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The decision is a blow to Microsoft mobile hopes

Things sounded promising when Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) announced nine new Windows Phone commitments at the 2014 Mobile World Congress (MWC) last month.  But things took a strange turn last month when Karbonn Mobiles -- India's fourth largest phonemaker -- indicated it may only launch dual OS (or dual boot?) devices which feature Windows Phone, but also Google Inc.'s (GOOG) industry-leading Android OS.
 
China's Huawei Technology Comp., Ltd. (SHE:002502) has seemingly jumped on that band wagon.  In an interview with Trusted Reviews, Shao Yang, Huawei’s Chief Marketing Officer, indicates that dual-OS is the company's preferred strategy.  He comments:

We are still committed to making Windows Phone devices.  Compared with Android, the priority of Windows Phone is much lower but is still one of our choices of OS. We are definitely using a multi OS strategy.

With Windows Phone, one direction for us – and one that we are now following – is dual OS. Dual OS as in Android and Windows together.

If it is Windows only, maybe people will not find it as easy a decision to buy the phone. If they have the Android and Windows together, you can change it as you wish and it is much easier for people to choose Windows Phone.

We think the dual OS [device] can be a new choice for the consumer. It will be on sale in the US in Q2.

We are definitely looking at other platform.  For any new operating system we are open to. We need to watch every OS.... I think on this partner (Tizen) we are not very clear.

Huawei Girl
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With both Huawei and Karbonn it is unclear whether they are putting both OSs in the same phone (dual boot) or simply offering two different variants, one with Android and one with Windows Phone.
 
Calling Windows Phone "low priority and relegating it to Android's little helper is pretty embarrassing for Microsoft.  While any support for the world's third largest phonemaker (Huawei) is welcome, it's safe to say this wasn't what Microsoft was hoping for.



And Huawei's decision could affect some of the remaining seven international phonemakers who -- for now -- appear to remain committed to pure, exclusive Windows Phone offerings.  Could Microsoft's acquired Nokia Devices unit from Nokia Oyj. (HEX:NOK1V) be left going it alone in terms of Windows Phone exclusives?  That's precisely what Microsoft was trying to avoid.
 
On the other hand, Huawei's comments surely will capture the attention of Tizen-developer Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KRX:005930) (KRX:005935) (the world's top phonemaker) and the Mozilla Foundation, who is developing the new Firefox OS.

Source: TrustedReviews



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Win
By p05esto on 3/13/2014 12:05:39 PM , Rating: 4
Win phone users are like Apple fans in the early 90s... loyal and knew the product was excellent, never left.... but the minority. Win8 phones are excellent (unlike their desktop brothers). It's just a matter of time. I'm amazed with my Lumia, the camera, seemless integration with Windows (drag and drop, no iTunes crap).... it all just works so beautifully.




RE: Win
By Flunk on 3/13/2014 12:17:25 PM , Rating: 1
I upgraded from an HTC HD7 to a LG Nexus 5, Android's Windows integration is pretty much the same and Windows Phones. You can just copy things across.

I still like Windows Phone, but 3rd party support is terrible so I gave it up for Android. No regrets really.


RE: Win
By Labotomizer on 3/13/2014 12:47:25 PM , Rating: 2
The HD7, while nice, was still a WP7 device. WP8 is substantially better with substantially better third party support.

That said, the slow development pace of WP updates made me decide to try a Note 3. I like the phone. I loved my Lumia 928. I miss it almost daily. While the apps weren't as plentiful, the WP8 native apps that followed the Metro design principles were better than their Android counterparts. As for stability, I've rebooted my Note 3 more times in the last 4 weeks than I did my Windows Phones the entire 3 years I had them.

With the talent and money that MS has there is absolutely no reason 8.1 should have taken so long. I think that's what bothers me more than 3rd party support. I had everything I needed. With 8.1 having Cortana, Action and Notification Centers along with VPN and some other support I'll likely get a new Nokia this summer. But I wouldn't have even tried Android again if MS wasn't slacking on the updates.


RE: Win
By Reclaimer77 on 3/13/14, Rating: -1
RE: Win
By Labotomizer on 3/13/2014 7:45:42 PM , Rating: 2
I found the problem after two weeks. About twice a day the proximity sensor would get stuck on. If my hand got close to the top of the screen it would turn off. Not good when you have to touch your phone. Once I disabled all the bs Samsung sensors that stopped. It's been stable since.

Still, I was honest. I rebooted my last two phones maybe 3 times combined. I rebooted this one 14 times, at least, in two weeks.

I like the phone. I just prefer windows phone at this point. The 928 was less prone to being bogged down. If I'm typing here and an app updates the keyboard loses its mind. If I hit the home button and trigger the stupid Samsung magazine the whole thing slows to a crawl.

I won't say the 928 never did that but it did so far less often. With far slower software. It's far better than my DROID 2. But it still happens. From what I've read kit kat will help. Who knows, maybe I'll stay with Android but I'm not convinced at this point. I see why people like it but it's not as great as the Super fans make it out to be.


RE: Win
By Reclaimer77 on 3/13/2014 8:01:16 PM , Rating: 2
Okay that sucks. But you can't blame "Android" for a defective sensor really.

Samsung's reach sometimes exceeds their grasp, granted. They try to cram a lot of value into the product, and it causes problems at times.

quote:
If I hit the home button and trigger the stupid Samsung magazine the whole thing slows to a crawl.


Then reprogram how the Home button behaves :)

See I don't think you're truly utilizing the strengths of Android.


RE: Win
By Labotomizer on 3/14/2014 12:07:18 AM , Rating: 2
I wasn't blaming android as a whole. In fact I think your comparison to windows is close to the truth. Samsung has lots of extra crap running. Stock is likely a lot better. Much like a clean install of Windows compared to an OEM install.

I don't think you can change the magazine crap. It happens if you're at the home tab and hit the home button. Normally not an issue but if you're there and have the notification screen down and hit it then it triggers.

And I'm not highlighting the things that are better either. The spen is nice. In fact that's the reason I haven't rooted and installed a clean rom. The multiple clipboard for copy and paste is also awesome. Split screen comes in handy on occasion. Google Now is pretty cool and seems to get better with time. Add in the fact I didn't lose Office Mobile and XBOX music and it's not bad. Onedrive works well too. In fact those three are the reason I kept the phone past the two weeks.

I'm not unhappy with the phone. I just preferred Windows Phone. But I'm a gadget guy so I had to give Android a fair shake. I don't knock your opinion in the slightest nor do I try to convince people windows phone is better. I tell friends and coworkers what I like and show them the features. I'd rather see Google succeed than apple after all.


RE: Win
By retrospooty on 3/13/2014 1:50:37 PM , Rating: 2
"I upgraded from an HTC HD7 to a LG Nexus 5, Android's Windows integration is pretty much the same and Windows Phones. You can just copy things across."

To be honest, this isnt that Android or WP is good, they all do that. This is an area where Apple lacks, and all others are good. It's not that anyone is standing above the rest, Apple is just standing below the rest. It's quite simple. Plug in phone, appears as flash drive - copy files. WTF Apple?


RE: Win
By Reclaimer77 on 3/13/14, Rating: -1
RE: Win
By Labotomizer on 3/13/2014 12:49:30 PM , Rating: 2
And you're like the Win 9x fanboys. Instead of disputing reasons why someone thinks Windows Phone is better you simply state their "Annoying, ignorant, oblivious and arrogant". Surprised you don't debate professionally with arguments like that.


RE: Win
By Reclaimer77 on 3/13/14, Rating: 0
RE: Win
By Wolfpup on 3/14/2014 10:01:18 AM , Rating: 2
Are you saying Windows 8 isn't great? I love it, and actually like RT too.

Windows Phone 8 is something totally different, though I like it a lot more than Android.


Dual boot?
By Motoman on 3/13/2014 11:46:54 AM , Rating: 5
I see no sensible reason to put 2 OSs on a phone and have it dual-boot. That's retarded.

However, it makes all the sense in the world to make one hardware device and then offer a choice of the OS on it. I'd like to see that become common, honestly...let the consumer find the hardware that they feel best suits their needs, and then get it with the OS that they're most comfortable with in using.




RE: Dual boot?
By NellyFromMA on 3/13/2014 12:45:58 PM , Rating: 1
If you can do one, why can't you do the other?

If a device is flexible enough to dual-boot, that's already a step ahead of your suggestion as it inherently means the device is capable of what you're asking for.

Isn't the Android crowds main rallying cry for the OS it's flexibility? All of a sudden Android phones just got a whole lot more flexible. How is that retarded?


RE: Dual boot?
By Motoman on 3/13/2014 1:10:07 PM , Rating: 3
Why waste the storage space? Let's be serious - you're either going to spend your money in the Android app store, or the Windows app store. You're not going to do both.

And with the very finite amount of storage space on a phone's internal memory, there's no way to justify it even just from a standpoint of wasting that space.


RE: Dual boot?
By retrospooty on 3/13/2014 1:55:04 PM , Rating: 1
"Isn't the Android crowds main rallying cry for the OS it's flexibility? All of a sudden Android phones just got a whole lot more flexible. How is that retarded?"

It's not. I would like it. Not that it's terribly useful for normal people, but the nerd in me would love to play with both. The only thing is I wouldn't want to compromise and get a phone that wasn't as good as I wanted in order to get dual boot. If the phone had all the features I wanted and had dual boot, I would definitely get it over a phone had all the features I wanted and had didn't have dual boot.


RE: Dual boot?
By NellyFromMA on 3/13/2014 3:19:07 PM , Rating: 2
Definitely. I wouldn't want to sacrifice the quality of my phone over it, but its definitely a cool feature for a niche group primarily.


RE: Dual boot?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/13/14, Rating: 0
RE: Dual boot?
By NellyFromMA on 3/13/2014 3:21:24 PM , Rating: 2
Don't you ever get tired of your 'in-your-face' style post where virtually no one agrees with you even if they have similar view points for fear of being in any way associated with you. You're abrasiveness is difficult to overcome so at this point I'll just prefer to ignore you entirely. I'm not trying to convince YOU of anything. You should probably be evaluated for one or more psychiatric or psychological disorders.


RE: Dual boot?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/13/2014 3:33:09 PM , Rating: 1
The post I was replying to was just as "in your face" and "abrasive" as mine.

You were trolling and got me to bite. I would think you'd be happy.

quote:
You're abrasiveness is difficult to overcome


What about my post was even the slightest bit "abrasive"? I didn't insult you, I didn't curse you, I didn't yell at you.

At worst I'm curt. I agree, I'm very curt, and that admittedly comes off looking harsh on text. But hey, you try making this many posts a day without being curt!


How do you figure?
By amanojaku on 3/13/2014 12:08:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Calling Windows Phone "low priority and relegating it to Android's little helper is pretty embarrassing for Microsoft.
How many Windows phones did Huawei sell last year? Not many, since Huawei, Lenovo, and LG had a combined market share of 14% (Huawei's is around 5%). That's Android AND Windows Phone. Other than PR, MS wouldn't be missing much since Huawei sells less than five Windows Phone models (I think it's two), and those sales are disappointing.

MS has to drop its licensing fees if it wants to grow Windows phone sales. Windows Phone fees push the device cost up, which is opposite the current trend. Huawei doesn't have a flagship with the recognition that Apple and Samsung have, so it's not going to sell a bunch of expensive phones.

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/01/28/apples-smar...

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/huawei-targets-us-sm...




RE: How do you figure?
By Flunk on 3/13/2014 12:18:40 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think changing the fee is going to help. They need to convince more people to buy Windows Phones, either through better App support, marketing or some sort of killer Windows Phone only functionality.


I must be missing something
By NellyFromMA on 3/13/2014 12:44:02 PM , Rating: 2
How is DT spinning this as a blow to Windows Phone? Isn't it basically a win for MS that for an Android device sold, they have the option of either asking for a royalty or providing the user access to the OS they otherwise may not have been so inclined to access?

It seems like a great way to expose people to Windows Phone who otherwise would not initially choose to do so. It also seems like a great transitional device for those who tried WP and preferred it over Android.

Why would ANYONE think this is a blow to MS? It's arguably a bigger win than doing whatever it takes to behoove OEMs to pick it exclusively.

I must be missing something. Two OSes is way better than one.




RE: I must be missing something
By Reclaimer77 on 3/13/2014 3:15:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why would ANYONE think this is a blow to MS?


You serious? Because it shows that Microsoft can't do it alone. They need to use an OS from their main competitor, Google, to generate interest in their own.

The entire Windows Phone platform, as Microsoft envisioned it, is failing. Hardware vendors refused to pick it up, leading to MS's gratuitous licensing fees being slashed or waived. Consumers refusing to pick up a Windows Phone, leading to some ridiculous mutant dual-boot phones.

quote:
Two OSes is way better than one.


Just...lmao! What? That's how a 12 year old would see this situation.


No Thanks
By ResStellarum on 3/13/2014 3:18:21 PM , Rating: 2
I'll stick with pure Android. I can't stand those fugly metro-sexual tiles. I want a decent phone not a fisher price toy.




By SpartanJet on 3/13/2014 3:34:36 PM , Rating: 2
I will give my money to Windows Phones makers thanks. No loss to me I'd never buy your phones anyway.




By CSMR on 3/17/2014 11:58:00 AM , Rating: 2
Windows Phone has been poor over the last few iterations but with the forthcoming WP8.1 it looks like the are moving fast to add features and unify the phone and tablet platforms.

A Windows Phone / Windows RT combination would have RT power and the ability to make phone calls and access the phone app store. If they get to this point they will be in a clear lead technologically IMO.

I think a dual boot strategy makes sense, so you can buy android now, and when the Windows Phone OS and app store improve, convert it to Windows Phone. Or buy WP to try out, and if you don't like it switch to android.




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