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For now, Huawei is sticking with Google and Android

Huawei is making a hard charge to become a dominant player in the global smartphone market. According to IDC’s figures, Huawei shipped 20.3 million smartphones globally during Q2 2014, which put it in third place behind Apple (with 35.1 million units shipped) and Samsung (with 74.3 million units shipped).
 
Most remarkable, however, is that Huawei’s Q2 shipments grew a stunning 95.1 percent year-over-year.
 
When it comes to keeping up this fast pace of growth, it looks as though Huawei will continue to focus primarily on Google’s Android operating system according to Richard Yu, who heads up the company’s consumer business group. In an interview, Yu made it clear that Windows Phone has been a dead-end for Huawei, and that its previous efforts to embrace the platform didn’t pan out to well.
 
“We have tried using the Windows Phone OS. But it has been difficult to persuade consumers to buy a Windows phone,” said Yu in an interview with The Wall Street Journal.  “We were losing money for two years on those phones.”
 
According to IDC, Windows Phone’s global smartphone OS market share during Q2 stood at just 2.5 percent, which was actually down from 3.4 percent during the same quarter in 2013.


Huawei Ascend P7
 
It’s interesting to note, the Yu is somewhat uneasy about being dependent on Google as its sole operating system provider (as is Samsung, hence its development of the Tizen operating system).
 
“We have worries about Android being the only option, but we have no choice.”
 
And speaking of Tizen, Yu sees no future for the operating system following its own efforts to research the platform. “We feel Tizen has no chance to be successful,” Yu added.
 
Even Samsung appears to be having second thoughts about Tizen, as the company has dragged its feet for months with the launch of the “Z” smartphone. Samsung canceled the Japanese launch of the smartphone earlier this year, and then delayed the launch of the smartphone twice in Russia. The latest reports suggest that the project has been shelved completely.

Source: The Wall Street Journal



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What are they doing?
By jeepga on 8/25/2014 8:45:49 AM , Rating: 2
I'm curious what these companies are doing to try to persuade people to embrace the platform.

I don't see Microsoft doing much of anything. Wishful thinking and empty promises don't count.

I don't see any hardware manufacturers pushing it.

I don't see carriers pushing it. You can hardly get representatives to acknowledge their existence in the store.

At this point in time considering the options, I wouldn't choose anything but a Windows Phone. The sad thing is that many people don't get to see how great they are. I don't know what I'll do if Windows Phone goes away.




RE: What are they doing?
By CSMR on 8/25/2014 8:52:50 AM , Rating: 2
MS has made a lot of mistakes in mobile but is doing something finally now:

1. It is developing the platform rapidly and in my opinion WP8.1 is the first good Windows Phone OS for many years. WP8.1 update 1 is also a significant improvement. And the unification with Windows RT is ongoing.

2. It is giving away the OS for free.

I think there will be fast growth once enough people have the WP8.1 update, so that app makers can use the extra features of 8.1.


RE: What are they doing?
By retrospooty on 8/25/2014 10:10:22 AM , Rating: 2
There is a whole lot is wishful thinking there, but it's not happening in reality. Last quarters #'s are out and WP's small marketshare is not only not growing, it's falling.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows-phone/24202...

It went from 3.8% a year earlier to 2.7%. Ouch.


RE: What are they doing?
By Mint on 8/25/2014 11:55:15 AM , Rating: 3
The unified OS is MS's only hope. Leveraging Windows was always the only hope of a third mobile OS emerging.

MS hurt its chances by not acting quicker, but it still has the only viable route to get past the chicken and egg problem (Tizen never had a chance). At this point, MS may possibly have to succeed alongside Intel with tablets first before WP gets any real traction.


RE: What are they doing?
By name99 on 8/25/14, Rating: -1
RE: What are they doing?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/25/14, Rating: -1
RE: What are they doing?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/25/2014 9:07:42 AM , Rating: 1
I bought a Lumia 520 a few weeks ago when Amazon had them for $40. I popped the nano-SIM out of my iPhone 5, put it in an adapter and stuck it in the Lumia. I've been using it off and on for the past week and it's "OK".

The UI is fluid, even on this low-end hardware, and I really like the live tiles as opposed to iOS' tired, static look. However, the app situation isn't where I would like it to be. There's isn't even a Nest app for me to use with my thermostats. I'm a heavy Waze user, but the WP app doesn't support sound over Bluetooth to my car and the app can only be used in portrait mode (WTF?)

I use the USPS, Fedex, and UPS apps on my iPhone. I was only able to find the UPS app. I could use third-party apps, but I prefer the account integration with the official Fedex ad UPS apps. And I can schedule pickups/order supplies/do mail holds with the official USPS app, but that's nowhere to be found.

I found an app for my Chase CC accounts, but no apps for American Express or CapitalOne.

Other apps that I regularly use that are MIA:

Time Warner Cable App (for mobile TV)
GasTracker/Fuelly
Amazon Instant Video

I also miss Facebook Paper, although that's an iOS exclusive anyway. There are other little apps here and there that are missing as well. But the ones I mentioned are the biggest blows for me.

Internet Explorer is absolute GARBAGE, plain and simple. Heck, even the Silk browser on my son's Kindle Fire HDX is better IMHO.

On the other hand, the battery life is excellent, and there's not much to complain about hardware wise given the price.


RE: What are they doing?
By Flunk on 8/25/2014 9:57:49 AM , Rating: 2
The App situation is dire because it's basically impossible to make money on the in the Windows Phone app store. No one wants to pay even $1 for apps and because sales are low it's hard to make anything with in-app ads.

I was trying to sell a few different apps but it just wasn't worth my while so I jumped out of that market and just lined up a few more custom web design clients.


RE: What are they doing?
By drothgery on 8/25/2014 3:52:27 PM , Rating: 2
Update 1 to WP8.1 fixes a lot of browser problems in mobile IE11 (most of which shouldn't be problems, but many mobile web site designers think non-WebKit mobile browsers don't exist), though you can't get it without dev-unlocking your phone right now.


RE: What are they doing?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/25/2014 5:10:17 PM , Rating: 2
I am on Windows Phone 8.1. That was the first thing I did when I took it out of the box and plugged it into the charger.


RE: What are they doing?
By Alexvrb on 8/25/2014 8:23:39 PM , Rating: 3
No Brandon... he's talking about 8.1 Update 1. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with mobile IE11 but they have to make some changes due to the current web landscape. They are adding support for some non-standard (Webkit, Safari) stuff that a lot of devs do, for starters. Webkit and Safari are doing to the web what IE once did - they are causing developers to write non-standards compliant code.

Some of these guys only test their desktop and full-featured mobile sites in the top two engines and declare it done. Worse yet, a lot of websites toss mobile IE a crappier version than they should, so the next update will change what ID it flashes to convince them to just send you a better version of the site. There's also various bugfixes and better HTML5 support.

http://winsupersite.com/windows-phone/windows-phon...

I would have figured you would already have heard about this. :-/


RE: What are they doing?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/26/2014 9:17:57 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry, I was just reading/posting too quickly on the Lumia 520 and didn't notice the Update 1 part yesterday.


RE: What are they doing?
By Labotomizer on 8/26/2014 10:33:46 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, the problem is less WebKit and more the fact that web developers detect IE and try to revert back to the older browsing engines rather than rendering the site in a standards mode like they do on WebKit. The "fix" in Update 1 is when a site is doing this the mobile browser advertises itself as a WebKit browser causing it to display properly.

It's ultimately Microsoft's own mess but they are clearly attempting to improve things by releasing browsers that are far more standards compliant. Then again, Microsoft's own partner site sees IE11 as incompatible and you have to put in compatibility mode to make it display correctly.


RE: What are they doing?
By Alexvrb on 8/26/2014 8:57:07 PM , Rating: 3
A lot of times they don't test for different versions of IE, and feed all IE versions the crap low-grade site - even though a better version of the site may work fine in mobile IE11. This is bad, but can be fixed by flashing a different badge.

But there's also many developers/sites that use Webkit or Apple specific code. Read the article I linked to. The IE team is doing a few things to help combat this, such as remapping to standards. They're also continuing to improve HTML5 support on both mobile and desktop IE.

I'm not sure how that's Microsoft's fault, exactly. It's clearly the fault of the developers, and it was encouraged/enabled by proprietary webkit and safari functionality.


RE: What are they doing?
By jnemesh on 8/26/2014 11:33:18 AM , Rating: 2
The support from third party developers is not going to improve any time soon. I work at a distributor for A/V equipment (and other "low voltage" electrical supplies) and not ONE of the brands we carry supports Windows Phone!

This includes Sharp, Samsung, JVC, Current Audio, Russound, Nuvo, Bose, Marantz, Denon, RTI, Universal Remote Control, Tivo, Lutron, Nest...the list goes on and on. Occasionally, my dealers will run into a customer (usually a MS employee)who will ask, "What about Windows Phone support?"...and it's hard for me to keep from laughing. I tell the dealers, "ask again when US market share is above 5%!".

The OS could be the greatest in the world, and it means NOTHING! The REASON that smartphones are so incredibly powerful is that they not only allow us to make phone calls and browse the internet, but they interface with all of the other electronics and services that we use on a regular basis!

If you can't use your phone for BASIC tasks, like checking your bank balance, or playing music throughout your home, or adjusting your thermostat...and other, similar phones CAN do these things, it makes avoiding Windows Phone an EASY choice!

Now, the MS fans here can flame all they want, but they are beating a VERY dead horse here. It's not a successful platform, it will never BE a successful platform. Microsoft didn't line up enough support early on, and developers have ZERO reason to support it now. Without that support, Windows Phone is as dead as the Palm Pre.


RE: What are they doing?
By Alexvrb on 8/27/2014 11:31:50 PM , Rating: 2
You're right, nobody should try to do anything because the market is taken. They should just quit now. If MS used that logic years ago, Xbox wouldn't exist.

If they keep working at it they stand a chance some day. If they just give up they're boned.


RE: What are they doing?
By Arsynic on 8/25/2014 10:22:59 AM , Rating: 1
Microsoft is just holding on until Windows 9. App availability is an issue and Windows 9 looks to remedy this.


RE: What are they doing?
By retrospooty on 8/25/2014 10:28:39 AM , Rating: 2
You make it sound like Win9 will released and suddenly there will be a plethora of apps that work on WP9. That isnt exactly what is happening. They are taking steps to standardize development on the mobile and desktop platforms, but it's not as fast or simple as you make it sound.


RE: What are they doing?
By Aloonatic on 8/25/2014 2:46:23 PM , Rating: 2
Great, so you bought a WP8 phone and..... nah, WP9 is what you need. And they will magically get businesses on board with this plan?

The thing is, as a few have mentioned already, MS can't even get big businesses/corporations on board (I'll add the BBC and Canon to the list of large corps that the previous poster has mentioned who either don't support WP at all, or do but only partially, eventually) so what chance do they have of getting smaller developers and companies on board?

My Pebble smartwatch isn't supported, and after my Xperia Z's screen shattered itself but Sony refused to replace it (%^&$ u Sony) I really wanted to jump to WP as I really like the design but I wouldn't be able to use my Pebble with it, so I ended up with a Moto G

Opportunities like this shouldn't be being missed by MS but I wouldn't be surprised if they are over and over.

MS really need to sort this out too, as more and more people are coming into contact with "computers", for the majority of the time they use them, in the form of their phones or tablets where MS has almost no presence at all and MS is an irrelevance. The major danger is that this same sentiment creeps into the home PC/laptop market and then the office too.


RE: What are they doing?
By Labotomizer on 8/26/2014 9:08:44 AM , Rating: 2
Pebble just released their app, but your point stands.

I prefer the platform but it does what I need.

Universal apps will help. Windowed metro apps will make it more worthwhile to develop a unified app that will work across both.

Will it work and help Windows Phone? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm not worried about the OS going away either which makes it just fine for me.


RE: What are they doing?
By Aloonatic on 8/26/2014 11:12:40 AM , Rating: 2
Odd, I checked the other night and looked again now and I can't see a mention of an official Pebble app for Windows Phone but maybe I have been looking in the wrong place.

That's another thing about windows phone that annoys me a little but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. When I want to look to see what app is available for my Android phone I can easy look on the play store using my PC. When I wanted to look for my father to see if the BBC iPlayer Radio app** had made it to Windows Phone I couldn't find the PC version of the WP play Store equivalent.

** Another annoying thing about WP support. The BBC used to have one app to watch catch-up TV and listen to the radio using called the iPlayer app. Then they split up the TV and radio into 2 apps. iPhone got this first, then Android, but they didn't stop the origianl app from doing both things until after the Android radio app was out there. However, they took radio support out of the original TV + Radio app on WP and there's no radio app there yet, AFAIK. Very annoying.


RE: What are they doing?
By Labotomizer on 8/26/2014 11:50:47 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. There are things I don't like about it. The Audible app does some odd things and almost never gets updated. Didn't have that problem on Android.

But overall I have what I need. And with 8.1 adding Bluetooth LE support (finally) then we should have the rest.

But overall I'm not missing anything I need. And I really can't think of anything I want that I would use on a phone that I don't have. But everyone's usage is different.


RE: What are they doing?
By Argon18 on 8/25/14, Rating: -1
RE: What are they doing?
By Labotomizer on 8/26/2014 10:29:55 AM , Rating: 1
You do know you'd say the same thing if WP had 70% market share right? Your bias is clear.

You're the same one who repeatedly posts how Linux is superior. How is it any different from those of us who prefer Windows Phone? Well, I suppose one thing is different. I don't consider it superior necessarily, I just prefer it over the competition.


It's the OS
By melgross on 8/25/2014 9:44:51 AM , Rating: 2
While I know that many of the small number of Win Phone users like it very much, the fact is that no one can sell these things. Not on the high end, and not on the low end.

There are few disputes that the hardware is good enough. So that leaves one reason. People don't want Win Phone. What other conclusion can be reached? As long as that is the problem, it doesn't matter what Microsoft and any other OEM's do.




RE: It's the OS
By stevend on 8/25/2014 10:49:20 AM , Rating: 2
How can you sell in the high end when you don't have a high end device?

Only now with the release of the Lumia 930 can you say that they have a flagship worthy of the name, before that they had only middle end phones at best, (and let's not forget the ugly, thick and sluggish Lumia 1020)

What WP needs to do is to provide better phones. A flagship with sd card support and a replaceable battery would go a long way in that direction. Instead they try to make themselves to be like some sort of IPhone only thicker.

PS : If you recall Google isn't having a lot of success selling their nexus phones and that's even with a ridiculously low price considering the hardware.
It's not only about having good devices, it's also about having a little choice when you go high end.


RE: It's the OS
By maevinj on 8/25/2014 11:55:14 AM , Rating: 2
Well HTC just released the M8 for Windows. That's pretty close to being a flagship phone.


RE: It's the OS
By Argon18 on 8/25/14, Rating: -1
RE: It's the OS
By maevinj on 8/25/2014 1:43:53 PM , Rating: 2
I thought the M8 was regarded as one of the better Android phones on the market?
Also Redmond didn't release it, HTC did.


RE: It's the OS
By Spuke on 8/25/2014 3:38:10 PM , Rating: 2
The M8 is an excellent phone and pretty well regarded.


MS needs to pay app developers
By syslog2000 on 8/25/2014 11:44:35 AM , Rating: 2
I can think of one effective way for MS to encourage companies like mine to port our apps to Windows. If an app developer had a total of, let's say, 100,000 users of their mobile app on iOS and Android, MS could provide 50 cents per user, for a total of $50K, of marketing assistance to the app publisher.

Yes, it is a lot of money, but if MS budgeted a billion dollars on such a program, they would get a tremendous amount of apps on their platform. And they can afford to do this.




RE: MS needs to pay app developers
By Argon18 on 8/25/14, Rating: 0
RE: MS needs to pay app developers
By a5cent on 8/25/2014 10:22:21 PM , Rating: 2
It's even worse then that. Start paying for apps in that fashion and every commercial app developer will stop developing for WP, until MS agrees to a cash hand out.

Even those companies who already have apps in the store would be tempted to remove them, basically holding their own apps hostage until MS pays them their dues... all in the name of fairness of course.

The idea isn't as good as it first sounds.


WIndows OS
By Bobo2014 on 8/25/2014 10:21:41 AM , Rating: 2
THe fact is , while we need a newcomer to compete with android and apple, MS windows in not the one. When MS dumped the OS win to Nokia, that was the end of it. the WIn based phone is not design in the US anymore, but in Finland, and as you remember, Symbian et al since 2001, has been a disaster for Nokia. Had MS taken over the design and development in Redmond, there maybe a chance, but when it was dumped to Helsinki (slow gigantic bureaucracy European), and couple that with testing done in far away time zone in India, then back to be integrated in San Diego by newly grad H1B management where speed is priority and quality is non existent, like the outgoing Broadcom, the fate of Win phone is sealed, unless they have a new management with quality in mind and hired local American engineers.
The Chinese has been accurate when gauging quality and survive ability if a product. WIn phone I used has been difficult to use.




bye bye winphone
By Bobo2014 on 8/25/2014 10:22:44 AM , Rating: 2
THe fact is , while we need a newcomer to compete with android and apple, MS windows in not the one. When MS dumped the OS win to Nokia, that was the end of it. the WIn based phone is not design in the US anymore, but in Finland, and as you remember, Symbian et al since 2001, has been a disaster for Nokia. Had MS taken over the design and development in Redmond, there maybe a chance, but when it was dumped to Helsinki (slow gigantic bureaucracy European), and couple that with testing done in far away time zone in India, then back to be integrated in San Diego by newly grad H1B management where speed is priority and quality is non existent, like the outgoing Broadcom, the fate of Win phone is sealed, unless they have a new management with quality in mind and hired local American engineers.
The Chinese has been accurate when gauging quality and survive ability if a product. WIn phone I used has been difficult to use.




Mobile First....
By peterrushkin on 8/25/14, Rating: 0
RE: Mobile First....
By Argon18 on 8/25/14, Rating: -1
"Let's face it, we're not changing the world. We're building a product that helps people buy more crap - and watch porn." -- Seagate CEO Bill Watkins














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