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  (Source: Gizmodo)

Is this the iPhone 4G?  (Source: Engadget)
The iPhone 4G saga blows up over the weekend

"Is you is or is you ain't my baby?" Over the weekend, Engadget posted pictures of what it claimed to be the next generation iPhone 4G. The pictures sparked quite a debate over their authenticity and many flatly rejected the design saying that it was too ugly to be an iPhone.

Detractors noted the blocky shape and seams along the edge of the devices as reasons why this design couldn't have possibly come from the likes of Jonathan Ive. Mac Rumors seemed to confirm that the pictures were indeed fakes with a posting yesterday which claimed that this wasn't the iPhone 4G, but instead a Japanese knock-off.

Engadget fought back citing more evidence that this was indeed the iPhone 4G. And to further confirm the pictures, Daring Fireball's John Gruber -- Steve Jobs' biggest fan -- has posted his own comments verifying the authenticity of the pictures. Gruber cites a 2006 patent for a "radio transparent" ceramic smartphone enclosure which would seem to match up with the photos posted over the weekend.

"I think it’s a testbed frame — thicker, with visible (un-Apple-like) seams, meant to fit in 3GS cases so as to disguise units out in the wild," said Gruber. "It’s hard to tell from the photos. But I think it is the real deal in terms of the internals and display being next-gen iPhone hardware, and the new glass back."

According to tipsters that provided the original pics and commentary from Gruber, here are just some of the features thought to be on the iPhone 4G:

  • Apple A4 processor
  • 640x960 display
  • High resolution rear camera with flash
  • Front-facing camera for video conferencing
  • MicroSIM support 

We'll know for sure if this is the next generation iPhone at Apple's event scheduled for late June.

In other news, Apple has announced that the iPad 3G will ship for U.S. customers by May 7. The iPad 3G is priced at $629, $729, and $829 respectively for 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB models.

Updated 4/19/2010 @ 10:55 am

Gizmodo has gotten its grubby hands on the "lost" iPhone 4G that was first pictured by Engadget. They have completely torn the phone down and given design analysis which you can read here.


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By nvalhalla on 4/19/2010 8:14:58 AM , Rating: 3
I think one of the iPhone's strengths is that it is a single standard platform. Developers know what hardware it will have, much like a video game console. I wonder how much all of these new phone generations is going to affect that. We are already seeing a schism between the 3G and 3GS for multitasking and app performance. Now we will have another model that has to be designed for, with another new CPU and now a higher resolution screen. I am interested to see how well the iPhone can keep its market share with the new competition and the diluting of their own platform.

RE: Interesting
By Supa on 4/19/2010 10:13:13 AM , Rating: 5
To be fair, there aren't many phones being supported longer than 2 years.

My LG KU990 phone had been supported for less than a year (some firmwares updating bugs, that's all). It would be likely the same case for most phones on the market.

I guess people have high standards for iphone. You'll probably find no shortage of complaints here at dailytech no matter how much improvements the next iphone brings, yet strangely you won't find the same people yelping up the other phones as much, if at all.


RE: Interesting
By nvalhalla on 4/19/2010 10:32:47 AM , Rating: 2
People do hold the iPhone to a higher standard, and I think that's the way it should be. We are used to the disposable flip phone from the first decade. They were obsolete 3 months after you bought them. Phones are evolving into a platform now, a mini computer almost. It's time we expect more from the phone manufacturers and their carriers. I certainly would be happy if two years after I bought a PC I couldn't get updates or software for it anymore.

RE: Interesting
By nvalhalla on 4/19/2010 10:34:11 AM , Rating: 2
" wouldn't be happy"

need a stupid edit button...

RE: Interesting
By HrilL on 4/19/2010 11:04:43 AM , Rating: 2
heh I read it as wouldn't but I have to agree it would be nice but then again it causes its own sets of problems with people retracting the retarded yet funny things they say on here.

RE: Interesting
By acase on 4/19/2010 11:18:15 AM , Rating: 2
So you make it editable until someone replies to you.

RE: Interesting
By slunkius on 4/20/2010 3:53:59 AM , Rating: 4
So you have no time to check preview screen, but read your own comment after it's been posted. And somehow it is DT's problem?

RE: Interesting
By acase on 4/20/2010 10:11:56 AM , Rating: 2
I have never had the problem personally, no, but it seems that more often than not when someone posts a correction to what they wrote it is the first reply. Just seems like an easy fix that would make some people happy and zero people upset (except obviously you).

RE: Interesting
By angryplayer on 4/22/2010 1:44:15 AM , Rating: 2
While you make intelligent guesses, there is one much simpler reason it's held to a higher standard: it's $600-$700. You sure as hell aren't paying for the features, so the service and support better be spectacular.

RE: Interesting
By omnicronx on 4/19/2010 10:44:27 AM , Rating: 2
I think one of the iPhone's strengths is that it is a single standard platform. Developers know what hardware it will have, much like a video game console.
I agree, that being said, I think this iPhone release can only help them. It will essentially force dev's to program for the new resolution that the iPhone 4G and the iPhone will have (same processor too). Had kept a similar platform to the 3GS, the schism could easily grow larger.

RE: Interesting
By ksherman on 4/19/2010 10:56:59 AM , Rating: 2
But let's be realistic.

First, Apple should not hold back the advancement of new hardware to keep the old iPhones alive.

Second, Android is doing just that, fragmenting their market (some might call it targeting).

Third, the old iPhone/iPod Touches are already falling behind apps in the App store. I love playing TapTap Revenge, and I'm pretty good at it. But its impossible for me to play ANY Extreme level song, the frame rate chugs. Same story for some of the more intense Hard level games. I just tried to play a Kings of Leon song, game was dropping every third frame or so. (I have an iPhone 3G, not the newer 3GS)

So while its nice to put all your phones on the same level, the reality is that while newer and better Apps are requiring the newer/faster devices to download or install, they sure are written for them.

Sucks. And I can't wait for the next model.

Or, the EVO 4G and just get an iPod Touch. Depends on Sprint's rate plans for the EVO 4G with the tethering option. :-D

RE: Interesting
By Trickydicky on 4/20/2010 1:31:09 AM , Rating: 1
That's exactly why developers should be free to choose tools that abstract hardware (and sometimes the operating system) away from them. Open source and cross platform development is the way the software industry has been moving for years.

For some reason Job's seems hell bent on stopping that on the iPhone. Way to piss off the guys doing the work that makes a large part of the appeal of the iPhone... and money for the app store.

RE: Interesting
By darkblade33 on 4/20/2010 11:59:01 AM , Rating: 2
I read a review of the ipad ( a4 processor ) versus an new android (snap dragon processor) .. the ipad was faster when loading pages and also faster then the 3gs ( which the 3gs is prety quick loading applications )

If the new iPhone does indeed have the A4 processor then people are in for a real treat .. the front and rear facing camera and higher resolution screen could for the time being put the iPhone back on top on the hardware side.

As far as applications.. they are around 175,000 now and growing.. With over 42 million iPhone sold worldwide I'd say this phone has plenty of room to grow in sales and more complex applications.

There is a new app coming to iPhone 4.0 which will allow those that bank with Chase to take a pic of a check with their iPhone and have the check deposited to their account .. Apps like this will steal a few blackberry corporate types..

may 7 date is only for new orders
By pesos on 4/19/2010 10:14:34 AM , Rating: 3
actually the May 7th date is only for new ipad 3g orders. those of us that preordered got confirmation emails this morning stating they will still ship late april:

To Our Valued Apple Customer:

Thank you for your recent order of the magical and revolutionary
iPad 3G.

We would like to confirm that your order will be shipped in late
April as communicated at the time you placed your order. You will
receive a confirmation notice when your order has shipped.

You can get up-to-date information about your order, including
shipping status and tracking number, at

Thank you for choosing Apple.

The Apple Store Team

RE: may 7 date is only for new orders
By nvalhalla on 4/19/2010 10:37:49 AM , Rating: 2
Did they seriously call it magical and revolutionary? Who are they trying to sell it to, you already preordered it! Such hyperbole is expected from their marketing department, but give me a break!

RE: may 7 date is only for new orders
By pesos on 4/19/2010 11:27:20 AM , Rating: 2
haha yes that is copied and pasted, made me chuckle when I saw it too

By ksherman on 4/19/2010 1:17:00 PM , Rating: 4
It's on the T-Shirts the employees wear too. It's their catch phrase I guess. Instantly makes me think the iPad is a creepy pedophile luring kids into his minivan...

By TrailHound on 4/19/2010 11:16:02 AM , Rating: 2
Any details about the network yet? I'll guess that if they're testing it that it's all about AT&T right now. Sure would be sweet if it is CDMA ready.

By ksherman on 4/19/2010 11:33:45 AM , Rating: 2
Has a SIM card, therefore its a GSM phone. CDMA phones don't use SIM cards.

Its probably more likely that the iPhone will come to Verizon when LTE gets deployed.

Besides, Verizon's plans are just as over-priced as AT&T's so I don't really care. AT&T works great in my area. Sure, Verizon might be better, but I don't see the big deal.

By TrailHound on 4/19/2010 12:43:39 PM , Rating: 2
I've been with Verizon for years. The ability to get service in rual areas is why I stick with Verizon. If I didn't travel from the 'big city' of Louisville to rual parts of the state I don't know that it would be a big deal for me either.

By darkblade33 on 4/20/2010 12:02:25 PM , Rating: 2
Its location.. I know people who recently had verizon and they couldnt make call in their house without dropping.. There is no 'perect' network yet..

By funkyd99 on 4/19/2010 11:20:40 AM , Rating: 2
...the Apple mafia is going to be at his doorstep any moment now with their iTorture toolkit.

By Performance Fanboi on 4/19/2010 1:11:32 PM , Rating: 5
Not to worry. If it's warm where he lives the iTorture will overheat and shut down.

The name...
By CZroe on 4/19/2010 1:19:02 PM , Rating: 2
Whatever the name is, it's very unlikely to be "iPhone 4G" as this article implies. Note, Gizmodo called it "iPhone 4." IMO, the most-likely rumored name is iPhone HD, but I'd just call it "4th gen iPhone" until something is announced.

RE: The name...
By Sazar on 4/19/2010 3:11:47 PM , Rating: 3
I've heard the HD being thrown around a lot, and seeing the screen resolution, this seems to be quite apt.

Given the feature-set, I am actually somewhat intrigued. My 3G is getting a little long in the tooth.

It's either the Dell Mini 5 or this now :)

By Targon on 4/19/2010 7:59:04 AM , Rating: 2
It would have been more interesting if it supported 4G data service from AT&T, not just a new generation of iPhone without anything really special. There has already been a lot of hype over the pseudo-multi tasking of the new OS, so nothing really NEW here means there is nothing even noteworthy about this new version of the iPhone.

RE: 4G....bah!
By icanhascpu on 4/19/2010 8:20:10 PM , Rating: 2
You're already condemning this thing for stuff we don't even know about yet.

Like half the people posting are. Are you people insane?

80GB capacity
By hlper on 4/19/2010 5:39:21 PM , Rating: 2
I find it suspicious. I totally agree that it does not look like apple fit and finish. The metal does not smoothly intigrate on the sides, and those round buttons don't seem appropriate in either style or finish.

Also, the Gizmodo article also says it has an 80GB capacity. That in itself seems unlikely. Is this supposed iPhone successor using an old fashioned mechanical hard drive, like some mutant iPod classic? Anyhow, remember this article (64GB makes much more sense)?

That being said, Apple usually sues agressively to have this kind of content removed if it is too close to home, so wait and see if it is there in a few days.

RE: 80GB capacity
By usju on 4/20/2010 4:00:04 AM , Rating: 2
I feel it is a relief to the eyes after 3 bulgy iphones.

By mostyle on 4/19/2010 7:24:49 AM , Rating: 2
From this preliminary doesn't seem that incredible..

Okay, maybe a small pun there..


RE: Hmm...
By Abrahmm on 4/19/2010 10:01:25 AM , Rating: 2
Funny and true. It will be interesting if this phone can compete hardware wise with the Incredible, Galaxy S, and EVO 4G. But I can guarantee this phone won't be able to compete with whatever Android phone is just around the corner, and the Android OS stomps all over whatever crippleware this thing will ship with.

RE: Hmm...
By Shatbot on 4/19/10, Rating: -1
By inperfectdarkness on 4/19/2010 9:24:27 AM , Rating: 1 absolutely NIL.

By icanhascpu on 4/19/2010 5:56:46 PM , Rating: 2
1. Why reply here then?
2. You don't even know whats inside this thing other than what we can all basically see.

Bias like that is terrible.

This little piece of hardware is gorgeous, and unlike the POS that is the iPad, I can't wait to find out what is actually inside it.

The design is so much nicer looking than the toy crap they have been making. Looks industrial. The high resolution screen is going to be awesome for games and browsing.

Hopefully the screen with be OMLED but I doubt it this far in development.

Screen resolution
By lennylim on 4/19/2010 2:52:33 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, Gizmodo said it was higher resolution than existing display, but they could not confirm what is the exact resolution.

640x960 is 3:2 (well, 2:3, but you get the point). The photos definitely show a widescreen format.

Big brother Steve!
By gevorg on 4/19/2010 10:25:48 PM , Rating: 2
"According to the person who found it, this iPhone was running iPhone OS 4.0 before the iPhone 4.0 announcement. The person was able to play with it and see the iPhone 4.0 features. Then, Apple remotely killed the phone before we got access to it. We were unable to restore because each firmware is device specific—3GS firmware only loads on 3GS devices—and the there are no firmwares available for this unreleased phone. Which is another clue to its authenticity."

By ajfink on 4/20/2010 7:54:31 AM , Rating: 2
Hopefully nobody dies over this iPhone loss.

By zingyoo on 4/20/2010 8:22:58 PM , Rating: 2
Incredible. I was at the AT&T store the other day and the manager told me that Mid June they will have the 4th gen Iphone in the stores. I sure hope so!


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