. What I think people wanted to see was something ahead of the pack, whereas this slightly trailed the pack. The question has always been "can Apple keep up in the mobile world?" It's tough to answer yes to that question after yesterday's event.


RE: What ticks me off
By nikon133 on 10/5/2011 6:26:22 PM , Rating: 2
I think major problem here is - most people will even not notice changes from 4 to 4s.

Faster hardware - but 4 was already silky smooth and fast as. I don't think faster hardware will be noticeable in normal phone tasks - texting, calling, mailing. All the games I have already work nice on my old 3Gs (Birds, Cut the Rope, Flight Control...)... eventually there will be games to take advantage of faster hardware, but how many people will be interested in those games, and how many games will benefit?

In my opinion, not enough.

Camera - not something people change phone for, in my opinion. Plus, we still have to see that new camera will be able to keep or improve quality over iP4 while boosting resolution.

On the other side, what people would notice - bigger screen (even with same resolution) and different case (without vulnerable glass back) did not happen.

Loyal 3G/3Gs owners will upgrade, but hey - they would likely upgrade to iP4 should Apple decided not to release anything this year. For others (like me), I don't think new phone feels (and it definitely doesn't look) different enough and exciting enough.


RE: What ticks me off
By wifiwolf on 10/5/2011 7:39:03 PM , Rating: 2
No, the problem is that they didn't change the looks enough and there's not so much marketing around it that makes the perceived value meet the expectations they always give users every time they announce a new phone.


RE: What ticks me off
By robinthakur on 10/6/2011 5:47:41 AM , Rating: 2
That's not a mistake. That's in the iPhone 5. The 4S is a bit of a stop-gap solution until that gets released Q1-2 next year. They are following 'Tick-tock' cadency with the next release being the significant one. This was completely expected and was telegraphed months ago, people just have unrealisitic expectations!

The move of the manufacturing process to a smaller architecture by Qualcom can be held responsible for no iPhone5 right now. Current LTE WiMax is far too power hungry for Apple customers to stomach (unless they give it a bigger battery and thicker profile) and the architecture for 4G is not ready outside of the US (the UK for example)

Myself, I could use the bump in graphics and processing of the 4S, but know i'd be severely ticked off if I then had to buy an iPhone 5 outright when that came out next year as I'd be in the middle of an 18 month contract. Will play with one when all my friends upgrade on the 24th (in the UK) and see what I think. Tech-envy is a harsh mistress!


RE: What ticks me off
By Wolfpup on 10/5/2011 12:15:27 PM , Rating: 1
I totally agree. I was hoping for a 4" (or thereabouts) screen, and am somewhat disappointed it's still 3.5".

But other than that...what are people complaining about?

"No new hardware"? Whaaaaat? It went from a single core A8, to a dual core A9 + 2 more powerful GPUs. I already know from the iPad 2 that it feels about 90 bajillion times faster than the A8/SGX 535(?) of the last gen parts.

This reminds me of when the 3GS gets released, and everyone complains, and doesn't seem to get that THIS IS A MUCH BIGGER UPDATE THAN THE LAST ONE WAS! Ditto for this time.

It's disturbing that apparently all most people go by is exterior looks.

Heck, Apple even CLAIMS the antenna system is better.

I'd have a hard time not buying one if U.S. Cellular had one...


RE: What ticks me off
By torpor on 10/5/2011 12:51:03 PM , Rating: 5
You have to understand why people buy Apple products to understand why this release is a disappointment.

Most people don't buy Apple stuff because they think it's (faster, lighter, easier, better) technology.

They buy Apple - especially the phone and pod - as a conspicuous-consumption fashion accessory. And if it's not obvious you spent big bucks for the new one, it's not worth it.

If Apple would have glued a pair of googly eyes to the back side, everyone would have been gaga over it.


RE: What ticks me off
By Some1ne on 10/5/2011 6:17:16 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, it's a *phone*. How much screen do you want?


RE: What ticks me off
By spread on 10/6/2011 5:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
12 inch screen and I want the phone to be no larger than my hand. Impossible? Welcome to design by committee.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/5/2011 10:46:39 AM , Rating: 5
So, people have been enjoying the Siri app from the App Store, then...

1) Apple makes some improvements to Siri
2) Integrates it into the iPhone 4S
3) Removes Siri app from App Store
4) Tells current Siri app users to enjoy the fun while it lasts
5) Shuts down Siri servers on October 15
6) Tell sad panda Siri owners to buy an iPhone 4S

"Cold as ice!"




By sviola on 10/5/2011 11:06:23 AM , Rating: 3
Typical monopolist behaviour...

Kill products and services available by bundling them into a new product and force all current users to move to the new service...


By wookie1 on 10/6/2011 12:55:09 PM , Rating: 2
Those damn monopolists, controlling the market with their overwhelming 28% (and rapidly falling) share! We need some regulator to come in here and demand that Siri be available for all!

It seems like the consumers have plenty of power to vote with their wallets. If this is an important feature, or consumers feel sleighted, they will continue the move to other platforms.


By MrBlastman on 10/5/2011 11:12:52 AM , Rating: 4
Welcome to the world of Apple. It is a happy place where they force you to pay up, keep paying up... or get out. Somehow they have to fatten their already absurdly fat profits.

I still hold out a small amount of hope that the world will wise up to their nasty ways someday. It is a sliver, just a tiny, thin sliver.


By Mitch101 on 10/5/2011 11:59:57 AM , Rating: 3
Apple marketing is successful in selling consumers a personality or status level. Much like 99% of the people who go to wine tasting. Just because they go to wine tasting they feel they are above those who drink a beer. The wine glass in their hand over a beer makes them better than you.

Ill stick to my beer
Windows Phone 7.5 'Mango' killer feature - Voice-to-text
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/windows-phone-7...


By MrBlastman on 10/5/2011 12:28:22 PM , Rating: 2
Image is everything, that is until you are dead. After which, you are nothing more than a rotting, ugly corpse. I wonder if Apple will look like a rotting, ugly corpse behind all that plastic and metal facade they hide behind when they falter?

But, you're right. Apple sells status--and well, if a bunch of stinking monkies can get together and throw their crap around to find a common ground and feel good about themselves, I guess they can. They've achieved status and status well, is only as good as your company. When your company is crap, well then, what is your status? (please do not construe company with company as in apple but rather company as in compatriots--or not, read as you wish).

Image is not everything I argue. I just wish others would see it as so. Substance is everything, image merely compliments it. Though, the Mythbusters did prove you can polish a "poop." Maybe Apple knew this far earlier and has been doing it for years?


By retrospooty on 10/5/2011 11:52:31 AM , Rating: 2
" 1) Apple makes some improvements to Siri
2) Integrates it into the iPhone 4S
3) Removes Siri app from App Store
4) Tells current Siri app users to enjoy the fun while it lasts
5) Shuts down Siri servers on October 15
6) Tell sad panda Siri owners to buy an iPhone 4S

"Cold as ice!"


That is really crappy of them to do. It will be interesting to see how Tony Squash and the other Mac zealots spin this behaviour.


By Mitch101 on 10/5/2011 12:15:32 PM , Rating: 2
Most likely in denial about Apple being a two trick pony show.

It was 400 5 days ago?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=aapl

Their only hope is China. Uh Oh!

5 Reasons Chinese Consumers Should Avoid the iPhone 4S
http://www.penn-olson.com/2011/10/05/china-iphone4...

1. The Siri voice input feature doesn’t support Chinese
2. The iPhone 4S looks the same as the iPhone 4
3. You’ll get Chinese email service support in iOS 5 anyway
4. Still no choice of telcos in China
5. Rival phones and OSes now much stronger


By Mitch101 on 10/5/2011 12:19:56 PM , Rating: 2
A supposed leaked document from Amazon shows Kindle Fire pre-sales are about to surpass those of the iPad, which would instantly make it the fastest-selling tablet of all time.
http://gizmodo.com/5846811/kindle-fire-pre+sales-m...


By retrospooty on 10/5/2011 2:42:31 PM , Rating: 3
"Frankly who cares"

Nice non-answer. I will ask again worded differently.

What do you think about Apple's decision to put Siri into the new device, remove Siri from the app store and disable Siri for those that currently use it on older devices so the only way to use it is by buying a new iphone.


By retrospooty on 10/5/2011 7:04:58 PM , Rating: 1
Actually its exactly things like this that makes me NOT want buy Apple products... But I am glad for Apple's existence. They push things along and make others more competitive. If not for Apple, Win 7 and Android wouldnt be so good as they are, so no, I dont want Apple to fail, I wish them the best and hope sales are high. I do think if they would make more options and stop doing crap like this it would help them. Imagine a slightly smaller iphone and a slightly larger one with a 4.5+ inch screen. Maybe even a removable battery, or even a qwerty model. They would sell way more phones and have less Napolean syndrome.

I do love to hear you defend even their sleeziest of moves though. It shows that you are here only to promote Apple and have zero logic or open-minded thinking on it.


By Reclaimer77 on 10/5/2011 2:47:29 PM , Rating: 1
Because it goes back to how they do things. We don't like it. Apple plays very dirty and they try to control everything too much. This is just another example. Shamelessly taking an App off the market to force/bundle it with the 4S. So people with an older iPhone either have to jailbreak their phone to run the apps they want, or of course, buy the newest iToy.

The more and more advanced these phones get, the more these phones practically become computers. And to hell with owning an Apple computer. We all know how that worked out for them and those unfortunate enough to get roped into it.

We want to run the software we want, when we want, and how we want without risking a "jailbreak". We want to change our own battery or at least have the ability to. And we want a memory card slot so we can add storage to our devices instead of paying for the $500 ripoff "upgraded memory" editions. These are just a few of the dealbreakers.

You can't seem to grasp these concepts, or just shrug them off as being irrelevant, so don't worry about why we care.


By retrospooty on 10/5/2011 3:21:48 PM , Rating: 2
This is as if MS only offered Office on Windows 7, disabled the use of office on older PC's and removed office from stores and only offered it wit a new PC or W7 purchase... While not allowing openoffice, or any competing product to be used. Can you imagine the fallout if MS behaved this way?


By Onimuto on 10/5/2011 4:27:15 PM , Rating: 1
Some of us alot of us who own iPhone 4s have siri app. Who cares well all of us who have the fuckin app. Tony wtf is up with you Jesus. Apples been pissing me off with their attack on sumsung and I don't own anything made buy same samsung (I indirectly own chips that are used in devices like my 3 iPhones and other electronics. My HDTV isn't samsun but they sure have samsung chips)
Now this, apple is getting way to big of an ego. Now they shit on the people who purchased iPhones buy doing this. To try to force me to upgrade to the useless iPhone 4s. Who in their right mind really need to upgrade to and iPhone 4 there is no real preformace incress. That's like someone going from sandybridge to ivy bridge with intel. Just like that I have a I-7 sandy bridge no point in looking at ivy bridge just wait till haswell. But you defending apple on this one I do not get. Your seroiusly are a blind fanboy warshiper. Hope a class action lawsuit arises becuase of this.


By luseferous on 10/6/2011 1:22:10 PM , Rating: 1
What a low tactic! (and it is)

Directx10 cough cough.


Because it's Apple?
By Apone on 10/5/2011 12:20:35 PM , Rating: 2
One thing I've observed about Apple fans touting their "superior" products is how they always push its overall awesomeness. Now I notice these non-techy people are trying to become techies by pitching hardware specs as selling points which Apple has obviously addressed with the iPhone 4S. IPhone fans never mentioned dual-core processors before and now the snappier dual-core A5 is in there, customers are disappointed? Also most didn't care the iPhone 4 wasn't 4G (or assumed it was) and even the 4S is still 3G, Apple fans are complaining?




RE: Because it's Apple?
By adiposity on 10/5/2011 12:53:31 PM , Rating: 2
I think what's going on is people are saying "nothing changed." Others (probably some apple fanboys, but not all) are saying, "wait a minute, the processor got a huge upgrade!"

Regardless of whether the iPhone is about specs, if you take the same phone (which already performs very well) and increase the processing power significantly, it's going to make a big difference. In this case, it will make a big difference for games that can be supported.

In general, though, Apple (and fans) are probably right to not do direct hardware comparisons to Android handsets (except for the retina display)--they would lose any direct comparisons, and the comparisons are meaningless.

The biggest problem for Android performance right now is not the hardware--it's the bloatware. And it grows with every new phone. On my Droid3, after rooting, I removed 58 bloatware apps.


RE: Because it's Apple?
By lightfoot on 10/5/2011 4:18:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
In this case, it will make a big difference for games that can be supported.

Are you suggesting that the iPhone 4S will support games that the iPhone 4 cannot? Wouldn't that cause fragmentation in the marketplace??

How will people know which Apps their phone supports?! It'll be as bad as the Android market place, only worse!


RE: Because it's Apple?
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 5:51:04 PM , Rating: 2
It's happened before with software running on the 3GS or 4 and not the ancient 3G, and It'll happen again as hardware gets faster and faster.

It doesn't bother me, I replace parts or my entire gaming PC more often than I do my phone, and that's much more expensive. People replacing their smartphones every 2-3 years seems like it's going to be more and more common.

quote:
How will people know which Apps their phone supports?!


It gives a list of supported hardware and OS requirements right on the store page. Here's an example: http://itunes.apple.com/app/infinity-blade/id38742...


RE: Because it's Apple?
By lightfoot on 10/5/2011 7:20:05 PM , Rating: 2
I was kidding; simply regurgitating another baseless argument that is always tossed around at Android.

Fragmentation is a non-issue for Apple, just as it is a non-issue for Android.

Apple is the only company I can think of that has ever used "fragmentation" as an excuse to not update their product lines.


RE: Because it's Apple?
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 5:36:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
they would lose any direct comparisons, and the comparisons are meaningless.


This is incorrect. Based on Anand's benchmarks from earlier this year, even an underclocked PowerVR GPU in the A5 would steamroll the fastest SoCs currently available in Android handsets. Then there's the fact that iOS actually has developers who actually put the GPU to use.


RE: Because it's Apple?
By adiposity on 10/5/2011 6:24:17 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, that might be true. The GPU in iPhones is definitely better than in most Android handsets. Add that to my list of caveats.

There's still screen size, keyboard, camera (specs), CPU, which on paper tend to look better for Android phones.


RE: Because it's Apple?
By croc on 10/5/2011 5:55:22 PM , Rating: 2
What's up with the bullsh1t-sounding 'retina display' thingy, anyway... The retina is a collection of 125M photo-sensitive receptors, it does not 'display' anything. It just collects light samples, and converts them into electrical impulses for the brain to interpret...

Bullsh1t in marketingspeak is 'rose-growth-enhancer'.


It is over.
By CoreGamer on 10/5/2011 12:25:09 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is done. The new Nexus Prime looks even thinner than the SGSII and it has a very attractive curved display. It is going to be everything the iPhone5 failed to be. Google is going to beat Apple at their own game. Almost everyone I know who has an iPhone was thinking about switching to Android but were holding out for the iP5. Google is going to capitalize on the huge mistake Apple made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM9RO-GAKjE&feature...




RE: It is over.
By xti on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: It is over.
By adiposity on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: It is over.
By Reclaimer77 on 10/5/2011 2:01:24 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Most iPhone users don't even know the word "Android."


So they're either have Downs or have been living in a cave?

Great endorsement you have there for the typical iPhone user's intelligence and knowledge of current events lol.

Hint; using myopic sampling sizes and extreme exaggerations of one's ignorance to make your point doesn't actually help your case.


RE: It is over.
By Tony Swash on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: It is over.
By Reclaimer77 on 10/5/2011 2:32:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Here is a question - what is the top selling food mixer in the US? The second most popular? What about trying to name the top four manufacturers of DVD players in order of market penetration?


Here's an answer - that's a bad analogy because you never hear about those. I can't remember seeing a commercial or web add for a food processor or DVD players. When a food mixer maker spends billions on advertising, give me a call.

On the other hand it's literally impossible for you to watch media, surf the web, or drive down the road and NOT see adds or something, anything, about Android and Apple. Both entities have been doing a full court media blitz for years now.

Just stop. It's so silly how you Apple people constantly need to marginalize, segregate, or outright discriminate people to make your points. There is no "normal people" vs "non normal". Just stop! We're all normal people. You don't need to be an Android "techie" to know about the presence of Android. You have it in your head that this tiny portion of people only choose Androids because they exist to hate Apple, get a clue. You have to be living in a cave to NOT know about it.

quote:
Outside of the small minority of techie obsessives Android has no brand presence


Right, that's a pretty impressive statement considering Android outsells Apple handsets. I guess more people are "techie non normals" or whatever. It doesn't matter why, it only matters that they aren't choosing Apple.

The Tony Reality Distortion field running in peak form.


RE: It is over.
By kingmotley on 10/5/2011 3:39:12 PM , Rating: 2
Most of the people that are not in the tech field that I know, simply do not know what Android is. In fact, most don't even know the model of the phone they have, just that it did what they wanted it to do when they bought it. Some don't even know their carrier, unless you ask them who they make their check out to every month.


RE: It is over.
By cjohnson2136 on 10/5/2011 3:44:21 PM , Rating: 2
Then the people you know are idiots and are not counted as "normal" either.


RE: It is over.
By adiposity on 10/5/2011 5:45:31 PM , Rating: 2
Someone just walked into my office at work. My buddy was working on setting up his TouchPad he ordered from HP so he can put Android on it.

She asked if he got a new iPad. He said "no, this is a touchpad." She said, "what's the difference between an iPad and a TouchPad?"

This is a perfectly reasonable question and does not make her an idiot. She just doesn't know any more than "iPad" when she sees a tablet. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about.


RE: It is over.
By xti on 10/5/2011 7:29:30 PM , Rating: 2
when will DT people realize that they are a tiny minority?


RE: It is over.
By Tony Swash on 10/5/2011 6:32:46 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Just stop. It's so silly how you Apple people constantly need to marginalize, segregate, or outright discriminate people to make your points.


This from the man who said this in the original comment I was responding to.

quote:
Great endorsement you have there for the typical iPhone user's intelligence and knowledge of current events lol.


Then you say this

quote:
Right, that's a pretty impressive statement considering Android outsells Apple handsets. I guess more people are "techie non normals" or whatever. It doesn't matter why, it only matters that they aren't choosing Apple.


People are buying Android phones but only a small minority positively look for Android. Most just buy a phone because they see an advert, the guy in the phone shop recommends it, they see a friend with it, it's the same brand they had before, it's cheaper. Take a poll of a hundred average Android handset purchasers and ask them to name the top four Android brands. Just ask a hundred average Android handset purchasers what OS their phone runs. All the evidence, all the surveys, all the test of brand awareness will tell you that that Apple have built an emblematic brand with the iPhone and that the Android brand is weak. That's just the way it is.

Apple just entered the top ten of the world's best global brands by the way

http://www.interbrand.com/en/best-global-brands/be...


RE: It is over.
By DoctorBeer on 10/6/2011 12:34:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Most just buy a phone because they see an advert, the guy in the phone shop recommends it, they see a friend with it, it's the same brand they had before, it's cheaper.


Yea the same doesn't happen with the Iphone huh?

Can I have a sip of the kool-aid your drinking, it seems awfully strong.


RE: It is over.
By adiposity on 10/5/2011 2:42:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Great endorsement you have there for the typical iPhone user's intelligence and knowledge of current events lol.


I didn't say iPhone users were tech savvy. Typically, they aren't. It's just a joke to think any significant number of them will be moving to Android any time soon.

I'm serious. They ask if I have an iPhone. I say "no." They seem shocked, since I am really into devices. I say, "well, I have an Android phone." They stare blankly. I say, "it's kind of like an iPhone, but on mine I have a keyboard." They look slightly less confused. Tomorrow I say "Android" and get the same blank stare.

They don't care. They don't know what IOS is. They have an iPhone and are happy. This is why Apple is successful. They made a device that people like and they don't need to know any tech speak to use it.


RE: It is over.
By Reclaimer77 on 10/5/2011 3:00:10 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'm serious. They ask if I have an iPhone. I say "no." They seem shocked, since I am really into devices. I say, "well, I have an Android phone." They stare blankly. I say, "it's kind of like an iPhone, but on mine I have a keyboard." They look slightly less confused. Tomorrow I say "Android" and get the same blank stare.


So because you know vapid idiots, that means something in an argument?

I mean seriously, come on now, it's the end of 2011 and you're trying to tell me you know THAT many people who literally think Apple makes the only phone on the planet? There's nobody out there like that worth even bringing up. So what?

Wtf does tech savvy have to do with your argument? That's like saying someone is "tech savvy" because they know Ford makes vehicles too, not just Chevrolet. It's called "common knowledge"! Ever heard of it?

Again making people seem REALLY dense and ignorant of basic current events doesn't actually make an argument good or even relevant. Try again.


RE: It is over.
By adiposity on 10/5/2011 5:05:45 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
So because you know vapid idiots, that means something in an argument?


They aren't vapid idiots. They just don't care about technology the way some of us do.

quote:
I mean seriously, come on now, it's the end of 2011 and you're trying to tell me you know THAT many people who literally think Apple makes the only phone on the planet?


I never said that.

quote:
Wtf does tech savvy have to do with your argument? That's like saying someone is "tech savvy" because they know Ford makes vehicles too, not just Chevrolet. It's called "common knowledge"! Ever heard of it?


The name of phone operating systems is not common knowledge. Sorry, but it's not. You are comparing OSes that has been around a few years to a car company that has been around over a century? Yeah, people know about Ford. That doesn't mean they know about Android.

quote:
Again making people seem REALLY dense and ignorant of basic current events doesn't actually make an argument good or even relevant. Try again.


Look, the original poster has this pipe dream that all the iPhone users are going to leave in droves for the Nexus, based on his 5 friends that are all planning to switch. I call bullshit. I respond with my anecdotal data that says just the opposite. I am aware my data is no better than his, because it is not a world-wide survey. The point was, maybe he knows some people who are happy with iPhones--well, I know some people who are very happy, and don't know anything about the unreleased Nexus--and they don't even know what Android is.

Get as angry as you like, but Android hardware has been superior to iPhone hardware for a long time, yet people keep buying iPhones. Either there's a lot of "vapid idiots" out there, or you are missing something.


RE: It is over.
By adiposity on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: It is over.
By xti on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
Bollocks its hardware....
By Amiga500 on 10/5/2011 10:58:46 AM , Rating: 5
The problem for the iSheep is that the exterior isn't different so they cannot easily show off their new toy to the other iSheep who just have a mere iphone4.

It is a problem of Apple's own making.

If you have idiots as customers, expect them to put emphasis on idiotic reasons for differentiation between products.




RE: Bollocks its hardware....
By edge929 on 10/5/2011 3:59:47 PM , Rating: 2
+1 to you sir


RE: Bollocks its hardware....
By Aloonatic on 10/5/2011 4:04:05 PM , Rating: 2
Was there much difference in how a 3G and 3GS looked?

Simply being "dual core" will probably be enough of an excuse for an "iSheep" to kick off a conversation in order to show off. That Android users have been able to boast the same thing for a while is neither here, nor there, of course.

Let's not forget, iPhone users are rarely shy about pointing out that they have an iPhone to anyone within earshot, so saying that it's the latest iPhone probably wont be too hard for them to achieve too.

Apple will probably do well with it still, despite what everyone her is saying. This is the site that said [wished] that the iPad would be a massive flop after all.


RE: Bollocks its hardware....
By Roffles on 10/5/2011 5:49:28 PM , Rating: 4
Meanwhile, last weekend I was trying to show off voice commands and LTE on my Bionic to a group of my iPhone having friends. I felt compelled because most of them use and only see the iPhone in their day-to-day lives. As a result, they talk about their phones as if no other phone on earth can do the same things. "Did you hear the new iPhone is going to do thisssss", and "Did you hear the new iPhone is going to do thaaaaat".

When they mentioned Siri, and assuming Apple's speech recognition implementation would be very similar to Android, I wanted to demonstrate on my Bionic the strengths and weaknesses of this tech. Like how it's almost useless in noisy environments and how you need to enunciate your words to get the best results. Basically, that it's only useful in car, office and home...not really something you bust out in the middle of a crowded and noisy city square and get cracking on finding a pizzeria.

I did a few of the basic voice commands; "play band", "nagivate to", "show map of", "send e-mail to", "send text to" and then I did a few voice command web searches. Finally, I loaded an HD youtube video to show off the instant buffer on LTE and how cool videos look on a 4.3" display.

They didn't care at all. They didn't even feign interest. As I recall, their expressions were blank. These people are not tech savvy and did not care how functional my phone is....for them, it's about conformity and accessorizing. I showed off my phone to some iPhone having coworkers and got similar reactions. That's when I truly realized what it means to be an "iSheep".

Anand's article on 28nm integrated LTE has me thinking it won't be until mid-2012 that we even see an LTE enabled iPhone5. I just want to know how far Apple needs to fall behind the Android juggernaut before these sorts of people snap out of their daze. It's a strange feeling to have a really nice phone and get treated like a retarded non-conformist because it doesn't have an apple logo.


New Apple release strategy?
By davemacgb on 10/5/2011 4:14:52 PM , Rating: 2
Apple have just repeated what they did with the 3G and the 3GS. Outwardly they looked very much the same it was the internals that were different. Keeping the same external design is probably to protect all the accessory manufacturers that make a mint from cases and covers. Similar to the micro USB power adapter they are releasing in Europe.

Will anyone be surprised if the next phone is the 5, and thats followed by the 5S that will look the same but have better internals?




RE: New Apple release strategy?
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 5:40:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, a "tick-tock" approach seems like what they're going to be doing.


RE: New Apple release strategy?
By shabby on 10/5/2011 6:37:23 PM , Rating: 2
That strategy might of worked back in the 3g/3gs days when android phones were a snooze fest. But flash forward to today and you have a company like samsung releasing 6 different sgs2 phones, a large galaxy note and the nexus prime to boot... that tick/tock strategy might not seem like a good idea anymore. Add htc/motorola/lg and others to the mix and apples lack of choice might be their downfall.


By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 9:02:51 PM , Rating: 2
Could be true. We'll see, but we're currently at a point of diminishing returns where things are "good enough". Displays are really good, SoCs are really good and improving at an insane rate, etc etc.

Specwise the iPhone 4S is really far ahead of the pack, at least until Tegra 3 drops, then we'll see how it stacks up once it is benchmarked. Based on Anand's benchmarks from earlier this year, even an underclocked PowerVR GPU in the A5 would steamroll the fastest SoCs currently available in Android handsets. Then there's the fact that iOS actually has developers who put the GPU to use.

Right now the main thing that needs to be added is LTE, and Anand also explained that the size of the hardware will be an issue for the iPhone's chassis until next year when 28nm chips are available. Battery life is another problem, it would be unacceptable for an iPhone to drop from eight hours of talk time to three hours like you get with a Galaxy II. 28nm chips will be much more power efficient and finally make sense for the iPhone, as long battery life is one of the things it takes seriously.

Lack of hardware diversity only matters in one respect, the keyboard, and we all know that the iPhone isn't getting one. Otherwise the technology is fast, faster than Tegra 2 or Hummingbird, now the main thing that matters to people is the OS, developer support, and ease of use, and those are all major strengths of the iOS platform.


Disappointed
By Zigazoid on 10/5/2011 11:00:02 AM , Rating: 2
I thought with the delay Apple would have made a few more changes. It is still a great phone but if you are already using the most current model I have no idea why you would switch.

Siri not being available on any other Apple device is disappointing as well.




RE: Disappointed
By B-Unit on 10/5/2011 12:04:17 PM , Rating: 2
I thought Siri was part of iOS5 rather than the 4GS specifically?


RE: Disappointed
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 5:39:14 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I don't see the big deal. The internals got a big upgrade, not enough for me to get a new phone because what I have is good enough and I have another year on my contract, but its a good one. It seems like some people are pissed that it didn't get a new case or something, which is silly given that the external elements (especially the screen) are so good.


Wait......
By winged_wolf on 10/5/2011 3:26:24 PM , Rating: 2
Do correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Siri part of iOS5 and not the 4S? So theoretically it wouldn't be limited to just the 4s.




RE: Wait......
By wookie1 on 10/6/2011 12:59:19 PM , Rating: 2
I've wondered this also. I don't see what hardware limitation the 4 would have compared to the 4S, especially since people have been using the app already, so I figured it was just an iOS5 thing. Perhaps Apple will disable Siri for the iPhone 4 though, in hopes of driving people to the 4S.


It's just another iphone
By masamasa on 10/5/2011 11:19:47 AM , Rating: 2
Nothing innovative....just the 'look and feel' since they patented the color white. =P




By johnsmith9875 on 10/5/2011 11:29:16 AM , Rating: 2
Rename the iPhone 4S to the iPhone 5 and offer it in 5 different colors, nobody would notice the diff.




so...
By NellyFromMA on 10/5/2011 1:06:48 PM , Rating: 2
So the update basically buts it somewhat on par with current gen phones? Now THATS magic if I ever saw it.




By pixelslave on 10/5/2011 1:24:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"How many billions of people in emerging markets would love to have an iPhone? These are a growing demographic."


Without a contract, the iPhone 3GS won't be free and the iPhone 4 won't be $99. With a contract -- how many billions of people in emerging markets can afford a bloody voice+data contract? Unless the carriers in those market consider the cheaper iPhones a featured phone, I can't see poor people there rush to sign up. Look, many of those folks are using dumb phones not because they like it, but they can't afford the more expensive plans.




?
By km9v on 10/5/2011 3:01:12 PM , Rating: 2
Is the Apple bubble about to burst?




Antennas
By Dennis Travis on 10/5/2011 3:09:30 PM , Rating: 2
There was one other change, a Dual Antenna system that switches for best signal. That could also be a significant improvement.




What goes around, comes around
By Gondor on 10/5/2011 3:25:04 PM , Rating: 2
Samsung seeks ban on sales of iPhone 4S :)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/201110...

Let's hope Apple gets served a dose of their own medicine.




iPhone 4s = Nintendo 3DS
By conmildemonios on 10/5/2011 6:49:17 PM , Rating: 2
So apple pulled a "nintendo" by offering new hardware on a similar shell, similar name.




Apple's biggest mistake...
By Jeff7181 on 10/6/2011 8:44:30 AM , Rating: 2
Apple's biggest mistake was not talking about it at all before this announcement. It lead to hype and false hope of a new phone rather than another S revision of the previous phone.

People are saying the 4S is what the 4 should have been. That may be true, but that can be said for EVERY new product. That Chevy should have been getting 40 mpg all along. That lawn mower should have been self propelled 60 years ago. The fact of the matter is, small hops in technology are easier and result in fewer problems than giant leaps.

And as far as the lackluster presentation... give the guy a break. Steve Jobs was apparently on his death bed at the time. I'm sure new technology was not the only thing on his mind at that point in time.




What is this talk about antennas?
By ZZm12 on 10/6/2011 8:51:36 AM , Rating: 2
Friend of mine who works for GSM network manufacturer had tested the new iP4S and said: It's the fastest LTE phone out there and the automatic antenna switching is amazing. When lot of other phones drop the signal the iP4S keeps going, it should work really well inside buildings and moving vehicles. But iP4S doesn't have LTE like the other phones have?

My son dropped me from my high horse when I was lamenting the iP4S screen size of being too small, he said: "You stupid, why don't you just bring it 2" closer to your eyes and you get your 4" screen, with the retina display you won't still see the pixels and the phone still fits nicely in your pocket". Duh!, smart ass, but he's right. I'm testing several HTC and Android phones and yes, I can see the pixels, they didn't bother me until now.




By FaceMaster on 10/11/2011 4:19:07 PM , Rating: 2
...HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA




It will do well because of Sprint
By Dug on 10/5/2011 1:56:35 PM , Rating: 1
The iphone has been successful because it generally is faster, lighter, and easier to use. Is it the best in all categories? No, but as a complete package it is up at the top.

The OS is consistent and the user experience is consistent. It is very easy for a consumer to pick up an iphone and start using it. Not so with Android phones.

I don't know one Android user that is truly happy after using an iPhone. They want the simplicity back to just get things done.

This is from an IT person that has 150 users on both devices.

I get to many people with Androids, that have different settings menus, different os versions, different icons and hardware requirements for apps, etc. And that confuses the average consumer that doesn't have time to look into that kind of stuff.

I would say 50 people have already jumped ship to Sprint because of the cheaper unlimited plan. I can see even more after they get the iphone.




market share
By xti on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: market share
By cjohnson2136 on 10/5/2011 11:44:43 AM , Rating: 1
So Windows has about 90% of the market...same argument but does it really matter...no


Consumers ... are disappointed in the 4S release?
By Tony Swash on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
By Jereb on 10/5/2011 5:17:49 PM , Rating: 1
Not all consumers may be disappointed but investors sure where with that share dive they did yesterday.


I don't know why people are complaining
By amanojaku on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: I don't know why people are complaining
By NicodemusMM on 10/5/2011 11:10:46 AM , Rating: 3
So true. How else would they have 100% of the market... oh, wait.


By adiposity on 10/5/2011 12:43:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So true. How else would they have 100% of the market... oh, wait.


I'm very happy Apple doesn't have 100% of the market. But lack of marketshare doesn't mean a phone isn't "perfect." Price can be a barrier, as well as carrier support.


By room200 on 10/5/2011 11:34:48 AM , Rating: 5
Unless you hold it wrong.


"A lot of people pay zero for the cellphone ... That's what it's worth." -- Apple Chief Operating Officer Timothy Cook














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