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...and that's just the down payment!

A persistent theme of this column is that the economic effects -- if any -- of global warming will be less costly by far than the schemes being proposed to combat it. That position has gotten some support recently from an unlikely source: the International Energy Agency (IEA).

On Friday, the Paris-based IEA released its formal plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. The cost? A mere 45 trillion dollars -- an amount some three times larger than the entire U.S. economy.

This isn't the amount needed to actually eliminate emissions, mind you, but simply to halve them. And because the plan grabs all the "low hanging fruit" in carbon reductions, the amount needed to complete the job wouldn't just be double that $45 trillion, but far higher.

Worse still, the report only covers emissions from energy production -- the much larger amount arising from agriculture, transportation, land-use changes, and other factors weren't included.

The plan includes a massive increase in wind power, with 17,000 new multi-megawatt units required each year until 2050. It also includes carbon sequestration devices installed on existing fossil-fuel plants, and an increasing reliance on nuclear energy. A wide scale campaign to dramatically increase energy efficiency would also be required.

Environmental ministers from all Group of Eight industrialized nations have already backed the 50 percent reduction goal, and are calling for it to be formally endorsed by member nations at the upcoming G8 summit in July.

The U.S. has so far been wise enough to avoid signing Kyoto -- a vastly costly measure that even its supporters admit won't measurably affect world temperatures.  Let's hope it will likewise avoid this latest boondoggle from the IAE.



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Food For Thought
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/9/2008 10:56:17 AM , Rating: 5
Okay, obviously no countries will be jumping at the bit to foot a 45 trillion bill.

But let's remove global warming from the debate for a second. The measure is mainly suggesting that we expand alternative energy. This includes greatly expanding wind power, solar power, and nuclear power, the latter of which if I recall correctly you're a big advocate of, Michael.

What about these provisions is so bad? We ARE going to have to move to some sort of alternative energy based infrastructure sooner or later, be it in 20 years, 100 years, or 500 years. Fossil fuel resources will run out eventually at the current growing rate of consumption, no one can argue this point.

Secondly, just wanted to point out helpfully that I believe the title is wrong. You refer to the IEA in the rest of the article, and the title says IAE.




RE: Food For Thought
By masher2 (blog) on 6/9/2008 11:09:38 AM , Rating: 2
> "This includes greatly expanding wind power, solar power, and nuclear power...What about these provisions is so bad?"

The first two.


RE: Food For Thought
By wordsworm on 6/9/08, Rating: 0
RE: Food For Thought
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 6/9/2008 11:26:58 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Nonetheless, nuclear power is not smart - it's just a nasty accident waiting to happen.

I hope you are joking.


RE: Food For Thought
By KaiserCSS on 6/9/2008 11:38:07 AM , Rating: 5
Stop thinking like a child. Your fear-mongering has been echoed by many an ignorant person. Those who protest nuclear energy need to do some actual research instead of spouting this "nookular accident" bologna.

The Chernobyl incident was the result of poor design and maintenance. The Three Mile Island incident involved the reactor experiencing a partial core meltdown. However, the reactor vessel and containment building were not breached and little radiation was released to the environment. A testament to solid design.

New technology and solid designs have severely reduced, if not eliminated, many of the hazards surrounding nuclear power plants. The fears expressed by the public are created by ignorance. A nuclear power plant is not "a nasty accident waiting to happen". You could say that about a great many things. New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen. The Space Shuttle was a disaster waiting to happen. The presidential election of 2008 is a disaster waiting to happen.

Here's something else:

"A coal power plant releases 100 times as much radiation as a nuclear power plant of the same wattage. It is estimated that during 1982, US coal burning released 155 times as much radioactivity into the atmosphere as the Three Mile Island incident."

I could go on and on, but I think I've made my point.


RE: Food For Thought
By porkpie on 6/9/2008 11:41:51 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
A coal power plant releases 100 times as much radiation as a nuclear power plant of the same wattage
And coal plants release a lot more nasty toxins than just radioactivity. By protesting nuclear power, enviro-whackos have kept all those coal plants running. Way to go, guys!


RE: Food For Thought
By FITCamaro on 6/9/2008 2:41:01 PM , Rating: 2
Just more evidence they could care less about the environment.


RE: Food For Thought
By Symmetriad on 6/9/2008 3:58:56 PM , Rating: 3
Hey, not all of us are on the same leaky boat as the Greenpeace granola patrol. As a moderate environmentalist, I fully support nuclear power as the most viable long-term alternative for a main power source. Despite all the FUD and NIMBYism afoot, modern reactor design is very safe, and you're not about to have three-eyed fish swimming in the rivers any time soon - certainly no more than relying on coal. Most reasonable people I know - environmentalist or not, liberal or conservative - believe nuclear power is our best option right now and are pissed at all the stupidity keeping it from becoming more prevalent in the United States.


RE: Food For Thought
By Ringold on 6/9/2008 11:52:18 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/

Nuclear used 0 times.

McCain's site references it several times, and the last time I saw him on CNBC on Kudlow and Company, he wouldn't stop talking about nuclear power. I believe that was a coded message that a Republican might not necessarily want translated on national TV: I'm on this environmental bandwagon because I have to be, but I'm not a communist, I have sound policies.

Meanwhile, Friends of the Earth has been running an anti-McCain ad which includes an attack on his support of nuclear.

You moderates are not at all in control, and if the movement is to be respected at all, moderates have to retake control. Unfortunately, I think there are fewer of you than you believe..


RE: Food For Thought
By onwisconsin on 6/10/2008 10:34:00 AM , Rating: 2
So what has McCain done for Nuclear Energy? Talk is cheap; any politician can do that and "flip flop" later


RE: Food For Thought
By masher2 (blog) on 6/10/2008 10:43:46 AM , Rating: 2
> "So what has McCain done for Nuclear Energy?"

The 2007 cap-and-trade bill he introduced in the Senate would have given proceeds from the sale of carbon credits to nuclear R&D. Beyond that, though -- not much.


RE: Food For Thought
By FITCamaro on 6/10/2008 3:56:45 PM , Rating: 2
Except Obama right?


RE: Food For Thought
By Ringold on 6/10/2008 4:41:16 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed, Obama supporters have to be careful with the "talk is cheap" attack when their candidate is a Freshman Senator. Cheap "talk" is his key weapon, not his thin record.


RE: Food For Thought
By jbartabas on 6/10/2008 7:06:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/

Nuclear used 0 times.


It seems clear that nuclear is not his cup of tea! Or worse, it is, but he does not want to talk about it because he does not want to loose voter who are radical green.

I don't agree with what you say about Mc Cain.

quote:
I believe that was a coded message[...] I'm on this environmental bandwagon because I have to be, but I'm not a communist, I have sound policies.


Let alone the "communist" reference that is irrelevant, even anachronistic, you equate AGW = radical environmentalist, hence => anti-nuclear.

One can perfectly recognize that AGW exist and needs to be tackled on, and at the same time be pro-nuclear. Actually that goes very well together as there is virtually no chance you can hinder GW without developing usage of nuclear energy.
So I don't think he pretends to be environmentalist, and, wink-wink, says he's not by openly supporting nuclear energy.


RE: Food For Thought
By Ringold on 6/10/2008 8:26:16 PM , Rating: 2
Like I've said to someone else who said they were a "moderate" pro-nuclear environmentalist; you're completely out of touch with the public front of the environmentalist movement. The ones that are setting the environmentalist agenda, the one that are influencing politicians with contributions and attack ads, are not moderate pro-nuclear environmentalists.

They're the neo-Marxists (is that better, or perhaps 'terrorist'?) who are either fabricating or simply hiding behind global warming, and I view it was the height of intellectual dishonesty to suggest otherwise when these most prominent, public environmental groups in the nation and in the world slam every solution put forth by moderates and conservatives alike, including nuclear and coal+carbon capture. They've had a cow over South Dakota's new refinery, and they can't stand the idea of drilling in a tiny patch of land in ANWR, or the Gulf of Mexico or off the coast of California, to relieve short term supply shortages. Instead, they push solar and wind, neither of which are viable as reliable sources of power.

Don't believe me?

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/nuclear

http://action.foe.org/content.jsp?content_KEY=2720...

Not only is there anti-Nuclear BS there, they've apparently caught on that at these price levels coal-to-liquids may be viable, and are ramping up their assault on that energy solution as well. No solution can be allowed to prosper!

http://www.sierraclub.org/energy/renewables/index....

Even for ecoweenies they don't have the balls to have the strong language of their peers, but they do refer to nuclear as polluting at the above, and have a dedicated anti-coal campaign.

http://www.earthjustice.org/news/toms_turn/going-n...

EarthJustice tries to play coy, but they cough up their view eventually. No balls there, either.

http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/climate_...

WWF jumps on the anti-nuclear bandwagon as well.

McCain was therefore distancing himself from those people, whom you apparently choose to completely ignore. He wasn't apparently talking to you. He was talking to his base and to moderates with their eyes open, those who see those environmentalists for what they are, and who have questioned his credentials. Many Republican's fear he's just as bad as many environmentalists, and he's trying to counter that.


RE: Food For Thought
By jbartabas on 6/10/2008 8:35:02 PM , Rating: 2
You should slow down on coffee...

The point was: he does not have to pretend anything regarding combating AGW and promoting nuclear energy, they're not exclusive at all.


RE: Food For Thought
By theslug on 6/11/2008 10:15:07 AM , Rating: 2
Could, or couldn't?