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NASA has been forced to delay the shuttle Atlantis launch due to a failure aboard Hubble

A "significant anomaly" aboard the Hubble Space Telescope has forced NASA to delay the shuttle Atlantis launch until at least February 2009 NASA officials said at the start of the week.  Atlantis was launching to Hubble to help repair it for the final time, and the mission was scheduled to launch in two weeks, but NASA must now test a spare computer that could help solve the issue.

The crew members of shuttle Atlantis were supposed to conduct five scheduled space walks during the 11-day mission aboard the aging space telescope.

The shuttle Endeavour mission, which would have been on standby in case of an emergency aboard Hubble, could be moved up two days to Nov. 14, shuttle programmers said.  Due to the high risk of the mission, in which the astronauts are in the wrong orbit to go to the International Space Station (ISS), some space observers said the Hubble repair simply isn't worth the risk.

Hubble is now unable to format or store any data collected from its instruments, and can no longer transmit the information to researchers on Earth.  The problem lies in the Science Instrument Command and Data Handling (SIC&DH) Unit, which is responsible for the Science Data Formatter aboard the Hubble.

Hubble operators expect to use a backup channel to help bring the telescope back into service sometime this weekend, or early next week.  But since switching over will leave the telescope without a backup, the astronauts aboard Atlantis are expected to fully replace the failed unit.

"If we just switch over to Side B of the Science Data Formatter, we would be left with a system that has several single-point failures, and that would be a risk to the mission for the long duration," a NASA official said.

Researchers are still unsure what caused the problem, but guess long-term space radiation could have damaged the instrument, which operates at a high temperature.

Each month the Hubble repair mission is delayed costs NASA around $10 million.



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Satellite Tech support
By iheartzoloft on 9/30/2008 5:38:03 PM , Rating: 3
Houston, ill be needing a laptop lots of coffee and a really really long patch cable to upload my init 6 command.




RE: Satellite Tech support
By austinag on 9/30/2008 5:44:04 PM , Rating: 5
They won't admit it, but I'd bet they are staring at a blue screen of death.


RE: Satellite Tech support
By iheartzoloft on 9/30/2008 5:48:57 PM , Rating: 3
Too bad they did not opt for the extended warranty, could have had a tech sent out in 3 or 4 days for onsite motherboard replacement. Who said warranties were useless?


RE: Satellite Tech support
By 4wardtristan on 10/1/2008 2:09:32 AM , Rating: 2
not if its through asus!

(i have had shocking exp. with asus server warranty)


RE: Satellite Tech support
By Mitch101 on 9/30/2008 5:50:16 PM , Rating: 2
Yup its time to upgrade to 2000, 2003, 2007, XP or Vista. That will take care of that Blue Screen Windows ME issues they are having.


RE: Satellite Tech support
By Souka on 9/30/2008 5:59:11 PM , Rating: 2
don't think so... it's running on a 486 processor...

"http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/12/27/hubble_tel..." article from 1999


RE: Satellite Tech support
By MAIA on 9/30/2008 7:59:54 PM , Rating: 2
Funniest part is that some people think NASA uses windows in this kind of stuff.

They probably do with other kind of work! Like when producing spreadsheets or letters ...


RE: Satellite Tech support
By Mitch101 on 10/1/2008 10:57:33 AM , Rating: 3
My comments were just to rebut how moronic it is to make a blue screen comment today.

It is funny some people think windows is installed on these kind of things. I tried to focus and this paper clip popped up "I see your having trouble focusing"


RE: Satellite Tech support
By mindless1 on 10/1/2008 6:51:07 PM , Rating: 1
Which is worse, making a joke about bluescreens or calling people morons on the internet?


RE: Satellite Tech support
By DeepBlue1975 on 10/3/2008 8:30:02 AM , Rating: 3
Seeing a blue screen coming off a moron's face?


RE: Satellite Tech support
By PrinceGaz on 10/2/2008 3:21:49 PM , Rating: 2
Even though it is below the stated minimum requirements for Windows 2000, it can be installed and run successfully on a system with a 486 processor. You probably wouldn't want to though, unless you have a DX2/66 or better still a DX4/100.

XP won't install however because it does a hardware check during the install. I wouldn't be surprised if XP could run on a 486, assuming you find a way to bypass that hardware check.


RE: Satellite Tech support
By cheetah2k on 9/30/2008 10:07:45 PM , Rating: 2
Are you insane?? Vista!???

The Side A Formatter with Windows ME probably needed a security update, but as MS isnt supporting Windows 98 anymore, it got hacked by the Chinese and crashed! hehe

^.^


RE: Satellite Tech support
By Fnoob on 9/30/2008 11:05:33 PM , Rating: 4
Nah, prolly just need to reload drivers.

We need a whole shuttle mission just so someone can go up there and click 'next' and 'finish'.


I wonder.....
By DPigs on 9/30/2008 5:38:26 PM , Rating: 5
Did they try unplugging it and then plugging it back in???




RE: I wonder.....
By kiwik on 9/30/08, Rating: 0
RE: I wonder.....
By therealnickdanger on 9/30/2008 6:46:04 PM , Rating: 5
Doesn't mean it won't work...


RE: I wonder.....
By MAIA on 9/30/2008 8:01:53 PM , Rating: 2
Call the space elevator !!!


Side B?
By c4v3man on 9/30/2008 6:33:49 PM , Rating: 2
Usually when my cassette tapes stop working on Side A, Side B stops working too... They must have some new-fangled tech up there...

On a more serious note, what is side B being used for right now anyways? I would assume they have alot of redundant systems onboard, and I would assume that side B is the backup for side A... If the satellite's not working right now, why worry about single-points of failure anyways? How could it get worse than it is right now?




RE: Side B?
By hellokeith on 9/30/2008 6:39:20 PM , Rating: 2
I listened to the teleconference yesterday. Goddard estimates Hubble will be back up and running 100% on side B within 2 weeks.

Actually, it's good this unit failed now with the likelihood that it will get replaced (albeit with a short mission delay). Imagine if it had failed after this last servicing mission. All kinds of finger pointing and unkindliness would be coming out of congress.


RE: Side B?
By EODetroit on 10/1/2008 11:03:41 AM , Rating: 2
I agree completely. Far from being poorly timed, this failure, if it was going to happen sometime no matter what, is far better to have happened now than later.


RE: Side B?
By MAIA on 9/30/2008 8:03:33 PM , Rating: 2
They use vinyls, not cassettes .


RE: Side B?
By nugundam93 on 10/6/2008 4:40:14 AM , Rating: 2
but not with undies? LOL!

back on topic, i would have assumed they'd have more backup systems than a side B but oh well, hubble designer i am not. :)


I don't get it
By amanojaku on 9/30/2008 6:02:09 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
"If we just switch over to Side B of the Science Data Formatter, we would be left with a system that has several single-point failures, and that would be a risk to the mission for the long duration," a NASA official said.


If Side A isn't working then doesn't that mean Side B is a single point of failure by default? And why can't they switch to Side B temporarily while the astronauts fix Side A?




RE: I don't get it
By Ammohunt on 9/30/2008 6:27:30 PM , Rating: 4
Becasue side A has the song they want to listen too all the crappy songs are on the B side.


Amazing
By dickeywang on 10/1/2008 5:13:23 AM , Rating: 5
We can throw in 700B to reward the Wall street for their failure, but we don't have money to repair our telescope and support one shuttle.




What?
By mkruer on 9/30/2008 8:13:41 PM , Rating: 2
No one even suggested hey try Ctrl+Alt+Del?




RE: What?
By JediJeb on 10/1/2008 3:41:08 PM , Rating: 2
Just don't joke about using Format c: as a repair. We used to do that all the time. Then one night someone from work called and said his computer wasn't working, that he had tried using Format c: and it still wouldn't work.


They ran out of Disk Space
By TheNuts on 10/1/2008 1:21:50 PM , Rating: 2
Just need to use a hole punch to make the 5 1/4" floppy double sided




RE: They ran out of Disk Space
By timmiser on 10/2/2008 6:17:41 PM , Rating: 2
Wow. You are as old as the hubble!
:)


Summary
By Fnoob on 9/30/2008 11:01:34 PM , Rating: 2
a)"Hubble operators expect to use a backup channel to help bring the telescope back into service..." [good plan]

b)"If we just switch over to Side B of the Science Data Formatter, we would be left with a system that has several single-point failures" [not much of a backup then huh?]

c)"switching over will leave the telescope without a backup" [no backup backup?]

d)We anticipated this kind of problem 20 years ago [erhmm...]




High temperature?
By Murloc on 10/2/2008 8:17:30 AM , Rating: 2
These OEM cases really suck.




Photoshop
By RandallMoore on 10/2/2008 5:05:09 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if they have used photoshop to spoof pics from the hubble?...




The Hubble can wait.
By Reclaimer77 on 9/30/08, Rating: -1
RE: The Hubble can wait.
By maven81 on 9/30/2008 6:33:30 PM , Rating: 2
Right, because taking money away from Hubble will magically fix the gas issue?


RE: The Hubble can wait.
By Reclaimer77 on 9/30/2008 6:49:13 PM , Rating: 3
No but we have to start somewhere.

Lets face facts. Nasa has been a tax money shreader for the better part of two decades. And they aren't the only government agency that has been by any means.

The Hubble can wait. I'm not saying don't fix it ever, by why the rush ?


RE: The Hubble can wait.
By lennylim on 9/30/2008 7:27:37 PM , Rating: 2
Because we do what we can when we can do it. The universe is not single threaded, in case you haven't noticed.


RE: The Hubble can wait.
By Jim28 on 10/1/2008 4:55:33 PM , Rating: 2
If you live in ATL GA then it is because of a specific blend shortage there. I was up there last week, couln't find any gas. On the way home about 60 miles south of ATL on 75 I had no trouble buying it! Imagine that stupid special blend causing an artificial supply problem! All those stupid blends we have we need at the most 4 blends.

James


RE: The Hubble can wait.
By maven81 on 10/2/2008 2:30:50 PM , Rating: 2
The rush is because there's a small window to do such a mission. There are a limited number of shuttle flights left, and after that hubble is on it's own. So if it's not fixed in the next year or so, that's it.
Frankly if you put so little value on science, I'm not sure why you'd be visiting dailytech in the first place.


RE: The Hubble can wait.
By mindless1 on 10/1/2008 6:58:22 PM , Rating: 2
(Re)allocating funds to prevent future gas shortages by having ample reserves and a more robust delivery system is magic? OK!


RE: The Hubble can wait.
By maven81 on 10/2/2008 2:36:26 PM , Rating: 2
Why is NASA everyone's favorite whipping boy when it comes to budgets? Why do I get the feeling that you didn't even blink when the friggin congress just added an extra 150 billion to an already massive 700 billion bill that's not even guaranteed to work? This talk is disgusting.


RE: The Hubble can wait.
By mindless1 on 10/2/2008 5:37:58 PM , Rating: 2
There are plenty of other programs I'd like to see reduced or cut, don't think everyone picks on NASA just because it's the topic du jour.

You get the feeling I didn't even blink because you have an active imagination and can't accept that you have no idea what someone is thinking until they tell you.

I think the 700 billion was already ridiculous, that (for example since it was already mentioned) fuel stores and delivery redundancy is more important than that too. Above all, government is meant to govern, keep society functional. Society has benefitted from the space program but nobody said we should do away with it entirely, rather that everything has to be prioritized.

Let me put it another way. I am a taxpayer and was lucky not to have been without gasoline recently - but if I were, at that instant suddenly anything NASA is working on has no value to me compared to being able to go to work, the grocery store, etc.

Here's what you should do if you own a car- Don't drive it anymore, send your monthly fuel bill directly to NASA as a donation. Encourage everyone else to do the same and see if the majority who are able, still drive.


RE: The Hubble can wait.
By maven81 on 10/2/2008 7:30:32 PM , Rating: 2
People most definitely do pick on NASA more then most other government agencies. Just on Dailytech alone there's always been someone that expressed this sentiment for as long as I've been here.
Somehow I haven't seen this sort of talk about other government programs. But your example doesn't apply anyway. It is the state's responsibility to sort out the gas situation, not the federal government's.
I also find the idea that Nasa's small budget could make any difference to anyone silly. Far more money is being used elsewhere, which you yourself acknowledged.


RE: The Hubble can wait.
By mindless1 on 10/3/2008 9:36:26 PM , Rating: 2
You see more comments about NASA because on Dailytech NASA is mentioned far more often than other government agencies, since it's a tech news site.

If the states aren't getting the problems solved the federal government should and sometimes does step in. Is it actually the states who have an oil reserve or the federal government? It seems you overlook this factor.

Yes NASA's budget is small compared to some programs, but any way you look at it we somehow do determine what that budget will be. Should it be exactly what it is, a little higher, a little lower? Where is the reasonable limit here, are you suggesting it should be exactly what it is or more likely suggesting it should be even higher?

As I mentioned previously you are welcome to donate your money to any organization you want it to go to, but the rest of us, both as taxpaying citizens and with our remaining disposible income, can reasonably feel the money should go elsewhere to things that impact us more.

For example, what is the real loss if we didn't have people on the ISS for a year? How would that effect your life in any significant way? It's a small amount of money in the grand scheme of things to pay for a ride, but when government time is spent on such matters instead of other matters, it's not just the money that is significant, it's whether other problems are being addressed in a timely manner, problems that many people are effected by more than what NASA is or isn't doing.


RE: The Hubble can wait.
By RabidDog on 10/1/2008 8:59:00 AM , Rating: 1
And buying the SUV seemed like a GREAT idea at the time. Who knew?!


RE: The Hubble can wait.
By ebakke on 10/1/2008 10:04:36 AM , Rating: 2
Oh, there are gas supplies for Prius and small car drivers? I assume that includes scooters, yes?


By Laughing all the way 2220 on 10/1/2008 3:29:20 PM , Rating: 2
No, no it says, "Please put the Windows CD in that came with the computer."


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