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Apple was likely boosted by its spread of releases in late 2012, including the iPhone 5 in September and the iPad mini in November

Samsung is still the leader when it comes to mobile device shipments, but Apple is right on its coattails. 

According to a new analysis from the International Data Corporation (IDC), Samsung continued to lead the way in device shipments with 21.2 percent unit shipment share in the fourth quarter of 2012. However, Apple is sneaking up on Samsung with 20.3 percent in the same time period. 

On the revenue front, Apple is still far ahead with 30.7 percent share in Q4 2012 compared to Samsung's 20.4 percent. 

Apple was likely boosted by its spread of releases in late 2012, including the iPhone 5 in September and the iPad mini in November. 

IDC's report said that global shipments of smart connected devices increased 29.1 percent from 2011 to 2012, bringing the total number of shipments over 1 billion. This is a value of about $576.9 billion.

IDC said this growth was mainly due to the explosion of tablet popularity, where tablet shipments increased 78.4 percent in 2012 compared to 2011 (over 128 million tablets were shipped worldwide in 2012). 

For this year, tablet shipments willl likely surpass desktop PC shipments (which will decrease 4.3 percent). In 2014, tablets will surpass portable PC shipments. 

While both tablet and smartphone shipments are expected to increase this year 48.7 percent and 27.2 percent respectively, Apple and Samsung are on the verge of releasing new competitive tech -- smart watches. Apple is expected to release a device as soon as this year, which would take the mobile device sector into the realm of wearable tech.

Source: Business Wire



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Except...
By rs2 on 3/27/2013 12:50:24 AM , Rating: 2
Apple isn't competing for volume against Samsung. Apple is competing against Samsung and *every other company that produces Android devices*.

Such is the downside of going the proprietary, vendor-lock-in route in hopes of creating and exploiting a monopoly. Apple's relative performance against just one other company says next to nothing about the overall competitive landscape in the marketplace.




RE: Except...
By MScrip on 3/27/2013 2:49:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:

Apple is competing against Samsung and * every other company that produces Android devices *.

And how are all those Android companies doing? Samsung is doing fine... of course... but when was the last time you heard anything positive about anyone else?

HTC represented just 3% of smartphone sales last quarter... and their profit dropped 91% from the prior quarter too. The general consensus is that the HTC One is their last chance.

Motorola does fairly well in the United States with their Droids... but they're still no match for Samsung. And who knows how well Motorola smartphones sell outside of the United States.

And then there's LG... not much happening there either.

In terms of unit sales... HTC, LG and Motorola don't even appear in the list of Top 5 smartphone vendors anymore.

The real movers and shakers are now Huawei, Sony and ZTE... but they still trail behind Samsung by a large amount.

So yeah... it appears that Samsung is Apple's biggest competitor.

quote:

Apple's relative performance against just one other company says next to nothing about the overall competitive landscape in the marketplace.

Take a look at this chart:

http://i2.wp.com/boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.c...

Apple is in 2nd place in unit sales behind Samsung. But does that mean Apple is in trouble? No way.

I'd say Apple is doing very well in the competitive landscape considering they only sell phones for $450 and up.

Oh sure... the "other guys" sell more units collectively... but that's been happening for years now.

And yet... I haven't seen anything bad happen to Apple as a result.

I mean... Huawei is the 3rd largest smartphone vendor in the world... so where are all the articles about Huawei putting Apple out of business? Or anyone?

Again... I'd say Apple is competing fairly well against the Android onslaught.


RE: Except...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/13, Rating: -1
RE: Except...
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/27/2013 8:11:58 AM , Rating: 1
16GB $649.00 Available to ship:

Within 24 hours

They don't sell any iphone for 450.


RE: Except...
By ilt24 on 3/27/2013 9:54:36 AM , Rating: 2
The $649 is for a 16GB iPhone 5. They still sell the iPhone 4s and the iPhone 4 which sell for less.


RE: Except...
By rs2 on 3/27/2013 9:30:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And yet... I haven't seen anything bad happen to Apple as a result.


So then I take it you haven't been following AAPL over the past 6 months? Most companies rightly view losing one third of the company's value as something "bad" happening.


RE: Except...
By MScrip on 3/27/2013 6:28:13 PM , Rating: 2
Apple can't control people buying and selling Apple stock.

Apple just had its best-selling iPhone quarter in history... with 47 million iPhones in just 3 months... or 500,000 iPhones sold every day ... and insane profits too.

And the stock tanks.

What heck is Apple supposed to do?

Maybe people should invest in safer companies like HTC ;)


RE: Except...
By Tony Swash on 3/27/2013 8:18:23 AM , Rating: 1
This is an interesting article on mobile device business strategies called "Android’s Penetration Vs. Apple’s Skimming Marketing Strategies"

http://techpinions.com/androidss-penetration-vs-ap...

Here is how the article ends

quote:
The current meme is that Apple MUST abandon their skimming strategy and pursue a price penetration strategy instead. However, the facts simply do not support this contention. Apple could, of course, “buy” more market share simply by lowering their prices, but this has two major disadvantages. First, the market share that they would be buying is worth far less than the market share that they already own. Second, a lower price would lead to lower profits as well. It is obvious – or rather it SHOULD be obvious – that this could be counter-productive.

There’s nothing wrong with market share and I’m quite certain that Apple would be more than happy to expand their market share – but not at any price. For example, Apple has some 70% market share in iPods and around 50% market share in iPads. Yet they are doing this while still maintaining their price skimming strategy.

Price skimming is neither the only strategy nor is it the only superior strategy. It is just one of many marketing strategies. However, Apple is executing the strategy of price skimming brilliantly…even if Wall Street and the pundits stubbornly refuse to acknowledge it.


RE: Except...
By MScrip on 3/27/2013 6:50:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:

Apple could, of course, “buy” more market share simply by lowering their prices, but this has two major disadvantages. First, the market share that they would be buying is worth far less than the market share that they already own. Second, a lower price would lead to lower profits as well.

That sums it up.

Currently, Apple's phones start at $450... but the average selling price of the iPhone is actually above $600. And Apple is obviously happy with that plan.

You can buy an Android phone for around $150. And, not surprisingly, they sell a ton of them.

But like the article said... that market share is worth far less.

In India, a country with a billion people, the iPhone can cost 4 times as much as an Android phone. Again... it's no surprise why Android market share is so high. Symbian is still a major player in India as well.

So... is it better to sell more cheap things? Or fewer expensive things?

Should Apple get involved in the race to the bottom?


Not according to plan
By Tony Swash on 3/26/13, Rating: -1
RE: Not according to plan
By Nortel on 3/26/13, Rating: -1
RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/26/2013 6:34:47 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/26/13, Rating: 0
RE: Not according to plan
By Tony Swash on 3/26/13, Rating: -1
RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/26/2013 8:29:05 PM , Rating: 2
You mean like the one where you imagine everything as a threat and you perceive anyone with anything bad to say about Apple as saying they are "doomed" and "failing"? No one says anything like that. All anyone is saying is that the free ride is over and now they are going to have to work for it. Alot of people all over the planet, industry insiders, techies, engineers, Steve Wozniak (keeps saying it), and normal end users are saying the iPhone is falling behind in features and functinality. Every few months the list grows and Apple's stays the same. As of now, of the 4 major smartphone OS's (IOS6, Android4.2 , WP8 and B10) IOS is in last place. On top of that Apple's stubbornness to embrace larger screens, HD res, and many many many other missing features dont help it. We all see it, as do the market analysts. Pretty much everyone sees that but you. But then again, you aren't here to "see" anything are you. You are strictly here on your agenda to spin it up.

Whatever, consider your "spin" now counterspun, so now an uneducated newbie that visited the site today wouldn't be led astray.

I wonder if your wife is jealous of Apple. YOu clearly have WAY too intense feelings for it.


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/26/2013 9:06:15 PM , Rating: 1
And the CyanogenMod founder who just quit Samsung compared TouchWiz to Froyo. Oh no, Android is dead! /sarcasm

What features and functionality is iOS really falling behind on? A good UI? Android doesn't even have a horse in that race. TouchWiz, Sense, and stock Android aren't even good. iOS may be stale but it certainly isn't worse than any of the above. Windows Phone actually owns having the UI, hands down. Things like live tiles and unified contact organization, efficient and genius. It doesn't have enough users to support a good app market, unfortunately.

If we're talking about functionality then apps are a defining characteristic, and the gap in app quality is only widening. Windows 7 is functionally similar to Window 98, but I don't complain about it being "stale", I just want a stable OS with lots of apps. iOS is the mobile analog to that.

If big screens mean that much to you then great, but that's a preference because it is directly tied into ergonomics. Its like saying that everyone should like the same mouse, which is ridiculous. I've pocketed a GS3 several times and its too big, and single handed operation is even worse. Good single handed operation is actually a practical benefit. If you've got baggy fat pants and you don't mind inferior apps, a sluggish UI, and half the battery life, then great, but not for me. :)


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/26/2013 9:20:06 PM , Rating: 2
I totally agree with the first part though:
quote:
You mean like the one where you imagine everything as a threat and you perceive anyone with anything bad to say about Apple as saying they are "doomed" and "failing"? No one says anything like that. All anyone is saying is that the free ride is over and now they are going to have to work for it.


Competition is good, always is! The deficiencies you give iOS are way overstated though, given how excellent the iOS ecosystem is and how good their hardware continues to be. When they start slacking is when they'll have something to worry about, and the iPhone 5 and iPad 4 are the best mobile products Apple has released. The iPad Mini will be meaningful once it gets a retina display. Until then, meh, my eyes are spoiled. :)


RE: Not according to plan
By xti on 3/26/2013 9:25:12 PM , Rating: 2
i loaded a custom rom and immediately went back because i like the touchwiz notification pull down screen thingy.

idk why...but i do.


RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/26/2013 9:40:37 PM , Rating: 2
"A good UI? Android doesn't even have a horse in that race. TouchWiz, Sense, and stock Android aren't even good."

The hell they arent. IOS so so... vanilla and the lack of widgets is a joke. So backwards in 2013. I do like WP8, but its not all that. Android is up there with it. At least mine is.

"What features and functionality is iOS really falling behind on?"

Are you really asking that question?

- Larger Screens
- Higher resolution screens with better DPI
- Better Edge to Edge display (no giant iBezel)
- Micro SD card
- Removable batteries
- NFC
- 802.11ac
- Mini HDMI port
- Better Notifications
- Faster Voice search
- Widgets
- Live wallpaper
- Multi user support
- Multi Window support
- pop up browser(in a window)
- Wireless charging
- Eye recognition in UI
- Waterproof models
- Air gestures
- Active stylus support
- Flexibility in OS (Tons of Custom ROM's, etc)
- Flexibility in hardware
- Micro USB

Jeebus what are you even thinking? And before you poo poo alll over that list, I know its not all important to every user, but alot of it is to alot of users. FFS that list ist getting bigger every few months while IOS stagnates. Your overstating the app difference, and understating the usefulness of the features on that list. I have said this before, the iPhone is a low end phone with a high end SOC period. There is absolutely no valid argument that you can come up with against that statement. But I do agree, if you like a small screen with low DPI, and don't care about any of the things on that HUGE list, then the iPhone is a great phone, great build quality, and really great speed/power ratio. To be that fast and efficient is an achievement. Too bad about all its missing.


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/26/2013 10:23:10 PM , Rating: 2
Android's UI is nowhere close to WP8, sorry.

quote:
IOS so so... vanilla


So is Windows, but it has lots of great software. Why should I care about superficial things when I have a more stable OS with way more developers making stuff for it?

And yes, I've seen that list numerous times. Here's mine.

- Faster smoother performance in things as basic as the main UI and web page scrolling
- More and significantly better apps that Android users clamor for
- Longer battery life
- Better screens. HTC's are the only ones that come close

The only one in your list that actually really matters is multiuser support; that would be great for the iPad. Everything else is either an engineering tradeoff for a smaller chassis (SD card, removable battery, also in devices like the Nexus 4), doesn't matter (I have one MicroUSB device, a Kindle, and I wish it could use the more durable Lightning instead), are silly gimmicks, or are features that have been in iOS apps since 2009.

I know you really believe that this is hurting Apple's sales. The iPhone 5 outsold the total number of GS3 sold in less than two months. Every one of the nearly 50 million iPhones sold last quarter are in the high end category while only a quarter of Samsung's sales are their flagship.

I get that you like Samsung's stuff, even though there are currently better Android devices out there, and maybe you're really proud that the number is boosted by cheap slow devices running an old OS. That said, to say that Apple's sales are declining because of your list, one that is in a niche of the high end, flies in the face of reality.


RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/26/2013 10:34:07 PM , Rating: 2
My what a small list you have ;).

Who said anything about Samsung? I am looking at Opti G pro, xperia z or the Google X phone depending on what it has.

Bleh... Whatever, this is the same stale debate that never changes, other than my list growing and yours staying exactly the same :p


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 2:01:53 AM , Rating: 2
I don't need to pad a list out with insignificant features.

There aren't enough pages to fill in the exclusive or better apps that iOS has, even from the same cross-platform developer. Your list is pretty desperate if "live wallpaper" and "microUSB" is how deep you have to dig.

Excellent performance (look at that GS4 running JB stutter in the UI and browser), great battery life, great screens, the best applications. It's all I need.

Applications alone is the most important thing of all, unless you just use your smartphone like a dumbphone. "Applications" is something that is always changing with a gap in quality that continues to widen. If seeing the best Android app news of last week be ports of 2 year old iOS reminder and coupon clipping apps while iOS gets the newest Blizzard game (cross play with PC and Mac) and a straight PC port of XCom Enemy Unknown is "stagnation", I can deal with that.

Unlike you I don't have schadenfreude over "other" users either, wondering in forums why their platform isn't worth it to the biggest developers to support. It would be great if the platform was good or big enough to support the quality of apps that iOS has.


RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/27/2013 8:20:36 AM , Rating: 2
Okeeedokeey, you keep your iPhone then. You asked what features and I posted it. I dont need to hear your same tired debate. I have heard it before and I disagree. Using a 2 month prior to release ROM from one single model phone really doesnt mean anything. If they dont fix it prior to release then its on them, not something I will buy anyhow. I still dont see your imaginary thing with apps, and I am tired of debating it. You haven't said anything new in 6 months. Much like the iPhone, you just keep regurgitating the same things againa dn again and acting like its new ;)


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 6:42:19 PM , Rating: 2
What imaginary thing with apps? The difference is so obvious! It happens all the time, and we happen to be talking about this only days after Blizzard announces a new franchise that is on iOS with cross-platform play with PC/Mac, the same day 2K Games announces a faithful PC port of X-Com Enemy Unknown to iOS, neither of which have plans for an Android port. People on other platforms are wondering (yet again) why they aren't getting a version of their own.

I have folders and folders of apps that either don't exist on Android like Alien Blue, Prompt, Reeder, PCAM, or have better versions of the same app (TwitchTV, Yelp, This American Life, Google Maps for chrissakes). Even the app I use to buy movie tickets from a specific theater (Arclight Cinema, check it out if you're ever in Cali! :) ) is only on iOS.

If you don't care for more or better apps, or you're happy taking that compromise for bigger screens and SD card slots, I totally understand that. Lots of people make that choice, I think it is completely legitimate, and no platform in existence has everything perfect. To be in denial over the difference in apps or downplay the other inherent advantages of iOS being a unified platform is weird though. Its a glaring difference in platforms that users complain about, and its a difference that developers have to explain all the time.


RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/27/2013 7:54:39 PM , Rating: 2
"What imaginary thing with apps? "

Yawn... The one you keep going on and on about for the past 6 months. The one where you think Apples 800,000 apps are far better than Androids 800,000 apps. Jebus, get over it. Its not like Apple isa 10 and Android is a 1 on a 10 scale. Its more like Apple is an 8 and Android is a 7. As far as fully featured, the iPhone is a 3 and Android is a 9, so I go that route for now, until something surpasses Android, then I go that route.


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 11:54:57 PM , Rating: 3
Who cares about numbers? Low quality filler and malware. Android could have greater numbers than they do now and they still don't match the quality since developers still treat is as purely secondary. You keep ignoring the objective difference in quality, even from Google, as well as continued increasing in iOS development while Android gets left behind on the latest software.

Biggest iOS news from last weekend, an all new game from Blizzard and a 100% faithful PC port of XCom 2012 from 2K. Biggest Android news from last week, ports of a two year old iOS coupon clipping app and an Evernote clone. Are you going to bury your head in the sand if MS releases Office for iOS with a long delay for Android as they've done with every other one of their apps?

A year ago I was certain that the app gap would have closed, but its actually gotten wider even with ports trickling in. So many core apps I use still don't have Android counterparts, and the few ones that do are either worse or aren't fully supported. Fewer high end Android devices and a fragmented user base that spends less money within that small niche ensures that.

Maybe you should tell Blizzard, Microsoft, 2K, EA, Epic, and every other mid size developer (the ones that make Jasmine, Alien Blue, Reeder, Prompt, Coda, etc) that pursuing iOS apps while ignoring Android is a waste because of "imaginary" advantages.


RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/28/2013 8:59:52 AM , Rating: 2
to borrow your own tired argument I don't need to pad a list out with insignificant games.


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/29/2013 2:19:00 AM , Rating: 2
Those games were mentioned because that's what was just announced and because they are major developers (Blizzard, 2K, etc).

The thing is that superior games are also reflected by superior everything else. Games are just the tip of the iceberg, iOS applications are just as superior in every other category.

I knew you were going to try and deflect the point by saying they were only games, so I made a point of only using productivity apps and such as other examples. It doesn't matter though, your heads in the sand, so much so that you invent or twist things around.

Speaking of twisting reality, I forgot to address you mentioning Woz. He might have issues with iOS, hell, I have issues with iOS, no platform is perfect, but his main platform is still iOS, and its all about the apps.

He goes specifically into applications and practical use here: http://youtu.be/0tpv6-LiDfQ

As he says, applications define use.

For most people you get inferior use with inferior apps. If applications didn't matter to me then I'd get a Chromebook. Maybe Chromebooks would suit all the other people here who say that apps and games don't matter.

If inferior apps, poor OS update support, a less polished OS and UI, etc, are offset by gaining a 5"+ screen, SD card slots, and removable batteries, fantastic, go for it then, this is why choices exist. No platform is perfect.


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/29/2013 2:25:36 AM , Rating: 2
Like, I specifically brought up a best-in-class mobile SSH app and RSS reader, and you can only fixate on games, "insignificant" because Android doesn't get that level of software.

I can see it now, when Microsoft releases Office for iOS with a long staggered release on the Android version, it will be "Office doesn't matter" from you. Always deflecting.

I guarantee that something like Blizzard's newest game (forget productivity apps) would be on your comically massive list if they felt that Android was worth supporting.


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/29/2013 2:51:44 AM , Rating: 1
In the mobile app world its closer to Android being a 5 (you at least get Netflix and Angry Birds) and iOS being a 9.

Apps are features. Better apps = better features.

How can Android be fully featured if the best developers still treat it like a red headed stepchild or don't consider it at all? Even Google releases better iOS versions of their apps.

This is like explaining to a Linux zealot that most Windows apps are actually better than what's on Linux but he won't accept it because of his zealotry.

Oh, right, you can swap the battery. Amazing feature, my old Nokia dumbphone had one of those. Its obviously better than an iPhone with performance that runs rings around anything else right now. Its also amazing that some of the "new" Android functionality that you're bragging about right now was available in iOS apps four years ago. Such a leap forward.


RE: Not according to plan
By Rukkian on 3/27/2013 10:26:04 AM , Rating: 2
Again, that is all your opinion. I know my wife has an iphone, my son has a touch, and several relatives also have iphones - guess what there has not been one thing they can do that I cannot with my Gnex. There is not a single app they can get that I cannot that I would want. On top of that, most of the apps I get for free (or greatly reduced price) they pay much more for.

That is what matters to me. As for smoothness, you have no clue. You have probably never used pure stock (or even a good custom rom). I get so much more control of my device to do what I want, when I want, and get any apps, or media I want from where I want. I am not censored by anybody (many books have been banned by apple because they have links to competitors), who knows what else does not get through. If Google were to ban something, I could always get it somewhere else. No company should have that power over you.

As for windows phone, with the right widgets, I can get the same thing windows phone has if I wanted it, but do not want any part of it. I don't like big icons that look like an old phone made with huge buttons for semi-blind people.

All of this is again, my opinion. I know you do not come here to discuss, you (like Tony) are only here to show how much you love the cult that is apple, and don't want to hear anything bad, have fun with that.


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 6:13:42 PM , Rating: 2
If you don't really use apps then I get it. I do, and moving to another platform would be a huge downgrade right now. Maybe your relatives need a good list? :)


RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/27/2013 7:50:37 PM , Rating: 2
" I know my wife has an iphone, my son has a touch, and several relatives also have iphones - guess what there has not been one thing they can do that I cannot with my Gnex. There is not a single app they can get that I cannot that I would want. On top of that, most of the apps I get for free (or greatly reduced price) they pay much more for."

Yup.

"That is what matters to me. As for smoothness, you have no clue."

Yup

"As for windows phone, with the right widgets, I can get the same thing windows phone has"

" I know you do not come here to discuss, you (like Tony) are only here to show how much you love the cult that is apple, and don't want to hear anything bad, have fun with that."

LOL Yup... Nailed it.


RE: Not according to plan
By xti on 3/26/2013 10:50:38 PM , Rating: 2
i think as a community, we need to quit asking for a 2nd battery and start asking for a first good one.


RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/26/2013 11:18:44 PM , Rating: 2
A replaceable battery isn't about making up for poor battery life, its about having your phone useable for days and days when you are unable to charge it. Business trips, camping, vacation, hurricanes, or any extended power outage. Especially when travelling... Sometimes you can be traveling for days on end with no way to conveniently charge it and nothing to do but play on the phone.


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 2:11:38 AM , Rating: 2
I travel from LA to NYC or Europe for work pretty regularly. Access to power hasn't been an issue. You get ridiculous browse time and it has like 40 hours of continuous use as a music player. The iPad functions as a mobile hotspot for 25 hours without charging. At worst you can get a tiny Mophie pack to charge them remotely, but I haven't had the need for one.

And yes, replaceable batteries are currently a way to make up for poor battery life. How is it fair that a little iPhone 5 with faster performance has double the LTE and wifi battery life of a GS3? HTC's newest devices have even worse battery life (unfortunate drawback since I really do like the One otherwise).

One integrated battery with double the battery life is better than one you have to swap with half the battery life, no? Do you carry three spares with you, four? How is it budgeting between charging the phone and then the batteries separately when they're all dry? Don't you want better battery life instead? You figure a huge device with a much bigger battery would do better.


RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/27/2013 8:13:53 AM , Rating: 2
BS. LA, NY and Europe are all short hops. I haven't recently, but used to travel to Asia alot, that is an 18 hour flight and often has a stop somewhere. Just because the flight is X time doesn't mean you have the ability and time to stop and plug it in. Dont even try to tell my your iPhone can last 24 hours ON while the screen is ON playing games or doing whatever and it doesnt last 2x as long. It has lower talk time and comparable standby time to any major Android phone. It does excel in browsing time, but even at its best point you cant browse for over 24 hours with it with the screen on. Now what if you arrive, and then go to visit whatever sites, going from place to place and still cant plug it in? It gives you options. Even the best battery smartphone on the market, the razr MAxx cant last in that scenario.

I get that you dont need a replaceable battery. Hell, I really dont any more either, but cant you comprehend that SOME people use it more with less access to electricity and do? FFS, everything is a debate with you, its not about you.


RE: Not according to plan
By Rukkian on 3/27/2013 10:34:29 AM , Rating: 2
I would be okay with a huge battery built in, but like to be able to swap it. I had my dad switch from an iphone 4s to a razr maxx hd, and he is easily get 2.5 to 3x more battery life (even with lte) than his iphone ever did. I personally want to have to freedom to swap a battery (maybe not as a spare, but like the option to go to a bigger one if needed). The GS4 has a battery the size of the Razr Maxx with a faster, more eficient processor than either the maxx or the iphone, so we shall see at that point.


RE: Not according to plan
By kmmatney on 3/27/2013 7:03:26 AM , Rating: 2
I'm a 1K frequent flyer on United, and travel frequently, all around the world, and I've never had a need for a second battery (iPhone 4S). On very rare occasions I'll charge my phone from my laptop (it has a USB port that charges even when the laptop is turned off) and that is all I've ever needed. If I ever did need another battery, I'd probably just buy an external USB rechargeable gizmo, so at least that will work with other devices.

Most of my co-workers have switched to Apple phones from Android, due to crappy battery life. The only Android phone I'd consider is the Note II, just for the longer battery life. Hopefully the GS4 improves on this. If you need a second battery, then you don't have a good phone.


RE: Not according to plan
By xti on 3/27/2013 11:36:19 AM , Rating: 2
the reviews say it, and the only thing i hate about my GS3 is the awful battery life.

i understand when a 2nd battery comes in need, but like the user above said it a 2nd battery should be an awesome travel feature, not a normal daily necessity.

i dont want to turn my brightness down to 33%. I dont want to buy juice defender( i did..) i dont want to not install sportcenter because it constantly updates, i dont want to setup 4 hour syncs for my widgets...

but i wont go back to iphones smaller screens so I bought the 2nd battery :)


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 6:10:13 PM , Rating: 2
What a reasonable response, holy crap DT! :)


RE: Not according to plan
By Wulf145 on 3/27/2013 5:52:39 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
- Multi user support


Can anyone explain why I, or anyone else for that matter, could possibly need Multi user support on a Phone?


RE: Not according to plan
By xti on 3/27/2013 11:37:42 AM , Rating: 2
so that tony doesnt have to sign in everytime to his other DT accounts.

FIVE ME.


RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/27/2013 11:44:15 AM , Rating: 2
- So you can have a work and a personal profile
- So you can have a profile for your children to use to play games

Its an option for those that want it and like most of the things on that list with IOS, its NOT an option.


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 6:08:30 PM , Rating: 2
It really isn't needed on a phone, but multi-user support on a mobile OS tablet would be great.


RE: Not according to plan
By half_duplex on 3/27/2013 11:54:15 AM , Rating: 1
- Larger Screens (cool, I guess, if you don't mind the size)
- Higher resolution screens with better DPI (Retina > pentile)
- Better Edge to Edge display (no giant iBezel)(who cares)
- Micro SD card (less people need them then don't)
- Removable batteries (because you have to)
- NFC
- 802.11ac
- Mini HDMI port
- Better Notifications (lol)
- Faster Voice search (wrong, I've had GSII and 3 iPhones)
- Widgets (and keyloggers on Android Market)
- Live wallpaper (does this really factor into your purchase?)
- Multi user support (a decent plus to Android)
- Multi Window support
- pop up browser(in a window) (just a difference in OS)
- Wireless charging (a plus)
- Eye recognition in UI (this isn't even out yet)
- Waterproof models (waterproof cases)
- Air gestures (see above)
- Active stylus support (who wants a stylus to lose)
- Flexibility in OS (Tons of Custom ROM's, etc) (and half are buggy)
- Flexibility in hardware
- Micro USB (non issue)

I laugh when I hear a Samsung own talk about Android. They don't have Android. There are more lines of proprietary Samsung code and carrier (bloat/shitware) on your phone than there is Android code. My iPhone is simply lean, elegant native C code written by professionals. When I download an app, I know it's been scrutinized by top notch developers.

Anyway, rant over, I'm waiting on HTC One because I'm finally feeling the urge for a larger screen and something different... I'll prob focus my phone-hate back to Apple once I make the switch.


RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/27/2013 12:51:56 PM , Rating: 2
You really need to educate yourself...

(Retina > pentile) - Yes, and most current high end android phones, are LCD, not pentile and are higher res, and DPI.

- Better Notifications (lol) When you get your One, you will see and be glad for it.

- Faster Voice search (wrong, I've had GSII and 3 iPhones)

Um, update to todays models. Google Now is faster and more functional than Siri. Again, When you get your One, you will see and be glad for it.

- Eye recognition in UI (this isn't even out yet) - Yes, it is. LG and Samsung have had it for a while. Not the scrolling, just that it recognizes when you are looking and doenst shut off.

- Active stylus support (who wants a stylus to lose) - 10 10 million and counting.

As for the rest, I agree. Not everyone uses everything of course. The point is IF you want those features you CAN get them on Android and CANNOT on IOS. What is so hard to get about that. People rail againats that list "I DONT USE SD CARDS" well good for you, I do.


RE: Not according to plan
By MaulBall789 on 3/29/2013 10:26:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
- Active stylus support (who wants a stylus to lose) - 10 10 million and counting.


I have terrible news for you retro. But Active stylus works just fine on any iOS touchscreen device, whether it's supposed to be natively supported or not. They are all capacitive touch screens, why do you think these active styluses would not work on Apple's same capacitive touch screens (most of which were made by Samsung)?


RE: Not according to plan
By Tony Swash on 3/26/13, Rating: 0
RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/26/2013 9:59:47 PM , Rating: 3
LOL. Stop acting like you dont comprehend. Its is about features and all that Apple lacks. I don't expect you to post it, what with your agenda and all, but between us, I know you know what I mean and you know its true.


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/26/2013 8:55:04 PM , Rating: 2
Reduced income != reduced sales.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/03/24/apple-negat...

Analysts are speculating reduced net income based on lower profit margins because the new iPhones cost more to produce. It is the same thing that happened last quarter even though their sales and gross revenue increased.

quote:
The problem for Apple is not that its business is collapsing. Indeed, the projected revenues of $41 to $43 billion Apple offered analysts in its quarterly guidance would represent another record second quarter for the company.

Rather, it's what analysts call a "tough compare" in terms of gross margins -- a measure of the efficiency with which a company turns revenue into profits. Last year at this time Apple's gross margin peaked at an extraordinary 47.37%. This year, following the introduction of a slew of new products -- including new Macs, iPhones and iPads -- it is projecting gross margins somewhere between 37.5% and 38.5%. That's what's driving the income down. Wall Street seems to be betting that in the next six to 12 months, those numbers have nowhere to go but up.


Unless you're trading then I don't see why this really matters though. I've booked about $15k betting against AAPL the last several months, but again, this is all beside the point.

The part of these numbers that matter to me as a user is the distribution of the types of devices sold. Last quarter about 50 million iPhones were sold, most of them being the high-end iPhone 5. Last quarter Samsung sold 60 million smartphones but only about 15 million were the flagship GS3. Most of the devices sold were low power units like the Rush, the Prevail, Reverb, GS3 Mini, GS2, etc. Even in its initial release the GS3 made up just a fraction of Samsung's sales. It took over half a year for the GS3 to sell what the iPhone 5 did in only a few weeks, and this is the best selling high-end Android smartphone by a wide margin.

While there is denial here that the lower number of high end Android devices sold and fragmentation do not matter, they actually matter to developers and users.

I've mentioned apps from numerous developers, big companies like Microsoft, Epic, and even Google being on iOS first and usually better than their Android counterparts, or they're exclusive. Even the promised Baldur's Gate Android port still has no release date. This weekend was no exception.

Blizzard just announced a brand new game, Hearthstone, coming to PC, Mac, and iOS. It has cross platform play between all platforms and no plans for an Android version. 2K Games announced a full complete port of the PC version of X-Com Enemy Unknown to iOS, also not on Android: http://youtu.be/uL9ttVBADDA

They both make perfect sense for touch, one being tactical strategy and they other being a CCG. It also makes sense because the majority of iOS devices can run these games well and its the same hardware/OS base. As with every major iOS release, forums are yet again filled with Android users who are asking for the games but don't understand or accept that their platform is too small and fragmented to be worth supporting yet. Its like Linux users who complain about why Windows gets everything, except that Android users automatically assume because they're entitled because they're on "the most hardware". It doesn't mean much when capable hardware is a small fragmented niche that's a mess to support.

Meanwhile the biggest news in Android apps last week was... a port of an old iOS coupon clipping app and Google's version of Evernote: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/03/this-week-i...

The biggest news in Android apps last year were ports of ancient iOS apps like Flipboard and (lol) Instagram.

A year ago I honestly thought that the app gap between iOS and Android would have closed up by now, but the gap is actually widening.

I dunno, you're so desperate to paint iOS as bad that you even mention Blackberry, a platform with no developer support and inferior hardware, as better. If being on the largest and most unified base of high-end hardware with lots of software matters to you, then iOS is obviously the the best choice. If you value other things like giant phones then there are others like Android. The newest HTC devices are really good. If you specifically want the best mobile UI then there's WP8, but unfortunately for me the app situation is bad there too. Otherwise I quite like it.


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/26/2013 9:15:39 PM , Rating: 2
And since you seem to care more about financial hoo-hah rather than things like better applications, component quality, battery life, or a solid OS, Foxconn just reported increased revenue and profit margins on the back of the iPhone and iPad: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2013/...

quote:
Hon Hai Precision Industry Co Ltd (????) shares surged to more than a one-month high yesterday after the company reported record-breaking quarterly net profits due to improved prices and production yield for Apple Inc’s new iPhones and iPad Mini tablets.

...

The strong quarterly net profit was primarily driven by “higher selling prices for new products and improved production yield,” Daiwa Capital Markets analyst Birdy Lu (???) said, adding that Hon Hai chairman and chief executive Terry Gou (???) has said the iPhone 5 was the most difficult product to produce among Apple’s iPhone series.

“Hon Hai has raised its prices for making the iPhone 5 and the iPad Mini,” Lu said.

Better selling prices and a higher yield helped boosted Hon Hai’s gross margin to its highest in three years at 9.58 percent last quarter, up from 8.89 percent the previous year and 9.54 percent in the third quarter of last year, Lu said.


RE: Not according to plan
By retrospooty on 3/26/2013 9:42:41 PM , Rating: 2
I really dont at all. I care about the tech. I just put all that up to rain on Tony's idiocy parade.

But, its all over financial channels, sales are expected to be lower this year for the first time ever and its because the competition has caught up.


RE: Not according to plan
By TakinYourPoints on 3/26/2013 10:08:36 PM , Rating: 2
Not according to the CNN Fortune article I read, they're looking at higher sales with lower margins.


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