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An Apple fan bends over inside his tent in Denmark.  (Source: Engadget)

New York was a zoo, but an orderly one.  (Source: Engadget)

Chicago wasn't too crazy, but there was a solid contingent of fans outside.  (Source: Engadget)
Today marks Apple's biggest product release of the year

Many people across the country have caught a fever, and the only medicine is more iPhone.  Large lines formed outside Apple stores in major cities across the U.S., in anticipation of the 8 AM release of the long-awaited 3G version of Apple's iconic smart phone. 

The launch was truly an intriguing global phenomenon.

The lines were shorter than the original iPhone release at Apple's 5th Avenue store in New York, according to initial reports, but the crowd exuded a much stronger sense of desperation.  Apple employees were on hand to start wild rounds of cheering, whipping the crowd of Apple lovers into a frenzy.

In New Zealand, first to get the iPhone due to time zone mechanics, huge crowds formed.  The typically sedate Kiwis went wild, some of them camping out, forming crowds as the moment approached.  Japan was among the next to get the phone, with even larger crowds of up to 1,000 forming.  Reporters spotted many of the ever-studious Japanese youth reviewing textbooks while they waited.

Across Europe, in Sweden, the Netherlands and elsewhere, similar excitement was seen.  In Europe iPhones were delivered by armored car and handed off to the store manager.

The exception seemed to be Canada.  In the normally busy city of Calgary, the Canadians seemed somewhat apathetic towards the launch, perhaps due to recent dissatisfaction with Rogers, Canada's leading service provider who picked up the cell phone.  Or perhaps it was the hailing storm that pelted the city overnight.  Nonetheless, citizens reported small crowds camping out over the course of the night.  Quebec was similarly quiet.

One curious phenomena that arose was the iPhone EDGE model fire sale.  Patrons of the iPhone were offering their obsolete models for as little as $50 to would be buyers.  While some might be wary, it seems that it might be a fair deal for some, living outside AT&T's more limited 3G coverage, but within the EDGE network coverage.

Finally getting their sweaty palms on the new iPhone, Apple fans were perhaps a bit surprised to discover it looked amazing like...  their old iPhone.  Perhaps among the cuts that dropped the price from $399 to $199 was the removal of the chic aluminum casing.  In its place is a shiny black (or white, optional on the 16GB model) plastic, a magnet for fingerprints. The move to plastic may also have been made to deal with Apple's ever growing list of radio frequencies supported -- GSM, EDGE, HSDPA, WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS.

In the end, the phone still looks pretty much like an iPhone, and people report the plastic to feel solid, and not at all flimsy.  The phone is now curved, fatter at the center and thinner at the edge, a popular design trick to give the illusion of thinness.  Unfortunately, this means that when tapping out an email on a table, the phone rocks back and forth.

In a move that angered some, Apple replaced the old dock, which is no longer compatible with the iPhone.  After Apple "sells" customers on the iPhone, they are in its clutches and it slams them with a $30 fee for their new phone.  Another minor gripe is that the phone does not automatically detect GSM or 3G networks, the user must configure it themselves.

The new phone sports noticeably better quality on 3G and GSM, according to early adopters.  Battery life weighs in close to expectations from Apple with 10 / 5 hours talk on GSM / 3G (respectively), 5 hours 3G data, 6 hours WiFi, 24 hours music and 7 hours video.  The camera is reported to be slightly sharper, but unimpressive, overall.

Music fans will be happy -- the iPhone now has a flush 3.5mm jack.  This will allow normal headphones to be used.  The speaker, which many complained was too quiet, has also been pumped up. 

IPhone tests have showed it to be a speedy performer, with data rates of 300 - 500Kbps in the U.S. and 700-800Kbps on faster foreign networks.  The GPS is also very fast, supplementing satellite acquisition with cell phone tower triangulation.  Also the GPS uses Skyhook's proprietary WiFi-based location system, the only known phone on the market to do so.  Microsoft Exchange, now supported, works well for email, but can only support personal/corporate coexisting accounts, not personal/enterprise.  PowerPoint presentations now can open automatically on the phone as well.

In other iPhone related news, the 2.0 Firmware for the iPhone/iPod Touch which enables the new Apps feature and such goodies as Nike+Apple was leaked for free.  It has now been officially released for $9.99, but it is still floating around for free.  There have been some reports of problems with the free version.  Expect a rapid crackdown from Apple as well.

All in all it was a busy day for Apple worldwide.  No real surprises, no riots, but still the iPhone launch was an impressive display by Apple of its market might.

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Only Apple
By BioRebel on 7/11/2008 11:11:25 AM , Rating: 5
Can re-release a product with a small change and people will call it a phenomenon. I swear, if MS did this for the Zune, people would flip out. I don't understand why people think Apple, who commits just as many injustices as Microsoft, is so great.

RE: Only Apple
By Brandon Hill on 7/11/2008 11:19:24 AM , Rating: 5
Two words: Steve Jobs

For some reason, people worship Steve and the Jesus phone :)

RE: Only Apple
By mondo1234 on 7/11/2008 11:51:26 AM , Rating: 3
If it makes cell phones better and more competitive, let them buy! I think it is great regardless of who makes them.

RE: Only Apple
By daftrok on 7/11/2008 3:49:03 PM , Rating: 2
But they didn't fix the main issues. Now some people would say once again you can't remove the battery. But so long as you allow the phone to discharge its battery to around 20% and unplug it once its fully charged you can keep using the same battery for years and years. But I have some issues with the iPhone that just will not stand for me:

1) No Picture messaging. Seriously what the hell.
2) No Video recording.
3) Forced AT&T activation.
4) Expensive plans.
5) No AIM/MSN support
6) No Google Docs or MS Word support (I could have sworn they would have made an app for Google Docs. For those of you who don't know, Google Docs is like a basic version of MS Word, Powerpoint and Excel, but surprisingly good for being online)
7) No landscape keyboard (it only does portrait)
8) Lamentable audio/video support

Fix these issues, then I'll get it. GPS and 3G isn't gonna do it for me.

RE: Only Apple
By daftrok on 7/11/2008 4:00:31 PM , Rating: 2
Just to clarify Number 6, support means reader AND writer.

RE: Only Apple
By Spivonious on 7/11/2008 4:50:30 PM , Rating: 1
Your battery comment is wrong. A battery only has so many charge cycles, regardless of how far it was discharged.

Lithium-ion batteries last the longest when discharged completely, so charging it at 20% would shorten its lifetime.

The iPhone battery has something like 250 charge cycles until half-life. If you recharged it daily, it would have less than a year before the battery lasted half as long as it did new.

RE: Only Apple
By sprockkets on 7/12/2008 1:14:48 AM , Rating: 2
Wrong. Lithium Ion benefits from frequent charging and not deep cycle charging. Look it up.

No matter what you do though, Lithium ion batteries will lose capacity just by time passing, whether you use it or not.

RE: Only Apple
By Spivonious on 7/14/2008 11:23:59 AM , Rating: 2
D'oh! I got them confused with NiCads. Sorry about that!

RE: Only Apple
By mondo1234 on 7/11/2008 9:23:48 PM , Rating: 2
I thought the 3G and GPS were the biggest gripes (not including the battery replacement)?

1 & 2 = Apple should fix, but can't you email pics in gmail from safari?
3 - Verizon had a shot and turned it down. Its not sold unlocked like the n95, but its cheaper.
4 no more so than verizon
5 you can pick up aim for the iphone
6 Quickoffice is coming out with a version for the iphone, its the same that is one the nokia
7 landscape kb works with Safari only
8 I transcode for ipod video all the time w/o problems. I dl mp3's from alot of paid sites w/o a problem. I am sure someone will come out with other codecs for the iphone just like OSx.

I am using Windows Mobile on my phone right now and it isn't heaven either. My next phone will either be an iphone or BB. Its just time for change. Maybe this is it, maybe not. I think this is great to stir up the industy, thats all....

RE: Only Apple
By cmdrdredd on 7/12/2008 12:06:26 PM , Rating: 2
I agree 100% with Daftrok. That coupled with the "I don't care about current subscribers" attitude that AT&T takes really makes me hate the whole iPhone craze. They'll jump through hoops and subsidize the price of the phone for new subscribers who want to sign a contract they can't get out of, but if you just want the phone and you want to transfer your current service to the iPhone and add the media package they charge you $200 over the advertised price as a way of saying "Thanks for being a customer for 8 years"

RE: Only Apple
By Oralen on 7/12/2008 5:08:04 PM , Rating: 2
You forgot one issue, although it only concerns the place I'm from:

In belgium, where it's forbidden for operators to subsidise the price of a phone to force a contract...

The Iphone is priced at 615 €, with taxes... That's 976$, folks.

And if you want to take advantage of what makes the Iphone stand out, namely internet access, you still need a data plan. About 75$ per Month.

It's not Apple's fault, of course, but still.

A little bit pricey for a phone...

Guess I'll have to pass.

RE: Only Apple
By othercents on 7/11/08, Rating: -1
RE: Only Apple
By michael2k on 7/11/2008 12:45:07 PM , Rating: 1
What are you talking about? Steve Jobs left Apple in 1985 and didn't return until 1997? What mistake could he possibly have made that doomed Apple? The last thing Jobs did at Apple was design the Macintosh, it's hard to call that a mistake.

It's also not "dumb luck" he came back. He brought with him OS X, the OS that now powers the iPhone, iPod touch, AppleTV, Mac, and XServe products. Surely the iPod was good fortune, but it isn't dumb luck that made it fast, small, portable, and usable. That's called hard work.

So his influences count; he cares about design, and that makes iPods and iPhones attractive to people. That isn't dumb luck.

RE: Only Apple
By chick0n on 7/12/08, Rating: 0
RE: Only Apple
By robinthakur on 7/14/2008 7:36:21 AM , Rating: 2
I hardly think you're a rational person. You can't even spell. I think that if you did buy Apple the brand would die overnight..

RE: Only Apple
By Regs on 7/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: Only Apple
By DeepBlue1975 on 7/11/2008 11:33:08 AM , Rating: 5
It's just because most of the apple fans out there are iRresponsible, iLliterate, brand iLlness and iDolatry driven buyers.
And more important, they are plain egocentric, too, as they are full of i-this, i-that, and everything "i".
The non capitalized "i" surely is an indicator of lack of self confidence, though.

RE: Only Apple
By gramboh on 7/11/2008 12:40:53 PM , Rating: 3
I'm in Canada and am planning on buying my first Apple product (iPhone 3G). I walked by the Rogers store in TD Center (downtown mall) at 9:15 (prior to 9:30 opening) and there was a line of about 75+ people! This is a tiny Rogers store in the MALL. I did a 180 and went back to work.

Even if they had enough stock (I'd be surprised if they had more than 20) I wasn't about to wait hours for my turn to come to sign-up (and probably pay an extra $50 on the $299 price of the 16GB model AND $35 activiation, since the voice plan I want is only $25 and not $30+).

I just can't fathom how you would camp outside on a street for a revision to a PHONE. It actually upsets me to see that picture. How pathetic is your life that you dedicate time to an act like that. I'm not even willing to waste an hour in line waiting for people in front of me to sign-up. I'll just wait a week or two.

RE: Only Apple
By barjebus on 7/11/2008 1:26:45 PM , Rating: 2
You're also in Toronto, a place known for chasing fads as badly as New York seems to.

The rest of Canada is most likely going to wait this out and either not adopt it because Rogers and our telecom industry here are a bunch of tools, or Rogers will offer further incentive, especially since the 6GB data plan for 30$ a month is only until August, and then it reverts to the old plan which got everyone so pissed off in the first place, and that's 30$ a month for a 400mb data plan hahaha. Like honestly, I can download a hundred songs off iTunes each month? So that works out to 3 per I'd be paying close to a hundred dollars a month for a super special phone that cost me 199$ to buy (or 299$ if I am feeling super rich) and the only additional benefit to me is downloading 3 mp3's each day?

Wow, technology sure has come along way...

RE: Only Apple
By gramboh on 7/11/2008 3:25:11 PM , Rating: 2
I'm actually in Calgary, and I hate Toronto as much as anyone who doesn't live there (I lived there for 2 years, I know how much that place sucks).

Turns out I should've gone to another Rogers store downtown in the Petro-Canada building. My friend walked by on his way to work at 8:30 and said only 10 people were in line. I went into the store after lunch and they said they had 20 in stock and sold out pretty fast, but everyone in line got one. I put my name down for them to call me when they get more stock, supposedly on Tues or Weds next week.

Re: pricing. Yes it's expensive, but I currently pay ~$65/mo on Telus all in for 200 daytime, 6pm evenings/weekends, Caller ID/voicemail, 500 texts, 200 daytime LD and unlimited 6pm LD.

With Rogers I'll pay $88 all in (with GST) for MY5 (5 numbers unlimited in Canada, covers my LD needs and I really only call 3 numbers often), 250 daytime, 6pm evenings/weekends, 6GB data, $15 visual voicemail/2500 SMS/caller ID pack.

So $23 more a month for basically the same voice as I have now but with effectively unlimited data.

I don't care about iTunes (I'm pretty upset I'll have to install that piece of crap on my Vista box). I will only be using the phone for the browser, GPS and email (ActiveSync).

RE: Only Apple
By DeepBlue1975 on 7/11/2008 4:05:47 PM , Rating: 2
I hear you loud and clear!

That's something I can't get either. It makes me remember of little children: mom buys exactly the same toy to both of their kids, but each of them likes the brother's toy better even though they're exactly the same.

What has this analogy to do with anything at all?
Simple: I think that these fellas camping for long hours and even sometimes more than 24 in a row, believe that the first day's iPhone is a different product than the one they'll get a couple of days or a couple of months later.

The sad and most pathetic part is that they're usually true: if they waited some prudent time before buying, they'd probably get

a) a newer firmware revision with less bugs and better performance.
b) a better price.
or even...

c) both (a) and (b)!

Seriously, I Don't understand these guys. They're completely iNcomprehensible to me.

RE: Only Apple
By mondo1234 on 7/11/2008 11:43:07 AM , Rating: 1
O2 in the UK reached 13,000 orders per second when their online ordering system failed.

RE: Only Apple
By phatboye on 7/11/2008 11:52:45 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed with the OP. People get excited over the stupidest things.

RE: Only Apple
By spluurfg on 7/11/2008 12:03:46 PM , Rating: 2
Luxury goods designers do this two to four times a year for their products. Motorola did it for a while with the RAZR. I'd argue that the 3g version is a bigger improvement. I suppose the next step is to add a credible camera, so good to see they left themselves plenty of room for the next model.

RE: Only Apple
By michael2k on 7/11/2008 12:39:18 PM , Rating: 1
Uh, why do you call it a small change? The OS and apps have been totally revamped. It is akin to the change between XP and Vista, if you're curious.

So, yes, if MS did this for Zune, it would be huge. Imagine if MS redid the whole Zune infrastructure.

And as for why people think Apple is so great, it's because they like the product. Most people can't say the same about Microsoft. Just because you don't like Apple, however, doesn't mean other people won't.

RE: Only Apple
By gramboh on 7/11/2008 12:42:11 PM , Rating: 2
Totally revamped, as in fundmentally new OS kernel (XP to Vista)? From what I've read, the OS changes from first gen to 3G would be more like a service pack in the Windows realm.

RE: Only Apple
By michael2k on 7/11/08, Rating: -1
RE: Only Apple
By walk2k on 7/11/2008 12:43:01 PM , Rating: 5
It takes a special brand of moron to stand in line all day to buy a phone.

At least, why not wait until next week or something, when there's no lines and the activation process actually works. I mean you'd have to be stupid not to expect this on the first day.

RE: Only Apple
By michael2k on 7/11/2008 1:48:54 PM , Rating: 3
RE: Only Apple
By sprockkets on 7/12/2008 1:20:08 AM , Rating: 2
Well, at least he gets website traffic and then revenue for it, and will get more if he posts something about it today.

For everyone else...

Hahaha, selling your stupid old iphone for $50 not even after a year. Losers.

Damn it, why can't I make millions off of selling something no one needs but can't live without? I guess I don't have the lack of brains to think like Apple people do.

Don't get me wrong, Apple stuff does do things right with the control wheel on the ipod, and other stuff. But if you think I would sacrifice the mundane standard features for that?

RE: Only Apple
By TheGee on 7/11/2008 5:55:04 PM , Rating: 2
Dumb barstards!!
You can just see 'em skipping out the shop holding it up so everyone can see what a fashionista they are with the new 3G iphone..... much like the old iphone!!

(I feel some lyrics coming on here)!!

RE: Only Apple
By michael2k on 7/11/2008 6:03:06 PM , Rating: 2
You know, some people really are happy to own the iPhone. Most people LIKE buying new things. I mean, don't you enjoy Christmas or your birthday?

RE: Only Apple
By audiomaniaca on 7/11/2008 11:35:01 PM , Rating: 2
Everybody enjoys buying news things.

I don't like acting like an iDiot, standing in a line for hours, helping a company that overcharges its customers to promote its pathetic marketing, just to be the "first one" to have the "first mobile phone with 3G, mp3 player and touch screen in history".

Santa Claus never forced me to stay awake during the whole night, standing, just to get my gifts.

RE: Only Apple
By cmdrdredd on 7/12/2008 12:02:58 PM , Rating: 2
Yes and it's such a gimmick as well. They advertise $199 price, but that's only for NEW subscribers to AT&T. You can't be a current customer and just want to have the phone. Oh no, you pay $399 for the cheapest one. That's a ridiculous thing to do for your customers AT&T. The price point and hype machine of the ad campaign is all just a come on add to get people to sign up for service at $100+ a month for 2 years. They really don't care if you already have service, they got you and you're stuck.

RE: Only Apple
By robinthakur on 7/14/2008 7:31:49 AM , Rating: 2
No If MS did that with the Zune people would just laugh at them wanting to flush more of their money. I think its being a little uber-dramatic to call this an "injustice". Apple have just given the market what it has been whining for since the iPhone debut: The iPhone with faster wireless. Especially in Europe where mobile networks are generally more advanced than the US, expect them to sell alot more devices now. The most major change for me has been the spectacular price cut. This also means that demand will be especially high for it until the next version is released by Jebus :)

By cochy on 7/11/2008 11:19:48 AM , Rating: 1
Canada. In the normally busy city of Calgary, the Canadians seemed somewhat apathetic towards the launch, perhaps due to recent dissatisfaction with Rogers

Yes. We Canadians are terribly dissatisfied with Rogers and just about our entire telecommunications industry here. We have historically been way behind the rest of the world in terms of offerings here. Plans cost more, Data costs WAY more. No such as unlimited data plan in Canada. $30 will get you 400MB which is laughable. Rogers recently "gave in" to consumer demands and offered 4GB for $60, but that plan only lasts until Aug 31st, at which point they will go back to ripping everyone off.

We can't even get Skype In numbers here because Bell and Co. won't allow the extra competition from that. I could go on but don't have the time.

It's the stone age here in terms of telcos. We'd like the iPhone if the plans were reasonable

RE: Canada
By mmntech on 7/11/2008 11:47:52 AM , Rating: 2
I've heard plenty of nightmare stories from both Rogers and Bell. That's why I'd never sign a legal contract just to use a phone. I use prepaid through Telus that takes $10 per month off my credit card and I get to bank my minutes. Shows how much I use my cell phone. lol

Rogers levies outrageous costs for the iPhone plans. Now Bell and Telus want to charge 15 cents per incoming text messages. They claim it's needed for system upgrades. Pure BS. I guess their reasoning is if you can't stop the spammers, join them. The CRTC and Industry Canada really need to get their butts in gear and start encouraging competition, even if it means allowing foreign telecom businesses in.

RE: Canada
By cochy on 7/11/2008 12:37:40 PM , Rating: 2
Just read this. It's laughable. Rogers had 100 phones available at the Toronto store, 300 people were lining up. They promised "breakfast" which turned out to be a granola bar. What a joke!

RE: Canada
By JasonMick on 7/11/2008 12:57:29 PM , Rating: 5
Rogers had 100 phones available at the Toronto store, 300 people were lining up. They promised "breakfast" which turned out to be a granola bar.

Fortunately, it turned out that 200 of the 300 were just bums, there for the free breakfast.

They were mistaken for Apple fans due to their similarly unkempt appearance and their powerful musk, similar to the fans', derived from spending days outside waiting for the iPhone. ;)

RE: Canada
By xsilver on 7/11/2008 11:59:22 AM , Rating: 1
in Canada. $30 will get you 400MB which is laughable....It's the stone age here in terms of telcos.

try australia mate:
telstra (largest carrier) > $56us = 200mb 0.24c/mb thereafter
optus (2nd) > $47us = 250mb
Luckily we dont have the one carrier monopoly but if canada is in the stone ages, we're probably pre-cambrian!

RE: Canada
By omnicronx on 7/11/2008 8:26:49 PM , Rating: 2
My contract ends with Bell next month, I pay 40$ a month for 8megs of transfer alone. Until early this year, it was not uncommon to be paying 120$ for 120MB transfer for Windows Mobile phones, at one point last year when I tried resigning my contract to a higher rate they told me 120MB was the max, and anything over I would have to pay fees. One of my friends got 1000$ in charges because he let a friend use his phone for just 2 days! All of a sudden 56$ for 200mb and 0.24c/mb does not sound so bad =P

RE: Canada
By xsilver on 7/11/2008 10:10:54 PM , Rating: 2
ouch - yeah our 3rd provider, vodafone has the same thing. Max 100mb, charges thereafter.

My conspiracy thingy about this is that if you're "stupid" enough to buy an iphone, you're "stupid" enough NOT to know the extortionist prices on data.
Another funny thing about the australian launch was that it has already been discovered that the first person in line that lined up for 11 hours was an employee of the phone company. lol. I guess the phone company didnt want the tv stations interviewing the first guy saying anything bad about the iphone. sad.

RE: Canada
By Aries1470 on 7/15/2008 4:38:43 AM , Rating: 2
@ xsilver
I don't know where you get your facts, but don't post things that are untrue!!! The only one I am not sure of, is for Telstra, since they over charge and underdeliver!!!

People, ignore most part of what he has said!!
Here are the plans made exclusively for the iPhone!!!
For Vodafone, go their site here:
The original Vodafone plans were the iPhone specific ones. Those were available if you had signed up to be notified. The email went out a day before, the other two (maxi & super cap) came out later, after launch.
For Optus:
for their Cap plans:
For their normal ones:

what xsilver is refering to is the optional add-on plans for normal mobiles, and what I have noticed or cared to look at, that is the vodafone price.

Now the good news is, is in the optus disclaimer, you CAN UNLOCK the phone, as long as you have bought it from them!

[start of rant]So xsilver, GET YOUR F*KNIG FACTS RIGHT BEFORE POSTING!. [/end of rant]

As for the Vodafone plans, the 1st 4 were the original. I was invited to pre-order/ buy, but I am waiting for a better offer. Hehe. I will wait out a couple of more months and see if I can upgrade later.

I am on optus, with a great OLD cap plan that includes the international calls, their new ones don't. The other GOOD THING FOR BEING A LOYAL CUSTOMER, is that I can upgrade earlier my phone, so I am looking for around September instead of March next year ;-) Now to convince my account manager to do me a deal around that time. I am allowed to get any other phone, except the iPhone on my old cap plan. Hmm SE Xpedia X1 might be out by then. The resolution, camera and many other more better features than the iPhone. Decisions decisions. I might even get it at a better rate too by the time i decide to upgrade from my old N93i...

p.s. We also have 5Gb plans and others with mobile internet for use with usb dongles for laptops or pc's. Very good prices too.

Caption on 2nd Pic
By zerone555 on 7/11/2008 11:21:27 AM , Rating: 5
An Apple fan bends over inside his tent in Denmark.

ROFL. Almost fell off my chair when I read that.

RE: Caption on 2nd Pic
By xsilver on 7/11/2008 12:01:29 PM , Rating: 3
are you sure you didnt roll out of your tent instead? :P

RE: Caption on 2nd Pic
By BruceLeet on 7/11/2008 2:16:34 PM , Rating: 2
I almost dropped my guitar when I read that.

Full of win =p

RE: Caption on 2nd Pic
By Mortando on 7/11/2008 4:45:59 PM , Rating: 2
I literally laughed-out-loud at that. work.

People prairie-dogged.


iTunes all screwed up...
By mpjesse on 7/11/2008 12:43:40 PM , Rating: 3
I got in line at my local AT&T store at 5:30AM today. Here's my chronicle...

The whole in store activation thing was a no-go from the minute the doors opened. I'm in mountain time zone and news traveled quick that iTunes was unresponsive all over the world. So whtat they're doing is selling phones, setting up the contracts, and sending everyone home to activate the phones.

Well iTunes is still overloaded. I'm an existing ATT customer, so my phone works (thank god!). I'm also able to sync my music. But using iTunes for anything other that syncing or playing music is not happening right now.

I would imagine all the "new" ATT customers are banging their heads against the wall. They actually have to activate their service through iTunes, until then their iPhones are bricks.

As for ATT, they did a pretty good job I think. They gave the first 30 people in line (me) a nice canvas folding chair, free t-shirts, starbucks coffee, donuts, and they had a DJ/tent setup. All the reps were patient and knowledgable. Overall I'd have to say it was a great experience... now if I could just get iTunes to work...

It's all APPLE's FAULT!

RE: iTunes all screwed up...
By walk2k on 7/11/2008 12:58:41 PM , Rating: 2
I got in line at my local AT&T store at 5:30AM
It's all APPLE's FAULT
Are you sure?

Maybe if you think real hard, can you see where you failed here?

I got in line at my local AT&T store at 5:30AM


RE: iTunes all screwed up...
By thebrown13 on 7/11/2008 2:55:35 PM , Rating: 2
For real, if this was nazi germany you'd be drug out into the road and shot for being so retarded.

RE: iTunes all screwed up...
By Weiser on 7/11/2008 3:10:35 PM , Rating: 2
I'm honestly surprised this isn't getting the majority of the press.

I am a 1st gen iPhone owner and went to update my software today before work and am now carrying an iBrick around in my pocket all day due to the iTunes problems. So not only is this launch screwing the new customers with nice new iBricks it is making some current customers lose service temporarily. Other than the apparent volume of sales it seems like a pretty disasterous launch...

RE: iTunes all screwed up...
By Weiser on 7/11/2008 3:21:52 PM , Rating: 2
So....just after I posted that this came up.

I guess the press on this topic is increasing.

RE: iTunes all screwed up...
By crystal clear on 7/12/2008 7:20:31 AM , Rating: 1
As an onlooker who never buys Apple products ,as their prices are just a rip off,not worth the money you pay for.

I observe the following-

Apple's latest phone isn't really about the U.S. It's about the rest of the world. Apple will sell the iPhone in 22 countries beginning this Friday, July 11th. By the end of the year, Apple is shooting for 70 countries in total.

This for Apple is the first time & a learning experience,they are NOT YET READY for such a worldwide release.

They lack the experience of say Nokia in this field.

I bet their servers are overloaded & cannot handle the load/traffic.

Apple will have to do a major upgrade to its servers,to handle the new incresed traffic.

As I see it - this iPhone is more about software than hardware....its a software platform.

Any new software has the glitches/flaws that over the time are fixed,incl security & compatibility etc.

iPhones success will depend heavily on the software support that Apple will provides.

Software that works-dependable-reliable ......

iPhones are designed on "JOBS" vision of the iPhone-

Great software packaged by elegant harware

All current & future iPhones will have major emphasis on software & less on hardware.

You pay(more) for the software & less for the hardware.

Too Bad It's Still AT&T Exclusive
By blaster5k on 7/11/2008 11:17:45 AM , Rating: 2
I thought about getting an iPhone, but unfortunately, people in my area (Boston) tell me that AT&T service is pretty bad. I have no land line phone, so having reliable service is quite important. Though it may not have the frills of an iPhone, I almost never lose signal with my current Verizon phone.

Anyone else think the iPhone would do better not being tied to a single provider? Obviously, Verizon and Sprint are CDMA, which poses some additional headaches.

RE: Too Bad It's Still AT&T Exclusive
By AlexWade on 7/11/2008 12:00:45 PM , Rating: 2
I thought about getting the iPhone, then I saw how much I would have to pay for a family plan. $120 a month for the first two lines. No thank you. I have a great rate plan right now and am not going to change it. If I want to overpay for service, I would be with Verizon.

Remember, too, that Apple is all about being exclusive. Where are the Apple authorized Mac clones? Why can't other devices use iTunes? Apple loves exclusivity because it means they can control the price and still have people love you.

By StevoLincolnite on 7/11/2008 1:15:36 PM , Rating: 2
Why can't other devices use iTunes?

I've seen "other" mobile devices feature iTunes like the Motorolla ROKR E1, otherwise it wouldn't bother me, perhaps companies should get behind winamp as a media organizer thingy for there devices?

By blaster5k on 7/11/2008 1:21:24 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, Apple does seem to be all about exclusivity.

Cost is the other factor on my mind. Verizon works out to be pretty cheap for me since I'm still on my parents' family plan even though I've long since moved out. With 5 phones on it, the cost per person is quite low and we've never had trouble with the minute limitations.

Having reliable service eliminates the need for a land line, which potentially saves $25/month. Possibly could play around with Skype and try getting something lower, but being tied to a computer/internet wouldn't make it nearly as effective a backup phone. Point is, there's value in a reliable cell network and money you save in one area, you might waste in another.

By ksherman on 7/11/2008 12:03:38 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, which the only other option is T-Mobile, which I like a ton, but they don't have a 3G network.

By crystal clear on 7/12/2008 1:30:57 AM , Rating: 2

Apple squeezes iPhone 3G costs down to $173

June 25, 2008 (Computerworld) The cost of manufacturing Apple Inc.'s next-generation iPhone 3G will be 23% lower than the cost of manufacturing 2007's original model, according to a research firm noted for tearing apart electronics.

According to estimates by iSuppli Corp., Apple's new iPhone 3G will come with a bill of materials (BOM) and manufacturing cost of $173, nearly one-fourth less than the $226 the company spent on the first-generation 8GB iPhone, which debuted almost a year ago.

"The new iPhone is significantly less expensive to produce than the first-generation product, despite major improvements in functionality and unique usability, due to the addition of 3G communications," said Jagdish Rebello, an analyst at iSuppli, in a statement issued yesterday.

The most expensive component on iSuppli's speculative price list was the 8GB of flash memory, which it tagged at $22.80. The touch screen and display each cost $20, while the 3G chip is $15, said the company.

ISuppli's breakdown is, of course, speculative. Like other recent "tear-down" estimates of the smart phone's manufacturing cost, iSuppli's is based on information that may turn out to be incorrect. It will be more than two weeks before Apple and its carrier partners start selling the iPhone 3G.

Two weeks ago, in fact, iSuppli declined to match a rival's tear-down estimate with one of its own, saying it would instead withhold comment until it had an iPhone 3G in hand. But it changed its mind and issued a preliminary estimate, citing what it called "strong popular demand for information on iPhone costs and pricing."

Two weeks ago, iSuppli competitor Portelligent Inc. touted its own analysis -- also done without seeing an actual iPhone 3G -- that tallied the new model's costs at around $100, considerably less than iSuppli's figure. Austin, Texas-based Portelligent's number got analysts talking, with some speculating that the phone could become Apple's most profitable product.

At the time, Carl Howe, an analyst at Yankee Group Research Inc., used Portelligent's $100 estimate to question whether Apple required carrier subsidies to make money on the iPhone 3G. "If AT&T is adding in a $200 subsidy, then the iPhone 3G is anything but a phone requiring a carrier subsidy," Howe said. "In fact, if these numbers are true and the carriers are subsidizing the phone, the iPhone 3G could end up being the most profitable product Apple makes."

Although iSuppli's calculation puts the iPhone 3G materials and manufacturing costs significantly higher than Portelligent's, iSuppli's Rebello also thought the carrier subsidy would be larger: around $300 per iPhone. "This means that with subsidies from carriers, Apple will be selling the 8MB version of the second-generation iPhone to carriers at an effective price of about $499 per unit, the same as the original product."

It's imperative that Apple make money on the hardware, Rebello added, since the company will not be sharing in 3G subscriber revenues. "Hardware is vital to Apple profits, valuation and revenue," he said. "Two-thirds of Apple's revenue from the iPod still is derived from hardware, while only one-third is from the iTunes service and accessories. The second-generation iPhone is no exception."

Like Howe of the Yankee Group, iSuppli thinks the iPhone 3G may be an unusually-profitable product for Apple. Earlier iPod and iPhone tear-downs have put Apple's profit margin at around 50% more than the BOM and manufacturing costs. With a $300 subsidy, however, the margin would be nearly 65%. Even with a $200-per-iPhone subsidy, Apple's estimated margin would be around 57%.

Apple will launch the iPhone 3G on July 11 in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the U.K. and the U.S. The company has also said it would make the new phone available in some 70 countries by the end of this year.

iSuppli will do a real tear-down once it gets its hands on an actual iPhone 3G, said Rebello.

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