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Honeywell's new Lyric thermostat takes direct aim at Nest

When it comes to programmable thermostats, the Nest Learning Thermostat usually gets top billing. The Nest Learning Thermostat’s round design, intuitive interface, and energy saving features were enough to win over quite a few customers (and the ire of Honeywell which responded with lawsuits citing patent infringement).
 
But instead of lawsuits, this time around Honeywell is responding with its own stylish thermostat that takes direct aim at Nest. Honeywell’s new Lyric thermostat incorporates many of the features that made the Nest so popular (including a rotating bezel to scroll through settings and the ability to learn your heating/cooling habits), but also includes geofencing to further enhance the Home/Away settings found on the Nest.

 
With geofencing, the Lyric can automatically put your thermostat into an energy saver mode when you leave the house. But more importantly, it can sense when you are returning home based on the location of your smartphone and automatically turn on the heat or A/C to your preferred temperature setting. This is a step up from the Nest thermostat which will only adjust the temperature if 1) it’s on a preset schedule, 2) you manually change it with your smartphone app, or 3) you walk past the thermostat to “wake” the system.

 
Besides the geofencing, much of the other functionality is quite similar to the Nest including the ability to alert you when you need to change your filters, and adjust temperature settings in your home based on both indoor and outdoor humidity, temperature, and weather.

 
"Most people don't have a predictable pattern to how they live their lives; why not have a thermostat that adjusts based on your real-time schedule?" says Beth Wozniak, president of Honeywell Environmental and Combustion Controls. "With the Lyric thermostat's geofencing capability, my house returns to my preferred comfort setting when I'm within a few miles from home. Quite simply, the Lyric thermostat offers me the ability to keep my life in tune – delivering comfort when I'm home and savings when I'm gone."

 
Honeywell’s new Lyric thermostat is currently available for HVAC contractors, and will be available to retail customers in August for $279.

Source: Honyewell



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not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By sprockkets on 6/10/2014 10:32:10 AM , Rating: 2
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This is a step up from the Nest thermostat which will only adjust the temperature if 1) it’s on a preset schedule, 2) you manually change it with your smartphone app, or 3) you walk past the thermostat to “wake” the system. - See more at: http://www.dailytech.com/Honeywell+Responds+to+Nes...


What do you mean by preset schedule? The Nest learns your patterns of leaving and arriving and sets it as such.

Not that I recommend the Nest.

This one is designed by people who know what they are doing so it probably won't suffer the BS problems the nest does, but I'm still skeptical.




RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Flunk on 6/10/14, Rating: 0
RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Nortel on 6/10/2014 10:59:18 AM , Rating: 2
I can straight up guarantee they out sourced the software to another firm. Even the design was likely created "in collaboration" with design house.

End of the day.. it's a thermostat.. I just can't get excited about this gimmicky stuff.


RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Jeffk464 on 6/10/2014 1:17:43 PM , Rating: 2
With nest being purchased by google google is going full bore into home automation. Pretty soon the thermostat will just be part of you whole home automation system and I find that pretty exciting.


RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Argon18 on 6/10/2014 2:58:31 PM , Rating: 2
I don't. Google is an advertising company first and foremost. So instead of just tracking your every email and web search, they'll now also track your habits around your home. They'll store all this in a database and compile profiles. They'll sell those profiles to marketers, and when you turn the heat up a few degrees in the winter time, your SmartFridge will bombard you Snuggie informercials.

Funny how people get all riled up at the NSA tracking peoples communications and patterns, but shrug their shoulders when Google/Facebook/etc does the same and more.


By amanojaku on 6/10/2014 3:21:08 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Funny how people get all riled up at the NSA tracking peoples communications and patterns, but shrug their shoulders when Google/Facebook/etc does the same and more.
Google isn't trying to throw you in prison. It doesn't even have that power.

The NSA, CIA, etc... Have abused their powers under both parties. They don't need any more.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/10/2014 3:41:22 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah funny how people get more upset at the NSA (illegally) assuming we're all terrorists than a company selling advertising.

What a crazy world we live in! God people are stupid...

/s


By superflex on 6/11/2014 3:11:03 PM , Rating: 2
Wait until someone hacks your home automation system.
You'll be less than excited.


RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By eek2121 on 6/10/2014 11:29:21 PM , Rating: 1
I wouldn't touch that honeywell thermostat with a 10 foot pole. i've dealt with enough vendors (ahem, Bosch?) to know that big companies can't do anything right. Don't be surprised if you find it has a default hard wired password of 12345678 that can't be changed.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/11/2014 9:46:37 AM , Rating: 2
12345678? Amazing! I have the same combination on my luggage!


By kattanna on 6/10/2014 10:50:14 AM , Rating: 2
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so it probably won't suffer the BS problems the nest does


i would be interested in hearing what issues you have had

me.. I had issues with the AC compressor turning off.. or the fan and compressor turning off, while the thermostat was still calling for cooling, ie it was blue.

the issue was the old four wire control cable, which worked fine when it was installed in 1969 and was connected to an old toggle thermostat.

the nest though needs additional power and I had to run another power cable to the common C input. I did that using a 24VAC convertor, $20 on amazon, connected the wires to the C & Rh terminals, and its good to go now.

though.. I could fault nest for not alerting me to the issue ahead of time, that it was having power issues.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/10/2014 10:56:45 AM , Rating: 5
Having a Nest, you can set it to adjust the temperature based on your parameters. ALSO, after about a week or two or monitoring your behavior, the Nest will fine-tune those temperature parameters based on your comings and goings.

However, the Nest is still adjusting temperature based on a preset schedule -- either one set by you, or one set by the Nest.

With the Lyric, it takes things a step further by actually changing the temperature based on your location.

Let's take this example

Nest: My Nest has learned my routine and knows that I will be home by 5PM, so it turns the A/C on automatically at around 4:45 to make sure that it's at my set temperature at 5PM and maintains it.

If I decided to come home at 6:00 instead, the Nest would still come on at 4:45 and maintain my temperature... wasting over an hour of runtime.

Lyric: It has a 7-mile geofence radius. So if I start making my way back home and cross the 7-mile barrier, the system will kick on to pre-cool instead of turning on based on a predetermined time schedule.


By Monkey's Uncle on 6/10/2014 11:50:26 AM , Rating: 2
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Lyric: It has a 7-mile geofence radius. So if I start making my way back home and cross the 7-mile barrier, the system will kick on to pre-cool instead of turning on based on a predetermined time schedule.


Not all that helpful if you live within 5 miles of your home or you forget/leave your phone at home.

I hope this feature can be disabled.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/10/2014 12:06:23 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Not all that helpful if you live within 5 miles of your home or you forget/leave your phone at home.

I surely hope that you live within 5 miles of your home ;)


By kattanna on 6/10/2014 2:53:37 PM , Rating: 2
I LOL'd

thanks


By Monkey's Uncle on 6/10/2014 4:32:03 PM , Rating: 2
LOL ya.

But I think you get the meaning here if you work just a few miles away from your home, this location feature would be pretty useless. :D


RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Reclaimer77 on 6/10/14, Rating: 0
By bah12 on 6/10/2014 5:10:48 PM , Rating: 2
Yep a Glass sensor will detect a flush in skin cells, and determine I'd like it cooler than usual... I for one welcome our thermostat overlords.


By Monkey's Uncle on 6/11/2014 9:49:47 AM , Rating: 2
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Brother, it's gonna know if you're even thinking about cooling or heating! :P It'll know if you're even thinking about going home lol.


Just waiting for the NSA to backdoor Lyric...

http://images.lazygamer.net/2013/07/wpid-tin-foil-...


RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Jeffk464 on 6/10/2014 1:13:54 PM , Rating: 2
Apple complains about knock off designs, holly poop you can't get more of a knock of than this.


RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Argon18 on 6/10/14, Rating: -1
By bigboxes on 6/10/2014 9:20:10 PM , Rating: 3
Big Box? Hmmmm...


By atechfan on 6/10/2014 7:46:12 PM , Rating: 2
Thermostats were available in models that were round with a dial on the outside long before Nest was conceived. Smart thermostats were also around long before Nest. Nest doesn't have a leg to stand on if they try to claim Honeywell is copying them.


By BillyBatson on 6/10/2014 2:47:40 PM , Rating: 2
"the problems that nest does"
what problems might those be!? I have owned the original Nest for 4 years now and my family and I have not once had a problem with it. Really easy setup, it learned our habits over time, and has never once done anything weird or failed to perform. It does exactly what it advertised. So what is the problem? I would definitely recommend Nest to anyone wanting a useful thermostat or a smart thermostat.
Maybe a thermostat isn't the sexiest sort of tech to be featured online and not something our younger readers would be into. However If you are a home owner, own property in colder or hotter climates, would like to save money on heating/air, or simply want a stylish term that you don't need to really set up, Nest is a great bet and quite exciting!


WP8 Support
By Ristogod on 6/10/2014 10:31:12 AM , Rating: 2
Does this have app support for Windows Phone 8/8.1 ?




RE: WP8 Support
By sprockkets on 6/10/2014 10:34:11 AM , Rating: 2
Nope.

Android app isn't available yet either.


RE: WP8 Support
By Monkey's Uncle on 6/10/2014 11:52:30 AM , Rating: 3
then for certain they would not get me as a customer.


RE: WP8 Support
By melgross on 6/10/2014 1:26:45 PM , Rating: 1
Good!


RE: WP8 Support
By djcameron on 6/10/2014 11:32:20 AM , Rating: 2
I already sent them an email asking for WP8 support. Encourage others to do the same!


RE: WP8 Support
By superflex on 6/11/2014 3:13:55 PM , Rating: 1
Maybe they can provide support for Windows ME too.
Both as useful as tits on a bull.


RE: WP8 Support
By Fanatical Meat on 6/10/2014 11:37:24 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know for sure but I am pretty confident that a WP8/WP8.1 could do it from the browser. An app is more convenient but Windows Phone 8 does not have many apps, which is a shame because its a great mobile device.


Not sure how this helps
By mike8675309 on 6/10/2014 1:08:24 PM , Rating: 2
Will this thermostat be able to explain to my partner that when the A/C can't keep up that simply turning the thermostat down will not make things cooler?

I know the many times I've explained it has yet to have stuck.




RE: Not sure how this helps
By kamk44 on 6/10/2014 2:07:53 PM , Rating: 2
I need one that has a timer on it for the fan. My wife will change the setting from auto to on and then forget about it. A day later I'll find its been running non-stop. As for this article, I have a Honeywell programmable thermostat with wifi and it works pretty well. Once in a while it looses the network connection but then reconnects before too long. I don't know if it the thermostat or router but it only happens once a month or so. I've been very pleased as we've been using less electric and propane. It has paid for itself many times over. I don't think I need the additional features of this though. Especially since I'm often at home or nearby and wouldn't want the a/c or heat to kick on.


RE: Not sure how this helps
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/10/2014 2:25:34 PM , Rating: 2
I know that my Nest has a fan control setting that you can schedule however you like. I'm sure that Lyric will have something similar.

Here's a screenshot of what my settings page is for the fan:

http://i62.tinypic.com/5bbpqr.jpg


RE: Not sure how this helps
By kamk44 on 6/10/2014 2:56:49 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting but what happens if someone manually turns on the fan overriding the schedule? Will it shut off after a while? If for instance it is hot in the kitchen while she is baking but the rest of the house is cool enough she will turn on the fan and forget to turn it off later. We have a newer house and the fan is so quiet it's easy to forget its on.


RE: Not sure how this helps
By kattanna on 6/10/2014 4:26:53 PM , Rating: 2
there isnt really an option to turn on the fan like with other thermostats, where you can flip a simple switch

you have to go into the thermostat, and set a timer, default 15 minutes, to activate just the fan


I will stick with my Nest
By BillyBatson on 6/10/2014 2:41:32 PM , Rating: 2
I don't get it Honeywell already had its Nest competing products, why did they have to go copy its design as well?




RE: I will stick with my Nest
By kamk44 on 6/10/2014 3:03:39 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe they are trying to reassert their "ownership" of the round design. Interesting how they regarded the round design as theirs but failed to see how it could be used in a modern thermostat until someone else did it first. The Nest gave them a jolt and caused a bit of scrambling to get their own design out, which is not necessarily a bad thing. To their credit I do think this one is different enough from the Nest so that it is not a blatent copy.


RE: I will stick with my Nest
By sprockkets on 6/10/2014 9:44:11 PM , Rating: 2
Honeywell had a round programmable thermostat as well many years ago that was controlled by the outer ring, and not just the inner one.


RE: I will stick with my Nest
By BillyBatson on 6/11/2014 12:54:32 PM , Rating: 2
a bit of scrambling? Nest has been out for 4 years and Honeywell has released several competing products in that time that weren't round, they definitely weren't in a hurry or scrambling. Perhaps they think with a round design they can slow down the sales of Nest or confuse some of the less informed customers to buy their product.


stuff
By Fanatical Meat on 6/10/2014 11:29:40 AM , Rating: 2
I love the idea of a nest or this I just can't justify the expense. Programming a thermostat is not that difficult, at least the newer ones so I don't think there would be any real energy savings for me. What I like is the style and some of the added features but I like that about $100 maybe $150 of cost.




Tado
By saarek on 6/10/2014 11:54:18 AM , Rating: 2
Article ignores the Tado Thermostat, most of the top features mentioned in this article were implemented years ago by Tado.




It's a little expensive...
By macmuchmore on 6/11/2014 10:23:23 AM , Rating: 2
Would have been nice if it came in as less than or equal in cost to the Nest...




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